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Former FBI Director James Comey Reveals How Apple and Google's Encryption Efforts Drove Him 'Crazy' (fastcompany.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: In his explosive new book, A Higher Loyalty, fired FBI director James Comey denounces President Trump as "untethered to the truth" and likens him to a "mob boss," but he also touches on other topics during his decades-long career in law enforcement -- including his strong objection to the tech industry's encryption efforts. When Apple and Google announced in 2014 that they would be moving their mobile devices to default encryption, by emphasizing that making them immune to judicial orders was good for society, "it drove me crazy," he writes. He goes on to lament the lack of "true listening" between tech and law enforcement, saying that "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees," such as terrorism and organized crime.

He writes, "I found it appalling that the tech types couldn't see this. I would frequently joke with the FBI 'Going Dark' team assigned to seek solutions, 'Of course the Silicon Valley types don't see the darkness -- they live where it's sunny all the time and everybody is rich and smart." But Comey understood it was an unbelievably difficult issue and that public safety had to be balanced with privacy concerns.

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  1. Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    He needlessly reopened an investigation 10 days before the election handing the election to Trump, and then he catches Trump red-handed committing treason.

    I'm not a smart man, but I know what love is, Jenny.

    1. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only Forrest Gump had committed sodomy, he wouldn't have gotten pregnant/given Jenny AIDS.
       
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    2. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, I thought it was the Russians that handed Trump the election.

    3. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!

    4. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's what the DNC would like you to believe when really it was their fixing of the primary in favor of Hillary. Say what you like about Trump, at least he was able to win the primary without engaging in election fraud and voter suppression.

      Why should any of use come out to support a candidate that couldn't be bothered to give us a reason why she should win other than vague platitudes and I'm a girl.

    5. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " catches Trump red-handed committing treason."

      Wow, so there must be a lot of evidence. Care to cite some? Hint: define "treason" first.

    6. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Brockmire · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Do iOS assholes not see the same shit we see coming out of them? When will this shit end? FFS. Fuck you Apple.

    7. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called Courage, bitch. Courage to post like an asshole and be arrogant enough to think everyone else should accommodate.

    8. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by sasparillascott · · Score: 1, Troll

      So right! /s

      Just from yesterday, the going dark thing wasn't real... https://yro.slashdot.org/story...

      When viewed from the narrow perspective of the FBI or law enforcement then total access (no privacy rights for citizens) makes total sense...they're only going after the bad guys (at least till some administration who wants the country to run like a dictator's paradise and the FBI become his/her personal police force and have the Justice Department run like his personal judicial system), cause you don't know when that kind of nutball will get elected...

      But if you take a step back and look at the reason for the right to privacy (to protect the citizenry from the government abusing its power improperly at some point) then the tech industry's view (really just Apple at this point) makes sense.

      The guy running the Justice Department is the guy that sounds like Forrest Gump at this point although taking orders from the President for the most part (very un Forest like there). JMHO...

    9. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open source development makes the secret backdoors impossible to enforce. They are living in 1965
      The NSA has a realistic view of the topic. The FBI probably never will. Too many autocrat government lawyers like Comey

    10. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't need evidence to accuse the president of treason, just vague hear say hinted at on MSNBC by some commentator.

      If Obama had just done one of the things Trump does multiple times each day, you would have called for his head. Just take the "blabbing out Israeli intelligence to the Russian ambassador" thing.

    11. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember when Trump tweeted about how bombing syria was a really bad idea when Obama did it, now it's mission accomplished apparently. He is a very stable genius after all.

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    12. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Stormcrow309 · · Score: 2

      I am not sure. One flaw of open source is the lack of regression testing and assumption that code just works and someone else looked at it. It is the tragedy of the commons and somebody elseâ(TM)s problem rolled into one. Take for example the heart bleed bug. It was there for ten years before someone figured it out. So, you could easily introduce a backdoor is you are clever and focus on low churn sections of code.

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    13. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encryption is not to protect you, nitwit. Encryption is to keep you in the walled garden. it's 100% about preventing you from escaping.

    14. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      catches Trump red-handed committing treason.

      Treason?

      What country are we at war with?

      Name the country, please.

    15. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since when is calling out obvious bullshit 'offtopic'?! Stupid cunt moderator works for the DNC?? Slashdot needs to change its name to democrat lackies site for idiots!

    16. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      Obama did far worse but he had a different style.
      Trump is rude brash and does (mostly) the right thing.

