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Canada Has Pulled Off a Brain Heist (axios.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Seoul-born Wendy Hui Kyong Chun, a professor at Brown University known for her work on fake news, is moving to Canada. So is Alan Aspuru-Guzik, a Harvard chemistry professor working on quantum computing and artificial intelligence. They are among 24 top academic minds around the world wooed to Canada by an aggressive recruitment effort offering ultra-attractive sinecures, seven-year funding arrangements -- and, Chun and Aspuru-Guzik said in separate interviews with Axios, a different political environment from the U.S. The "Canada 150 Research Chairs Program" is spending $117 million on seven-year grants of either $350,000 a year or $1 million a year. It's part of a campaign by numerous countries to attract scholars unhappy with Brexit, the election of Donald Trump, and other political trends, sweetened with unusually generous research conditions.
Indeed, who could have predicted there would be a worse president than Bush Jr?
Canada is always there when the USA needs them most:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
I know this place has been going downhill for awhile but this is an especially shitty submission even by msmash standards. A handful of academics get a boatload of money to move to canada is proof of a net braindrain in canada's direction and somehow this extends to proof that this is all trump's fault based upon one random comment?
Ireland is attractive because of the culture and language.
The Netherlands is attractive because the working language is English and they have a 30% rule, where for the first 8 years you get the first 30% of your income completely outside the tax system. Also, the Netherlands is very progressive.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
More money spent on science is always a good thing, and discoveries made in any country help us all.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
We can look forward to many, many wonderful academic paper. For example there's the sex life of castrated transexaul protofeminist mental cases. And how about intersectional anarco-feminism of color? How about the emotional stability of carrots and parsnips, their intersectionality with gender veganism. Thank God for Canada!
Given this informed contribution, maybe it's a win-win-situation. Canada acquires a heap of top academics to improve research and development, and to build a better, fairer, more able society, and the US loses an equal number of inconvenient Cassandras and Laocoöns who only speak inconvenient truths that nobody wants to hear. Ignorance is bliss indeed. At least until the Danaans come out of the gift horse....
Stephan
Perhaps you forgot how the economy did just fine in the beginning of the Dubya years, and only imploded somewhere near the end. It kept on doing bad in the beginning of the Obama years, and only started improving somewhere near the end. I wouldn't be so quick to laud Trump's excuses for economic policy...
Some of us like not referencing our driver's licenses to remember which gender we are.
iZombie or The Walking Dead brain heist?
Canada said:
Oh, take off, eh!"
. . . and folks packed their bags wherever they were, and took the next flight to Canada!
Unfortunately, the Brexit campaign was abused by xenophobic folks in the UK to stoke up "foreigners are evil!" elements there. And it worked. Some foreign IT folks that I work with in the UK have told me that they feel like they have hunting targets pinned on their clothes when they go out shopping.
Xenophobia is the new wave in Europe, but the French nipped the racist "National Front" in the bud with the election of Macron. In Germany, the racist AfD got into parliament, but their political influence has been dampened.
In the UK . . . well, a majority voted for Brexit . . . how many did so on anti-foreigner sentiments . . . nobody will talk about.
But, if you are a true believer in democracy . . . it should be right of UK voters to decide to kick out foreigners . . . correct . . . ?
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Oooh, nice by-the-numbers fake news posting. Some kids pose with baseball bats for a cool picture with firm tongue-in-cheek ironic undercurrents, and suddenly you have leftists 'patrolling the campus with baseball bats on a seek-and-destroy mission against "nazis"'.
The best you can say about Trump's economic policies is that he hasn't tanked the economy yet, but is working hard to get there. A trade war with China is only going to hurt both sides, as are the steel tariffs with the rest of the world.
He seems to have assumed that it would be like when it was running a business, with lots of people kissing his ass and eager to do deals. But countries aren't like that, they will resist his shitty deals as much as possible. Maybe the UK will end up with one, due to being weak and desperate post-Brexit, but the other big markets like the EU, Japan and China won't.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Hire a malcontent, get a malcontent.
