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Trump Proposes Rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership (nytimes.com)
According to The New York Times, "President Trump told a gathering of farm state lawmakers and governors on Thursday morning that he was directing his advisers to look into rejoining the multicountry trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source)." The TPP was a contentious issue during the 2016 presidential election as both Democrats and Republicans attacked it. After signaling during the election that he would pull out of the trade deal "on day one" of his presidency, Trump followed through with his plans. From the report: Rejoining the 11-country pact could be a significant change in fortune for many American industries that stood to benefit from the trade agreement's favorable terms and Republican lawmakers who supported the pact. The deal, which was negotiated by the Obama administration, was largely viewed as a tool to prod China into making the type of economic reforms that the United States and others have long wanted. Both Democrats and Republicans attacked the deal during the president campaign, but many business leaders were disappointed when Mr. Trump withdrew from the agreement, arguing that the United States would end up with less favorable terms attempting to broker an array of individual trade pacts and that scrapping the deal would empower China.
Mr. Trump's decision to reconsider the deal comes as the White House tries to find ways to protect the agriculture sector, which could be badly damaged by the president's trade approach. The risk of an escalating trade war with China has panicked American farmers and ranchers, who send many of their products abroad. China has responded to Mr. Trump's threat of tariffs on as much as $150 billion worth of Chinese goods by placing its own tariffs on American pork, and threatening taxes on soybeans, sorghum, corn and beef. Many American agriculturalists maintain that the easiest way to help them is to avoid a trade war with China in the first place. And many economists say the best way to combat a rising China and pressure it to open its market is through multilateral trade deals like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which create favorable trading terms for participants.
Mr. Trump's decision to reconsider the deal comes as the White House tries to find ways to protect the agriculture sector, which could be badly damaged by the president's trade approach. The risk of an escalating trade war with China has panicked American farmers and ranchers, who send many of their products abroad. China has responded to Mr. Trump's threat of tariffs on as much as $150 billion worth of Chinese goods by placing its own tariffs on American pork, and threatening taxes on soybeans, sorghum, corn and beef. Many American agriculturalists maintain that the easiest way to help them is to avoid a trade war with China in the first place. And many economists say the best way to combat a rising China and pressure it to open its market is through multilateral trade deals like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which create favorable trading terms for participants.
The big orange shit gibbon made his choice, and now he can live with it. That idiot thinks the entire world revolves entirely around him.
This is why I don't worry about President Trump if the democrats recover the house (and in in the unlikely event they recover the senate too).
He will immediately throw the republican party under the bus to join the winning side.
He has no principles except, "Make money for Trump", "Avoid russia revealing whatever it is they have on Trump", and "Have affairs with women who look like Ivanka as long as I can get it up."
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Both Democrats and Republicans attacked the deal during the president campaign, but many business leaders were disappointed when Mr. Trump withdrew from agreement
Try English, BeauHD.
The entire purpose of TPP was to create a countervailing economic force against China's influence in Asia and the world economy. That was obvious to anyone who read even a few pages about TPP, but of course that's too much to ask of someone who is unwilling to read even a single page of non-bulleted text:
"Trump said he likes his briefings short, ideally one-page if it's in writing. "I like bullets or I like as little as possible. I don't need, you know, 200-page reports on something that can be handled on a page. That I can tell you."
...how he thinks the other 11 countries, who went ahead without the US and have completed a deal of their own, are going to suddenly reopen negotiations just because he wants them to.
Trump: I'll Ditch TPP Trade Deal on Day One of My Presidency
You can never predict, from week to week, what his position on something will be. So before we all overreact - either in favor, or against - let's see if this actually is a sign his position is changing, or just another off-the-cuff remark his assistants will be walking back in the next few days.
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Pulling out of the TPP was the one thing that i actually agreed with Trump on and that i was happy he followed through on.
However my concern was about the IP chapter of the provisions, which the EFF (among others) took a firm stance against.
However since the US pulled out of the TPP the remaining countries had to negotiate a new treaty, the "Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership", or CPTPP.
At first glance it seems like most of the offensive portions on IP law were removed from the CPTPP. (Which isn't that surprising, since most of those items were favored by the large media conglomerates located in the US, and with the US out of the deal they probably no longer had a strong champion.)
