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Ask Slashdot: What Would Happen If Everything On the Internet Was DRM Protected?

dryriver writes: The whole Digital Rights Management (DRM) train started with music and films, spread horribly to computer and console games (Steam, Origin), turned a lot of computer software you could once buy-and-use into DRM-locked Software As A Service or Cloud Computing products (Adobe, Autodesk, MS Office 365 for example) that are impossible to use without an active Internet connection and account registration on a cloud service somewhere. Recently the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) appears to have paved the way for DRM to find its way into the world of Internet content in various forms as well. Here's the question: What would happen to the Internet as we know it if just about everything on a website -- text, images, audio, video, scripts, games, PDF documents, downloadable files and data, you name it -- had DRM protection and DRM usage-limitations hooked into it by default?

Imagine trying to save a JPEG image you see on a website to your harddisk, and not only does every single one of your web browsers refuse the request, but your OS's screen-capture function won't let you take a snapshot of that JPEG image either. Imagine trying to copy-and-paste some text from a news article somewhere into a Slashdot submission box, and having browser DRM tell you 'Sorry! The author, copyright holder or publisher of this text does not allow it to be quoted or re-published anywhere other than where it was originally published!'. And then there is the (micro-)payments aspect of DRM. What if the DRM-fest that the future Internet may become 5 to 10 years from now requires you to make payments to a copyright holder for quoting, excerpting or re-publishing anything of theirs on your own webpage? Lets say for example that you found some cool behind-the-scenes-video of how Spiderman 8 was filmed, and you want to put that on your Internet blog. Except that this video is DRM'd, and requires you to pay 0.1 Cent each time someone watches the video on your blog. Or you want to use a short excerpt from a new scifi book on your blog, and the same thing happens -- you need to pay to re-publish even 4 paragraphs of the book. What then?

190 comments

  1. The government and business wins? by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    That would be my first thought.

    1. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way is this a win for government?

    2. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM NSA backdoor baby. You must be new here.

    3. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you mean the spooks win. No, I just assume the NSA has so many backdoors already they won't really benefit much from whatever additional monitoring possibilities DRM offers. In that sense, the spooks have already won.

    4. Re:The government and business wins? by rally2xs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope, nobody wins because the internet would be effectively unusable. We'd all have to go back to the library for our information. Nobody would have enough money to pay the bastards whatever they wanted for the DRM unlock, so... the internet would be unusable.

    5. Re:The government and business wins? by tattood · · Score: 3

      I just assume the NSA has so many backdoors already they won't really benefit much from whatever additional monitoring possibilities DRM offers.

      The backdoors that may exist cannot be legally used in court to prosecute somebody. If the entire Internet has DRM, then that allows law enforcement to legally and easily track user browsing and use it in court.

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    6. Re:The government and business wins? by Baton+Rogue · · Score: 2

      Nobody would have enough money to pay the bastards whatever they wanted for the DRM unlock, so... the internet would be unusable.

      DRM does not mean that every single thing needs to be paid for. It just means that the consumer cannot freely copy the content and use it somewhere else.

    7. Re:The government and business wins? by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      Nope, nobody wins because the internet would be effectively unusable. We'd all have to go back to the library for our information. Nobody would have enough money to pay the bastards whatever they wanted for the DRM unlock, so... the internet would be unusable.

      Oh, I think I can imagine a workable concept for the DRM laden future Internet. We all get charged 10 cents per gigabyte that we download, stream or otherwise consume by our ISPs. The ISPs, already logging everything we do anyway pay all rights holders from the money collected. Done.

    8. Re: The government and business wins? by madsh · · Score: 0

      The government wins if they can tax the payment...

    9. Re:The government and business wins? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      As much as I'd love to skewer the bittorent guys and the video-over-internet data hogs, it'd be totally unworkable since even that tiny amount would be unaffordable by millions of people, starting with kids and going to the aboriginals in all parts of the world. Elon Musk is about to put 800 low earth orbiting satellites into the sky to make the internet available, and this would just make it unavailable to large masses of people. Its the same concept for which the NRA fights every "tax" or other expense on guns, which makes the poor people of the USA defenseless when there's a $49 gun they can use to ward off evil, but the politicians want to raise money and deprive them of protection by having a $150 registration fee per gun. No, it isn't fair to assume that every poor person that wants to buy a gun is a criminal so depriving them would be a good thing. Even among the poor, the criminals are a small minority.

    10. Re:The government and business wins? by SlashGodet · · Score: 1

      I can imagine (...) We all get charged 10 cents per gigabyte that we download, stream or otherwise consume by our ISPs. The ISPs, already logging everything we do anyway pay all rights holders from the money collected. Done.

      And how does a VPN fit into your imagination?

    11. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I thought it was funny. I think it's pretty obvious that the GP meant that the DRM modules will be closed source, and the NSA will bribe/coerce/etc the DRM programmers into putting spy backdoors in.

      Are you really this ignorant about how the NSA tries to put backdoors in things?

    12. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still don't get how preventing someone from exercising a legal right (fair use, right of first sale, etc) could ever be legal.

    13. Re:The government and business wins? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Sales of loose leaf notebooks and ballpoint pens would skyrocket.

    14. Re:The government and business wins? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Why would a VPN change anything? The money gathered would be thrown into a common pool, the way the $$ that the music mafia collects from bars and restaurants is. It wouldn't matter what you did with your bandwidth, you would pay a metered amount for it.

      Part of the counter to 'too cheap to meter' is how cheap the technology to meter with has become.

    15. Re:The government and business wins? by nnet · · Score: 1

      Information wants to be free. It told me so. For $3.95/minute.

    16. Re:The government and business wins? by russotto · · Score: 1

      The backdoors that may exist cannot be legally used in court to prosecute somebody.

      Through the magic of parallel construction, they can be illegally used in court to prosecute anybody.

    17. Re: The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suggested next step for NSA, force every human being to use electrified backdoored IoT buttplugs to make it painfully obvious how the world works

    18. Re:The government and business wins? by maralatho · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, an NRA membership costs $40 per year.

    19. Re:The government and business wins? by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      They could provide an alternative way to use your right. Like you have to send them a snail mail letter with a request to receive a quote kit. This will be free of course if your letter detailing the use of their work shows your use is legitimate. Some administrative and shipping fees may apply. Request will be validated within 21 working days. Permission for quoting a certain line for a certain use does not automatically give permission to quote other lines from the same work or permission to use said line for other uses. Conditions apply.

    20. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really don't understand 'fair use', do you? Fair use is a defence against an allegation of copyright infringement. That is all. There is no legal obligation for anyone to *facilitate* fair use.
      As for right of first sale, licensing content rather than selling it has effectively destroyed that right for digital content.

    21. Re:The government and business wins? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps we would get more of the old gift culture of the internet back, as in legally free works where the author does not bother with DRM in the first place. The absolute number of those may not increase, but they could gain more visibility when people are angry about excessive DRM and start looking for alternatives.

      As an example, I like science fiction novels, and there is quite a bit of free stuff out there.
            - The Baen Free Library, older novels that the publisher Baen Books has released for free, with permission of the authors: http://www.baen.com/catalog/category/view/s/free-library/id/2012
            - The writings of some hobby authors, made available for free on various forums and websites dedicated to such stuff. The quality is varying wildly, of course, but there are some pretty good ones. A favorite of mine is "The Last Angel" by "Proximal Flame", found here: https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-last-angel.244209/

      And of course, the warez scene might not be deterred so easily. As today, there might be a lot of cracked stuff circulating that has its DRM removed.

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    22. Re:The government and business wins? by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      I can imagine (...) We all get charged 10 cents per gigabyte that we download, stream or otherwise consume by our ISPs. The ISPs, already logging everything we do anyway pay all rights holders from the money collected. Done.

      And how does a VPN fit into your imagination?

      If you are involved in a point to point VPN maybe you aren’t paying for content consumption. If you are using VPN as an anonymizer then the people sucking in that content at the other end of your link might be paying instead. Or as the person below suggests we always are paying for the bits we traffic.

    23. Re:The government and business wins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The important "cases" are never prosecuted ... in public. Or in view of traditional law. Push-comes-shove on critical-power-monger issues only the jungles law gets applied. Yes I know ... grift a bit to the Constitution, but the same gun-barrels make functional any court-system.

  2. dryriver writes: stupid shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    what if? ReallyMakesUThink!

    seriously, who cares.

  3. Iâ(TM)ll continue going hiking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The internet could die for all I care. I still have slightly more than a metric ton of books I havenâ(TM)t read yet. Those are few million pages.

    1. Re:Iâ(TM)ll continue going hiking by Miser · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd take up/have time for more hobbies, one of which includes finding places to explore in the warmer months. If the Internet and tech in general weren't as "free" (in quote on purpose) as they are now, I'd just do other things unless there was a crack/hack available.

