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Apple Sued an Independent iPhone Repair Shop Owner and Lost (vice.com)

Jason Koebler, reporting for Motherboard: Last year, Apple's lawyers sent Henrik Huseby, the owner of a small electronics repair shop in Norway, a letter demanding that he immediately stop using aftermarket iPhone screens at his repair business and that he pay the company a settlement. Norway's customs officials had seized a shipment of 63 iPhone 6 and 6S replacement screens on their way to Henrik's shop from Asia and alerted Apple; the company said they were counterfeit. Apple threatened to take action, unless Huseby provided the companies with copies of invoices, product lists, and a plethora of other things. The letter, sent by Frank Jorgensen, an attorney at the Njord law firm on behalf of Apple, included a settlement agreement that also notified him the screens would be destroyed. [...] Huseby decided to fight the case. Apple sued him. Local news outlets reported that Apple had five lawyers in the courtroom working on the case, but Huseby won. Apple has appealed the decision to a higher court; the court has not yet decided whether to accept the appeal.

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  1. Good by bracktra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple, if you want the general public to care about "counterfeit" parts, make your production operations completely domestic.

    Don't sue the little guy for your IP leakage problems in China. He's just trying to make a living, and there's no reason you should control the repair market.

    1. Re:Good by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Apple, if you want the general public to care about "counterfeit" parts, make your production operations completely domestic.

      Don't sue the little guy for your IP leakage problems in China. He's just trying to make a living, and there's no reason you should control the repair market.

      Depends.

      Was he an authorized Apple Repair Center, and using aftermarket parts to do WARRANTY Repairs?

      If so, then Apple has a point. If not, I would agree with the Court's decision.

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why don't you just read TFA?

      What part of "Independent iPhone Repair Shop" could suggest to anyone that he was/is a authorized Apple Repair Center?

      Also TFA states just in the subtitle that "Apple said an unauthorized repair shop owner in Norway violated its trademark by using aftermarket iPhone parts"

      So, an Independent iPhone Repair Shop which is not an authorized Apple Repair Center and obviously can't do WARRANTY Repairs and get paid for them fixing phones of people that don't want to pay hefty Apple aftermarket repair prices.

    3. Re:Good by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      What part of "Independent iPhone Repair Shop" could suggest to anyone that he was/is a authorized Apple Repair Center?

      What makes you think being authorized would change his ownership of his shop? Independent == independently owned. Ford, Toyota etc dealerships are independently owned yet partner with the manufacturers to provide warranty repairs.

    4. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He doesn't read the article; no time for that. Must jump in and defend apple at all costs.

    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So he is using stuff that other people already paid Apple for, doing a fix that Apple didn't get paid to fix.

      Let us try a car analogy shall we? So lets say I go and get a used transmission for my car from a junk yard and have it installed in my Toyota. So I'm having parts replaced in my car using stuff that other people already paid Toyota for. I'm STILL paying for the used parts and I can put them in my Toyota if I want. Of course I don't expect Toyota to cover that under warranty, but if I'm getting that work done anyways, it was out of warranty to begin with!

      It's not like the guy STOLE the parts from the old phones to install into a new phone, he acquired them in a completely legal fashion. Apple has no right for a cut of anything from this. Same as Toyota not having a right to a dime for me getting a used transmission dropped in my car.

    6. Re:Good by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple, if you want the general public to care about "counterfeit" parts, make your production operations completely domestic.

      Don't sue the little guy for your IP leakage problems in China. He's just trying to make a living, and there's no reason you should control the repair market.

      Depends.

      Was he an authorized Apple Repair Center, and using aftermarket parts to do WARRANTY Repairs?

      If so, then Apple has a point. If not, I would agree with the Court's decision.

      Another thing to consider is that not all spare parts are created equal. Neither neither Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC or any other device manufacturer is under any kind of obligation to test their software updates with every single kind of 3rd party spares on the market you might decide to use to repair your phone with. I generally prefer to get my gizmos repaired with OEM parts at a certified repair shop even if it cost more, simply because there is always the chance that some random 3rd party spare installed by some independent workshop may be the cause of the device being bricked by a software update because of some kind of hardware incompatibility, failure of the 3rd party parts manufacturer to correctly implement a standard or because the part was simply a piece of crap and broke. The last thing I need is to end up with with a bricked phone that costs in excess of 700 dollars to replace. If this guy is using 3rd party spares, and you run the risk of a software update bricking your device, he should also make his customers aware of that eventuality. If the customers are then willing to take the risk that's their decision, but then they should also not moan about it if the misfortune fairy turns their precious into a brick.