_If_ that is indeed true, and _if_ the negotiations necessary for the US to join wouldn't involve reinstating those terms, i would tentatively be in favor of this, but it wouldn't break my heart if Trump flip-flops on the issue again or the other signatories no longer have any interest in letting the US in.
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I'm liking the new completely unhinged, pants-shitting crazy Donald Trump. It's like watching John Belushi's last films. You knew he wasn't going to last much longer, and nothing could be done to save him from himself, but it was going to be an entertaining ride down to the end.
For example, yesterday Trump tweeted out this:
"Get ready Russia" is not something you want to hear Trump saying in the context of "nice and new and "smart"" missiles".
So, today, of course, he said:
Wait, what? Dude, you literally said, "the missiles are coming". WTF? And a few hours before that,
So now the President of the United States is cutting promos for Hannity.
This is just the best.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The President's salary is a pittance compared to the wealth that can be generated by virtue of holding the office. That is true even for the most scrupulous office holder.
Still trying to understand why this is on slashdot. News for financial wonks?
The TPP comes with plenty of technology-related changes as well, especially in the realm of copyright law and copyright protection.
The presidential salary, at over $400,000 a year, is still a pretty healthy salary. Whether he can make more by virtue of holding his office alone is irrelevant... that's still well over one and a half million dollars more that he could have chosen to accept for this term as president, but has chosen not to.
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It's worth noting that Trump is has declined to accept a salary while being president.
ROFL. He makes more than his salary would be by renting golf carts to the Secret Service.
Stop being programmable.
What possible leverage could the US possibly have to re-join the TPP after Trump exited it with such fanfare?
But if we don't let the US back in, how will Trump howl and scream how unfair it is to American workers and pull out of it again next month?
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Trump already knows that TPP is a sellout to our own national interest
Trump used to criticize TPP as such
And now Trump wants to sign on to TPP?
Looks like Trump is preparing to sellout our own national interest, just like the D.C. Swamp
oh you are a funny one, it costs $200,000 an hour to fly Air Force One, so Trump spends the equivalent of his entire salary flying one-way to Mar A Lago...
The salary is irrelevant when his policies are leading directly to overspending, under-taxing and trillion dollar annual deficits.
for an industry leader that is not a healthy salary. Sure it looks great to your average worker but for someone in his position it is nothing. Hell even where I work here it is only a mid level manager salary that anyone above would laugh at. He would be getting more than that from the government expenditure everytime he visits one of his properties for a game of golf.
They should say that the US can come back into the TPP but only into the deal as it currently stands (i.e. the one that everyone else agreed to after removing a bunch of stuff that only really benefited a bunch of big US corporations)
Whether the rest of us like his childish attitude and tantrums, the reality is the US is a sizable Market and good trade agreements make everyone better off. But I think they will certainly have lost a lot of their leverage since the agreement succeeded without them when many thought it would fail
That cost wouldn't come out of the presidential salary, so again... it's still money he's chosen to not get.
How much disregard he has for other people's money is beside the point... if all he really cared about was money, he'd still be drawing the president's salary in addition to all of the other benefits he receives as president.
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Do we need leverage to join an existing treaty? We'd need leverage to renegotiate, of course, but it's likely we could just step into the treaty actually signed.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I'm not suggesting that Trump needs the salary in any way, or that it even represents a significant sacrifice on his part to give it up.... I'm saying that if all he actually care about was getting money for himself, then he clearly would not have declined to accept a salary, however small it might be compared to other revenue streams.
He doesn''t stand to make any *more* money than he already would have by refusing a salary, so the accusation that he's only doing this for the money doesn't make any sense.
The fact that he's otherwise a complete asshat whose arrogance and stupidity is unmatched by any president that I can ever recall seeing in my lifetime is beside the point.
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I'm not disputing that... but that's still "chicken feed" he chose to not accept... in truth, if he were really only interested in getting as much money for trump as he could, he wouldn't have turned the salary down, because he'd still be getting all of those other benefits anyways, *PLUS* getting a salary on the side.
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To be fair, all the other TPP countries heaved a huge sigh of relief when Mr. Trump pulled the US out of the deal, as all the bits that were impossible to sell back home came from the US.