      Too late to stuff that genie back in the (DRM) bottle anyway.....

  4. What if all men were made of straw? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> What Would Happen If Everything On the Internet Was DRM Protected?

    What if all men were made of straw?

    1. Re:What if all men were made of straw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then femdom would become the default

    2. Re:What if all men were made of straw? by lgw · · Score: 2

      A better question would be "what if most of the present intenet was DRM-protected?" I'd note that there are plenty of sites that use some JS BS to try to stop you from saving images. The answer of course is "people who cared about that would use the rest of the internet".

      What do you do now if you don't want to consume DRM video? You stick with YouTube and torrents and avoid Netflix et al.

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    3. Re:What if all men were made of straw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Would Happen If Everything On the Internet Was DRM Protected?

      What if all men were made of straw?

      What if everyone just clicked Next -> Next -> OK.

    4. Re:What if all men were made of straw? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mandatory DRM for all online content not a strawman in this case. The overpaid middle-men in the Movie and Music publishing business are working hard to make that a reality.

      Eventually you'd need some kind of software to track what you watched and who should be paid. Then your Internet provider could just tack that onto your bill.

      This is the future of corporate greed. It's a utopia to the wealthy and a dystopia to the poor. But then that's how human society has been since the first murder killed someone for their shiny rock.

  5. reminds me of another question by tomhath · · Score: 4, Funny

    When my daughter was about 5 years old she asked me "What would happen if a monster ate the whole world?".

    This Ask Slashdot question makes about as much sense as my daughter's.

    1. Re:reminds me of another question by mnemotronic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1

      As far as answering your daughter's question: Well honey, eventually the monster would poop it out and it would look exactly like the world we live in now.

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    2. Re:reminds me of another question by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1
      A co-worker of mine had a phrase/rhetorical question for such situations:

      If cats had machine guns would dogs still chase them?

      In technical meetings if someone started asking absurd what-if questions he would trot it out. There was one project where the customer was notorious for bringing up such situations over trivial things where it got used a lot. People here still refer to such discussion when they crop up as cats with machine guns.

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    3. Re:reminds me of another question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a hypothesis that this has already happened.

    4. Re:reminds me of another question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's actually an eloquently expressed criticism of capitalism.
      You're just too stupid to understand your daughter.

    5. Re: reminds me of another question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends heavily on the cats ability to exert trigger force while aiming and bracing against recoil. Absent other physical modifications to cats, I think many dogs would still chase cats if only to hear the exciting noise and see the cat get recoil whipped.

    6. Re:reminds me of another question by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      One of our cats really likes the dog. He likes to lick that nummy little salt pat out of the corner of her eye.

  6. Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The free market would find a solution to DRM'ed jpegs.

    Just as it solved the problem of DRM-loaded games. People are willing to live with DRM if it means they can download the games they "own" on any of their computers any number of years later.

    1. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is an underrated argument. If everything was effectively DRM'd, we would have to find solutions that weren't painful for legitimate customers or for society as a whole. There would have to be some mechanism where fair use could actually, well, be used. There would have to be some mechanism to demonstrate who a legitimate rightsholder was to qualify for the DRM, so takedown mechanisms that can be abused today wouldn't need to exist in the same way. Copyright durations would have to be sensible and there would have to be a mechanism for ensuring works were properly released when the time came. If businesses adopted subscription models and then started hiking up prices once they'd got data locked in, we would soon have laws mandating data portability to promote fair and legal competition (much as the EU is now introducing with the GDPR, albeit for a slightly different reason).

      Most of the problems with DRM aren't really problems with DRM, they're problems with DRM denying customers what they legitimately paid for, DRM denying society its side of the copyright bargain, or badly implemented DRM having negative side-effects that are nothing to do with IP rights, such as creating security vulnerabilities or privacy problems.

      Of course, in practice such a system would be unworkable for a variety of reasons, but it's an interesting thought experiment along the lines of "What if copyright law were actually enforced robustly?"

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    2. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current DRM scheme will let you block access to anything, so it would be the perfect way for people who don't have rights to IP to monetize the content they control. And who would decide if their monetization was legit or not? It becomes a field day for lawyers and algorithm writers. It's already hard to get content to stick on YouTube since anyone can post a take-down request. Now they will have a financial incentive to do so.

    3. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this happened, the "dark web" along with "dark tools" would simply flourish. Ban something or lock it down, and it goes underground. Prohibition in the US, gun bans in the UK (now _only_ criminals have guns; oh and stabbings went way up), etc.

    4. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cameras and video recorders.
      Scanners.
      Etc.

    5. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's an interesting thought experiment along the lines of "What if copyright law were actually enforced robustly?"

      About 40 years ago, I had the idea to use LEDs on my cars instead of incandescent lights. Never did it, because back then they weren't bright enough, but I had toyed with the idea of patenting that idea. Never did it, but I do find it interesting that a few years ago, cars all of a sudden seemed to be using LEDs in just that way.
      About 34 years after I had that thought. And 34 years happens to be an original patent term plus renewal in the US. I'm thinking someone DID patent that idea, and the car makers just waited for the patent and renewal to expire, rather than paying royalties.
      My point? Maybe more of that would happen - companies or people just wait for terms to expire, until big companies pay off politicians to extend those term into forever.

    6. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wealthy rights owners would rather society collapse to the point that the half dozen people left alive are scraping bugs out of the ground with sticks to survive than let go of their rights and power. That you think otherwise is the absolute height of cuckoldry to them, have you never seen what they do before? How niave can you be?

  7. "Started with" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take it Dryriver doesn't remember Starforce or code wheels or dongles. DRM has been a thing for decades before it was used on music/films.

    More importantly, there will always be exceptions to the movement towards SaaS-everything/clouds. They won't be cheap or as "convenient", but they will exist as long as there is a market for them.

    1. Re:"Started with" by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> Dryriver doesn't remember

      As far as I can tell, there's not even TFA on this "submission". La. Zy.

      I have a feeling that dryriver's day job isn't paying well enough for him/her (I hope it's a him with that nickname otherwise eww) to keep his Wordpress blog up, and he's posting here in the hopes that there will be enough comments for SlashDot to make the (poor) decision to put him on the payroll. Then he can go back his quest for 100 followers on drireever.wordpress.com or wherever else it is he usually writes this drivel.

  8. Not much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything would be a lot less popular.
    The internet itself would be less popular.
    People are already constantly annoyed and just walking away, make it worse and you just get less people online.

    The whole idea of websites not owned by corporations would disappear. Social media wouldn't even work, as everything would be so delayed by registering and applying DRM it would be out of date on posting.

    1. Re:Not much by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a fine balance between not enough DRM, where copyright holders can't live off their work, and too much DRM that's so expensive and so annoying that people massively turn to piracy and ruin the copyright holders.

      The right balance is where the return for copyright holders is maximized. Even greedy bastards like the MPAA/RIAA know it and turn a blind eye to massive copyright infringements that they would much rather didn't happen.

      So the OP's point is moot: the internet will never be completely DRM-locked, because it would plain kill DRM in very short order.

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    2. Re:Not much by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Oh please, the idea that DRM deters piracy is a fallacy. It never has, which is why publishers have been doubling down trying insanely complicated and powerful DRM systems like Denuvo in an attempt to make it so strong that it might actually do something. If publishers were smart they'd make their works affordable and DRM-free for maximum profitability. DRM is a symptom of nonsensical, emotion-based business superstitions.

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    3. Re:Not much by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

      DRM deters privacy for a lot of people, not everyone but if you think DRM isn't helping console sales you're delusional, if anyone could just copy an Xbox or Playstation disc a significant amount of people would.

    4. Re:Not much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I'm not everybody, but the right balance for me is no DRM at all. I started buying MP3s when they became purchasable without DRM. I started buying a lot more digitally sold games when Humble Bundle and GOG started selling DRM free games. The only digitally sold movies I have purchased are from the site VHX, which is now under Vimeo.

      I will not buy digitally sold movies, music, books, comics, etc. online if they have DRM. I no longer buy programs that require online activation, especially when there are open source alternatives that work great for me. I don't have a problem with serial keys, as long as they do not require online activation.

      I have bought games on Steam. Many were included with the DRM free versions of games bought at Humble Bundle. The other games I've purchased on Steam are purchased only after they have been deeply discounted and go on a 75% off sale. DRM is like renting software, so Steam gets rental prices from me.

      It's trivial to make DVDs and Blu-rays DRM free so they can be put on my in home media server, so I purchase most of my movies on disc.

    5. Re:Not much by ewibble · · Score: 2

      The right balance is not where return to copyright holders is maximized it is when the return to society is maximized.

      You may need to reward copyright holders in order for them to produce stuff, so there is a balance. But the goal is a better society not make a few people rich.