    7. Re:Good by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 1

      if your iphone got a little bend on it apple denies to repair it

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    8. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Neither neither Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC or any other device manufacturer is under any kind of obligation to test their software updates with every single kind of 3rd party spares on the market you might decide to use to repair your phone with.

      No, but if they intentionally are making incompatible software updates with 3rd party spare parts, they should be explicit about it and give you the option to not install the update.

      I generally prefer to get my gizmos repaired with OEM parts at a certified repair shop even if it cost more, simply because there is always the chance that some random 3rd party spare installed by some independent workshop may be the cause of the device being bricked by a software update because of some kind of hardware incompatibility, failure of the 3rd party parts manufacturer to correctly implement a standard or because the part was simply a piece of crap and broke. The last thing I need is to end up with with a bricked phone that costs in excess of 700 dollars to replace.

      Imagine if your car or your PC was like that. Most 3rd party parts (and official parts) don't 100% correctly implement all standards. If that literally bricks the device, in most cases the manufacturer is grossly incompetent. If it means the screen failed or otherwise had to be replaced, well, that's another thing. I do find it funny how you have such loyalty to a $700 piece of crap* and paying whatever fees Apple deems necessary. You sound like a great sucker ^W customer.

      * Just about everything electronic is some degree of a piece of crap. If not now, it's almost universally true in 10 years whether used or in mint condition. It's the exceptions to that rule that can be listed.

    9. Re:Good by munch117 · · Score: 1

      Nah, labour is way too expensive in Norway to make production domestic.

    10. Re:Good by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Another thing to consider is that not all spare parts are created equal. Neither neither Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC or any other device manufacturer is under any kind of obligation to test their software updates with every single kind of 3rd party spares on the market you might decide to use to repair your phone with.

      The flip side of this is a device manufacturer trying to arbitrarily break some functionality simply because it's not an original part. Sure, repair shops using sub-standard parts is a problem. But in the digital world it's often not that it couldn't work, it's that it refuses to work.

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    11. Re:Good by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      if your iphone got a little bend on it apple denies to repair it

      Well at least it doesn't blow up and burn your butt cheek off.

    12. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Another thing to consider is that not all spare parts are created equal. Neither neither Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC or any other device manufacturer is under any kind of obligation to test their software updates with every single kind of 3rd party spares on the market you might decide to use to repair your phone with.

      The flip side of this is a device manufacturer trying to arbitrarily break some functionality simply because it's not an original part. Sure, repair shops using sub-standard parts is a problem. But in the digital world it's often not that it couldn't work, it's that it refuses to work.

      Quite frankly I rather doubt anybody would intentionally break devices with 3rd party parts, the negative PR would not be worth it. Apple has been burned by this several times in the past even if they only detected and disabled 3rd party components that related to security, such as fingerprint scanners. But in the case of iOS 11.3 what broke were 3rd party displays. People keep authoritatively stating that Apple broke these 3rd party displays on purpose so, ... let's have some proof.

    13. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... obviously can't do WARRANTY Repairs ...

      Why is it obvious? Most countries have laws against such no-compete exclusions. Most times this is beneficial all-around since the manufacturer (eg. Samsung, Nokia) can license a third-party to do it. (Licensing in this case provides quality-control, not actual permission to repair.) It seems more like Apple thought the abusive power they held in the USA could be transferred to other countries.

    14. Re:Good by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Hand waiving. An independent shop can sign contracts where they agree to XYZ terms with another company. They're still independently owned, but they have obligations to uphold due to said contract. I don't know if this does or does not apply to this shop in question, but the point stands.

    15. Re:Good by nonicknameavailable · · Score: 1

      And he/she have to repair it at a third party repair shop and apple makes a software update to fuck with them and kills the screen

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    16. Re:Good by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      so in short it's illegal to fix your own phone ? drm v4.0 lol ... i recently heard about a new 'thing' here too where you have to have two wheels changed on a car if only one is flawed or busted, for safety reasons, is it weird i see the same thing in both there ?

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  2. Counterfeit screen? by sinij · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is a counterfeit screen? Something that made look like a screen, but doesn't actually works? If not that, then it is third-party replacement screen, and Apple has no business telling anyone what parts to use.

    1. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Counterfeit in these instances is trying to pass off third party parts as first party. Like buying a "rolex" from a street vendor.

    2. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, if you go to Wal-mart, in their furniture section, they have these cardboard televisions and lamps they use in lieu of the real stuff.

      Now just imagine if somebody sold you one of those.

      That's the problem here. Those screens were made of cardboard. CARDBOARD! And Norway let it happen.

    3. Re:Counterfeit screen? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      A third party replacement screen could still be counterfeit if it tries to pass itself off as an officially branded product. I don't believe that to be the case here, but it's certainly possible.

