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WhatsApp Co-Founder Tells Everyone To Delete Facebook, Further Fueling the #DeleteFacebook Movement (theverge.com)

"In 2014, Facebook bought WhatsApp for $16 billion, making its co-founders -- Jan Koum and Brian Acton -- very wealthy men," reports The Verge. "Koum continues to lead the company, but Acton quit earlier this year to start his own foundation." Today, Acton told his followers on Twitter to delete Facebook. From the report: "It is time," Acton wrote, adding the hashtag #deletefacebook. Acton, who is worth $6.5 billion, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Nor did Facebook and WhatsApp. It was unclear whether Acton's feelings about Facebook extend to his own app. But last month, Acton invested $50 million into Signal, an independent alternative to WhatsApp. The tweet came after a bruising five-day period for Facebook that has seen regulators swarm and its stock price plunge following concerns over data privacy in the wake of revelations about Cambridge Analytica's misuse of user data. Acton isn't the only one taking to Twitter to announce their breakup with Facebook. The #DeleteFacebook movement is gaining steam following the New York Times' report about how the data of 50 million users had been unknowingly leaked and purchased to aid President Trump's successful 2016 bid for the presidency. For many users, the news "highlighted the danger of Facebook housing the personal information of billions of users," reports SFGate. "And even before the Cambridge Analytica news, Facebook has been grappling with its waning popularity in the U.S. The company lost 1 million domestic users last quarter -- its first quarterly drop in daily users."

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  1. Well... by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's never to late to act sensibly.

  2. #idontwantsocialmedia by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a new tag: #idontwantsocialmedia. Now I am going to post this tag everywhere!

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    1. Re:#idontwantsocialmedia by HalAtWork · · Score: 2

      Makes sense, I prefer to socialize directly, not through some weird online broker that tries to insert unrelated noise regurgitated from some pop culture zeitgeist repository

  3. The only way to actually "delete Facebook" is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...to get yourself hard-banned.

    So that they do not want you in their graph data set anymore. So that your are poison to their data and "community"!

    Which is surprisingly easy: Just give yourself an offensive fake name, and change as much of your profile as you can to fake offensive shit.
    They will then ban you, block your profile, and demand that you prove that your fake name is real with personal documents that they would never ever get, even if your name was real. Like a copy of your passport, or personal bank statements or utility invoices. So you can’t go back, even if you wanted. And they can' use your profile like that.

    And other "deleting" will still result in a continuing shadow profile.

    If you live in the EU, remember that you have a right to get ALL data they have about you. Make sure you get that if you want it, before doing the changes.

  4. Facebook's business model? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is ridiculous:

    the data of 50 million users had been unknowingly leaked and purchased to aid President Trump

    Facebook's business is *knowingly* providing access to those data. The only reason Cambridge Analytica was dinged was because Facebook didn't get their cut.

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    1. Re:Facebook's business model? by sinij · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not even that. FB is under attack because wrong-thinking people used its capabilities.

    2. Re:Facebook's business model? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well it's not quite that simple. Whether it's because of explicit terms of service or it's users making assumptions, people had some expectations of how the data that they'd given to Facebook would be shared. Cambridge Analytica "got dinged" because they mislead people by claiming they were performing academic research and because they violated Facebook's terms of service.

      Also because their behavior was unethical and disturbing in any case. It doesn't help that they'd been approached by Putin's stooges to influence American elections, and then went to work on the Trump campaign, thereby creating yet another suspicious tie between Trump and Putin.

    3. Re:Facebook's business model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not even that. FB is under attack because wrong-thinking people used its capabilities.

      You mean like when Obama's campaign was doing the same thing? This is nothing new... when something is free to you, you're the product for sale.

    4. Re:Facebook's business model? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      purchased to aid President Trump's successful 2016 bid for the presidency

      This is somewhat easy to misconstrue. Most people will take that as the data was used in the general election, when according to this story:

      “In late September 2016, Cambridge and other data vendors were submitting bids to the Trump campaign. Then-candidate Trump’s campaign used Cambridge Analytica during the primaries and in the summer because it was never certain the Republican National Committee would be a willing, cooperative partner. Cambridge Analytica instead was a hedge against the RNC, in case it wouldn’t share its data.