    6. Re:Not much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM deters privacy for a lot of people, not everyone but if you think DRM isn't helping console sales you're delusional, if anyone could just copy an Xbox or Playstation disc a significant amount of people would.

      Don't need to copy. Just buy "used" or simply borrow from a friend. :p

  9. screen-capture blocking = ADA lawsuit by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    screen-capture blocking = ADA lawsuit

  10. A new Internet would be born by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new Internet that wasn't DRM protected would be born. This would happen because of the financial incentives. Remember when music used to be locked down before everyone started selling MP3 fiiles ?

  11. How long is a piece of string? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twice half its length.

  12. since DRM is enforced by the FBI by john+of+sparta · · Score: 1

    they'll require a backdoor to everything.

  13. That's the Aim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's how the state/corporate machine intends to take control of this Internet thingy and regain control of how citizens are informed and communicate. It's now a what-if question, but a when question.

  14. I'd make my own internet. by mrthoughtful · · Score: 1

    I would make my own Internet. I would not be alone.
    We would have the DRinternet and the FRinternet.
    It would be good. You would know that anything on FRinternet is free from DRM.
    So, the whole of wikipedia would be there for a start.
    Anyone who wanted to be on FRinternet would have to let go of any DRM.
    I would ensure that the domain services are separate so that by design one cannot link to the DRinternet from the FRinternet.

    Isn't it called TOR?

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    1. Re:I'd make my own internet. by GoTeam · · Score: 0

      Would your internet have blackjack and hookers?

    2. Re:I'd make my own internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would your internet have blackjack and hookers?

      Only blackjack. Unless that blackjack game was used for sex trafficking, then neither.

  15. What if.. by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    Then people would stop using the Internet and everybody wins.

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  16. Internet and Roads by Drethon · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm going there... what if every road required you to display your drivers license in the windshield to be scanned every time you go anywhere?

    1. Re:Internet and Roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's coming soon.

    2. Re:Internet and Roads by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm going there... what if every road required you to display your drivers license in the windshield to be scanned every time you go anywhere?

      Then we would rename "driver's license" with the term "license plate," since that's what a license plate is.

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    3. Re:Internet and Roads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plate on the car does not mean the operator has a (valid or any) license.

    4. Re:Internet and Roads by tepples · · Score: 1

      Current number plates do not display in a machine-readable manner who happens to be driving a vehicle at any given moment.

    5. Re:Internet and Roads by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      That stopped being true at least a decade ago, when more and more speeding tickets were processed fully automatically (by computers reading the licence plates from photos taken by speed cameras).

      Some motorways in The Netherlands measure the speed of vehicles over a long distance (so not at a point) and register every single car twice; when they enter and when they exit the area, to calculate the average speed and issue tickets based on that if needed. Fully automated, all machine reading of license plates.

      Maybe your country is behind the times in that?

    6. Re:Internet and Roads by tepples · · Score: 1

      The number plate identifies the vehicle and thereby its owner. It does not identify the human being driving it at any given moment.

    7. Re:Internet and Roads by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      It will be the same person most of the times. I expect 80-90% of the time, maybe even more. Good enough for most tracking purposes.

    8. Re:Internet and Roads by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm going there... what if every road required you to display your drivers license in the windshield to be scanned every time you go anywhere?

      Then we would rename "driver's license" with the term "license plate," since that's what a license plate is.

      As long as you mount your license to the plate to identify the current driver I suppose. Though if they go facial recognition on the driver, it wont matter much anyway.

    9. Re:Internet and Roads by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Such as when my wife drives our car which is registered to me or when I drove my parents car?

  17. Most people wouldn't notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine trying to save a JPEG image you see on a website to your harddisk, and not only does every single one of your web browsers refuse the request, but your OS's screen-capture function won't let you take a snapshot of that JPEG image either.

    There are already many people, perhaps even the majority of people (?), who don't know how to save JPEG images. And even if they did know how to do it, they'd probably think that it's copyright infringement. "If you want to see it again, just go to the web page again," they will say.

    1. Re:Most people wouldn't notice by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't really be their problem. You could teach them how to save a jpeg image in a few minutes. Teaching them how to figure out where it went and how to view the file again would be the challenge.

  18. Advice by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Download as much as you can NOW. Music, TV-series, Movies. Stock up on HDD's (dirt cheap). You will never be sorry. And neither will your friends be...

    1. Re:Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My uncle recorded every episode of Cheers on VHS when it aired on TV. He's one step ahead of you.

    2. Re:Advice by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      All through the late 80's I watched and rewatched 'The Prisoner' on VHS tape that my father recorded for me. In fact, he recorded it for me before I had a VHS Deck, and I then bought one so I could watch my tapes.

  19. What if "ifs and buts" WERE "candies and nuts"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine that? We could eat candies and nuts.

  20. You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 2

    I think most people forget that you post content too. Write a story, a good blog article, take a nice photograph. Wouldn't it be swell if you actually got paid for something that people make popular?

    So let's take the recent pay-with-computer-cycles as a decent example of a future ubiquitous micropayments convenience. Download a jpeg? Pay by waiting through ten seconds of computer cycles. You'll survive with short wait times for things that you find interesting.

    Of course, when thousands of others download your jpeg, you'll get the cycles in return.

    That's a good thing, because the more times currency moves, the better the very same economy. Still-money isn't good for an economy, money-in-motion is a good economy.

    The trouble with DRM today is that it over-complicates reasonable convenience. But if that complication were gone, then it simply becomes a standardized form of valuation.

    It can be noted that physical sales have taken the same route, hundreds of years ago.

    It was easier to just go into someone's yard, and eat the berries off of their trees. Imagine if every berry that you take required you to pay for it with the milk from your farm animals? Well, wait a minute, what if we make something and call it money, that we can trade for berries and for milk, so we don't need to carry around both milk and berries? And what if we make something called stores, and sell the berries in quantized packages, so it's not a per-berry compensation?

    DRM is a modern problem. As such, we don't have a modern solution. The moment we devise a modern solution, DRM will become an old problem, just like everything else.

    To sum up, the DRM problem is simply an issue of barter -- how can I trade value that I have, for value that I want. I want a digital file. I have this penguin. They simply aren't conveniently compatible -- because the web-site with the jpeg doesn't accept penguins in-trade. The web-site also doesn't accept cash, nor credit cards for simple jpeg rights, all because the mechanism of jpeg delivery isn't conveniently compatible with current mechanism for currency delivery.

    That'll change. Give it time. Jpeg's weren't worth anything when they were low-res photos of cats, so we didn't care twenty years ago.

    1. Re:You'd start earning money by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Hold on. You think you or I would get to profit from a setup like this?

      Hahahahaha

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      "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
    2. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 2

      I create more content than I consume. Sorry if you don't. But if you're consuming and not contributing, I'm totally fine with you not profiting. In short, if it's not worth anything to you (neither money, nor time, nor trade) then you really shouldn't be wasting your time with it. Spend that time with your family, you'll feel better.

    3. Re: You'd start earning money by madsh · · Score: 0

      Exactly... be original and creative :-)

    4. Re:You'd start earning money by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I think most people forget that you post content too. Write a story, a good blog article, take a nice photograph. Wouldn't it be swell if you actually got paid for something that people make popular?

      Honestly, no. I have a bunch of stuff: I have a personal website, a reasonable github accout and a blog.

      I'm where I am onw on the back of some of the open source software I published. It led to not just my job but most of my career so far. That's great, I make a iving without the hassle of nickel and diming people. It wouldn't be covered by this DRM foolishness anyway, since it's code not "consumable content".

      I have other software that's used by some people, for free of course. Most of my feeling about that is "holy shit I made a difference".

      And then there's the purely personal stuff I posted that has nothing to d owith my career. Some of it is in use by other people who submit bugfixes. It's amazing. Firstly I can bond with random people from who knows where over shared interests. Secondly, they sometimes contribute bug fixes and feature enhancements. Wow! People help me with a hobby, for free! And I get to indulge in my hobby with other people!! How awesome is that?

      And then there's my blog. I write that entirely for myself. I like documenting things I do, and it's entertaining to me to do that online rather than off. I have a few readers and occasionally get comments from people who must have the same shared esoteric interests. That alone is more than worth it. I have read tons of cool stuff for free on the internet, dating back to the geocities era when people just wanted to share for the hell of it and for the first time in human history could do so at scale.

      It's not about money it's about passion. Anything, even 0.01c per view, that gets in the way is a detriment. Hell, I PAY for the privilige since I can have my site be advertisement free. I ike being able in my own tiny way to contribute to the shared knowledge of humankind. A tiny contribution from 7 billion people goes a very long way.

      In some ways I have a fundamentally optimistic view. I write about stuff that interests me (for free), and that in some small way contributes to the pool which makes other people do so too. It's not a quid pro quo. I don't expect any particular person to contribute anything back. But I know people will in general because there are plenty of people who will produce stuff simply for the joy of sharing it.