E Proelio Veritas.
Amusingly, one of the arguments given for voting leave (and the reason that a lot of Indian and Pakistani immigrants voted) was the preferential treatment of Europeans over Asians by the UK immigration system. It's amusing how even the racism in the leave campaign wasn't self consistent, let alone their economic arguments.
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Any president has a year of overlap with the previous one with respect to economics. Trump was elected in November, generally wouldn't pass a budget until about March, and then you have 2-3 quarters before those policies are enacted and the economy feels those policies in earnest. Trump dragged his feet with respect to his first budget, so that shifts the curve. When the economy finally caught up to Trump's big mouth, you not only saw a decline in the market but chaotic fluctuations not seen since the global economic crisis of 2008 and a short hiccup in late 2016/early-2016.
Dubya was able to relish in Clinton's strong economic policies, and Obama kicked off his term facing the aftermath of Dubya's poor economic policies. Trump exploited Obama's economic policies to a ridiculous level to the point of actually trying to take credit for the booming economy during his first year, yet with the Dow down more than 2000 points since Janauary, alone, where's President Shitgibbon to take credit for *that*?
Trump is going to run the country like any of his businesses, which is to say, drive it directly into the ground. We're talking about a man who whent bankrupt selling wine, steak and gambling to the American people. Nothing about that suggests he's a saavy businessman, let alone a capable politician.
Xenophobia is the new wave in Europe, but the French nipped the racist "National Front" in the bud with the election of Macron.
#fakenews
The far-right "Front National" reached the second round of the presidential elections - only the second time ever that they've managed this - and recorded their best ever score - 33.90%.
Seriously, guys, wake up. I live in France. I was not born here. My wife was not born here. The rise of the Front National is a real concern for us. Their popularity is slowly but relentlessly on the rise. Yet I constantly read this rubbish "Woop-woop, high fives, we beat the fascists!". Erm, no, buddy. Pretending that the problem has been solved, does not actually solve it.
But, if you are a true believer in democracy . . . it should be right of UK voters to decide to kick out foreigners . . . correct . . . ?
The UK is a parliamentary democracy. If the UK population voted for an absolutely racist/xenophobic government at a General Election, that would be completely different from a marginal majority in a stupid fucking Referendum that no one took seriously until it was too late.
Voting in such a government would probably start an actual Civil War, but that is another issue.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Mainly by being too incompetent to change too much the society Obama left him.
If he is getting good results, then maybe you should view his incompetence as a positive attribute.
You can't rely on Trump's incompetence, not everyone working for him is also an idiot.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
In the UK . . . well, a majority voted for Brexit . . . how many did so on anti-foreigner sentiments . . . nobody will talk about.
Randomly this reminds me that apparently a large number of people in the UK claimed they voted for it as a joke, thinking it wouldn't go through. ....Never vote as a joke.
The pattern goes even further back. It conclusively disproves the myth that progressive governments would somehow be worse for the economy than conservative ones; in fact, the evidence points in the opposite direction (once you factor in the time it takes before you see the results).
That's not surprising, since he became president in full subprime mortgage crisis, and long term trends point to a permanent slowdown in economic growth in the developed world.
FTFY.
Also, how backward do you have to be to think that coal is still a pillar of the economy? You (and Trump) are stuck in the 1800s, and while you can stand on the brakes of your own country's progress all you want, it won't stop the rest of the world from getting ahead of you. Even less so if you're squandering all your international political capital.