    4. Re:Counterfeit screen? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      I own an iPhone 8 and I haven't noticed any apple branding on the screen. It's transparent.

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    5. Re:Counterfeit screen? by sinij · · Score: 1

      A third party replacement screen could still be counterfeit if it tries to pass itself off as an officially branded product. I don't believe that to be the case here, but it's certainly possible.

      Yes, a third-party part cannot contain Apple logos, but seeing this a screen, how do you think is that relevant? To best of my knowledge, Iphone screens do not contain any bezels or logos.

    6. Re:Counterfeit screen? by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      Yes, a third-party part cannot contain Apple logos, but seeing this a screen, how do you think is that relevant?

      Because that screen has chips with microcode owned/copyrighted/patented by Apple installed on it.

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    7. Re:Counterfeit screen? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      What is a counterfeit screen? Something that made look like a screen, but doesn't actually works? If not that, then it is third-party replacement screen, and Apple has no business telling anyone what parts to use.

      And they DON'T, unless the Repair shop holds itself out as an Apple Authorized Service Center.

      Thousands upon thousands of aftermarket repair shops make repairs to Apple equipment every single day without getting sued. There is something not being explained here.

    8. Re:Counterfeit screen? by magusxxx · · Score: 1

      You mean Wolex

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    9. Re:Counterfeit screen? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Because that screen has chips with microcode owned/copyrighted/patented by Apple installed on it.

      How do you know?

    10. Re:Counterfeit screen? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's a google translate of a norwegian article:

      In the judgment, TÃnnesen writes that Huseby does not "use" Apple's trademark because he does not claim in his marketing or to customers that it is a matter of unused original parts. The logos that are applied to the parts can also not be removed without damaging the components, hence, sladding is the only way to hide the logo.

      Since internal components are concerned, the logos will never be displayed to the customers, and the court found no reason to believe that Huseby removed the bill and took out the logos after the goods were cleared.

      It is also a key point in the judgment that Huseby can not purchase original spare parts since Apple does not sell it to anyone other than itself and authorized workshops.

      "sladding" doesn't make sense, but further up the article it talks about "blotting out" the logo. Anyways, I think the judgement was correct.

    11. Re:Counterfeit screen? by MikeDataLink · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you know?

      Because it is literally my job to know these things.

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    12. Re:Counterfeit screen? by sinij · · Score: 1

      Yes, a third-party part cannot contain Apple logos, but seeing this a screen, how do you think is that relevant?

      Because that screen has chips with microcode owned/copyrighted/patented by Apple installed on it.

      This absolutely should not be a consideration, almost everything these days has microcode and there is no way for a repair shop to determine what it is. Apple also can't be trusted on this, as they will obviously claim that anything they didn't make is in violation. This is clearly an issue with Apple, that manufactures in China, and Chinese knock-offs or unauthorized production runs. With Apple unwilling/unable to resolve this problem in China, it shouldn't be possible for them to attempt to resolve it by going after repair shops.

    13. Re:Counterfeit screen? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Since it was probably made by the same company that made the screens for Apple, what does "counterfeit" mean here? If it just means it was never the property of Apple, then "ok, and so what?".

      Of course, it's possible that some other company set up a production line for Apple compatible screens...but I find that quite dubious.

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    14. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article specifically answers your question:

      a part is “counterfeit” if it is masquerading as an original manufacturer part rather than an aftermarket one

      I.e. It's a counterfeit if it bears a company's logo but isn't from that company. It's fine to sell aftermarket screens, but it's not fine to sell aftermarket screens that falsely bear a company's trademark. If a product bears Apple's logo, Apple actually may have a say in who gets to sell them. Oh, but there's a wrinkle in this case, of course:

      This definition seems straightforward, but is further muddied because often broken parts—with original manufacturer logos—are sent back to China to be refurbished and sent back to independent repair companies. [...] [The defendant] imported 67 iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S screens that fell into this grey area. They were seized by Norwegian customs officials because Apple logos on the inside components of the screens “had been covered up by ink marker. The ink marker could be removed with rubbing alcohol,” [...]

      So, these were screens manufactured for Apple that Apple had rejected for whatever reason. At that point, despite bearing Apple's logo they were no longer "official" Apple screens and could not be marketed or sold as such. As such, should an unscrupulous repair shop try to pass them off as official Apple screens, they could find themselves in hot water. Thankfully, this guy wasn't doing that:

      [The defendant] told me [...] that they were “refurbished screens assembled by a third party.” [The defendant] told the court that ‘the logo is covered up because it has never been relevant to market the products as Apple products,” the court decision states. “[The repair shop] has never removed the coverup of the Apple logo on the screens that have been imported and has no interest in doing so. [The repair shop] does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”

      Had he been making repairs while claiming he was using official Apple parts, he'd have been defrauding customers and rightly would have been in trouble, but that's not what he was doing. Had those parts not had their logos covered up, he'd have run afoul of EU laws governing the use of trademarks, but that's not what happened here. The fact is, he's using parts sourced from a third-party supplier who is clearly making an effort to ensure that the parts are not mistaken for official ones. He never claimed they were official parts, never claimed he was authorized by Apple, and went to every reasonable effort to ensure that there would be no confusion.