      So even if the barter were easy, I don't want to engage. I simply want people to share my passions in stuff I think is awesome.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    5. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Sounds like me about twenty years ago. It's easy to like connecting with people when you have few hobbies and lots of time. Fast forward to a time in your life when you have lots of hobbies, and little time, and plenty of people in your life.

      I'm not interested in random people, nor in opinions, nor in new hobbies. I've got plenty in my own life. What I want is more time to enjoy the many hobbies and toys that I already have. There's no value otherwise.

    6. Re:You'd start earning money by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. We create and share because we like it and get so much more in return. We all win.

    7. Re:You'd start earning money by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You sound very self-centered. You miss his point: we all stand on the back of others. You would be better off sharing and getting more in return, rather than nickel and diming people.

    8. Re:You'd start earning money by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Sounds like me about twenty years ago.

      It started 20 years ago after a fashion and it has continued ever since. The desire did not start 20 years ago, the desire is much, much older. The ability for so many to widely disseminate started 20 years ago.

      It has continued.

      It's easy to like connecting with people when you have few hobbies and lots of time.

      It's also easy to like when you have sufficient hobbies and very little time.

      Fast forward to a time in your life when you have lots of hobbies, and little time, and plenty of people in your life.

      In all of my hobbies (whether you consider it many or few) I have learned invaluable things from random people I will never meet and never speak to who enjoyed sharing things on the internet. I'm glad I can do the same.

      I'm not interested in random people, nor in opinions, nor in new hobbies.

      Eh, so your mind is closed. I'm not interested in *most* random people or *most* opinions or *most* new hobbies. Thing is the internet lets me reach the ones I am interested in. I don't much care for another opinion on the state of politics. an opinion on how to convey detail in a pencil drawing is much more of interest to me, as is a serious (even if light hearted) crit about a book I had strong feelings about.

      I've got plenty in my own life.

      Like fun hobbies from which you can learn from other people.

      What I want is more time to enjoy the many hobbies and toys that I already have. There's no value otherwise.

      Exactly.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    9. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      That presumes so much about how those others would behave. It doesn't happen in reality. That's why we invented money, and representational money at that.

      You'll find that the return from sharing, as you've described, just doesn't materialize over the long term. Much like so many other economic systems, it works great when everyone is the same as you; it fails miserably in a diverse population where people's needs are very different from yours.

      To be brief, when people prioritize their own family over "sharing-back", if we can call it that, then you wind up simply paying for someone else's family. It works in a group of ten or ten million families who all signed on together. . .for one generation until the next one is forced into a system that they didn't choose.

      Look up "Nash equilibrium". What you're proposing, simply isn't.

    10. Re:You'd start earning money by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Most people create more content then they consume. And most content is crap. See: Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat.

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      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    11. Re:You'd start earning money by ewibble · · Score: 1

      I very much doubt you create more content than you consume, if you just count this story how many words did you read? how many did you write?

      Even if you are prolific programmer, do you really think the amount of code you have written exceeds amount of code in the operating system?

      Or create movies what director (assuming the director is considered to have created the whole movie alone) has created more movies than they have watched.

      Apart from absurdity of the comment that you have created more content than you have consumed, do you really think if you post something you will own the rights?

      The terms and conditions of the site will clearly state that the site owns the right, and if you don't like don't post.

    12. Re:You'd start earning money by tepples · · Score: 1

      Pay by waiting through ten seconds of computer cycles.

      Is that ten seconds of cycles on my Game Boy's 8080-derived LR35902 processor or ten seconds on the latest Intel Core i7? In addition, what prevents a micropayment processor from logging my browsing history and creating an interest profile with which to blackmail me?

    13. Re:You'd start earning money by tepples · · Score: 1

      First I'd prefer to dispense with some misconceptions inherent in your wording, namely that viewing a work somehow "consumes" it, or that works of authorship are "content" to fill a box.

      With that out of the way, how should one legally contribute without running the risk of accidentally plagiarizing someone else's work by creating your own work that ends up being too similar?

    14. Re:You'd start earning money by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well, we clearly disagree on a lot of things, but it seems not on this one!

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    15. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 2

      a) we're talking about creating in terms of consuming, not producing. If I write a blog article read by a thousand consumers, I get a thousand points, not one.

      b) I am a programmer. I do program web-sites. Some of those web-sites receive a few thousand pageviews per hour. That's fairly typical of a medium business's web-site.

      c) For a successful movie director's movies to be watched more times than he himself has watched movies is pretty logical. But we're not just talking about a man's movie watching. Maybe he also writes interviews but doesn't read any.

      d) we're not talking about now. we're talking about the OP's highly hypothetical concept that I could own the rights for this post.

    16. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      a) on a 2-year-old core i5. you can buy a f aster machine and spend less time, or a slower machine and spend more time.

      b) the same thing that stops me from tossing ball-bearings onto the highway, or taking just taking your windshield wipers from a parking lot: laws.

    17. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      This conversation is not based on practical solutions. You'll need to ask the OP how his hypothetical DRM works. For my part in this conversation, it needn't be original content. We know it's mine because you're reading it here. If this exact post has been written by another, you'll pay them when you read it there, and me when you read it here. You, as the reader, selected your source. You pay the store you're at. If you want to buy the same content twice, I won't stop you.

      As for your "consumes" issue, you're obviously correct. But again, that's not the thrust of this. The OP said you pay to read. If you pay to read, someone gets paid because you read.

    18. Re:You'd start earning money by tepples · · Score: 1

      a) on a 2-year-old core i5. you can buy a f aster machine and spend less time, or a slower machine and spend more time.

      Good luck carrying an external cryptocurrency mining coprocessor and the battery to power it if you normally read articles on a smartphone.

      In addition, what prevents a micropayment processor from logging my browsing history and creating an interest profile with which to blackmail me?

      laws.

      Which laws might these be in Slashdot's home country that require micropayment processors to separate that option from interest-based advertising? I'd be interested to follow relevant U.S. Code or Code of Federal Regulations citations.

    19. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      You've added your own bias into this. There was no mention of cryptocurrency mining anywhere. Nor was there any mention of existing laws.

      The OP fabricated a hypothetical future world where everything has DRM. I fabricated a mechanism by which payments could be made, and privacy laws could be enforced.

      If you aren't operating within the OP's hypothetical scenario, then you aren't contributing to this conversation. You're contributing to some other conversation. I'm sure that if you start your own thread, you'll get contributors a'plenty.

    20. Re:You'd start earning money by sjames · · Score: 1

      Odds are the browser you used to post that was shared with you without requiring you to pay. The site you posted it to doesn't require you to pay. The OS, web server, and perl interpreter the site runs on didn't require payment.

      I'm not charging you to read this comment. I'm also not charging people who haven't posted to this discussion.

      If we DRM and charge for everything, the additional friction would drag our economy to it's knees in an instant.

    21. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Except that everything you describe happened pretty much exactly as you're describing, for literally everything non-digital.

      You pay for each and every piece of fruit that you eat. Every tissue. Every drop of soap. You don't trade, you don't eat for free in your friend's backyard. Your house wasn't built by you and your friends. When you replace your roof, it won't be you and your neighbours doing the work. Instead, you'll purchase each and every shingle, and you'll pay for each and every minute of labour to lay them.

      Just because you can't think of a solution today, doesn't mean that we can't identify matching problems from the past.

      In order to pay for every morsel of food, we had to invent the concept of currency and relative values for different goods. We had to invent cash, and banks to hold them safely. We needed laws to govern their transfer and enforcement to deal with their theft. We invented wages, because people needed to be paid in money -- as opposed to salt, meat, and metal. We added the concept of credit, and cheques. Need help from the entire community? We invented a stock market so the entire community can invest in your business, so you can pay for employees that don't care about your business otherwise.

      Think about it. Think about the insane amount of infrastructure and change that was necessary in order to pay for food.

      The idea that meaningless and inherently valueless cash could equate oranges with donkeys with cars with an hour of nursing would boggle any mind from that era. Bigger boats are understandable to a small boater. Airplanes are like big birds that you can ride, or like flying horses. Try to explain monetary currency to someone who's never seen it. It's quite abstract. We spend years teaching our children. Imagine teaching someone 50'000 years ago.

      Stop thinking about digital goods as impossible to manage with monetary currencies. That's obvious. Instead, start looking for a different kind of currency that might suit digital conduct.

      You don't need to look far to find imperfect attempts. Manual turk comes to mind, as does computer cycle donation (be it cryptocurrency or any of a number of scientific pursuits from a decade ago). Like modern currency with no inherent value, it needn't be anything real. It need only be something that tracks something else that's real -- i.e. your work hours.

