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Nearly a Third of Tech Workers Are Ready To #DeleteFacebook (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from BetaNews: A survey conducted in the wake of the #DeleteFacebook campaign that followed revelations about the data breach and the logging of Android users' calls and texts, found that a surprising number of tech workers were ready to delete their Facebook accounts. 31 percent backed the #DeleteFacebook campaign, including 50 percent of Microsoft workers, and 38 percent of Google workers. The survey -- conducted using the anonymous app Blind -- found that nearly a third of those questioned were planning to delete their Facebook accounts. In all, over 2,600 people were surveyed between March 20, 2018 and March 24, 2018, so it neatly took in the peak of the controversy. Broken down by company, the numbers make for interesting reading:
-50 percent of Microsoft employees said they will delete Facebook.
-46 percent of Snapchat employees said they would delete Facebook.
-40 percent of Uber employees said they would delete Facebook.
-38 percent of Google employees said they would delete Facebook.
-34 percent of Amazon employees said they would delete Facebook.
-2 percent of Facebook employees said they would delete Facebook.
-50 percent of Microsoft employees said they will delete Facebook.
-46 percent of Snapchat employees said they would delete Facebook.
-40 percent of Uber employees said they would delete Facebook.
-38 percent of Google employees said they would delete Facebook.
-34 percent of Amazon employees said they would delete Facebook.
-2 percent of Facebook employees said they would delete Facebook.
and you haven't deleted Facebook already, you're behind the curve I'm afraid.
You KNOW what they're doing. Why are you still there ?
30% of #FACEBOOKCOMPETITOR employees say they would delete Facebook. [Until their boss leaves and they whisper 'no I wouldn't ever.']
Saying you'll delete your Facebook account is one thing. Doing it is another. Especially in the tech industry where if you're not on at least half a dozen anti-social media sites, people will think there's something wrong with you.
Until these people actually delete their accounts, it's all talk.
There is an old proverb:
There are 5 frogs on a log.
2 of them decide to jump into the water.
How many frogs remain on the log?
The answer is 5. As deciding to do something is not the same as doing something.
31% are ready to do it. But that 31% hasn't yet. What is holding them back?
What is the big outrage here? Did everyone not see that screen when you installed the app asking for permission to access every single area of your phone? Why did you think it needed access to the microphone or your contacts? You 100% gave permission for this.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
You either delete it or you don't. This is like people who are going to start going to the gym "next week."
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
People never follow through with these boycotts. In the end everyone will be too lazy, too undisciplined or the benefits will still outweight the disadvantages to actually delete their accounts, or they never had one in the first place. Especially when the whole thing is anonymous and nobody can call them on it.
It's nothing but virtue signalling, just like this whole campaign.
Tom is ready to welcome me back.
When competitors talk of doing something to another brand its all for the users privacy.
How much did social media profit from your workers use of social media while at work over the years?
Why did you allow your workers to risk company security by using social media at work?
Who in your company thought it would be ok for social media to track your workers habits and sell that data about your company to anyone with cash?
Time to stop using other brands social media at work. Create your own networks that are safe and help your company be more productive.
Social media is a brand that is using your workers for its profits on your time. Your company networks are paying for social media to profit from your workers.
Time to stop social media selling data about your company and the inner workings of your company.
Secure your company. Block social media and start protecting your brand.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Every day, Mark Zuckerberg is chained to the side of a large data center.
Every day, an eagle comes to eat his liver, and then deletes its Facebook
Took one look when it started. Figured, "fuck that noise" and carried on without.
Everything OK so far. Never missed it. Have other ways to interact with friends.
How else could I automatically log in to sites for comments, while making sure that the junk that that will elicit will end up in the black hole that is my Facebook account, which, otherwise, I couldn't care less about? I need my Facebook account as a trash dump.
Everybody's known for years that FB harvests data. Thats their whole reason for existing. But only now that Trump allegedly benefited from it does it become a problem. Even though almost the same thing happened before on a more direct and larger scale in previous elections.
Do a google image search for "boycott mw2" sometime. It's the punchline to a very funny joke.
How can I delete something I never had?