Wrong, there was no surplus, it was all Washington doublespeak. There are two parts to the national debt - public debt and intragovernmental holdings. During the Clinton years the public debt part was paid down by borrowing money in the intragovernmental holdings mostly from Social Security. So the debt was not paid down, excess Social Security funds that by law are required to be re-invested into securities became additional intragovernmental debt. During the Clinton years the national debt total continued to rise:
FY1993 $4.411488 trillion debt
FY1994 $4.692749 trillion debt, increase of $281.26 billion
FY1995 $4.973982 trillion debt, increase of $281.23 billion
FY1996 $5.224810 trillion debt, increase of $250.83 billion
FY1997 $5.413146 trillion debt, increase of $188.34 billion
FY1998 $5.526193 trillion debt, increase of $113.05 billion
FY1999 $5.656270 trillion debt, increase of $130.08 billion
FY2000 $5.674178 trillion debt, increase of $17.91 billion
FY2001 $5.807463 trillion debt, increase of $133.29 billion
FY2001 was Clinton's last budget submitted before Bush took office.
Perhaps you forgot how the economy did just fine in the beginning of the Dubya years, and only imploded somewhere near the end. It kept on doing bad in the beginning of the Obama years, and only started improving somewhere near the end.
Definitively untrue: http://www.taintedalpha.com/wp...
Amusingly, one of the arguments given for voting leave (and the reason that a lot of Indian and Pakistani immigrants voted) was the preferential treatment of Europeans over Asians by the UK immigration system. It's amusing how even the racism in the leave campaign wasn't self consistent, let alone their economic arguments.
There were many reasons why individuals would choose to leave EU, and many for wanting to stay too. Many of the reasons did not follow party lines at all.
It's easy for Americans who are used to polarization to think of it as right versus left and party lines, but that is seldom the case in European politics. Things are far more nuanced, and especially in referendums. A left-leaning English man might have voted for leaving because he felt he paid too much to the EU compared to what England got back, while a right-leaning Scot might think that EU subsidies and incentives for his region were needed for his business, while another Scot might be fed up of London controlling their oil income. It's all varied, and I would guess that only a minority of the votes had anything to do with xenophobia.
Britain is used to high immigration, and people around the world who have Commonwealth passports and rights already. Integration is much better in the UK than in the US, although certainly not perfect. The parts that have immigration fears are quite often left-leaning, not almost all right-leaning like in the US. Sure, you'll find skinhead right-wing supremacists, but they are hardly numerous enough to influence a referendum. Religion plays a much smaller part, and if anything, the Christians are more welcoming, not less like in the US. It's a very different playing field.
Trump's done wonders for the stock markets.
The economy is doing well coincidentally. It takes years for the economy as a whole to react to changes, so Tump's economy is floating on Obama's legacy.
But the stock market is a bellwether. Trump's ridiculous trade war with China is eventually going to tank the economy.
I would never leave Canada to live in the US. And given how shitty our weather is, that speaks volumes...
Obama really does deserve credit for powering the US economy out of the financial crisis. The UK went the opposite way and lost a decade, just the same as Japan did in the 90s. Frustrating as bail-outs are, the alternative is worse.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
They got Jordan Peterson too, from Harvard, though he's from Canada and he went there 20 years ago.
Can confirm. The amount of xenophobic/racist abuse as increased since Brexit. I got screamed at in the street for talking Japanese on the phone a few months back. Some people have been emboldened by what they see as endorsement of their xenophobia, regardless of what proportion of leave voters actually agree with them. I know a lot just fell for the Euro myths and £350m/week for the NHS lies.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Now that US colleges are rolling in an unprecedented flood of money, why aren't they using more of it to make joining the faculty a better deal?
Because that would cut into the pay raises for the administrators and prevent them from spending more money on "campus life" and improvement projects to bring in more students/charge higher tuition so that the school can pay administrators more and spend more money on "improving" the campus. What, you thought college in the US was about teaching and learning?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
In the 80's, several of my best Physics and CS professors were ex-Americans who had fled the draft for the Vietname war in the 60's.
Canada was all the better for it.
However, in the interest of fairness, it should be noted that there's a constant brain drain (rather slower of late) from Canada to the US of talented individuals seeking the greater opportunities that a country as large as the US can offer. This is more of a small flow of academics in the other direction rather than a huge reversal in the regular brain drain to the US.
US colleges prefer to build stadiums and pay coaches millions of $$$. Science? LOL!