      Apple is well within its rights to prevent counterfeit parts from being used by unscrupulous repair shops, but the defendant here was doing no such thing, so the decision makes perfect sense while also not having any wide-reaching impact on Apple's ability to prevent unlawful use of its trademark.

    15. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In reality, fake parts are often run off on the exact same assembly lines, usually in 3rd world countries, but using inferior metal and material.

      These can fail, which have in the case of jet engine parts.

      Big companies include in their contracts that this shall not be done with their assembly lines, and often track fakes by real part number for sale on the Internet.

      Is a cheaper screen not UL? Or is the issue him pretending it is an Apple one? What about the claim, "It is just as good!"

      Most will side with him, though ironically will change position with something like Uber driving. Huh.

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    16. Re:Counterfeit screen? by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      This absolutely should not be a consideration, almost everything these days has microcode and there is no way for a repair shop to determine what it is. Apple also can't be trusted on this, as they will obviously claim that anything they didn't make is in violation. This is clearly an issue with Apple, that manufactures in China, and Chinese knock-offs or unauthorized production runs. With Apple unwilling/unable to resolve this problem in China, it shouldn't be possible for them to attempt to resolve it by going after repair shops.

      I didn't say I agree with it. I am just the messenger. Don't shoot me.

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    17. Re:Counterfeit screen? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Here's a google translate of a norwegian article:

      In the judgment, TÃnnesen writes that Huseby does not "use" Apple's trademark because he does not claim in his marketing or to customers that it is a matter of unused original parts. The logos that are applied to the parts can also not be removed without damaging the components, hence, sladding is the only way to hide the logo.

      Since internal components are concerned, the logos will never be displayed to the customers, and the court found no reason to believe that Huseby removed the bill and took out the logos after the goods were cleared.

      It is also a key point in the judgment that Huseby can not purchase original spare parts since Apple does not sell it to anyone other than itself and authorized workshops.

      "sladding" doesn't make sense, but further up the article it talks about "blotting out" the logo. Anyways, I think the judgement was correct.

      It's kind of a grey area; sort of the reverse of selling counterfeit Calvin Klein jeans WITH the Logo. Here, the parts probably WERE counterfeit, probably DID have an Apple Logo; but then the shop owner supposedly "de-counterfeited" them by OBSCURING said Logo, (or by installing where the customer would not normally see the Logo, a "workaround" which I don't personally agree with), and then simply making no claims as to their authenticity.

      But in the end, it does not seem like the shop owner was attempting to defraud the customers or Apple; nor de-value its Brand; so the Court was PROBABLY (barely) right.

    18. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      No, and you won't, because Apple doesn't sell screens to end users (well, maybe there's an Apple logo on the connector for the screen, I have no idea, but probably not). If they did sell the screen to you directly, Apple screens would come in nice little boxes with the Apple logo on them, and 3rd party screens would come in boxes without an Apple logo. In fact, anyone who repairs iPhones does in fact buy iPhone screens, and screens made by Apple will be shipped in boxes with the Apple name on them (maybe the logo too, maybe not, bulk product often lacks such niceties), and screens not made by Apple will come in boxes without the Apple name on them. If non-Apple screens come in boxes with the Apple name on them, it's counterfeit. Apple seems to be claiming the latter happened, which is why they sued him for trademark violation.

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    19. Re:Counterfeit screen? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      It's a screen with an Apple logo on it that's not an Apple screen. In this case it had the Apple logo on it and they covered it up with a marker which would be supposedly wiped off by the installer or user of the product.

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    20. Re:Counterfeit screen? by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

      This absolutely should not be a consideration, almost everything these days has microcode and there is no way for a repair shop to determine what it is. Apple also can't be trusted on this, as they will obviously claim that anything they didn't make is in violation. This is clearly an issue with Apple, that manufactures in China, and Chinese knock-offs or unauthorized production runs. With Apple unwilling/unable to resolve this problem in China, it shouldn't be possible for them to attempt to resolve it by going after repair shops.

      I didn't say I agree with it. I am just the messenger. Don't shoot me.

      Please, we live in the age of unrestrained and unchecked outrage, the entire thing is your fault, you monster!