Have gnu, will travel.
Already did 6 months ago
All the people jumping on the bandwagon because it's trendy will just end up joining some other social-media platform that does the exact same stuff. They want their social-media stuff, they're not going to drop that stuff out of their lives entirely; they'll just find some other platform and continue business as usual, never having actually learned the lesson here.
Welcome to the world of ASCII PowerPoint.
Its All social media that needs to be deleted.
i would blacklist facebook's domains from the internet, have the police confiscate all of facebook's computers & data servers, remove all the harddrives and run them through shredders, all of facebook's employees would have their homes searched if there was even a chance they could have users personal info, and if they do have any they would be arrested for identity theft or conspiracy to commit identity theft, i would have the courts play really hard on this because people's personal info is not to be played with like a commodity
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
If most people who understand tech are like me, you never thought commercial social networks were a good idea, you joined them only reluctantly because lots of other people were on them and you needed them for business purposes, and you still have really mixed feelings about them.
However, the average person is eager to give away their privacy and can't be bothered to assure their own security.
So, aren't we kidding ourselves to think that anyone but us is going to delete Facebook?
Bruce Perens.
> -50 percent of Microsoft employees said they will delete Facebook
-50? We have either an arithmetic error or a punctuation flaw
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
told by their current employer to say they would delete facebook???
Now can we figure out how to make Facebook delete the information they're keeping about me, without my consent? I have no FB account to delete.
>2 percent of Facebook employees said they would delete Facebook.
And the Facebook Blackguard have already traced their IPs, determined their identities, and begun filling out their pink slips.
”40 percent of Uber employees said they would delete Facebook.”
Although, in that particular case, the complaint was Facebook isn’t evil enough for their tastes.
#DeleteChrome
Because Zuckerberg was and is an untrustworthy and pompous douchebag who came right out and said that people who trusted him were "dumb shits". Of course, he claims to regret saying that now, but I think that what he really means is that he regrets telling the truth in a rare moment of unguarded honesty. For me any benefit of Facebook is far outweighed by the costs and I suspect that that would be true for most people if they honestly sat down and thought about it carefully. If you use Facebook then you have NO privacy . Full stop. If you like what it is that you think you get from Facebook and don't mind living a completely public and transparent life then by all means keeping using Facebook, but I for one have never used and will never use Facebook. Although, I must confess that I'm definitely deriving some schadenfreude here from this whole affair and look forward to Facebook becoming less popular and people waking up to the tremendous loss of privacy involved with using Facebook and in recent years the continuing degradation of private life in general. Like the band once sang, sometimes you "Don't know what you got till it's gone." Well, if you use Facebook your privacy is gone and nobody should now have any illusions about that now.
Don't say you're GOING to delete Facebook; just DO IT.
I don't need to "delete" Facebook. I use Facebook for only one purpose; some of the blogs I follow use Facebook for their comments. I logged into Facebook a few days ago (I had to look up my password to do that....) and followed the "Download Everything from Facebook" procedure. Seriously, there's almost nothing there. An empty Profile, no games, no pictures, and the only messages were the ones I posted to the various blogs. Nothing that I wouldn't post openly.
Part of that is that I've never opened the Facebook apps on my phones or tablets.
If you're a big Facebook user, go back to email, or start a blog, or do something more constructive with your life.
How surprised are you that FB has been caught abusing your data? ... (my boss, my spouse, the fuzz, ...)
A: Hasn't FB always been doing this?
B: Shit! My data is logged and is possibly available to
C: Is Facebook going down? I mean I need my FB apps!!
D: Cowboy Neal read me the fine print, and I'm sure everything is on the up and up.
Time will tell.
I have an account.
I set it up after pestering from one of my classmates in grad school to bulk up numbers for a group for our program.
Years later, after they had opened it up, and it wasn't just for '.edu' addresses, one of my friends mentions it, and how great it is. So I casually mentioned that I had an account.
And the next time I see him, he insisted that I didn't, because he searched for me. I explained that's because I didn't put my last name on it (as there are less than a dozen in the US with it, and I had a stalker during undergrad), so he'd have to search by e-mail.