From what I understand mostly around particularly harsh copyright nonsense. It's hard to know though, because of the secrecy surrounding the whole deal, as if the people involved were ashamed of it or something.
China is also a sizeable market, and it middle class is growing.
China has significant influence in Asia.
Asia accounts for 60% of the worlds population, the USA 4%.
China's economy will soon be bigger than the USA's
Getting freer access into the Chinese market will be of significantly greater benefit long term than the USA's
WRONG.
There are a lot of tradeoffs between countries for various segments of the economy , for example agriculture.
The TPPA was a trade agreement, not a free trade agreement.
There is no good reason for the TPPA to allow the US back in, China would be the better choice, its middle class is growing, the US's is shrinking.
That's the worst part of it, the copyright and IP craziness. But given this is a report from the NYT I wouldn't put much stock in it. They've a long list of stuff that was leaked to them that turned out to be wrong. A lot of it is Trump's team stirring the pot. They thrive on chaos.
Are you really that gullible? The US Government is paying around $130,000 per month (It's an 18mo lease) to rent a 4000ft^2 spot in Trump Tower, and that's about 2x what everyone else is paying for a similar spot.
So you're right. He gave up $1.5 million over 4 years for $1.5 million per year. Now let's talk about how much it costs for him to live at one of his country clubs on weekends and holidays? Do you think he's giving the US Government a deal there, too?
Of course he might be doing it to impress certain people, but that means that impressing those people is more important to him than that money.
Which is my point... he clearly cares about other things than just making money for himself, even if the other things he cares about are no less self-serving.
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Pulling out of the TPP was the one thing that i actually agreed with Trump on and that i was happy he followed through on.
Indeed, though something told me it wasn't going to last. Australian Liberals are to blame, they started pushing the TPP with Japan and it gained momentum from there.
This is the play, say it's dead so everyone lets their guard down and then push it through while the politicians high five each other about how skillfully they deceived the electorate. It's difficult to believe that any of them read all 6000 pages of the TPP. As for public debate - hahahahha, what's that?
As for the IP provisions of the TPP, I wrote an analysis of that in the 1000 pages I got through for the concerned politicians who initiated a joint standing committee. I only had time to delve into the things that would affect me, I suspect they will affect most people here the same way, keeping in mind that if you think the TPP was secrective, TISA that draws up laws affecting the banking sector is even worse.
The TPP and TISA are possibly the worst agreements I've ever seen and while I read it I couldn't help thinking how bad it would be for people of any country that has to comply with its provisions. People should read as much of the TPP that they can stomach and draw their own conclusions so I'll post sections after this thread so people can jump to those sections and see for themselves. I welcome people to copy my analysis if they wish and refer it to whichever of their representatives they deem fit.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Of course not.
But if he were actually out to make money for himself, he would still take the salary, because he'd still have all of the other benefits anyways.
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I see you've been wondering for a whole 3 minutes now, so I'll put you out of your misery...
He earns my praise for the aspects of his behavior favoring globalism
let's all judge people by their behavior
Nullius in verba
Perhaps it's escaped your attention that those costs of a million and a half per year would have existed if he taken a salary anyways... so in the end, he's still giving up that salary.
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Not knowing the specifics of US disclosure requirements, I would suspect that receiving a government salary would require more disclosure of other income and assets.
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Honourable Members of the Committee,
There is no more appropriate framing for context for the TPP than an anonymous poem from the 1700's:
They hang the man and flog the woman
That steal the goose from off the common
But let the greater villain loose
That steal the common from the goose
This surprising wisdom from our past innocently unveils the nature of the TPP which, disguised as a trade agreement, contains a scaffolding for laws that converts the rights of ordinary citizens to capital. Indeed, optimal implementation of the TPP and it's associated agreement TISA seek the right for Limited Liability Companies, Incorporated businesses and Corporations to convert "The Common" into capital.
It's very construction has sought to avoid any public scrutiny and has been carried out in secret for years. It's product is a monolithic 6000 page agreement presented to the Parliament in a manner, rushed if possible, that has sought to avoid the scrutiny of Government bodies whose purpose is to analyse if it is in the Public good. With impunity the purveyors of the TPP have desperately sought to avoid the scrutiny of the general public and many organisations committed to maintaining many public interests.