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
Dubya was a well-meaning but simple man who was lead astray by some truly evil men (Rumsfeld & Cheney). Trump is evil and stupid but most of all egocentric, which has thus far mostly prevented him from getting the assistance he needs to accomplish very much.
We're only 17 months into the Trump era. At this point in Dubya's reign he hadn't even invaded Iraq yet. Spanky's trade war with China is already slowing the economy. If we make it to 2020 (or God forbid 2024) without invading both Iran and North Korea, THEN I'll agree that he's a better president than Dubya (though still not a better person).
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#fakenews
The far-right "Front National" reached the second round of the presidential elections - only the second time ever that they've managed this - and recorded their best ever score - 33.90%.
Not arguing that FN isn't an issue, but you do realise that the nature of the French presidential run-off system has the potential to create these sorts of overdramatic situations? A more representative level of support for them would be from the first round, where they got 21.3% vs Macron's 24%. If they had got just 1.3% less, or about 10% of Fillon's supports had backed Melenchon instead, then there would have been no 'big drama' in the second runoff.
Also, while Macron gained significant votes from other candidates in the second round, FN did not (when you account for those who voted in the first round but not the second and the 11.5% who nulled their ballots), so they remain a narrow but fervent group on the outside of mainstream French politics. Unless they can fix that, there is (and this was clear during the election) zero chance they can take over the presidency.
It is scary that 1/5 French voters support them, and France needs to deal with this, but there is not about to be a French Brexit/Trump. That part of it was the sensationalist media trying to drum up a story out of nothing.
You should simply look them in the face, then speak pointedly in Japanese, with laughter intermingled. That type of shit drives racists crazy.
My only problem with your post is the "#fakenews" part. Come on, man. Just because someone is wrong doesn't mean that they're "fake news." The whole reason that the American right is trying to use that phrase in the sense you just used it is to water it down so we lose sight of the actual fake news stories that are flooding the internet and confusing the hell out of technologically illiterate baby boomers. By making it a catch-all phrase for anyone who says something that is wrong or biased, we fail to distinguish between merely being wrong and the intentional spread of misinformation.
Yea, if you live in a country where a legal vote has been held, you stay there! I mean, it's not like anyone has ever been moved to a ghetto, thrown out of the country, died, or has had any other horrible thing happen to them as a result of a legal vote... Legal votes are safe!
But, if you are a true believer in democracy . . . it should be right of UK voters to decide to kick out foreigners . . . correct . . . ?
If you are a true believer in democracy then you should have a lot of trouble with the Brexit vote. Several million British citizens living outside the UK, many inside the rest of the EU, were denied the right to vote in the referendum. It is extremely likely that many of them would have voted to remain, especially those in the EU!
There is no doubt that this exclusion was legal. But you cannot exclude several million of your adult citizens from voting on an issue which directly affects them and then pretend that the result is democratic. As someone who has lived in Europe working at the CERN particle physics lab I always felt of myself as an EU citizen first and foremost and this is now being stripped away from me without my having any vote.
Fortunately, I had already moved to Canada before it was fashionable and I have now done my own personal Brexit and am a proud, new Canadian citizen. However, it is still sad to see the country you grew up in having names that are becoming increasingly ironic: "Great" Britain and the "United" Kingdom.
Oh. So now Brexit is a xenophobic thing.
Okay.
Because having economic migrants (not refugees) thrust upon you by the EU is just the way to go.
The UK is already moving towards totalitarianism and state-enforced blasphemy laws.
But the problem is people who object to a class (not a race) of people who come to this country SOLELY for the economic incentives, with NO intention of following existing laws or adapting themselves to the local culture.
Where grooming gangs, pedophiles and rampant lawlessness go unchecked because everyone is afraid of being labeled "racist".
Because national sovereignty is a Bad Thing in the globalist view.
But NOOOOO!
It's racists and xenophobes!
Oh fuck off!