The next time I see him, he said he looked. So I reminded him that I got it back when you had to have a '.edu' address.
The next time, I see him he said he looked ... and I reminded him that no, I got fired from that university, and they forced me to change e-mail addresses (I pissed off management when I was a sysadmin, so they locked the account I had gotten 10 years before in undergrad, but had to give me a new one as I was still taking classes)
Again, he complains that it's not there. I asked him if he remembered that I said I got it during grad school, which was at a different school.
And that night, I get an email about a friend request. I logged in, friended his wife, his brother-in-law, and an ex (a mutual friend) ... and not him.
I logged in the next day to see that they had all been accepted.
I haven't logged in since.
I thought about deleting it when they changed their privacy policy a decade or so ago, but I suspected that I'd have to agree to the new policy to get in there far enough to delete the account ... so they have my first name, last initial, where I went to grad school, and potentially a few people that I know.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Deleting your facebook account is easy for people with no friends.
Half the world are idiots. Except Germany. No idiots there at all. So I'm told. By Germans. And I ALMOST believe them.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/...
(2004)
#DeleteFacebook
I tried to delete Facebook, but I'm having trouble hacking in and remote wiping the whole deal. Any ideas?
I guess a symbolic gesture, if you need or want to keep using FB, would be to Block Mark Zuckerberg... If enough people do it, it might get noticed.
I had a sucky sig.
There are many other companies doing the same thing they just haven't been caught. Everyone knows this has been occurring across the board for some time, why is it only now that its a big deal?
and experian while you're at it.
You'll have about the same success. You think they'll just forget about you? I never had a FB account...that I can log into, that is. Doesn't mean much about what they've got on ya. Heck, they even put together adopted kids with parents when one or both don't have accounts, and some friend noticed....and outed some sex workers as having two accounts, one under a pseudonym. I laugh at puny efforts in the face of that.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
The mass surveillance machine is still running. Every major company is completely integrated into the drag net, and of course every government agency is.
Basically, EVERY major institution is spying on you in the same exact way toward the same exact end.
Most smaller companies are well integrated too, on the basis of their use of major company's software products, and where there are gaps, they just leave their customer's data in AWS or what have you, as we keep seeing stories about.
Obviously the media machine is trying to scuttle their Facebook, my guess is that it's becoming too much of a liability with the free speech it enables, despite the rampant censorship. Anti-Facebook stories are being pushed is rapid succession, not just on Slashdot.
Basically a hideous leviathan is being crafted.
Mass surveillance provides fodder for algorithms which program the media (which is extremely consolidated and controlled from the top down) which program the people addicted to media stimulation (everyone who doesn't know about the massive conspiracy (try not to be so triggered by that word)).
Meanwhile no one wants to believe that the whole political charade is what it is: completely false, orchestrated every step of the way to divide the population, and no one wants to believe the levels of conspiracy binding every semi-popular media outlet together with the surveillance program the government controls.
TL;DR the "deep state" is almost every media outlet, every major company, every government agency, and almost every politician, all headed by the central bank and its members pulling the strings with the hideous top-down power they have over the markets.
TL;DR END THE FUCKING FED and watch the bottom fall out of this living hell.
They didn't think it would help Trump get elected in 2016, unlike in 2012, where it helped out Obama. Deleting Facebook is about hating Trump.
It'll suck at first, but I'll live.
If I never signed up to join facebook at all?
Now I can't join the party and delete my account in a fit of revenge!!!
People hate to see domestic jobs being outsourced overseas, but they still do business with companies that do just that.
People hate climate change, but they still buy fossil-fuel cars.
People hate Facebook, but they still come up with a thousand excuses to still use it.
Why ? Because in every case, they peronnaly profit from it.
People are whores.
What percentage of the nation's roofers are prepared to delete their Facebook account? And are you professional shit shovellers planning to do your part to punish Facebook for being Facebook?!
31% are ready to do it. But that 31% hasn't yet. What is holding them back?
Possibly the fact that they haven't actually decided to do it but as still thinking about it? Deciding to do something might not be the same as doing it but it does mean that you are definitely going to do it. If not then you have not really decided anything and are still considering your options.