How can any reasonable person conclude that such an agreement has been constructed with good will towards the very communities it seeks to interact with, the populous of our country and indeed the populous of every country that is a signatory.
It is disappointing that our elected representatives have passed this treaty without allowing the public more time to absorb it's ramifications. This entire treaty should be rejected and removed from further consideration as a treaty that our country has to abide by.
Our Constitution says that we are to be governed by the principles of 'Responsible Government'. How can ratifying a treaty into law that allows for profit entities to bypass the community standards be 'Responsible Government'? Indeed, from that perspective how is implementing the TPP compatible with the principles of our Constitution? Is it responsible to pass a treaty that has avoided the scrutiny of the many competent organisations that have the capability to asses it? How can it be Constitutional to allow corporate members of the community to bypass the Judicature of our country in a manner that effectively abdicates our sovereignty? The TPP seeks to do this by introducing articles that seek to control the behaviour of our nation's government via mechanisms that punish the taxpayer for passing law made for the good of the community.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
There is only tacit recognition of the public domain and it's importance to commerce and the global economy. In fact it is public domain software, known as "Open Source" software (Source code being a concept mentioned in the Electronic Commerce section) that is responsible for the existence of the modern Internet and both major phone platforms.
Some licences are permissive and others are not. These licences exist for a reason selected by the creators of software so that the software created is only used in certain ways intended by the authors of the software.
A confident Open Source sector is the basis of many success stories such as Google, Apple and Atlassian. Protection of Open Source licences fosters innovation in a country and generates economic activity. This type of software can also be prior art in the construction of new types of invention. Modern industry is built on Open Source software, considering its criticality, it should enjoy the same protections afforded to performing artists as set out in the same Chapter 18.69 because, in essence, it is exactly the same thing.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Investor State Dispute Mechanisms facilitate means for corporations to bypass the laws of the communities they operate in. The TPP seeks to place these entities beyond the reach of the law in a manner that threatens the very structure of our democracy. This is by far the most troubling article amongst so many other troubling things that the TPP seeks to achieve.
How is it responsible government to even entertain the possibility of the taxpayer compensating for profit entities for having to comply with community standards that have been expressed in the very laws the people of our country have asked our representatives to create? our country is not only liable for a complaining parties profit, but also has to provide them with a plan of how our country intends to modify it's legal system to favour the complainers profit margins and compensate them until it is done.
In the contexts of ISDS law is reduced to nonconformity, nullification and impairment to be removed holding our entire legal system in disdain.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Small Business do not have access to the ISDS process to settle disputes with larger business. Small business is not excluded from participating in the TPP's benefits however it is specifically excluded from dispute settlement mechanisms. The possibility of larger businesses enforcing monopolistic practices has to be considered as a consequence of this lack of access.
Transparency and AntiCorruption Chapter 26 It is guiling that the TPP forces our country to provide advance notice and a reasonable opportunity for interested parties to comment on any matter of law covered by the agreement when the public was denied this very opportunity with the implementation of the TPP.
Under the TPP interested parties have 60 advance notice on a proposed act of law introduced to the parliament, an additional period for analysis and parliament must explain the purpose of the law.
The public was granted 30 days to review the 6000 pages of the TPP, no period for analysis and offered no explanation of how the Chapters, articles and clauses would affect them.
Other articles offer the pursuit of public officials but not their private counterparts.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
He'd be making that anyways, even if he took a salary.... you can't argue that he's actually making any *MORE* money by not taking a salary.
He's making less. Not much less perhaps, looking at it in comparison to other money which may be involved... but still less.
Which is my entire point.
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TPP with the USA in it was an awful agreement that had all kinds of harsh copyright nonsense. Most of it got scrapped when the USA pulled out. There is no way in hell it will go back in and that's good for Canadians and Americans. His trade war threats have forced us to seriously consider diversifying our exports and his general demeanor has led to an influx of talent into Canadian companies. I'm hoping his lack of focus on anything has meant that other countries in the Americas can adopt more sane drug laws. Despite all his chest beating he actually hasn't gotten America involved in any new wars. That's thousands of young men and women that can vacation in Canada and buy our goods.