      If you can be "given" something (we can call it money, cycles, or points, it really doesn't matter), that can flow alongside your action (be they physical acquisitions, digital downloads, or actions of consumption), and can be more-or-less tied together as a documentable transaction, then we're done.

      The idea, and to-date major failure, of DRM is to tie the action (e.g. digital download) to the payment (e.g. purchaser account). DRM keeps failing for all sorts of reasons. That doesn't mean there's no possibility of future success.

      You can see many of those same failures in retail. What if it breaks? Or sucks? Well, we have warranties and return policies. So we'd need a DRM that lets me pay to read an article, then say it was mis-advertised, and get my money back. I've done so at movie theatres the same way. We've all returned purchased goods, and not always in working condition.

      Not sure about your country, but in my country, admission tickets (movies, trade shows, whatever) all say "no refunds" right on the receipt. That's because it's perfectly legal to sell an admission ticket that says "no refunds" right on it. However, it is illegal to not offer refunds for such things in my country. So written or not, you can still ask for, and receive a refund.

      We'll get there. Things need to be paid for. Advertising didn't work in the '80s, when they doubled it and called it eyeballs, it didn't work in the '90s when they focused on unique visitors to show a much smaller number. It continues to not work now that it's completely immeasurable. Eventually it'll be replaced by something thought to work better. Maybe it'll be paying for stuff. Netflix found some success at the subscription model. One day that too will fail simply because you can't have a larger library without charging more, and eventually more is too much.

    22. Re:You'd start earning money by sjames · · Score: 1

      Yes, physical things often cost more than non-physical. But even there, there comes a point where nickel and dimeing turns away customers. For example, the grocery store or farmer's marked doesn't charge by the minute. You don't have to pay by the word for conversation with the cashier. No cart rental fee. In most places, no charge for parking.

      At one time, some stores got the bright idea that pay toilets could be a thing. Some went out of business, some removed the coin box. On more than one occasion, I saw a story about a mother encouraging her child to pee on the floor and other shoppers cheering.

      Stores that liked to lock everything behind glass lost out to ones that just accepted a certain amount of "loss".

      But in general, note how brick and mortar stores that have to put the cost of having a store front in the price are losing out to Amazon. Also notice how for the most common use case, furniture and appliance rental are a horrible deal. Even then, none of them try to keep you from letting your neighbor do a load of clothes or sit in your living room. They can even watch TV with you without an additional charge.

      Divx is dead and so is the company that created it.

      But in general, trade, often using money in some form as an intermediary mostly works where the marginal cost of production is significant and the amount traded greatly exceeds the cost of accounting. Micro transactions mostly fail because the cost of accounting (including the intangible cost of the customer's own mental accounting) is a significant portion of the total cost. That is, too much friction.

      We don't need a "solution" for micro transactions, I already have one. Just say no.

    23. Re:You'd start earning money by tepples · · Score: 1

      So let's take the recent pay-with-computer-cycles as a decent example of a future ubiquitous micropayments convenience. Download a jpeg? Pay by waiting through ten seconds of computer cycles.

      Later:

      There was no mention of cryptocurrency mining anywhere.

      Then what non-cryptocurrency means to "pay-with-computer-cycles" did you have in mind?

      Nor was there any mention of existing laws.

      I doubt that such laws could be created at all in the current legislative climate of Slashdot's home country. And even assuming a future sea change in the attitude of the US Congress, or an attempt by some other country to aggressively court migrants from the US, I am curious to see what a privacy law would look like that is effective but doesn't impose an undue burden on small businesses. Unless I'm severely misunderstanding the European Union's GDPR, it looks to balkanize international retail by requiring every non-EU business that ships products to the EU to hire a firm on EU soil to act as its representative under GDPR article 27, because the name and address on the shipping label are "personal data."

    24. Re:You'd start earning money by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      When I say "pay-with-computer-cycles", I don't need to specify anything more specific, nor do I need to have something in mind. I think the future will include faster forms of transportation. I don't need to be thinking air travel, ground travel, sea travel, catapult, space travel, or stargate travel. I can think in general terms.

      As for future laws, you're not going to suggest that the future won't have new or different laws. So don't look at things today and say that they'll never change.

      That said, I will propose a new idea. There's also the concept of this type of data privacy no longer being an issue. It's not like companies take our data now for actual practical use. They aren't breaking into our homes at night, they aren't cloning our children, and they aren't even copying our living room layout or fridge art.

      Companies currently take our data simply to sell our data. Next up the chain, companies buy our data simply to advertise to us narrowly. There's a very easy and super-obvious way to stop those from happening, without changing any laws at all.

      Cultures can change from one year to the next. That kind of data wasn't commercially-practical thirty years ago. I feel that it will not be commercially-meaningful thirty years from now.

  21. Make your own internet? by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've thought about that scenario, too. It'd just be way too easy for the gubment to ban Wifi, WiMax (already licensed anyway), and packet radio for purposes of building your own network. That way only the politician's handlers can decide who gets access to the-one-and-only-Internet. Don't you think they'd just cut off the DIY avenue pretty quick? I mean, that's almost as dangerous as pirate radio. We simply can't have people just, you know, saying whatever they want. You think there is some kind of universal law protecting free speech? What? What is this burst dependent you speak of? Oh...... first amendment?.. Yeah, we don't do that anymore.

  22. Who cares? Never happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I save $50 a month by getting off the internet.

    BBSs rule the day. The internet of wifi botnet things replaces the open internet. Everyone has to roll their own browser on old linux distributions.

  23. Well by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Since they insist I'm just an owner of a license, I'd sue them for the free replacement of the vinyl data device that they gave me to be able to listen to the 'Dark Side Of The Moon' in 1973 since it wasn't as permanent as they claim.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, doesn't work that way. Your license only lasts as long as the medium.

      I once bought a watch with a lifetime guarantee. "Yeah," he told me, "guaranteed for the life of the watch."

      All you people have to quit complaining. You sound like a bunch of damn fools when you constantly reelect a congress that does this to you. Masochists, all of you!

      Sweep the House!

  24. Really? by JediJorgie · · Score: 4, Informative

    > The whole Digital Rights Management (DRM) train started with music and films

    How can I take any of it seriously when they start with a statement like that? Computer games had DRM, (often based on looking up things in the manual) long before folks with dealing with digital music and video.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First thing I thought of too. DRM was around long before it was on movies and music. DRM was around long before they called it DRM.

    2. Re:Really? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly.

      Back in the 80's we called it "Copy Protection" and we "kracked" (*) that stupid shit because media wears out, companies go out of business, kids damage disks, to LEARN, etc. and we got the legal right to back up our software.

      DRM is a big "Fuck You to our legal right."

      Sadly most people are wussies to get the law to change due to the country being an oligarchy / plutocracy / corporate shill, etc.

      (*) Fucking media hijacked the definition of these words:

      * Krack = Crack = to remove copy protection
      * Kracker = someone who removed copy protection
      * Hack = Quick Fix
      * Hacker = Someone who is motivated SOLELY to LEARN. The unwritten "code of conduct" was to NEVER damage _anything._

      New hijacked meaning:

      Crack = drug
      Hacker = someone who breaks into systems for either damage, for profit, espionage, etc.

      Now get off my LAN.

    3. Re:Really? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I still have that dark brown piece of paper with the strange symbols printed in black on it that came with my copy of Sim City for MS-DOS.

      (even back then you could tweak the settings on your scanner and get a good readable copy)

  25. DRM for DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm okay with DRM products, as long as I can spend Digital Rights Money (DRM) on it.

    Digital Rights Money lets me tell the product seller when and on what they are allowed to spend the money I gave them.

    Oh, and it requires a connection to my server.

    Oh, and if they haven't spent the money by the time I decide I no longer want to run the server, the money is now unspendable.

    Yep. I'm totally okay with this DRM for DRM arrangement.

  26. I would use the internet less ... by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    ... and move to some alternative that would presumably pop up roughly 20 minutes into the internet going total DRM.

    Coming to think of it that would probably be exactly what the world needs to finally move to some namecoin driven namecoin driven mesh network alternative to the intarweb.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:I would use the internet less ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ya, you most definitely would use it less.. because if drm was mandatory and blanketed the whole of the internet from 'day one'.. the internet would not exist... at least not in the current form. we'd be using something more a kin to the old compuserve now instead.

  27. This is why we need to keep Mozilla and Linux free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mozilla needs to bring back the power of XUL (extensions bypass DRM) into their browser and Linux needs to get rid of SystemD (a mechanism for DRM). Join the resistance, use XUL-forks of Firefox and SystemD free distros. Together we can fight DRM.

  28. Just.. imagine... by sheramil · · Score: 0

    Imagine trying to copy-and-paste some text from a news article somewhere into a Slashdot submission box, and having browser DRM tell you 'Sorry! The author, copyright holder or publisher of this text does not allow it to be quoted or re-published anywhere other than where it was originally published!'.