And advertising company - and that's what Facebook is - makes money from selling ads, and makes more money from selling demographic information to its advertisers. And grass is green, the sky is blue and water is wet.
Anybody who is in any way surprised by Facebook doing exactly what they were obviously created to do is a moron.
And let's see how many actually do!
That is all the matters: not what people say (they often will say what they think the surveyor wants to hear), but whether they follow through. And I doubt that many actually will.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
A link for those who may not have watched IT Crowd
https://youtu.be/6rNgCnY1lPg
You seem to have missed the points OP was making. Indeed, I'm wondering if you are even capable of grasping what is being said in the passage you picked out, because your post is a demonstration of how you apply "post hoc confirmation of your prior irrationally cynical bias and claiming it as proof that you weren't irrational". As was pointed out, it is no such proof. Your particular brand of "rational skepticism" is neither rational nor sceptical.
You are claiming that rational skepticism is something like, "I am assuming this is in my interests until proven otherwise".
That's just putting words into OP's mouth. The correct presumption is simply the null effect presumption. Nothing in OP's text suggests he is presuming anything more. OP is certainly not assuming having a FB account is "in [his] interests," (not even until proven otherwise). If he did, one presumes, he would have one.
You can keep getting "surprised" by predictable things as "shocking revelations" emerge later on, if you want.
The only "surprise" here is how easy FB made it for 3rd parties to gather up their data free of charge.
The major point of OP's post was that joining FB can be, a rational trade-off between privacy and utility . Surprise? Your personal information is the service cost and obviously FB (a for-profit company) needs to monetise that information. Hello?
According to OP's analysis, if you "place a high value on privacy" (whether on principle or because in practice you fell you have nothing to hide) and you don't "place a very high value on the service," you'd be less likely to have a FB account. Which is, of course, the reason we look for people without FB accounts when trying to identify terrorists and the like.
It's just as easy for people with friends, and family.
No, it really isn't. In fact, I can honestly say it's not only hard but actually impossible for me to delete my Facebook account since I have no idea how to delete something that doesn't exist. My family and most, if not all, my friends will have the same problem.
That telemetry is just as bad or worse than anything Facebook does.
100% of Apple employees don*t give out personal information like that.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
You can't delete Facebook. They are the ones who have the data. All you can do is close your account... And they still have your data. Nothing is deleted.
Those Facebook like icons you ser around the Web are all hosted on Facebook servers too.
This movement to delete Facebook is virtue signaling at its worst I fear.
It's not hurting Facebook any, they will continue to collect data about you from your browsing and through others. That data will still go to advertisers, only now you have zero control over what is stored, whereas if you have a Facebook account you can at least review and modify some of what it thinks about you.
It also cuts you off from people that may follow you on Facebook, that do not want to leave.
If you don't want to feed the beast, fine, just don't post on Facebook or read the timeline, just read any direct mentions or messages. But to think you are doing anything by deleting an account is just delusional.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Ready to? To quote a commonly-used phrase from a certain popular website, DO IT FAGGOT
From AC: I'd be less likely to hire someone who had a Facebook account.
I on the other hand refuse to work for people too stupid to figure out how to login to Slashdot, or alternately work at a company so dystopian they can't post a simple comment traceable back to them without getting fired.
It shows me that you are a narcissist
The fact that you think someone with a Facebook account, to which they may post a handful of times a year, is a narcissist only indicates you are an idiot. So I guess you are more of an AI than an AC.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I'm running Firefox Focus, and it's blocking twenty trackers on this Slashdot page!
#DeleteSlashdot
Next thing : Delete Google.
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The main takeaway from this story is that a whole lot of people are interested in no longer using Facebook, but only because of a (you guessed it) social media campaign on another platform started by a colossal jackass who created another horrible social media platform who made a gobsmacking pile of money selling it to (you guessed it) Facebook. I honestly can't tell who's more contemptible: Facebook, or the atrocious monsters who are its' users.
That'll cut out more than 2/3s of all the ignorant left-wing posts. So where's the downside?