      The list of Obama crimes are long and heinous, like Uranium 1, IRS scandal, Benghazi ....
      However he looked good while destroying the US.

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    17. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

      We don't need a war to have enemies. Nonetheless, the idea that Trump is giving aid or comfort to U.S. enemies is preposterous, as is the notion that Trump is waging war against the U.S.

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    18. Re: Forrest Gump of the FBI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words his crimes are conspiracy theories. Thanks for the insight.

    19. Re:Forrest Gump of the FBI by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's it. It had nothing to do with the fact that the Democratic nominee was so awful that even a turd like Donald Trump could beat her.

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  2. Good by OffTheLip · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hope it continues to drive him and others of his ilk crazy.

    1. Re:Good by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is crazy. Look at this statement:

      public safety had to be balanced with privacy concerns

      These are the SAME THING. If you weaken encryption people become less safe from those who want to invade their privacy and steal their data.They become more vulnerable to criminals and oppressive governments.

      He seems to live in a fantasy world where there are good guys and bad guys and magical thinking actually works.

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    2. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except for it transforms millions of targets into a single target, protected by someone else's incompetence.

    3. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope it continues to drive him and others of his ilk crazy.

      I understand your point of view, and I understand Mr. Comey's, but would never support any method that seriously weakened security.

      Now, if it was determined that we needed a middle ground, well, it is at least possible to set up per device key escrow, where the ultimate keys are stored in a closed area offline that is every bit as secure as any top secret area in the world. Every device would get a key linked to its serial number, but each key would be created with a true hardware random number generator, or more likely several of them XOR'd together.

      I think if this were to happen then the closed areas should remain in the companies control with public records of every access and what was taken, with proof of the court order for every access. Keys could be added via a dedicated fiber optic link connected to custom hardware. The hardware would assure that you could only add a key and get a confirmation or a denial that the key was added. In other words, you could add keys without unlocking, but not remove keys. The link that is adding keys should be end to end encrypted with the best encryption we can maintain as well. In short all reasonable efforts should be made to make the key escrow secure.

      All this is possible, and might, just might, be worth it. What you do with companies oversees I have no idea, but likely they would have to escrow the keys in a similar way on American soil for devices they sell in America.

      What this will not solve.
      1) Anyone who bothers to use a separate encrypted app that adds a layer of encryption. Once it is known that keys can be obtained, I'd predict use of such apps to increase.

      2) Devices obtained outside this chain of control. Perfectly controlling every device is impossible, and probably unethical. People are going to use old devices, or devices that don't obey this, such as probably Linux distributions. For that matter, how do you install an OS? In the installation process do you transmit an escrow key somewhere? Do you have to post it in the mail if you don't have internet access?

      Is this solution worth it? I honestly don't know. My instinct is saying no. First, I doubt what actually arrived would be as difficult to use as what I'm suggesting, which would push things further into the not worth it range. Second, well, I'm just not sure if you can win this battle, no matter how well intentioned, and that the benefits of "winning" outweigh the benefits of "losing" (everything being secure.)

      Any solution that is created must be mandated by law, since no tech company is going to stick their neck out and implement anything remotely like this, when it will just hurt their sales. In that I'm a bit confused why Comey was annoyed with tech companies. Their profit motive isn't going to allow them a different outcome.

    4. Re:Good by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Until the Chinese and Russian governments demand keys to ALL Apple devices, because devices sold outside their countries MIGHT be imported and used in China or Russia.

      Or the US government demands to hold keys to devices sold worldwide for the same reason. People living outside the US shouldn't be subject to the US's whims and caprices either.

    5. Re:Good by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      What's to stop someone from using an imported device NOT originally sold in the US in the US, thus bypassing the key escrow? Or will the US gov't need to demand keys for devices sold worldwide by US companies, since some of them MAY be used in the US? Will people in other countries be happy to give up their privacy to the whim of the US government?

      Sam argument applies for China, Russia, and Zimbabwe, with regards to devices sold in the US, of course.

    6. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey Comey, didn't you serve on the board of directors overseeing the laundering of drug money while at HSBC of like 1.9 BILLION dollars????

      I don't see that in your book.

    7. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I covered this. The answer is not much. You can try to stop device import, but it is hard to stop someone from just flying oversees and buying something, unless your going to somehow check every device as it comes across.

      That all being said, you could make it possible for the FBI to solve some cases it might not otherwise solve. I'm just not sure the end result is worth it.