    Now imagine ... reading the text from that news article, one sentence at a time... and then typing it into a text editor. Good lord! People are using their brains as COPY BUFFERS!

    Everyone line up for your mandatory lobotomies!

  29. nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New protocols would route around the damage. The web is not the internet.

    1. Re:nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New protocols would route around the damage.

      But your ISP won't. They will tell you what you can see. The ISP is your DRM. Look no further. Without them this would not be an issue.

  30. Don't think of it as "everything on the Internet" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Think of it as "everything on home computers." If you take control of the home computers, you can DRM everything on the Internet. What would be the best way to do that? With walled-garden computing, of course. Remember that when the original iPhone launched, iOS didn't have a clipboard or download capability.

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  31. HTTPS everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forced DRM is the purpose of HTTPS everywhere. The entire purpose is to control who can publish what on the internet. Right now it's a "safety" thing, and "you can get your own certificate" but 3 companies have effective veto power on CAs (Apple, Microsoft and Google), and have demonstrated their willingness to use that power. After effectively banning unencrypted communications, all that is left is to tighten certificate control.

    You've already lost, and you're cheering for the oligarchs.

  32. DRM free media by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

    If you're disliking DRM-loaded media, then there's obviously a market for DRM-free media (or the alternative, DRM-lite which comments if you violate the DRM but still allows the user to utilize the content.)

    It may seem hard, but still possible.

    Imagine trying to copy-and-paste some text from a news article somewhere into a Slashdot submission box, and having browser DRM tell you 'Sorry! The author, copyright holder or publisher of this text does not allow it to be quoted or re-published anywhere other than where it was originally published!'.

    Imaging me removing that site from my lost of bookmarks...

    Or me creating my own news site that permits basic copy-paste, etc.

    Except that this video is DRM'd, and requires you to pay 0.1 Cent each time someone watches the video on your blog

    Actually, there's a much simpler way of handling this.

    ISPs currently bill customers a fixed amount per month, and it would be "trivial" for them to include a copyright quota as part of the bill, similar to what university students paid for printing paper per month. Thus for $5/month, that 0.1 cent can allow the user to view said video, or allow downloading whatever.

    Not to mention that those people creating those movies should technically have those free trailers and/or exerpts that encourage people to post them on the blog without having to pay some DRM fee. Then someone discovers that those independent bloggers are more willing to post advertisements for their new movie if there's no DRM costs.

    1. Re:DRM free media by tepples · · Score: 1

      Or me creating my own news site that permits basic copy-paste, etc.

      How do you plan to pay for your newsroom and hosting?

    2. Re:DRM free media by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      Same way Slashdot paid for it's hosting and submission system.

      Better question is how to grow quickly enough so that one has a reason to keep the newsroom and hosting, cause plopping down yet another news site isn't going to attract any attention. There's plenty of graveyard news/blogs/websites around, sometimes disappear without warning, etc.

      Bankroll+income is always a problem, but that's handled with a proper plan (which depends on how the indy-news site unfolds), finding some staff as well, and someone who can provide startup funds.

    3. Re:DRM free media by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No matter how much the big labels want to enforce DRM, there will be plenty of very talented independent artists putting their music up for sale DRM-free in any format you want, at sites like Bandcamp.

      --
      Eat the rich.
    4. Re:DRM free media by sjames · · Score: 1

      It kind of reminds me of the situation a few years ago when European news outlets "won" the right to not have search engines excerpt their news articles. And how only days later all those newspapers clutched their pearls and moaned about how mean old Google stopped indexing their websites and was sending readers elsewhere.

  33. Magic Gate / Xanadu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM conceptually isn't bad, its just how stingy or how badly implemented it always is to lock you into some format/app.

    Just look at the early 2k online experience of music buying with sony, once you had the file it could only be checked out then back in before putting it on another device :/

    If you look up Project Xanadu by Ted Nelson is more or less what the article is describing, a highly hyperlinked internet with automatic royalties to content authors. Its not a bad thing if done well.

  34. Empty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a drm internet would be mostly dead and empty

  35. Spiderman 8?? by zarmanto · · Score: 0

    Spiderman 8? Well, aren't you the idealist?

    Considering how frequently they just summarily reboot the Spiderman franchise, clearly the movie of which you speak will actually be identified as the fourth Spiderman 1... and it'll be a total Anime-styled CGI remake of the 2002 Tobey Maguire Spiderman, which means that it'll be an absolute hit everywhere except for the megalopolis of Japan -- where the locals will have finally outgrown such childish things in favor of the more refined and artistic animation styles of classic Simpsons episodes.

  36. Wouldn't that work both ways? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I would take a picture, and load it to Facebook with my DRM. For Facebook to show it to another user, or another user to open it, the browser would need to contact my PC for verification.

    1. Re:Wouldn't that work both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for reasons your PC doesn't qualify as verification server.

      But you can pay 500 bucks a year to become a certified DRM content provider, pay 100 a month for the DRM verification server and your certificate, plus any payment made goes through the payment provider that keeps 50% of your income and only ever pays out if the total exceeds 100.

    2. Re:Wouldn't that work both ways? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Why can't my PC be a verification server? I can just install the software.

    3. Re:Wouldn't that work both ways? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't my PC be a verification server? I can just install the software.

      For the same reason your PC can't become a DNS server.
      Sure you can install the software, but no-one would listen to it.

    4. Re:Wouldn't that work both ways? by tepples · · Score: 1

      The software lacks a valid certificate from the digital restrictions management certificate authority. It's the same reason you can't self-publish games for game consoles.

  37. back to books, to hell with the Internet by swschrad · · Score: 1

    and, you know, it would take me until I die to read through my shelves again and the stacks in the library.

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
    1. Re:back to books, to hell with the Internet by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It would take me until I die to read through all the ebooks in that torrent I downloaded eight years ago.

      But I have a lotta books on my reading list, too.

  38. Someone's Utopia idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be someone's utopia to have that. If you even think about my content, pay me for the right to even have the thought of my content. The content holder deserves payment for the use of their content. However, put a ball and chain around the end user by not making it an easy and seemless consumption, and you're ripe for the hackers of the world to circumvent it just because you said I can't. Think about the DRM'd Keurig brewers.

    It's that way half the time now. You turn off Javascript and the internet is broken. You highlight some text and can barely hit CTRL C to copy it. Since a right click produces a specific menu or is disabled.

    What is supposed to happen if I goto my internet cache files and find the image? will that then go away?

    .

  39. Erosion of US websites would continue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is fairly simple, if the USA locks up all of its content with DRM and this trend follows into the unlikely smaller business market then outside forces which have no such impediment will continue their already meteoric rise to fame and infamy.

    Currently whenever I see things like 'content not available in your country' I turn to what are commonly referred to as 'pirate' streaming websites. Why? Because we are genetically hardwired to exhaust as little energy as possible. This goes for sex, acclimation of wealth, food etc. That is why a lot of rich people order out a lot of the time, cooking takes energy and if you consider the trade off less you basically fore-go cooking. This is why apps like Tinder and Grinder make bank, etc.

    DRM is fine if it is not an impediment, however I know from personal experience that when I installed some games they would place a starforce rootkit onto my operating system, other games would attempt to refuse to install because of things like cd-clone programmers also being installed. The madness and attempt to control were impediments to my ability to simply play the game. This impediment launched me into a 20 year usage of pirate websites which allowed me to fore-go having physical media, paying exorbitant prices, having my system infected with rootkits or the like, and not having to put up with nag-ware.

    The same goes for television, the prices are high and the content is low. That is why I switched to utilizing streaming websites, the quality is high, the price is non-existent and it is able to be paused, stripped of commercials etc etc.

    These companies have already been warned about as much as is humanly possible about the dangers of making their product a pain in the ass to deal with and they refuse to listen. Watching this all happen slowly across the years is amusing, any idiot could predict what will happen.

  40. On the other hand... by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    This will never happen. The folks behind DMCA would never allow "everything" to be protected by DRM - only their interests.

    If "everything" had DRM that would include any data that I create. It might be interesting if there was a secure means of personally determining distribution, including copies, for every piece of content I place anywhere no matter what the size of the content (could DRM protection of passwords have a place?). It would be a huge adjustment and break a lot of things initially.

    For example, a tweet couldn't be retweeted, or imaged and included in another as an image, without the author's consent. Facebook would have similar issues. Facebook's data distribution restraints could actually be enforced by the users.

    If the DRM was designed as the world's biggest blockchain with full data tracking, automated auditing of whether a website has violated its privacy policy would become possible.

    1. Re:On the other hand... by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      Wait, that's potentially huge. It seems to me that DRM on everything, including my own content, means I could severely limit the rights of *anything* I originate, including metadata.

