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Trade War Or Not, China is Closing the Gap on US in Technology IP Race (reuters.com)
China's rising investment in research and expansion of its higher education system mean that it is fast closing the gap with the United States in intellectual property and the struggle to be the No.1 global technology power, according to patent experts. From a report: While U.S. President Donald Trump's threat of punitive tariffs on high-tech U.S. exports could slow Beijing's momentum, it won't turn back the tide, they say. Washington's allegation that the Chinese have engaged in intellectual property theft over many years -- which is denied by Beijing -- is a central reason for the worsening trade conflict between the U.S. and China. Forecasts for how long it will take for Beijing to close the technological gap vary -- though several patent specialists say it could happen in the next decade.
And China is already leapfrogging ahead in a couple of areas. "With the number of scientists China is training every year it will eventually catch up, regardless of what the U.S. does," said David Shen, head of IP for China at global law firm Allen & Overy. Indeed, IP lawyers now see President Xi Jinping's pledge earlier this week to protect foreign IP rights as projecting confidence in China's position as a leading innovator in sectors such as telecommunications and online payments, as well as its ability to catch up in other areas.
And China is already leapfrogging ahead in a couple of areas. "With the number of scientists China is training every year it will eventually catch up, regardless of what the U.S. does," said David Shen, head of IP for China at global law firm Allen & Overy. Indeed, IP lawyers now see President Xi Jinping's pledge earlier this week to protect foreign IP rights as projecting confidence in China's position as a leading innovator in sectors such as telecommunications and online payments, as well as its ability to catch up in other areas.
Does this mean all the other countries of the world can start stealing their intellectual property soon? It's been a bit one sided so far...
Not. There aren't even any tariffs except on steel and aluminum, and those don’t apply to some of the biggest US trading partners. Talk is not a tariff. A tariff is not a "trade war".
News media should report the news when it happens, not before it happens — as they imagine it might someday happen.
Well, yeah. When you can steal until you don't need to anymore, I guess that is kind of convenient ...
This is being measured entirely by patents. This is the wrong metric to use, although I'm sure the usual suspects are creaming in their pants to see another "America is going to get it" article. They hate our guts and dream of the day we'll be humiliated. What can I say, we deserve it, we're horrible people. Patents in the USA, particularly regarding software, are total bullshit. They shouldn't even be granted, and when they are, they're either for totally obscure ideas or for ideas obvious to anyone in the art. Patents in China are bullshit too, they don't have anything to do with actual progress. Hey, who cares though, journalists aren't experts and they love to distill complex topics down to a single number that they mistakenly regard like a sports score.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
...than the US has regular students. China also has a larger english speaking population than the US. Of course a couple of silly tariff's aren't going to slow their eventual rise.
Then China can crow if it likes.
Hahahaahahah
Last I checked... china has more HONORS students graduating each year than the US has TOTAL students. China also has a larger english speaking population. It only seems natural that, no matter how many tariffs we impose, they'll rise to the top eventually.
Stop believing that the crap you see on TV is real science. There is ZERO chance of a "rogue internet" having any kind of success anywhere in the world.
Reason: Internet is not just software and software is not even 1% of what is needed for a working internet.
The Chinese are stealing the right stuff - like solar and other green tech.
And in the meantime, our policies are to go back to the 19th century and use coal.
When we lose our energy independence to China will be some tough soul searching.
is that there are ten fat Chinese creimers out there...
Duh. Chinese government is focused on funding STEM education, not on psychology degrees or law.
So right now China has more engineers in training than the US has in total. Chinese engineering traditions are nothing to brag about, but quantity has a quality of its own.
Stop believing that the crap you see on TV.
I can't or I will have to face questions on meaning of my life. God is dead. If Tube also dies, I will have to move to Facebook.
well we need an WAR to over ride the EPA.
Unless you can make a cheap, point to point solution (laser beams) that work over distances, the biggest problem with another "internet" will be who lays the pipe, which tends to be the government, with private companies handed that privilege as a proxy.
How many scientists and engineers do you know who are unemployed, struggling to make a decent living, or doing something unrelated to their academic training? How many more do you know who are languishing at jobs they hate and that underutilize their talent? How many do you know who are wasting their time and talent writing cell phone apps or something equally menial?
The U.S. technology sector is trading innovation for short term profits and temporary capital gains. Silicon Valley is more about venture capital than science these days. Meanwhile, China is recognizing the importance of science and technology more than ever. It's no wonder China is closing in on us fast.
With China's massive population advantage and our apathy, we'll be a distant number two in no time. Our problems are only going to get worse as people stop pursuing science and engineering careers because the jobs suck.
...the biggest problem with another "internet" will be who lays the pipe, which tends to be the government, with private companies handed that privilege as a proxy.
Citations please.
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Cable and telcos? The governments granted them the land, making them natural monopolies. If someone could make a reliable mesh system using lasers, this would allow some type of interconnected ad-hoc network to exist without having to have a dedicated ISP.
Oh, wait, no, I know exactly where they got it from.
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They've been spending on STEM while we've been cutting back in favor of tax cuts (83% for the top 1%, but I guess the 99% got 17% of them).
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The US represents about 4% of the global population. China is 19%. If China ever got its political head out of the wrong end of its anatomy it would crush us. Even if they only manage not to be stubbornly stupid they'll be tough to keep up with in the 21st Century.
So how can the US maintain it's scientific and technological preeminence? The same way it got it in the first place: immigration. US 20th century STEM preeminence is built mostly by people who came here looking for religious and political toleration, especially around WW2.