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
Blind is an anonymous work talk app for tech employees. Blind users were surveyed and asked if they planned to delete Facebook by answering 'YES' or 'NO.'
So let me get this straight - an app designed for anonymity surveys its user base and the small percentage of its user base that responds reaffirms their belief in anonymity? Neat, but the results should be taken with a grain of salt / would not apply more generally to a greater population. i.e. This has no application to 1/3 of all tech workers as the clickbait headline suggests.
An improved headline would read: "Nearly a Third of Blind App Users Are Ready To #DeleteFacebook"
Google employees watn to delete Facebook? LOL! Delete Google! I've been weaning myself off it for a while now. Duck Duck Go for me - and use Google sparingly when necessary (no logins, Ghostery, delete cookies). Ok, it won't make me invisible to them - but seriously - fuck Google.
The primary benefit of a Facebook account is so that you own your name. You can set up your profile so it's clear that you are you. If you don't have a FB account, then you're leaving yourself open to someone motivated enough (e.g. work colleague who hates you, vindictive ex, etc.) to create a fake one in your name and fuck with it. If nothing else, you're putting your mark in the social media network. A small mark, but at least you can ensure it's clear that it's yours and not an impersonation you have no control over.
People on Slashdot really think they're smarter than they are. Do you really think having a Facebook account is entirely without merit?
I wonder how many of these people constantly saying they are ready to delete facebook actually WILL delete it... vs how many are just saying it in slacktivism or because it makes them think they look good/better somehow.
Ceterum autem censeo Librum facierum delendam esse
X% said they would delete. One day, maybe, if they get around to it, if they have the time. What % have deleted?
Has anyone deleted linkedin? I am considering it as I can't seem to find any value in it and they keep updating their TOS, which they just did again.
What I want to know is whether Zuckerberg and all of the rest of the FB execs have Facebook on their phones.
Akin to The Circle, while maybe not a box office smash, points out how the social network company execs love to have more people join and use their platforms, that often times they know so much about what is going on with the apps and the data that they choose not to participate themselves.
Being a cynic, however, seeing an active exec on the platform, I would likely assume they had two (or more) devices, one to give the impression they were fully behind the platform and the others to use when they powered down the infected device.
Or logged onto the site. Ever. What's it even good for? I stay in contact with everyone I need to via other methods and NO employer has ever even mentioned FB to me.
I did this a while ago. best thing ever. I got time back. I can now do things.
I did it when after one of those time when FB updated it's policies and published all my data public and left it up to me to go back and re-mark stuff private.
Just because you delete Facebook doesn't mean they will delete your info, it just means they will stop showing you your info.
50 percent of Microsoft employees said they will delete Facebook
100% of people with common sense will delete facebook. The rest of you deserve anything that happens.
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
What did I win?
-2 percent of Facebook employees said they would delete Facebook. I think we all know how this will end for them. I'm only doing the politically correct thing and sending Thoughts and Prayers.
I didn't like Facebook much even before the first scandals years ago, mainly because the social interaction between friends and family seemed so...high school in nature. Juvenile and puerile comments, unnecessary drama and annoying flash games were not something I was interested in participating in. I kept a profile only because it let me keep in touch with a few family members who had no other social media presence. After the Facebook Beacon scandal, I decided that keeping in touch with those people wasn't worth it. I carefully crafted a short message explaining my privacy concerns and reasons for deleting my profile and sent them to everyone I thought merited notice. Ironically, that set off a flame-fest where I got accused of spamming people. (ironic because most of the most vocal complainers were folks who had constantly filled my box with Farmville, Mafiawars and some Family Tree application spam...)
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>> 40 percent of Uber employees said they would delete Facebook.
Ha ha - the joke is on YOU! Uber doesn't have any employees because everyone is an independent contractor. What, you think they have full-time employees "working" at the office? Ha!
For the last 7 years I've used a fake name, uploaded 0 pics of me, disabled tagging, and marked all my posts as private by default. Oh look, it's the best and brightest here to tell us they want to delete Facebook!
Had no idea how bad FB was.