    21. Re:Counterfeit screen? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Counterfied in this case probably means: Apple uses screen model X from company Y.
      But the screen model was from company Z, but had a label with "X" printed on it.

      I had such a case. I bought for my ex GF an "refurbished iPhone 4" from a vendor at eBay. I assumed "refurbished" meant that Apple had refurbished it (you can buy refurbished Mac Books and iPhones etc. from Apple). However, when we were on a rave in a club, it was so smoky and humid that vapour or smoke came into the phone and obscured the camera lens from the inside.

      So she brought it to an Apple store and wanted it fixed. They started working on it and a few minutes later the guy came back and said he wont fix it, it would not be an "Apple iPhone". The reasons he gave where: RAM vendor and Screen vendor where not parts they use at Apple. He would not risk to be liable to break even more.

      End of story: we first repaired it then (well, cleaned it) at a cheap Chinese shop. And a few weeks later in an RER train from Charles de Gaull to Garre du Nord, she was sitting dreaming with the phone in her hands and suddenly at a stop some guy snatched it and ran away ...

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    22. Re:Counterfeit screen? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, when I read a bit more the claim is that they are used screens from actual sold-by-Apple products. That they've got the trademark embedded in them, but it's gunked over (?) so that nobody can read it. This would seem to make the trademark claim worthless. I could see (vaguely) the sense of a copyright claim, and definitely the sense of a patent claim, but the sense of a trademark claim just bypasses me.

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    23. Re:Counterfeit screen? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Even in that scenario, he's not violating trademark, the person putting the Apple trademarks on the box is.

  3. Nope by bracktra · · Score: 5, Informative

    He does not operate an authorized repair shop.

  4. Re:what's the problem? by sinij · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why be happy that they won this case?

    Because Apple outsources manufacturing to China. They deserve all the consequences and cheap knock-offs.

  5. Njord law by isj · · Score: 2

    Those also the ones sending out copyright infringement notices for some unknown movie and offering to settle if for ~$100.

    So I'm not surprised that things went sideways for Apple - they should be more selective in their choice of law firms.

  6. Were they Apple-branded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because otherwise, this is a criminal act *by Apple*.

    Everybody should watch this:
    Lessons from fashion's free culture - Johanna Blakley at TEDxUSC
    It makes clear how pointless copyright is.

    1. Re:Were they Apple-branded? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      No, they were sold as 3rd-party screens. There was an Apple-logo on them, but it had been covered up with ink, ie. they were probably originally refurb-screens, and due to the logos being covered up they weren't considered as counterfeit items or infringing Apple's trademarks.

  7. Re:what's the problem? by klingens · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know this is /. but you should read the article before you comment.
    From the teaser of the article:
    "Apple said an unauthorized repair shop owner in Norway violated its trademark by using aftermarket iPhone parts"

    unauthorized repair shop, not apple licensed and blessed center.
    Considering how wrong you are in your first assertion, what makes you think that you are right in your 2nd one that they defrauded their own customers?

  8. Re:what's the problem? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    It depends if he was selling them as genuine or "pattern" (compatible) parts. Apple's contract can't override his right to do that. Such terms are illegal in the EU.

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  9. Re:what's the problem? by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The shop agreed to be licensed as an Apple Authorized repair center."

    Authoritative source needed, because that's not at all what the article says. The article says it was an "independent" and "unauthorized" repair shop. It also says "PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.â

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  10. Re: what's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From the article, the company itself said: "PCKompaniet has never removed the coverup of the Apple logo on the screens that have been imported and has no interest in doing so. PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty."

  11. Excellent by DaMattster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am always happy to hear when a small businessman stands up to big corporate bullies and wins. Apple has gotten greedy and it's good to see them get kicked in the balls once in a while.

  12. Re:what's the problem? by edtice1559 · · Score: 5, Informative

    How did this get modded up. It's like the first paragraph of the article that the is not an authorized repair shop, never claimed to be an authorized repair shop, and doens't want to be one. More importantly he imported refurbished Apple parts but never tried to sell them as OEM parts but a generic after-market parts.

  13. Good-Right to stall. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Right to repair" addresses the counterfeit argument which this case is about by saying Apple should provide parts and tools to independents. So this situation is in part of Apple's own making with their hard-nose stance to an obvious demand of the market, which current approved shops aren't meeting.

  14. Re:what's the problem? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is there a single statement there that you didn't just make up?

  15. Re:what's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The shop agreed to be licensed as an Apple Authorized repair center.

    Sorry, but that's bullshit, and is not even in TFA.

    Here's the crux of it (from TFA):

    The court decided that Norwegian law "does not prohibit a Norwegian mobile repair person from importing mobile screens from Asian manufacturers that are 100 percent compatible and completely identical to Apple's own iPhone screens, so long as Appleâ(TM)s trademark is not applied to the product."