All leftist politicians have very forward-thinking 5 and 10 year plans, conveniently past the next election. They are like the guy daily wearing a sign that the world will end tomorrow...always tomorrow.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
My ultra liberal brother voted for Trump as a joke in the primary, thinking he was fucking over the republican nomination.
Living in the best time line.
Anybody stupid enough to move because of a legal vote- well, that's somebody who isn't likely going to be doing any original research anyway, just derived politically correct bullshit like climate science, string theory, and Women's Studies.
Stuff that the Trump Great America is not interested in funding because there is no profit in it.
The man wen bankrupt running a casino. You know, the place where the odds are always stacked in favor of the house.
Is profit really all we should be interested in? Is breathing clean air and drinking clean water profitable? Is understanding our world and environment profitable? Is understanding the building blocks and mechanisms that underpin our physical reality profitable?
Theses things, among many others, have value that cannot be expressed monetarily. You might consider how many things enable and enrich your life that do not make money for anybody. Or not!
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
What I think is funny is that you post how nuanced the Brexit vote was compared to American politics. You assume that the US is just simply left v right. As an American, I do wonder frequently if the media and people on the coasts tend to think that way myself. But though as a conservative, I did not vote for Trump, I know a lot of people who did. Most of them did not like him overall and would have preferred a stronger candidate. They each had their own reasons voting for him, and though some were "because he's not Clinton", that was a very small number of them. People in the midwest have been ruined by globalization, their jobs long ago sent to China, and he was saying he'd bring them back. Now you may say they're idiots and Trump never will, but when it comes vote time who do you vote for when you're desperate. The guy who says he's going to bring the jobs back or the lady who is explaining why your job being sent to China is good for you?
Did you know about 1/2 of the White population has a below average IQ too?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Funny how dubya didn't get that reaction.
People were talking about moving to Canada under W too. I'm not sure how many actually followed through on it. The thing is, most of us thought W would go down as the worst President in modern history. But then the GOP said, "Hold my beer".
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
By letting the same banks that crashed the economy in the first place to steal millions of homes through fraudclosure? Banks only grew larger and stayed over-leveraged under his watch. Like Obama's decision not to prosecute torturers leading directly to Gina "I tortured some foks" Haspel being nominated to head the CIA, his decision not to prosecute a single bank or banker will lead directly to another economic crisis. And he printed trillions of dollars to loan to banks at 0% interest, instead of helping people that actually work for a living.
Thanks Obama!
The stock market was up due to the prospects of having a non-socialist president, and the repatriation of foreign earnings. Do you really think the economy would have improved under Clinton or Sanders?
Of course it would have. History has shown quite clearly that the economy does better under Democratic administrations.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#27a9d68a6786
https://www.aeaweb.org/research/why-does-the-economy-do-better-democrats-white-house
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Brexit was on of the few victories of the democracy vs the powers who control everything (elections included). Now, they are takin revenge at any cost, any moment any way, This is just another maneouver to hit britain for chosing against New World Order.
Americans, I'd be worried, even if not voted for Trump, seeing how media, social networks and corporations are trying to reverse the election outcome. Democracy is fine, as long as you vote for THEIR candidate, Even if his (or her in this case) plan is to destroy the society.
Integration is much better in the UK than in the US, although certainly not perfect. The parts that have immigration fears are quite often left-leaning, not almost all right-leaning like in the US.
Do you seriously believe this?
The UK, which started dealing with mass migration about 50-60 years ago, is better at integration than the US, a mass-immigrant society from its very beginnings?
Most of what I've read, seen, heard from people etc. suggests the UK is not very good at integrating immigrants at all. Granted, it was much more open to immigration than other European countries and much more welcoming to immigrants initially, but due do that it assumed things would take care of themselves...which resulted in rather poor integration of immigrants, especially some groups (like the South Asians that ended up grouping into ghettos in the cities).
All the traditionally immigrant-based societies that sprung out of the British Empire (Canada, the US, Australia, etc.) are better at integrating immigrants than the UK. Since if they didn't do that well, they wouldn't exist.