      This won't just be "an issue" for Facebook, it'd destroy it. And probably Google. And any business that makes a significant part of their gross from data mining.

      That might actually be fun to watch. (Just before the lights go out...)

      --
      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    2. Re:On the other hand... by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      Yes, there could indeed be a lot of positive applications for ubiquitous DRM. DRM to secure home surveillance camera feeds, on all of your email, on every photo taken by your smartphone at the moment it is taken, on every word spoken into your smartphone while on a conversation, on every input to your home smart speaker, and on and on and on. It could even rise to the level of awesomeness if it could be had with no government back door.

      But, like I said, it will never happen. DRM is only to protect business. Business would never support robust DRM for all data.

    3. Re:On the other hand... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Facebook would dry up and blow away because they couldn't sell information about you to 3rd parties anymore. Imagine if the information on every form you fill is DRMed and can't be handed over to a 3rd party.

  41. What caused it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your sci-fi writing prompt leaves out an important part: what would cause that to happen?

    Nobody knows what would happen next, without knowing how all the computers got so broken in the first place. We can't write the next chapter of your story without really reading the last one.

    I mean, the obvious answer is that people would fix their computers, by uninstalling whatever you put on there that implements the DRM. Unless your story is that all the install media were silently corrupted over the course of a few decades, so that nothing could boot anymore, then the obvious fixes wouldn't work, right? So if that happened, I guess people would either pay the ransom (assuming there is one), or they'd recreate computers from scratch (which would be a major pain in the ass, but do-able). Or perhaps your story is that a mystical force was responsible, and every time someone tried to fix their computer, let's say, it killed them. So you'd have humanity imprisoned, or no longer able to use computers. Or whatever direction it is, that you're trying to make the story go.

  42. Go old school by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Imagine trying to copy-and-paste some text from a news article somewhere into a Slashdot submission box

    So, you'll have to go old school on them and re-type what was in the article. Just like I had to do in high-school when copying text from a book...with a pen...and no friggin' auto-correct!

    Now, GET OFF MY LAWN!

    --
    Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
    Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
  43. This is why open source will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. ad a lot of people would spend time duplicating the effort needed to un-drm things.

  44. They only way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They only way to stop all this crap is to nuke them from orbit.

  45. What happens: The internet replaced... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    ...with something that actually works. (Maybe Usenet will make a comeback? I think I still have a Telebit modem in the garage...) Seriously, with DRM on everything, software in control with no concept of "fair use", the internet is pretty much useless. Already you can't even paste URLs of the original article in some cases -- not EVEN excerpts or screen scrapes but the actual URL -- without getting dinged on copyright. (Which just tells me that some people don't know or care how the internet really works.)

    To effectively DRM screen shots would probably require strict prohibition on "side-loading" open source software, confining everyone to a strictly managed official "store". You can see the major OS players going that direction.

    And you know, when everything is DRM'd, everything will cost money to have eyeballs on it. (Otherwise, what's the point?) And the problem with charging money for content is that the content owners are typically blinded by dollar signs and price their content out of market. And then complain that their business is failing. (It must be pirates.)

    In no time at all, there won't be anything but pr0n. Which, come to think of it, is pretty much 70% of current traffic, so maybe things won't change that much.

    --
    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  46. Not much... by chriscokid · · Score: 0

    It wouldn't take long before "alternative" versions of browsers and window managers were created that ignored these DRM requirements. Once the data is on a machine, there is no sure way to keep it secure. The longer such measures were in place, the more popular these alternative tools would become. It is impossible to put the genie back in the bottle...

  47. That is a stupidly easy answer, and it will amaze! by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Funny

    The internet will [Protected content, you need Slashdot Premium Plus membership to access this post]

  48. Re:Don't think of it as "everything on the Interne by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

    Way back when the tin-foil crowd were Going on about the risks of "Trusted computing". At the time it seemed so far fetched.

    Yet here we are today.

  49. And then there were two. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd be sure to have a button in my search engine and or brower that said "never list sites contain DRM" So you can choose between the 'open net' and the 'commercial net'.

    --
    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  50. The real problem. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    DRM is a content destroyer in the long term. There should be a addition made to copyrite law that says any any use of DRM must be continually supported by the creator until such time as they completely unlock the media and make it public domain.

    That means if you make a DRM encumbered DVD that 80 years from now you are required to continue to ensure equipment exists at a reasonable price so that the original repurchase of the content can still access it in the original format OR you are required to provide a free upgrade.

    The problem is what happens when that bug in that old drm is fixed or that codex isn't supported anymore. Millions of dollars worth of products that were sold are now useless to the consumer. So the entities that created them must be held responsible for keeping what they sold usable.

    --
    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  51. Keys galore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if everything has DRM, then everything that reads it has keys. So there will be a LOT of keys. Keys galore. And since every reader of DRM has the keys, it will be a key fest of DRM defeat. Remember, the premise of DRM is that you can grant possession of the keys without granting control of the keys. This is ultimately a folly, held up only by the inability of the possessor to do what the DRM system does to access said keys. There's a reason why DVD and Blu-Ray encryption doesn't work... it's the keys, stupid!

  52. There would be no more crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we would all win

  53. Cancel netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I did for their lobbying.

  54. I know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same thing that happens when you let an industry take over hospital care.

  55. Depends on the OS . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " ... but your OS's screen-capture function won't let you take a snapshot of that JPEG image either. "

    If you are using MS Windows or Apple's OS, you would be screwed. Linux and the BSD's might allow a way around it.

  56. Adobe wouldn't be useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adobe wouldn't be useless? I don't know - seems like a trick question. I have ZERO use for adobe's bug-ridden software, but they seem to be on the front lines for most music and video DRM.

    When I see anything adobe in the html, I know to run away.

    What if everything on the internet WASN'T DRM protected? Gee - I know, I could use the OS that I wanted to see the content that I wanted and would happily pay for it since it wouldn't locked up according to the whim of someone else.

  57. DRM would reduce my income from photo sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a photojournalist. I support user rights and fair use so my images are readily downloadable. When (not if) someone reproduces my work, often on FB, I just send an invoice - I never send a takedown notice. DRM my JPGs would prevent fair use and reduce my income.

  58. DRM is refused here now and later. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My browsers would continue set to refuse DRM. My DVD, game, cable TV & PPV time would continue at 0.

    All my contacts with companies would start with "your have DRMed your web, so now your have the expense of phone contact only. I already do that to some due to Flash based manuals and Flash only webs. Mostly I just send emails about Flash causing me to seek other sellers, other vendors.

    The market for DRM defeat softwares would grow greatly!

    My interest in mesh, VPN and FOSS based communications and FOSS hardware would continue to grow plus I would invest in development of same.
    I would move from old Core 2 Thinkpads to new FOSS, FOSH laptops and spyphones.

  59. I'd create my own internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...with blackjack, and hookers.

    You know where this is going :)

  60. If Internet was DRM protected? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    What would Hhappen if everything on the Internet was DRM protected?

    Minitel would have prevailed!

  61. Well by nnull · · Score: 2

    The same thing I do with idiotic companies that want me to sign a ridiculous NDA with no time limit every time I step into their place. I simply ignore them until they break.

  62. Re:Who cares? Never happen. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I'd have to again drive across town to buy Infomagic CD-ROM boxed sets to get the new distro of Slackware.

  63. Rather pay than be sold as product by rlh100 · · Score: 1

    I would rather pay micro payments than have my personal data sold to advertisers and data harvesting companies. Micro payments on the order of what advertisers pay to show me an ad.

  64. Fair Use is where DRM breaks down... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2

    Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works by allowing certain limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement. Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship. Fair use provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor test.

    The first factor is "the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes." To justify the use as fair, one must demonstrate how it either advances knowledge or the progress of the arts through the addition of something new.

    The second factor takes into consideration the nature of the copyrighted work. Although the Supreme Court has ruled that the availability of copyright protection should not depend on the artistic quality or merit of a work, fair use analyses consider certain aspects of the work to be relevant, such as whether it is fictional or non-fictional...To prevent the private ownership of work that rightfully belongs in the public domain, facts and ideas are not protected by copyright—only their particular expression or fixation merits such protection. On the other hand, the social usefulness of freely available information can weigh against the appropriateness of copyright for certain fixations.