    8. Re:Good by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      A visiting Terrorist is likely to bring a phone with him, that was sold in some other country. If the American courts have no problem issuing search warrants for foreign computers, they should have no problem ordering Apple to hand over the encryption keys for foreign phones.

    9. Re:Good by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >And the key storage would be as secure as the primary key storage you're currently using, so there is no additional vulnerability there either.

      Of course there is. Primary key storage is done by *you* - the only way anyone can get access to your device is to target you specifically, and manage to determine your personal key.

      Secondary "back door" key storage is done by the government, and used regularly by them if it offers any actual value - and thus there are likely hundreds, if not thousands of individuals with legitimate access to that key. And the moment any *one* of them is subverted - be it by bribe, blackmail, the temptation of the enormous black-market value of that key, or just plain old incompetence, *everyone* loses any real security on their phone. People are after all almost always the weakest link in any halfway decent security system.

      Not to mention, one of the prime "bad actors" encryption protects against are the "legitimate" authorities, who have a long rack record of abusing their power - encrypting phones became popular in large part in response to the revelations of illegal government surveillance programs.

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    10. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Key escrow does not make you more vulnerable to a 3rd party. Sure, you're at risk from the 2nd party (government). But it in no way weakens the encryption algorithm. And the key storage would be as secure as the primary key storage you're currently using, so there is no additional vulnerability there either.

      Until the 2nd party leaves a USB stick or laptop containing the keys on the bus for a 3rd party to find (or gets tired of a government salary and decides to get paid for it).

      ANY government backdoor will be EVERY hacker's catflap!

    11. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Key escrow does not make you more vulnerable to a 3rd party?" You have got to be kidding me. YES IT FUCKING DOES. Repeat after me: KEY ESCROW IS SHIT. Here's an excerpt from a paper detailing why it is such a bad idea right out of the gate:

      In short, eavesdroppers seeking access to the session key must use two keys to decrypt the LEAF: the family key (which is common to all chips) and the chip key (which is different for every chip). Assuming that the family key will be in fairly wide circulation,{194} the security of the Clipper Chip stands or falls on the security of the master list of chip keys. This list, or the two lists of key segments, would be of enormous value to any attacker, such as a foreign government bent on industrial espionage.

    12. Re:Good by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Key escrow does not make you more vulnerable to a 3rd party. Sure, you're at risk from the 2nd party (government).

      Yeah, it’s not as if any of the government agencies which would likely be involved in key escrow has ever suffered a serious data breach of extremely sensitive information.

      And if the keys were held by the companies themselves - it’s not as if law enforcement has ever requested - and been granted - sweepingly broad subpoenas.

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    13. Re: Good by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Last I checked, the IV amendment doesn't say:
      "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated" EXCEPT WHEN IT ANNOYS THE FBI DIRECTOR.

    14. Re:Good by tsa · · Score: 0

      Why is this insightful?

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    15. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Comey, didn't you serve on the board of directors overseeing the laundering of drug money while at HSBC of like 1.9 BILLION dollars????

      I don't see that in your book.

      He joined the board after the trial was over

    16. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep. That is why he will hopefully go to jail. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean the 'good guys' get to break the law or abuse it to save the world. He is a crazy self-righteous douche and sadly not atypical to law enforcement.

    17. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's more that he axiomaticly believes that the Good Guys could never become the Bad Guys. He can't even conceive the possibility.
      He cannot see what us right in front of his face, that his former bosses are not Good Guys.

      The tech guys get it, that as bad as the Bad Guys may be, it is even worse for everyone when the Good Guys become bad actors and/or act in bad faith.

      I as a naive peon simply see the FBI as being lazy. they have more than enough tools, techniques etc to do what us peons need them to do, which is to not be Big Brother.

    18. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1st party is you, 2nd party is the person you're talking to. In your example the government *is* the 3rd party.

    19. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that the 2nd party you so state has the keys for everyone else as well, thus putting all of the eggs into one basket. This makes it a much more cost effective target for any third party because going after that key database has a much greater reward. You see without key escrow a nefarious third party would need to attack each target individually, but with key escrow they only need to attack one source to get into every single target (and people who are yet to be targets). So even if the security on the key storage was as good as the first party storage the rewards are so much more and justify using many more resources. Also consider that a key storage as you described must have multiple users access it (one person will never be able to handle all of those requests) and their hardware to access the key storage will also need to be up to snuff security wise, you increase the attack surface with each device involved in the handling of key escrow.