      The crucial decision was made in late September or early October when Mr. Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and Brad Parscale, Mr. Trump’s digital guru on the 2016 campaign, decided to utilize just the RNC data for the general election and used nothing from that point from Cambridge Analytica or any other data vendor. The Trump campaign had tested the RNC data, and it proved to be vastly more accurate than Cambridge Analytica’s, and when it was clear the RNC would be a willing partner, Mr. Trump’s campaign was able to rely solely on the RNC. “

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    5. Re:Facebook's business model? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Informative
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    6. Re:Facebook's business model? by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Allegedly, in addition to misusing the data Facebook had knowingly provided (albeit under false pretenses of academic research), Cambridge Analytica also went above and beyond the accepted methods of acquiring the profile data using techniques that are skating a thin line between whether they are actually legal or not. Facebook was quite right to ding them. Political partisanship aide (yes, Obama did it too, and FWIW I found that usage rather disturbing as well, although the techniques used now seem to be on a whole other level), it's absolutely unethical and if not squashed now then you can bet that $party_you_dont_approve_of will using it come the next election.

      Psychologically, that angle is also rather interesting - people don't like admitting they were scammed / maniupulated, and often get overly defensive as a method of coping with the subconcious knowledge that it has probably happened to them - it's one of the classic stages of acceptance. The reality is that advertisers, politicians, and other shills do this to us Every. Single. Day. and if you step back from the political partisanship it's pretty clear that a lot of voters on all sides got manipulated and had their well-targetted buttons pushed in the US election, the Brexit referendum, and several other elections Cambridge Analytica was supposedly involved in. Do we *really* want to leave that tool in their box unchecked, and continuing to become more and more effective?

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    7. Re:Facebook's business model? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      But that makes for good headlines, doesn't it? As if Zuckerberg would ever have done anything willfully to support Trump. The idea is beyond absurd. The FB newsfeed favors liberal media by a landslide, citing chiefly CNN, HuffPo, NYT, and WaPo.

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    8. Re:Facebook's business model? by syn3rg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think he was referring to the reactions over who used the data, not that is was used:
      A former [Obama] campaign director, Carol Davidsen, tweeted that "Facebook was surprised we were able to suck out the whole social graph, but they didn't stop us once they realized that was what we were doing."

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  5. Not really deleted :sadpanda: by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 2

    Delete all you want but FB still retains all the information you shared.

  6. Forbes has a better analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2018/03/19/the-problem-isnt-cambridge-analytica-its-facebook/#385336e658a5

    The problem isn't Cambridge Analytics. Obama's campaign was much worse about digital snooping. (Getting DVR viewing history? Seriously?)

    But neither of them has abused their power nearly as much as has Facebook internally. The part about FB researching depressed early teen Australians for advertising purposes is probably just one of many extreme examples.

    Time for FB / Google / Amazon to be broken up using the old trust busting laws.

  7. What about the other side doing the same? by RabidDawg · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:What about the other side doing the same? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What do you mean, "the other side doing the same"? What is the same about it? From your own link:

      In 2012, the Obama campaign encouraged supporters to download an Obama 2012 Facebook app that, when activated, let the campaign collect Facebook data both on users and their friends.

      According to a July 2012 MIT Technology Review article, when you installed the app, "it said it would grab information about my friends: their birth dates, locations, and 'likes.' "

      So your complaint is that, as opposed to a firm that hid their true intent and then used that data for other purposes, Obama got his info from an Obama branded app that explicitly stated what info it would be gathering? Oh yes, tottally the same thing. Just like when I asked my buddy if I could borrow a $10, it was exactly the same thing as mugging him and taking his wallet, right?

      And then the article talks about

      More important, the campaign could deliver carefully targeted campaign messages disguised as messages from friends to millions of Facebook users

      but then says

      the team blitzed the supporters who had signed up for the app with requests to share specific online content with specific friends simply by clicking a button.

      . So the messages might have been sent by the campaign, but it was the people's friends that specifically took the action to authorized sending on their behalf.

      The only difference, as far as we can discern, between the two campaigns' use of Facebook, is that in the case of Obama the users themselves agreed to share their data with the Obama campaign, as well as that of their friends.

      The users that downloaded the Cambridge app, meanwhile, were only told that the information would be used for academic purposes. Nor was the data to be used for anything other than academic purposes.

      Yeah, so the only difference between them is the HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE WHICH INVALIDATES THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT. But yeah, other than that....

      +4 Insightful, my ass

  8. Facebook-free by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I deleted my Facebook account back in the beginning of November 2017. I am now 120 days free from the bullshit! There is no way I will ever go back. I hope more people join the movement to delete Facebook and lead richer, fuller lives.

    1. Re:Facebook-free by monkeyxpress · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since about 2-3 years ago I stopped using Facebook for personal stuff and now just post carefully curated things on it. I basically treat it as a public profile, so that if recruiters/customers etc go snooping for me they can have a look at some photos of my dog and see that I go on holiday every now and again. Pretty much like another linked-in.