    The third factor assesses the amount and substantiality of the copyrighted work that has been used. In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, the more likely the use will be considered fair...Using most or all of a work does not bar a finding of fair use. It simply makes the third factor less favorable to the defendant. For instance, in Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. copying entire television programs for private viewing was upheld as fair use, at least when the copying is done for the purposes of time-shifting. In Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation, the Ninth Circuit held that copying an entire photo to use as a thumbnail in online search results did not even weigh against fair use, "if the secondary user only copies as much as is necessary for his or her intended use"...However, even the use of a small percentage of a work can make the third factor unfavorable to the defendant, because the "substantiality" of the portion used is considered in addition to the amount used. For instance, in Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises,,[18] the U.S. Supreme Court held that a news article's quotation of fewer than 400 words from President Ford's 200,000-word memoir was sufficient to make the third fair use factor weigh against the defendants, because the portion taken was the "heart of the work." This use was ultimately found not to be fair

    The fourth factor measures the effect that the allegedly infringing use has had on the copyright owner's ability to exploit his original work. The court not only investigates whether the defendant's specific use of the work has significantly harmed the copyright owner's market, but also whether such uses in general, if widespread, would harm the potential market of the original. The burden of proof here rests on the copyright owner, who must demonstrate the impact of the infringement on commercial use of the work.

    Reference: Wikipedia article on Fair Use

    So - there will not be an internet where DRM controls everything because, by the definition defined by the Supreme Court, it can not impede fair use. This of course only applies specifically to the United States of America. Your country may have different laws concerning this subject. (IANAL)

    --

    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
    1. Re:Fair Use is where DRM breaks down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So - there will not be an internet where DRM controls everything because, by the definition defined by the Supreme Court, it can not impede fair use.

      Sigh. Another poster who just doesn't understand fair use.

      Fair use is a *legal defence* against copyright violation. That is *all*. There is *no* legal obligation for anyone to *facilitate* fair use, and no legal redress if fair use is prevented by technical means.
      Your quotation above says exactly that, defining when *you* can use fair use *as a legal defence* when *you* are accused of copyright violation.

      If you're not convinced, consider the fact that *all* existing DRM schemes inhibit fair use to at least some extent - yet none of them have been challenged legally on fair use grounds, because *no such grounds exist*.

  65. Links are also copyrightable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Links are also copyrightable, the links can be DRMed as well. This can prevent cutting and pasting links to content, or even knowing that they are. A hide bit can tell the browser to not let the user even see the link. Publishers can then decide if you can even see the link.

  66. The dark ages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this might sound kind of off, but the DRM web is pushing us further into an ongoing dark age. While some attempts have been made to archive parts of the Internet, we are producing a d losing so much information nowadays that far future generations may know little about us. While future generations may be able to circumvent DRM similar to how science tists examine hieroglyphs, the difficulty of reproducing the content will eventually leave it to be lost forever.

  67. Exactely by aepervius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was , what , 12 ? When I found out my floppy disk original ultima 5 disk stopped working "please insert original". I had started a month before to play around with debug to learn about how to make a ball (actually an ascii O) bounce around a screen. So I went into debug and used it against ultima.com (yes it wasn't even an exe at that time we were still in the 64K segment model). After bypassing the int 3h trap (they were replacing it with a jump to avoid people using it to set a breakpoint) I found out there were about 30 bytes IIRC which were encrypted (started using a single byte key, XOR it against first byte, then add 3 to key, XOR agaisnt next byte etc...). In that XORed area I found out that they were making a strange disk call (can't recall what it was, trying to set it on a track which should not exists but was present on the disk or the contrary) repalced it with 90h / NOP / reencrypted it, exchanged the byte in debug.com write it et voila i could play my legally owned game.

    You never forget your first time ;). It is actually what brought me to in the end land in development. And I doubt any 12 year old would be able to have the same chance or the same start today.

    --
    C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
    visit randi.org
    1. Re:Exactely by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Now that is a sweet krack! Holy crap at age 12 too! Congrats!

      Did you ever find out about the typo in the manual for the "Summon Clone" spell? :-) I used a hex editor (hiew?) to view the bit-fields that tagged what reagents were used for ALL the spells. Turns out the manual had a typo. :-/ Whoopsie-daisy.

      I have two stories to share:

      1. Speaking of XOR protection -- you'll probably want to check out Monkey Island 1 and Monkey Island 2. :-)

      I got stuck in MI1 when you are on the ship. I had the VGA version and there was only 1 data file so I knew all the text had to be in there somewhere. Problem was searching revealed *nothing* which mean the data was either encrypted, or compressed. For all you *nix users this would be the equivalent of "strings MONKEY.001"

      I manually inspected one of the save games and saw that some of the dialogue HAD been included but then I noticed something REALLY strange -- what should have been a lot NULL bytes instead as a constant byte. That got me thinking -- maybe the data file is encrypted with an one byte XOR key?? Wrote a little C program to XOR the data and write it back out. *BOOM!* All the dialog strings in plain ASCII were there. I was able to track down a clue about one of cupboards and able to continue the game. :-)

      Never did get around to patching that SCUMM Virtual Machine / Interrupter to by pass that stupid pirate wheel -- but someone else did -- so they obviously figured out the XOR protection AND decoded the VM instructions.

      > You never forget your first time ;)

      Damn right! Practice safe hex! =P

      My first krack was Copy ][+ on the Apple 2. I'm wonder how many PC krackers started on the Apple 2 / C64 / Atari 400/800 ?

      2. I got a cool Ultima 6 + debug.exe story -- at least I think so.

      On the Apple 2 there was a daughter board peripheral called WildCard that when you pressed a button (it generated a NMI) it would take a snapshot of the entire 64K of memory. This made it trivial to krack games.

      I unfortunately never had one. :-/

      By the time Ultima 6 came out I had switched over to PC programming & gaming. I would often times load up a game in debug.exe and single-step through it to figure out where the copy protection was. I did this for Test Drive III (1990). The NOP trick was definitely the "common krack."

      On the PC side more and more games started being event driven meaning the old single-step method wouldn't work. I recall one day thinking : "Man, if only there was a way to generate a NMI on the PC like that WildCard hardware." After pondering about this for a while and checking "Ralph's Brown Interrupt List" I realized I _already_ had hardware to do this! The mouse driver IRQ 33h interrupts whatever is running whenever a mouse button is pushed!

      So I wrote a TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) assembly program that hooked into the mouse driver -- whenever the mouse button was triggered it would call INT 3 -- to manually trigger "debug.exe". I then loaded my "mkrack.com" program.

      Next, I fired up: debug u6.exe, and typed G to let it rip.

      When the copy protection came up, I pressed my mouse button. After a bit of stack cleanup, 7 instructions IIRC, I was back in the game at the correct CS:IP where the mouse button was pushed!

      Made it trivial to inspect the code, and data, and generate a 1-byte krack like any self-respecting good kracker would do

      > And I doubt any 12 year old would be able to have the same chance or the same start today.

      Indeed. There is SO much extra crap running in the OS, drivers, let alone Game, that would don't have a clue about any of the fundamentals. I still say the last great programmers are the ones who grew up with 8-bit computers and work with 64-bit machines -- because they understand what the machine is doing at the lowest (software) level all the way up to the highest level.

      Krackin

  68. Headline wrong by deep2k · · Score: 1

    What would happen if everything on the internet was DRM infected - TIFIFY

  69. DRM baked in browser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why they decided to have DRM baked into browsers as a standard. I tried to warn you.

  70. Internet would never have developed by paai · · Score: 1

    Forget about DRM of the content. If DRM of e.g., the rfc's (requests for comment; the 'standards' of the internet) had been enforced, the very structure of the internet would have been closed for every developer or hacker that would have wanted to experiment with it and add to it.

    Paai

  71. If DRM Applied to the whole internet by Mordaximus · · Score: 1

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  72. Betteridge's law of headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "No"
    well, rather: "Nooooooo!"

  73. Re:This is why we need to keep Mozilla and Linux f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Retard award for completely off-topic systemd whining.

  74. Aggregation != original reporting by tepples · · Score: 1

    Same way Slashdot paid for it's hosting and submission system.

    As for the former, Slashdot is ad-supported. Wouldn't web advertising platforms also start using digital restrictions management for accounting, to ensure that advertisers pay publishers the appropriate amount for an ad impression of a given quality?

    As for the latter, Slashdot is an aggregator; it doesn't have boots on the ground doing original reporting. Whose job would it be to do the original reporting?

  75. Looping DRM by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Imaging a DRM with an infinite recursive loop causing an infinite amount of debt in order to pay for it!

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  76. No Problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd take a picture of what I wanted to save with my phone. Problem solved. There will always be a workaround.

  77. DRM economically unjust by Jastiv · · Score: 1

    It seems to me things like royalties and micropayments for every time someone downloads something is just a poor excuse for someone to counterfeit and print nearly limitless money at the expense of the rest of us and our freedoms. Ultimately it would just be better to pay people for their time once, not worry about trying to get someone getting more money the more popular a piece of content becomes. This idea that someone should automatically get paid more because a piece of content is more popular doesn't really make sense from an economic and social justice perspective. That said, people who do work that gets more popular could end up getting paid a lot more because they could demand more money per hour for the time they spend making stuff.

  78. Users... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...will understand all the stupidity of SaaS, clouds and DRM verification the very first day the war begins.