That graph shows positive q-o-q change beginning Q3 2009, only 2 quarters after Obama took office. So you are correct, it did not "only started improving somewhere near the end" of the Obama years.
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
though some were "because he's not Clinton", that was a very small number of them
Isn't "small" a rather strange way of saying "most?"
Wow, this post is amazing! The historical parallels are beautiful! Bravo, mod parent Interesting!
Now it's PC/SJW science instead of Jewish Science, and this time it's climate science, string theory and women's studies instead of Einstein's theories of relativity, Heisenberg's theories of quantum mechanics, and Freud's organized psychoanalysis. And now likewise, those scientists are taking refuge in other countries.
This is amazing, it's almost like being able to use a time machine to visit Germany in the '30s.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
That word...I do not think it means what you think it means.
Providing stable, long-term funding so that established, high-profile researchers can bring their projects and research programs to Canada doesn't really look like a sinecure; they're not getting paid to do nothing. The $350,000 or $1 million per year funding for these positions isn't handed over as a lavish salary; it's support to allow researchers to hire staff, buy equipment, and maintain their labs. It's a fairly long-term arrangement as these things go - the NIH's R01 grants contemplate up to 5 years, and many sources of money are 3 or fewer years, or one-offs - but it's not ludicrous.
~Idarubicin
Agreed. How do I put this succinctly? America has gone too far down the road of "instant gratification" and a LOT of people don't understand that shit doesn't happen instantly. Like the entire US economy. Sure, the stock markets "react" to policy changes, but the "economy" is a machine and it takes a long time to feel the effects of changes to the policies that drive it.
So the dumbasses that seem to make up the majority of the population, fed on decades of TV ads promising them that their life will be fantastic instantly if they only bought {whatever} think that a president can alter the economy instantly and that if something good or bad happens then the person in charge must be 100% responsible for it.
Worse? These fuckwits are now often seen in senior positions in US corporations and believe that knee-jerk reactions trump long-term strategy. This does not bode well for US competitiveness long-term.
As a colleague of mine has put it multiple times: The Chinese are playing chess. Trump is playing Donkey Kong. Thing is it is not just Trump. He is just symptomatic of the larger problem of a country that has lost its way.
I am not interested in articles about life extension advancements.
Seriously, guys, wake up. I live in France. I was not born here.
Then you should understand the political system a bit better. In multi-round elections you typically end up with a lovely split between parties. The second round will then bring out people opinion for or against one of the two candidates. A vote for FN isn't a vote for their policies but could be a number of things. A vote in their confidence, a vote for their policies, a vote that dislikes the opposition without any knowledge of the FN.
You say 33.9% is their best score yet in a second round? A better way of looking at it would be that it is the second lowest vote from a party in a second round since direct elections were introduced in France, and the only party to ever score was was ... themselves in 2007.
That is a phenomenal vote of no-confidence in the party. Out of 96 departments of France she was most popular in only 2. Out of the 18 regions she won 0.
You have no cause for concern.
Um, the CBO would disagree with you. Or, rather, disagree the random conservative weblogger you're using as a source. Let us look at their "The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2010 to 2020" document, which also has historical data going back decades:
* https://www.cbo.gov/publication/41880?index=10871
Let's start with Summary Figure 2, "Total Revenues and Outlays", where the Revenues line goes above the Outlays line. Then we have Figure 1-1, "The Total Deficit or Surplus, 1970 to 2020", where the line goes above 0 (i.e., a surplus). Finally there's table F-2, "Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, Surpluses, and Debt Held by the Public, 1970 to 2009, as a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product", where the years are 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001 have a "Total" (Deficit or Surplus) that is positive in surplus.
And even if your (blogger's) numbers were correct, it would mean that Clinton manage to reduce the deficits by almost 95%. Not a bad accomplishment in its own right.
For all their bluster about fiscal conservativism, the GOP never bother being fiscal conservatives. All they seem to do when they get into power is cut revenues (i.e., taxes for the folks at the top percentiles of income (trickle down!)), and increase military spending.