      Most other people I know do the same. We've moved family and friend groups to other networks, or just use email.

      Does anyone actually share their life honestly on Facebook anymore? I don't even get many original posts from 'friends' now as my feed is always clogged up with adverts and viral videos. Personally I think the whole platform has jumped the shark, but will survive because lazy HR directors want to review job candidate's social media accounts instead of doing proper interviews.

    2. Re:Facebook-free by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I never bother deleting it. You can also just stop using it.

      The biggest problem with Facebook, is the attempt to try to show that your life is a success, while others are doing the same thing. So you just kinda see things from peoples good day. I got promoted today! (While they are still underpaid for their skills). Look at my new apartment! (because I got evicted from the old one). Look at my New Car! (The last one was in a wreck). Look at my world travels (You are in the military, on shore leave and about to be redeployed or you job is throwing you across the world and that picture is the only site seeing you are doing before locking yourself in an office for the rest of the day)

      That and you see a combined posting of hundreds of people at least one of them is having a good day, so you feel like your few good days a year is somehow worse then others.

      In many ways Facebook has stopped us from growing up, we are reminded on a daily bases of all your inadequacies of your childhood.

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    3. Re:Facebook-free by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Trouble with deleting your profile is that somebody can trivially impersonate you by creating a new profile in your name.

      Your shadow profile still exists too... everyone who has you in their contacts likely uploaded your phone number, email and possibly home address, your face is in people’s photos, the exif data puts you at specific places at specific times, etc.

      All your old measages still exist in the profiles of the people you communicated with. Your social media footprint is still in their database.

      Better to keep the profile and lose your login.

  9. Deleting Facebook.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    WhatsApp Co-Founder Tells Everyone To Delete Facebook

    Friend of mine proudly told me one day that he deleted Facebook, but to my great disappointment, the next day I was still able to ping it.

    I hope someone manages it though.

  10. We know that already by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But people who know they should #delete FB don't have FB in the first place.

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  11. So: by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So:

    "We sold you all out to them years ago, including all your data, for money to become billionaires. Now we are telling you that you shouldn't ever give them your data and should delete your account with them immediately."

    Tell me a) why I should listen to you, b) how you think this makes you the hero?

  12. Let me guess by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    I deleted my Facebook account back in the beginning of November 2017. I am now 120 days free from the bullshit! There is no way I will ever go back. I hope more people join the movement to delete Facebook and lead richer, fuller lives.

    Let me guess. You still have a Twitter account though. At worst Facebook is super annoying, but you can make a case that Twitter is actually doing real harm to human society, yet which of the two do you still probably have? Yeah.

  13. Yes, Signal is open source. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, Signal is open source:

    "Free for everyone. Signal is made for you. As an Open Source project supported by grants and donations, Signal can put users first. There are no ads, no affiliate marketers, no creepy tracking. Just open technology for a fast, simple, and secure messaging experience. The way it should be."

    Works with Android, iPhone, Linux, and Windows.

    "Stay private. Signal messages and calls are always end-to-end encrypted and painstakingly engineered to keep your communication safe. We can't read your messages or see your calls, and no one else can either."

  14. Hashtag progression by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 2

    #DeleteFacebook
    Ok
    #DeleteWhatsapp
    Ok
    #DeleteTwitter
    Ok
    #DeleteInternetAccess
    ?!? No Twitter account
    cat "#DeleteInternetAccess" >/dev/lpt
    Ok

  15. Re:It's dying anyway by StikyPad · · Score: 2

    I think you've got it backwards, as far as voting. Turnout rates are pretty much directly proportional to age.
    https://media.npr.org/assets/i...
    https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16...

  16. Re:The only way to actually "delete Facebook" is.. by Spamalope · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes! Poisoning the database is the best way.

    Won't someone make a plugin that peer to peer shares your advertising stalking cookies to randomize them? It'd be tougher for them to filter out genuine cookies to keep the poison out. For bonus points report that it's being done 6 months to a year later. Later publicly ask whether they're disclosing this or get quotes for an ad buy to see.

  17. Re: A Billionaire from a Chatting App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MAC addresses don't go very far in network protocols. The only way facebook can get it is if an app has slurped it up and sent it as part of the tracking data. Are apps doing this?! The person above was using a browser. Do browser APIs allow this? I hope not.

  18. Re:What does Facebook offer? by gnick · · Score: 2

    ...it just offers a way for people to pretend having an enviable life.