    He's not representing himself as an authorised Apple repair place, he's not suggesting you get 100% Apple products or new products, he's saying "I can import products from Asia which work with your phone, and I will repair it".

    this is about the repair company representing itself as repairing your stuff with real OEM parts

    No, it's not.

    What's the problem?

    Apparently, arm-chair Slashdot legal experts.

  16. Re:what's the problem? by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

    The shop agreed to be licensed as an Apple Authorized repair center.

    No, he didn't. The article very clearly says he refused to make a deal with Apple and that never would agree to anything like that in the first place. Did you even read the article?

    The guy was importing possibly mislabeled / counterfeit parts (in that they bear the Apple logo but are no longer valid Apple refurbed parts).

    The court decided they aren't counterfeit parts and don't fall under trademark since the Apple-logo has been covered up.

    Regardless of what you believe is the right to repair, this is about the repair company representing itself as repairing your stuff with real OEM parts. They got identified as not doing so, probably defrauding consumers all the meanwhile. What's the problem? Why be happy that they won this case?

    Yet another claim in which you show that you didn't read the article: the guy never claimed to be an Apple-authorized repairer or that he was using real OEM-parts.

  17. So, Apple figured another way by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    To stop people from repairing their own devices....BRICK them with a software update. If you purchase a device with a warranty, then by all means, LEAVE it alone until the warranty period expires, but, after that, you should have the right to repair it as you see fit. Now, that being said, if the replacement part(s) through no fault of your own, are defective, (unless Apple bricks them) that is on your own to take up with the repair vendor.

  18. Re:what's the problem? by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    How can you read the first posting with its false claims, ignore all the replies calling out the falsehoods in the first posting and then post your agreement with the falsehoods?

    "Apple said an unauthorized repair shop owner in Norway"

    See that: "unauthorized". It's right there in bold in TFA.

    Try to not be such an Apply fanboy in the future.

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  19. Issue is counterfeits not right to reapir. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to repair with non-OEM parts. It's another to use COunterfeit screens that claim to be apple screens. Let's not make this about a something other than what it is. Headline seems to mislead

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    1. Re:Issue is counterfeits not right to reapir. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      It's one thing to repair with non-OEM parts. It's another to use COunterfeit screens that claim to be apple screens. Let's not make this about a something other than what it is. Headline seems to mislead

      Um, no. They were sold as 3rd-party displays, not as OEM-parts, so no, they weren't counterfeit-screen according to court.

  20. This judge just won the internet today by cloud.pt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A quote from the Motherboard article, by the judge who ruled aainst Apple:

    "It is not obvious to the court what trademark function justifies Apple’s choice of imprinting the Apple logo on so many internal components"

    It is, although, obvious to Apple's marketing team: 90% of their revenue, including hardware sales and repair are due to branding appeal and not quality or technological appeal (despite it actually existing), and thus, Apple wants to protect that brand in every single way by printing it everywhere, and preventing repairs that might tarnish that brand (as they can be lower quality, but don't necessarily mean they are...).

    The judge though, noted very well that this trademark/brand protectionism goes against basic rights of repair - Apple doens't own your phone after you buy it - and consequentially, it cannot apply their trademark rights OVER repair rights.

    Ask a broken iPhone owner if he would rather have the screen repaired with the logo: he would obviously say he prefers to fake it, but that's his choice and his wrongdoing. Ask the same person he has to pay 300 to have the logo, or 30 bucks to get a no logo, fully-functioning screen, and the branding thing will go down the drain pretty fast. But obviously, since Apple does not produce nondescript versions of their spare parts, you will never have sub-300 bucks, official iPhone X screens and that's just the life for an iPhone buyer that doesn't want to break the law. I feel for you

    1. Re:This judge just won the internet today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who has broken their Apple screen...more than once...I'll take the Apple repair. It's usually closer to $80 for a shop to do the repair. Apple charged $120-$150 for the same repair. The quality is vastly different. The screens have crap glass, discolorations over time, bonding glue in the screen that delaminates, stickers on the back that cause issues with the display (for warranty reasons said by the repair shop), and they break WAY easier. To me, people need to stop being cheapasses, and goto Apple. I'm one that can totally do it on my own, but when I need a phone fixed in 2-4 hours, a shop has to do it for me (business needs). The $30 is for those that are willing to wait a couple days minimum to have it shipped to themselves & do it on their own. Which most users aren't competent IMO to handle the full process.

    2. Re:This judge just won the internet today by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >> As someone who has broken their Apple screen...more than once...I'll take the Apple repair.