See here. This in turn makes it easier to outsource. The reason TPP was and is so unpopular is that it's designed to make it easier to outsource jobs. Especially tech jobs, like the ones people here on /. have.
TPP is no friend of the American worker. Which is why I'm not at all surprised a wealthy plutocrat like Trump would favor it. What I am surprised is how much the Trump presidency is beginning to look like the Hilary presidency. If you'll recall she was in favor of TPP until pressure from the Bernie wing made her drop it.
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It's worth noting that Trump is has declined to accept a salary while being president.
That's only because he would have had to pay taxes on it.
for outsourcers. There are provisions designed to protect their investments. The lack of those protections is one of the main things keeping jobs here in the states. TPP is no friend of me, or anyone else who works in tech. And this being /. that should be most of us.
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it was bad for workers, and Trump ran on a pro worker campaign. It'll lead to more outsourcing, which was his #1 issue.
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Still trying to understand why this is on slashdot. News for financial wonks?
The TPP comes with plenty of technology-related changes as well, especially in the realm of copyright law and copyright protection.
Including Chinese IP -- packets, as well as TCP packets. They're much cheaper than US packets, even if you feel like re-sending them an hour later.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Nobody "makes money from the Presidency" from the salary. The salary is smaller than some programmers earn around Silicon Valley.
Trump has, from day one, refused to separate himself from his businesses. The Secret Service, for example, has paid several million dollars to Mar a Lago, and he's also earned tens (maybe hundreds) of millions from people paying (now higher) membership fees to Mar a Lago so they can get access to him.
That's just one of his businesses, and he's making the money not from his name or reputation, but directly from abusing his power as President.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
"are" != "will be". The word "are" is used in the present tense here.
So? "Simple Present for Future Events" and "Present Continuous for Future Arrangements" give examples of English present acting as future, such as "We are having a staff meeting next Monday." Thus in this context, the English tense distinction is more one of past as opposed to non-past.
Lovely. Next he is requesting to join the EU partnership program next to tunesia, turkey and south africa. Why work out a mutual trade agreement when you can also join an established one?
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Nobody "makes money from the Presidency" from the salary. The salary is smaller than some programmers earn around Silicon Valley.
Um, no The POTUS salary is $400k/year. That's well over half the top salary for a Silicon Valley programmer.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
if he took a salary, hew would be admitting that he is employed (by the people of the United States) to do a job. That implies some sort of obligation, and the idea of being obliged is inimicable to him. He sees himself as having 'done a deal' with the people of the united states, and that deal does not include him being personally obliged to act on their behalf. He agreed to do certain things, they agreed to vote for him, that's the deal. He didn't make mention of the other things, such as using the presidency to his own fiduciary benefit and enrich himself and his family, how is that YOUR business?
The US can't win against China, but they can choose how much to lose. That was what (the original) TPP was about, accepting a small loss over a big one. The legacy of the US century is that that the US owns a substantive amount of IP - that is what the US sought to protect via the TPP. They made concessions on labour because they are going to lose that battle anyway. Pick the battles you can win. Without the TPP, Asian labour is still cheaper, and they still outcompete the US on every export market. IP is money for nothing. And Trump threw it away.
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I would be fun to see Trump put a 50% tariff on electronic devices from China
It would force all the "designed in USA, made in China" companies to move manufacturing back to USA
But the USA economy is still currently larger than China, despite 325M vs 1.4B population.
$61,000 GDP per capita vs $8,500 per capita.
China's GDP growth has recently gone flat for the last year, USA is still going up.
http://statisticstimes.com/eco...
https://www.focus-economics.co...
http://www.imf.org/external/da...
China growth 6.5% US growth 2.3%
http://fortune.com/2018/02/23/...
President Trump didn’t quite get the 3% GDP boost he was hoping for in 2017, but at 2.3%, the U.S. economy is chugging along. Meanwhile, India and China soared more than 6%, and overall global growth saw a 2.9% increase.
There's the Justice Democrats. There's Bernie. There's Liz Warren. We had Alan Grayson until the 1%ers burried him because he was a credible threat that didn't back down (and had a few minor skeletons). There was Al Franklin until the right wing of the party ate him alive for a few dirty jokes (mostly so they could eliminate him from competition for the presidency).