    I use FB to discuss interesting topics with interesting people. It's like Slashdot, only without the trolls and adults act like adults. FB, except for the ads, is entirely what you make of it. I see posts that interest me because of the sources I follow. (CNN, CNN International, and BBC News are a few.) The responses to the posts I share are civil even in disagreement because I'm discussing topics with friends. One of my high-school friends is a huge DJT supporter; I'm very much a critic. I call DJT a liar; my friend calls DJT a visionary; we defend our stances and disagree; and then we play Words With Friends. On /., it's hard to mention DJT, CNN, or FB without calling forth name-calling idiots. If your FB feed is full of pics of people sharing their dinners or whining like children, that's entirely your fault. The only real drawback to discussing topics on FB instead of Slashdot (apart from getting mined) is that we tend to stray wildly off-topic.

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  19. Another company ruined by Trump... by mi · · Score: 3, Funny

    New York Times' report about how the data of 50 million users had been unknowingly leaked and purchased to aid President Trump's successful 2016 bid for the presidency

    See, how Trump destroyed the innocent company? In 2012 Obama's campaign did the same thing with Facebook data about millions of users, and it was all fine — a testament to Obama's genius, in fact.

    Had Hillary won, Facebook would've been just peachy as well. Damn Trump!! #Impeach!!

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  20. Why are people shocked? by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    Why is this even a story? It's the stated purpose of these companies to sell your information. Eric Schmidt even stated "Google isn't free, the cost is your information".
    It's simple, keep your personal information... personal.
    To all you sheep who purchased Alexa, google home, or Nest.... do you really believe these things are not sending your personal behavior out to be sold, scrutinized, and monetized...
    Do you know there's a HIPAA waiver you release when you accept the ELUA of FitBit or Apple smartwatch?
    Come one people... think.

  21. About time by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    It's taking longer than I expected for Facebook to go the way of MySpace, but it looks like it's finally going to happen. Remember, on Facebook, the product they are selling is your personal data! Google, on the other hand, is advertising supported.

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  22. Facebook alternatives by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

    Lots of people (like me) hate FaceBook because of the business model. But we must understand that FaceBook is a useful service. So any discussion about #DeleteFacebook needs to propose an alternative. The problem is that, in order to get around the "advertiser pays" model, people must be willing to accept some other model. Possibilities are a pay service, or a service where you host the data yourself and control it. The latter has been the way the web worked for decades. My friends and I all had "home pages" on our "web sites." There have been alternatives before, like Diaspora but none have gained critical mass. Oh wait look! Here's a list of them: Distributed social networking.

    At the risk of making this a rant: Internet users today seem to have no concept that "web sites" are anything other than things that corporations buy. Some of those nice corporations let you put stuff on those sites, either for a fee or in exchange for intrusive monitoring. That's not how the web works. I've had my own web site for 20 years, and it costs me about $5/month. This idea that we should have our email addresses all at sites that record, monitor, and sell our emails is preposterous. Back in 1998, many of us predicted that everyone would have their own server in their home that ran their web site. And there would be standard protocols for exchanging social information, running something like OwnCloud. I don't know why that model changed. Is the FaceBook backlash enough to get us back onto that model?

  23. Re:Show me a good FB replacement... by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    I had a FB account for about 2 months back in 2008 or 9. Then I saw photos one one of my inebriated classmates from a party that had happened over the weekend and the potential for self destruction hit me like a ton of bricks. I figured that potential employers were going to start scraping that stuff and all it takes is a couple dumb pictures to cost you a job. I went through all photos tagged with my name (no, none of that type) and untagged them, then deleted my account and never considered going back.

  24. Re: A Billionaire from a Chatting App by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    You don't realize that MAC addresses don't go past layer-3 routers.

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  25. Follow the money by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    So, they used Facebook data to help Trump win, making facebook and its owner look like idiots at best and Trump/Russian supporters at worst, making the owner toxic to run himself.

    That has to be some kind of record in political efficiency.

    Anyway, follow the money. Someone is selling FB short.

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  26. Goodbye, Facebook by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    ..and nothing of value was lost.

  27. Re:Show me a good FB replacement... by mark_reh · · Score: 2

    No one is going to say to you "you didn't get the job because of photos of you wearing a dress on FB". You'll never know why you didn't get that job, you just won't get it. Your attitude is fine as long as your parents have a basement you can live in, but if you need a job to eat and pay your bills and other things that adults do, you'll take what you can get, good company or not.

  28. This is the earliest he could act by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    4 years ago he sold his company to FB. Which means he's been waiting 4 years to finish collecting those billions/unloading the FB stock he got. Now that he's no longer financially/contractually tied to FB, he's speaking his mind.

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