      As someone who has replaced a spouse's iPhone 6 screen twice* with sub-$30 eBay parts, I won't take the Apple repair. I'm not being a cheap; I'm being practical. The cost savings to do the repair myself exceed my hourly billing rate by a healthy margin.

      The quality of the parts has been acceptable so far.

      * Twice: Once when a waterproof case wasn't, and the second time when the phone went off a countertop onto a concrete floor.

    3. Re:This judge just won the internet today by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've dropped many Android phones over the years. HTC, LG and Samsung 'top of range' models and the only one that's ever suffered screen damage is a Samsung S7.

      Even there, it's suffered two chips to the bezel with no visible impact to the screen itself.

      The bit that confuses me is how the hell I managed to drop my phone on the only bloody rock in the Sahara desert.

    4. Re:This judge just won the internet today by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      I have been using an S7 for 1.5 years now, and I have dropped it more than any other phone I ever owned. The only thing preventing it from ever breaking, scuffing or stop functioning: a 2 bucks TPU sleeve. Seriously, protect your investments with this muhc-better-than-any-insurance piece of kit. And you can find these for pretty much any phone model. I previously owned a very simillar TPU case with an S6 also for 1.5y, and it never broke, while 2 workmates using the same phone broke the screen after roughly 4-6months without using a cover. And I also dropped that one a lot.

      Now, these are perfect for most phones with bezels, since the case absorbs most impact, but the metal corners an sheer distance from impact points to the LCD will dampen the fall a lot more. Now that edgeless, up-to-a-corner-LCD phones are all the rage, I digress about their effectiveness. But it sure should be a lot better than any "gorilla glass" marketing they boast - scratch protection is NOT impact protection at all.

    5. Re:This judge just won the internet today by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      You're right, you can rarely find an actual glass, let alone the same type of glass and touchscreen than an OEM would supply. Most replacement LCD/OLED so-called "screen assembly" replacements on the web are basically pulled parts of the essentials, usually white-listed components (such as the panel itself and touchscreen controller chips), bundled with low-quality touchscreens and badly cured LOCA glue, leading to a 50-50 chance of getting warping from the most basic finger press. And they are rarely, if ever, using actual glass. The only way to get an OEM piece is sheer luck and going for the expensive stuff, and even then it's a gamble.

      Now, this is still NO reason at all for Apple to prevent self-repair and lobbying/litigating against third-party spares: most people can live with the issues if it makes their phones usable. And such kind of "activism" by Apple also prevents acquisition of decent parts. In no way is Apple attempting anything else than to funnel the service into their pockets, just like other brand-profit-dependant companies like Ferrari, Dell, Thinkpad, most tractor and agricultural manufacturers, every industrial piece of kit manufacturer, etc. Self-repair is a right even business-grade gear needs, and nobody can say the opposite without admitting in some form all they want is that income vector going their way.

  21. How do you NOT think this is relevant??? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yes, a third-party part cannot contain Apple logos, but seeing this a screen, how do you think is that relevant?

    I am all for the small store owner in this instance, as long as he was noting these are third party screens used for repair.

    The reason it matters vs. Apple screens is because third party screens are not going to have the same level of QA or possibly materials as real Apple screens. They may have dead pixels. They may be dimmer. They have have much worse off-axis color shift. They may not last as long because of various component failures; screens are not just screens but also quite a lot of electronics that go along with an LCD.

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    1. Re:How do you NOT think this is relevant??? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      OR.. more likely, from one of the few factories that make all the screens for all the large smartphones and are all pretty much the same in quality because they're going through the same processes in the same factories using the same equipment.

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  22. Still haven't read the article? by bracktra · · Score: 1

    Thanks, Fake Tim Cook for your definitive analysis. I'm sure we're all smarter for having read your non-misleading analysis.

    As detailed by the article, this shop was non-authorized. In other aftermarket situations, like many other manufacturers, Apple does nearly everything in their power to make it hard for consumers to repair equipment on their own terms -- everything from using stupid special screws to refusing to publish board schematics (even to authorized shops) so customers are forced to make full board replacements. I wouldn't be surprised if they routinely pull this shakedown practice on other non-authorized shops.

    1. Re:Still haven't read the article? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 2

      Thanks, Fake Tim Cook for your definitive analysis. I'm sure we're all smarter for having read your non-misleading analysis.

      As detailed by the article, this shop was non-authorized. In other aftermarket situations, like many other manufacturers, Apple does nearly everything in their power to make it hard for consumers to repair equipment on their own terms -- everything from using stupid special screws to refusing to publish board schematics (even to authorized shops) so customers are forced to make full board replacements. I wouldn't be surprised if they routinely pull this shakedown practice on other non-authorized shops.