The left wing is trying to take the party back from the Clintonians. Show up to your primary and help them do it.
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So, you are impressed because you don't understand math? He saved ~$15 million by passing tax cuts for himself. That alone will cover more than his salary. He's a con man, and an essential component of any con is misdirection.
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Lol! The irony of this comment could collapse the Earth into a black hole. If we're not careful we could easily hit hypocritical mass.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Yeah, you keep saying that over and over, but it's still just as nonsensical as the first time. The whole reason he turned down the salary is exactly so people like you would be gullible to believe that he doesn't care about money.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
You seem to believe you've contradicted the previous post, whereas you've actually confirmed it. Logic fail.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
A bit like the it's going to be in a few years when the UK decides it didn't really want to Brexit from all those cushy concessions it once had, only to find that Breentry is not going to get them back.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So by "soon be bigger than the USA's" you mean, maybe 20 years?
How would an agreement which China doesn't agree to place restrictions on the Chinese?
The same way that any other agreement between you and me to do (or not to do) certain things with respect to a third party would affect that third party?
And aren't you glad you posted AC?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
The US may have undermined the interests of the Walt Disney company but at least not the American people.
Hashahahahhahha.
Oh man, yer killing me.
He turned down a tiny salary well under a million dollars and is directly transferring millions of dollars from the government to his own pockets every time he goes golfing. I think the total is over 20 million dollars now.
Wait... I'll look up what he "turned down"...
$400,000
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-...
in december it was already at least 6.6 million.
plus he doubled cost of membership, raised the cost per night for rooms, and foreign countries have lined up to book lodging at his hotels.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
I worked for a CEO that was dyslexic and hated dealing with information through email, he was a face to face guy with short attention span. I see many similarities here. I learned with people like this, you really need to get stuff in writing because they fuck you verbally and blame memory later when they're caught. I think Comey learned that as well.
Yeah. He sacrifices $400k so that people like you will keep parroting for him, meanwhile he blows something like $13m/year of taxpayer money just on trips to his golf courses. Never mind the $11m he gets from the estate tax changes, and who knows how many tens or hundreds of millions he gains thanks to the rest of the disaster they called a tax bill.
They have the leverage of being the largest economy in the world (for now.) What the US has likely given up though is their ability to control (and in some cases, dictate) terms of the agreement since its already signed and done. They might get some tweaks for themselves (especially in per-country addenda where some subset of the signatories agree to basically a mini-treaty on the side) but its extremely unlikely that the US would be able to say, re-inject their draconian version of the IP chapter at this point.
I'm not disputing that... but that's still "chicken feed" he chose to not accept...
No, it's chicken feed he said he wouldn't accept. Of course he'll take it, dummy.
Maybe. #PresidentTweety is rejecting his salary as president and he isn't working for the voters, especially the majority who voted against him, but not even for the voters who were suckered and conned into voting for him. In that sense, rejecting the salary is more than an advertising gimmick, but an actual last gasp of honesty. However, if I had to bet on it, I'd bet that he changed his mind and kept the money after all. It's all there in those tax returns that he wants us to never see.
Actually, I think the real reason he loves Putin is because of the divide and conquer thing, though Putin doesn't use it so much within his own country. No need.
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The thing is, from the point of view of some countries (mostly European)...
1. They need environmental standards. No more maxing out pollution to be competitive.
2. Labor standards. No more practical slaves to be more competitive.
...that's exactly how the US looks to us.
(And you could add "health-safety" as an laternative sub-point to number 1.
"No more mixing hazardous substance to keep competitive prices".
From the US perspective : see all the shit that can be mixed into Chinese plastics
From the EU perspective : see US attempting to reverse some bans against tobacco products).
And that's where your number 3 kicks in :
3. Investor-state dispute. People (especially hard-liberals) see companies-able-to-sue-governments and turn on their "burrrr corporations baddd!" brain. But this is exactly what would've been needed in all the cases where China stole US company IP. Or required joint-ventures. Or subsidized and/or spied for their own domestic companies.
To the US, this looks like an useful tool to sue whole countries like China that don't give a fuck about pollution/health safety/legal quasi-slavery.
(yeah, and also the bits about patents).