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#ButSetUpAFakeAccountOnce
Already done. 2.5+ years ago.
Amazed at how much time I got back.
Wish I'd done it sooner.
And no, I don't miss much. People from high school I don't want to talk to. Marketing from a hundred places I did casual businesses. Relatives I wish were more contained. Political activism that doesn't have a defined goal or success condition. General agitation and angst. I can't imagine my stress level if I was still mired in that shitshow.
I think not...(*poof*)
I wasnt prescient, I just never liked Facebook and it became useless long ago in my friends' circle.
I just finally got to doing something I should have done long ago.
I think the #DeleteFacebook movement is hilarious. Clicking the Delete button in Facebook achieves absolutely nothing.
Facebook already has your data and clicking the Delete Account button doesn't do anything other than remove you from a few public lists. I know this because I "deleted" my account back in 2010. Over the years I received several warning emails from Facebook that someone had been trying to login to my account and that I should login to change my password. I logged in with my old credentials recently and everything was still there as it was.
#DeleteFacebook is a typical modern knee-jerk reaction that makes you feel good at the time but doesn't achieve anything worth a damn.
Yeah, and they also have metadata indicating that 100% of what they've collected on me came from tertiary sources (after they've ignored me not having an account, hardly anyone in my family having an account, and my browser having every privacy extension known to man).
Doesn't smell a whole lot like consent, does it? Not even by the imagined 18-year-old male "no means maybe, and maybe means yes" standard of consent.
I don't block all this shit to prevent tracking. Good grief, I read The Puzzle Palace back in 1982 while you could still smell the ink drying and like they say in cryptography (attacks only get better), in practical terms, surveillance only ever collects more. This was obvious in the eighties already.
I block primary and secondary collection strategies so that the commercial parties collecting this information about me can't for a moment pretend I was nodding my head while they did it.
Yeah, I know you're doing it, by increasingly more strenuous methods, and I'm not on board.
Blocking primary and secondary collection is fundamentally a speech act.
Zuckerberg apologist: "Blah, blah, blah none of the users seem to mind."
Me: "Oh, yeah? 70% of everything you collected about me is based on user-agent fingerprinting my web activities based on a browser extension list top-heavy in surveillance blockers. I mind a lot, and your collected dossier on me basically screams that message."
The exception would be that Facebook has painstakingly whitewashed their own metadata, in a bizarrely ironic act of plausible-denial QED.
"Of course we don't have your middle finger on file, and we know that for certain because we've got this sophisticated, hand-crafted algorithm to precisely erase any trace of a collection-M.O. middle finger."
So now look at which side has No Way Out .
I mean all of a sudden everyone is like all hurt because Face book is 'spying'. Is there anyone who did not realize that facebook was spying just as Google, Slashdot, Instagram, and ever other web 2.0 company for the past 10 years.
I never understood the herd mentality that caused everyone to jump on the Facey book band wagon. Now I don't understand the herd mentality that is causing everyone to jump off.
I have asserted my superiority to you common folk. I will get off the internet now.
Long live USENET the only social network that does not involve spying
WHEREAS: Only a tight group of wingnuts on either side have disproportionate power because elections are won at the margins, nobody cares about the 90% in the middle.
WHEREAS: Social media will be used to motivate those 10% who really matter, first to enrage them, then to engage them.
THEREFORE: If ALL the tech workers run away, then who owns the field?
As a data miner, I found the human side of this story as explained in Wired, January 2018 worth having a paper copy for, just so I can roll it up and use it to beat some sense into my politicians.
"There is no god but allah" - well, they got it half right.
...I'm thinking it might be a good thing from which to withdraw.
If the recent CA scandal caused you to delete Facebook, then you are truly an idiot and don't belong working in tech.
Facebook's business model has been the same for years. How the hell did you think they made enough money to be valued as a top 10 U.S. company? If you truly are the techie you think you are, you should have understood what that meant from the get-go and, if it didn't deter you from using their services, you should have taken what steps you felt necessary to protect your privacy.
But, to say that you were blissfully unaware of what Facebook was doing -- to the point that you feel betrayed and want to quit -- means you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
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