      As a former electronic repair tech, I've worked on LOTS of equipment where the manufacturer wouldn't release complete schematics, sometimes even to Authorized Service Centers. Also, many manufacturers require "board-level" replacement, especially under warranty. So, that's not out-of-line for the electronic repair industry, especially as the complexity of the devices goes up.

      And there are no "Special Screws" that Apple uses for which you can't find appropriate drivers.

  23. Re:Never here by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    Goat C??

    Seriously.

  24. Re:what's the problem? by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    How can you read the first posting with its false claims, ignore all the replies calling out the falsehoods in the first posting and then post your agreement with the falsehoods?

    "Apple said an unauthorized repair shop owner in Norway"

    See that: "unauthorized". It's right there in bold in TFA.

    Try to not be such an Apply fanboy in the future.

    Your assumption was that I violated the /. TOS and actually READ TFA.

    (I actually DID read it; but not until AFTER posting).

  25. The process is the penalty by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    If Apple wins they win. If Apple loses they've beat down the winner so much that the next repair show may think twice.

    Criminal prosecutors do the same thing since the consequences of losing are trivial.

  26. The most interesting bit, to me by Rastl · · Score: 2

    I found this little bit of logic to be the most interesting.

    • * The parts had an Apple logo on them, which made them counterfeit per the definition;
    • * The logo was covered with marker that could easily be removed by the recipient if they so chose;
    • * The defendant never removed the ink from the logo;
    • * The parts with the logo were never visible to the end users.

    The judge took that into account and noted that since the logo was not visible it was not considered to be counterfeit. The users did not know the logo was on the parts.

    He neatly closed off that line of argument from Apple since he's saying the printing on the internal parts is irrelevant to whether or not they infringe. That's a lot of leg to cut out from under them in their case.

  27. "Right to Repair" by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    So, if Apple believes they still own the hardware you paid for and you have no right to repair it without going through Apple, perhaps the solution is to stop buying Apple products altogether? Apple buys most of their parts from Samsung to begin with, and Samsung is already well ahead of Apple in technology, although both companies appear to think they can maximize profits by making their products as easy to break as possible. Essentially, Apple is pissed because 3rd party replacement screens cut into their most lucrative profit center.

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  28. Apple Should Lose by JimSadler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Imagine buying a Ford and being sued for using after market products on your car. That is exactly what Apple seeks on its products. The idea that a company can control a product after they sell it is absurd. You buy it. You own it. You do what you please with it! Maybe it is time for end users to sue when a product is made difficult or expensive to repair. A class action suit might be a real eye opener.

  29. Re:Something something rent free by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Talking about Comey and Trump on an article about Apple?

    Same bully mentality; "bend over and suck my cock, and thank me for it afterward. Or I'll make your life miserable and bankrupt you."

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  30. Re:Something something rent free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But your link is already so self-contradictory that no reasonable person would take it as a source of anything. First of all, it supports that Comey told the truth that he only had 2 face to face solo meetings with Obama, as the "secret" Jan 5 meeting included at least Yates and Rice as well. Nothing in evidence so far suggests anything untoward, no matter what is implied in the link. And are you truly surprised that "secret" meetings aren't immediately made public domain? I'd love to know what Manafort, Lewendowski, Trump, Jared, and Don Jr discussed at their various "secret" meetings as well over the past 1.5 years.

  31. Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Huseby does not claim to be an authorized repair shop, nor has he misrepresented his service, nor does he submit invoices to Apple.

    The original Motherboard article is quite clear on this point. Huseby bought OEM refurbished parts. They had an Apple logo on them because they were, in fact, Apple parts originally. Since the refurbishment was done outside of the Apple monolith those parts had the logos inked out. Fact is, Huseby and his parts suppliers all seem to be operating responsibly and 100% within the law.

    Also, there's this tiny little matter that Huseby won the court case and Apple lost. Yes, Apple is appealing, but in the meantime Huseby is the winner.

    Also, as a fundamental and practical matter, does the owner of a phone actually control the phone? You know, as the owner, of property, that they purchased? Apple does not lease or license these phones. They sell them.

  32. There need to be consequences by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Given the power imbalance here, and that Apple was clearly (and knowingly - they have good lawyers) in the wrong, there need to be consequences.

    Legal fees, time, expenses, etc., are simply not enough.

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  33. Apple's demons by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tim Cook talks about how he supports his users by not selling their information, by supporting strong encryption, and by standing up to the government. Whenever I hear him talk about this, I pause and almost consider buying an Apple product. But then things like this happen, and I am reminded that Apple provides a walled-garden store, fights interoperability, and uses the intellectual-property stick to harm their own customers. Tim Cook can claim a clean conscience on some fronts, but is downright evil on others. There is hope for Apple, but there is much that needs to change.