To the EU, this looks like an open door for corporations to sue European countries which have much higher standards regarding pollution/health safety/legal quasi-slavery. (Again, see precedent of US companies acting against tobacco bans).
And would also give a way to US companies to complain about controversial IP laws (like software patent. US companies having a way to sue country on IP grounds would open a way to bring more (the non hardware parts) of the H265/HEVC patent madness to Europe).
1. People who just think globalization is bad because reasons.
Above are a few example of the reasons.
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The whole point of TTIP and TPP was to unite the major trade nations under a common set of rules and use this huge market power to force china to open its market and comply to a long list of standards.
The US is simply to small to force anything on anyone all alone.
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I bet he heard on Fox News that someone said TPP had benefits and swoosh...one tweet later this is the new policy. It is utterly frustrating that a nation like the US votes such a dimbulb into the WH and then fails to get him out.
Oops, you're right. Proof-reading fail, actually. I meant to say 'well over double.' And that is consistent with the link I gave.
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He has no other principles, but he does have other *needs*. And one of those needs is adulation. The value of adulation from his base in not accepting his salary is less than the value of the salary for Trump. Especially as he can make orders of magnitude more money out of the presidency through other methods, such as officials of other nations and of companies staying at his properties to curry favour.
More than, not less than. Whoops
It's hard to know though, because of the secrecy surrounding the whole deal, as if the people involved were ashamed of it or something.
Oops, that almost seems like something bad that has nothing to do with Trump. Careful there, pardner!
Democrats supported TPP because it pushed environmental and labor protections into countries not otherwise interested in them. It did some (not enough - but then we are dealing from a position of weakness so some was all we could hope for) to contain China and quite a bit to protect IP. Trump was against it because the Dems were for it. The only constant in todays GOP is "if Dems are for it we are against it!" they have no other postion on anything they will actually keep. The morons who voted for hair furor knew nothing of the agreement, only that they had been feed a line of shit by radio & TV talkers spewing the Republican line. They got suckered but we knew that was going to happen. Now that it is too late, now that TPP is fucked up Dump wants to come crawling back to it. And those same talkers will tell the morons this reversal is all Obama's fault & they will eat it up because apparently they love to eat shit
Yeah - people still don't understand that Trump does actually negotiate. He just forces us to start from a position of strength.
It use to annoy me that the reblicans would open with compromises already in place and the democrats would ask for exactly what they wanted - if not more. This gave the democrats room to compromise without looking too weak and the reblicans no room to compromise without totally selling out.
Trump starts on the extreme (deport everyone here illegally!) then works his way to a middle ground (even if that middle ground is more "extreme" than what we are use to. He even offer a pathway to citizenship last time around but the democrats are used to getting so much more of what they want (or crushing a bill, getting nothing but blaming republicans) that they have no idea how to deal with this new tactic.
Which is my point... he clearly cares about other things than just making money for himself, even if the other things he cares about are no less self-serving.
I, for one, agree with you. If Trump's goal was simply to make money, he would probably be better at it. And it is true that Trump has donated his Salary from his first 15 months in office to various government organizations. In fact there is a ceremony (that likely costs far more than $100k to organize) every 3 months for him to unveil his magnanimous gifts, which are sometimes made to the very same departments he's attempting to cut funding for in his budget recommendations...
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Just to be factual, Trump has publicly donated his salary from his first 15 months back to various government departments. I would strongly suspect it's because $100k is a pretty cheap price for Trump to gather a crowed of people to coo and ahh over his "generosity" and to praise him. You see, Trump is not all about the money, he's actually not very good a making money compared to other business people (Paris Hilton and the Olson Twins seem to be quite a bit better at it, for example), Trump is all about his ego.
It seems Trump doesn't actually want to make money, he wants to win. Sometimes that means making money, sometimes that means screwing other people over to make himself feel better, sometimes that means giving generously (or at least promising to give generously) to some group that he's sure will say nice things about him in response. It certainly seems like it's all about Trump, in his world no one else seems to matter except as props to make him feel good.
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Trump was worth even less than 3% approval rating among the Republican voters two years before he was a candidate.
Your point?
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Because you live in an alternate universe? In the real world, Trump has a 53% disapproval rating.