No immigrants means no Manhattan Project or US space program. No Admiral Hyman Rickover, so no US nuclear navy. No Sikorsky helicopters. No US Steel, Bell Telephone, or Westinghouse Electric. Just excluding John von Neumann alone would leave a huge hole in US scientific prestige. And today, if you waved a magic wand and eliminated all immigrants in the US, more than half of the scientists and engineers working in the US would disappear.
Immigration doesn't bring the worst people here, it brings the best, or at least the most enterprising. Nearly half of US fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.
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they are smarter than the Americans, and they have a population 4x the size, and are embracing technology much faster than the paranoid USA.
It's funny however that the pathetic USA is seeing this as a threat, when China has proven to be the most peaceful super-power the world has ever seen.
Unlike the U.S, China are very unlikely to use their technology for wars and wrongs.
This is how all empires end. The Turks became overconfident in their technological advantage of mounted knights, and ignored guns. The US is overconfident and actively sabotaging its own research ability with policies directed at buttressing the psyches of the smallest segment that used to dominate it.
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Wow, thinking is a matter of quantity not quality. Just need to put more people on it like an assemble line, and ideas pop out. There is no creativity, no individual initiative, no genius. creativity has been liberated from the people who hoarded it unfairly!
This is exactly the thing of a communist, collective society that had a culture revolution to get rid of thinkers. It's also why they are always copying other ideas and presenting it as their own - not just the society, but the people who have to show their authoritarian bosses output. Because no one wants to create anything under those conditions.
pure bs propaganda
1. Why are there US interests in Asia? ...
2. Can they unlink these US interests in Asia now?
3. What're the alternatives to move these US interests?
4. Excluding Asia, then where?
5. Are there cheaper labors for these US interests?
Economy First, America Later.
we're bringing coal back! #MAGA!
developing 'new' IP based on others old IP is easy
coming up with fresh new ideas is hard
Go well
We've all seen the news stories. Regardless of how much research goes on in China, there's no doubt they have no problem with stealing from us too in order to get ahead of us. Maybe we should return the favor?
What a China-fellating load of bullshit.
1. China is not closing the technological gap on their own. They STEAL the technology for themselves whenever an outside country is stupid enough to pass the documentation along to Chinese (government controlled) manufacturing companies to get the stuff made, or are required to GIVE the technology (and a commanding share of the company) to China as a condition to even operate there. Remember the Apple key codes? If outside companies would STOP playing by China's rules, China would fall behind once again where they belong.
2. China is not independently capable of being the global economic leader. They IMPORT all the raw materials they need from outside countries. America has the technology companies AND the resources it needs to build things. Again, if outside companies would STOP dealing with China, China's manufacturing industry would completely collapse, and they'd fall behind technologically. I mean look at their pitiful "space station". That was the best they could do, even with all our resources and stolen tech... pfft. Even when commies cheat, they just can't compete.
Wake up and realise: we don't need them for technological advancement and we don't need them for resources, their starved workforce and low standards can't maintain quality, so if we went got back to doing our own manufacturing, we wouldn't need them at all. This would solve the "muh feels" whenever you are reminded that the workers there who made your latest iMsoSpecialButMuhPrivacy selfie-taking tracking device are treated like slaves, bring those manufacturing jobs back HERE probably in factories with far better environmental and humane standards, and give people REAL employment opportunities and a sense of pride again so they don't have to waste their time smoking crack and protesting about their made up SJW bullshit.
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If someone could make a reliable mesh system using lasers, this would allow some type of interconnected ad-hoc network to exist without having to have a dedicated ISP.
Good luck with that.
The US government would never permit the existence in the US of any communications network they did not control and could not collect bulk surveillance data on and trace/track any and every user at will. Authoritarian regimes don't operate like that.
After all, one does not allow their livestock/slaves the tools to be able to communicate securely and organize to free themselves.
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1B poor peasants? I think you have that wrong. After all, the term peasant usually refers to nongmin, or those who work in agriculture. The urbanization rate is 56%, with a target of 60% by 2020. With a population of 1.4B, that's more at least 700M are not nongmin.
Secondly, China can have a democracy of sorts, just not necessarily the same system with find in the west. Instead one can easily see a system enforced where the best and brightest are voted for in village elections, and then move up the scale. There are other ideas of even having a three house congress that would include "Confucians".
You also do realize China is rapidly building ports that bypass the Malacca straits. E.g. in Myanmar, Bangladesh, Pakistan. You should also realize that Russia is now one of China's largest exporters of energy (larger than S. Arabia). Also note that contrary to thought China is sitting on a lot of oil/gas that could potentially fracked (if I remember right estimates of reserves were higher than the US). The only problem is that current tech fracking requires a lot of water, and locations of these oil fracking areas are in places which are relatively arid. I think you may be quite wrong about Africa. Africa is growing a rapid rate, and one of the biggest problems was transportation. Namely how to do you get countries that have no roads or even a coastline's exports out of the country. China is already moving a lot of light industry into places like Ethiopia.
Perhaps China is depended on foreign trade, although they are really trying to get rid of that dependency. Perhaps Trump is assisting in that matter. That said, don't think that US isn't depended on China. I wouldn't be surprised to find that many goods are economically "inelastic", and that China could easily simply crash the whole US market by rapidly increasing interest rates by simply purchasing less US bonds.
Knowledge cannot be stolen, it just exists. The expectation that knowledge can be kept private is ignorance
Tell that to these unemployed Nortel, Lucent, Alcatel, SEL, Nokia engineers.
All the good work of Huawei and ZTE.
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