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People discussing whether or not Trump's goal as President is to make himself rich.
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There is no good reason for the TPPA to allow the US back in, China would be the better choice, its middle class is growing, the US's is shrinking.
That's not entirely true. The U.S. is still a big market and the TPP countries would like to have lowered trade barriers to that market, so I think it's more accurate to say that there's no reason for the TPP countries to allow either the U.S. or China in to the agreement without either country make concessions to the TPP countries.
On the other hand, we don't know if Trump is only saying this because the last person he talked to said the TPP was a good thing.
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"For any senator who wants to study the draft TPP language, it has been made available in the basement of the Capitol, inside a secure, soundproof room. There, lawmakers surrender their cellphones and other mobile devices. Any notes taken inside the room must be left in the room.
Only aides with high-level security clearances can accompany lawmakers. Members of Congress can't ask outside industry experts or lawyers to analyze the language. They can't talk to the public about what they read. And Brown says there's no computer inside the secret room to look something up when there's confusion. You just consult the USTR official."
A Trade Deal Read In Secret By Only A Few (Or Maybe None)
I think you meant to respond to the parent?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Along with movie & music industries. The heavy software giants like Microsoft, Adobe, Activision, Oracle, etc. Then there is the big patent holders like GE, IBM, Intel, Dell, HP, Boeing, Lockheed, Ford, Montesano, etc. Oh, I forgot the tradesecret people like Coke, Pepsi, DuPont, McDonalds, WD-40, trading algorithms, etc.
Those were just off the top of my head. And I probably just named the set of companies that impact the employment of a good 1/3 of the US.
Very often, the money donated results in influence, power, cronyism, or nepotism, and is then discounted via tax breaks. A lot of charities wrote in favor of Comcast consuming everything on Earth because they wrote them a check. Yes, mindlessly donating money doesn't save you money, but charity is very much exploitable through various tricks.
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He's better than anything I see on the Dem side right now. BTW... who the hell is running the Democratic party? Seems to be a bus with no driver. They're also bankrupt last I knew.
Fuck that, they need to run The Rock. He very well could be wealthier than Trump, actually works hard, well liked, and also travelled the world. Seriously, if they don't put up Elizabeth Warren, they need to put up The Rock.
The purpose of copyright is not to preserve profit. The purpose of copyright is to stimulate art. And the purpose of art - in the context of governance - is to contribute to culture. When copyright stopped expiring because of the Walt Disney company's lobbying, they undermined the entire purpose of copyright. All of those large copyright holders you mention are benefiting from a broken system that is abusive to art and culture.
Just to be factual, Trump has publicly donated his salary from his first 15 months back to various government departments. I would strongly suspect it's because $100k is a pretty cheap price for Trump to gather a crowed of people to coo and ahh over his "generosity" and to praise him. You see, Trump is not all about the money, he's actually not very good a making money compared to other business people (Paris Hilton and the Olson Twins seem to be quite a bit better at it, for example), Trump is all about his ego.
Is this the same Trump that has the Secret Service pay for the golf carts the agents use while they protect Trump at his own golf courses? That alone resulted to more than $135k in the first 9 months of his presidency. And that went into Trump*s pockets.
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Is this the same Trump that has the Secret Service pay for the golf carts the agents use while they protect Trump at his own golf courses? That alone resulted to more than $135k in the first 9 months of his presidency. And that went into Trump*s pockets.
Yes. I think we are actually in agreement. I'm not saying Trump is good for giving away his salary, I'm saying he's making the government pay more money than it gets to praise him for giving up a relatively minor salary*. So by giving up the salary, Trump is winning, which is what's really important to him.
* While $400K is a large amount of money to normal people, compared to the money that Trump is making from his position, for example by charging his own security protect him, it's much less than the actual amount of money he will be making (stealing for tax payers) each year.
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* While $400K is a large amount of money to normal people, compared to the money that Trump is making from his position, for example by charging his own security protect him, it's much less than the actual amount of money he will be making (stealing for tax payers) each year.
The point was more that these $400K are exactly the (base) salary he's "refusing" - in less time. Unless of course he made a deal he would get paid better (and then not) than other presidents.
By charging the tax payer extra money so the people whose job it is to give their life for him are able to follow his lazy ass around.
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