      Also how can we be assured that each and every device involved in such a scheme is up to date and properly audited?

      Your understanding of basic security, risk assessment and cost/benefit analysis is rather elementary

    20. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has already given the Chinese everything they asked for related to Apples technologies. US companies (and others) are required to hand over any IP related to the products and services before allowing the product and services into the Chinese market. At least Google had the common sense to close their Chinese offices and left the country. Apple on the other hand does anything they have to because market access is everything.

      Apple ignored a Federal warrant requiring them to assist in accessing a phone used by a dead terrorist. This wasn't a NSL or FISA warrant either. The phone was actually owned by the employer of the dead terrorist and they gave permission to the FBI to do anything required to access the phone but Apple still refused. They claimed it would cost them to much money and tie up too many resources. They claimed their security was so good that even they might not be able to retrieve any data from the phone. They used the entire episode to showcase their commitment to a users privacy. In other words they used their actions to sell more devices. And a couple of days later they ended up getting a big kick in the nuts as a third party proved Apples vaunted security technology was complete bullshit.

    21. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, so you are the type who prefers the illusion of security over liberty, eh?

      I won't bother to re-iterate the thorough debunking of your position that other posters have made, and get right to the personal accusations.

      You are a shill for the totalitarian and criminal elements that operate within our own government.

      Have a nice day.

    22. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarcasm? Do you even know what key escrow is?

    23. Re: Good by joemck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another point is I don't trust the government to keep my escrowed key safe. Leaks happen, hacks happen. The more places my secrets are stored, the more danger there is of them being stolen. And when it happens, I won't know, and even if I find out I have no recourse other than throwing away my device and going back to a normal PC where I can install proper, non key escrow encryption software.

    24. Re:Good by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, this chestnut again. Let's review what actually happened...

      Apple ignored a Federal warrant requiring them to assist in accessing a phone used by a dead terrorist.

      No, they didn't. They provided law enforcement with the data they had - iCloud data, keychain contents...whatever data they actually-had, they handed over. What the government wanted was for Apple to write a firmware update that would enable the FBI to brute force the passcode requirement and push it to the phone. The reason there was all kinds of fanfare was because the FBI was trying to compel Apple to write software that didn't exist, for the sake of reducing security that everybody, everywhere, ever, knew was not going to be used in just this one singular case.

      They claimed it would cost them to much money and tie up too many resources.

      Well, yes. Writing software takes time and money, from intelligent humans. Apple doesn't have a central database of passcodes camping out on a Macbook in Tim Cook's office in Cupertino that they were simply refusing to query.

      They claimed their security was so good that even they might not be able to retrieve any data from the phone.

      Well, if Apple wrote firmware that worked well enough on their test unit, but ended up failing on the phone of interest for whatever reason, would the FBI have been okay with that? Or would Apple have been liable for obstruction of justice? Only a fool would give any form of guarantee.

      They used the entire episode to showcase their commitment to a users privacy.

      The way this is written, it sounds like it's intended to be derogatory...but I really don't see a downside to such a commitment.

      In other words they used their actions to sell more devices.

      You have a dizzying intellect. People want phones that are secure. The FBI indicates they are having trouble unlocking the phone. The FBI brings the issue to the court of public opinion. Apple affirms that their devices are so secure, the FBI has to compel them to write software that doesn't exist in order to maybe-kinda-sorta get access to it. People trust Apple more, and buy more phones as a result due to their security. Welcome to how capitalism is supposed to work.

      And a couple of days later they ended up getting a big kick in the nuts as a third party proved Apples vaunted security technology was complete bullshit.

      Well, that's quite a leap there. Third parties have *always* managed to find a vulnerability in iOS. Take a look at the history of jailbreaking; time and time again iOS has fallen given enough poking and prodding. If an Israeli company managed to successfully exploit a vulnerability as a last ditch effort, that's far different than Apple using their software developers and their signing keys to write software they did not want to write, at the behest of their own government officials, who would have ended up using the incident to cement into case law the ability of the FBI to require work to be done by private companies in order to meet their own ends.

      Now, if you want to take it one step further...how come the last thing we heard from the case was that the Israeli company unlocked the phone? If there was any useful data at all on that phone, you KNOW the FBI would have been shouting from the rooftops how they arrested a dozen more terrorists because of what was on the phone, and how Apple got in the way. Instead, we heard nothing thereafter. If Apple was full of it with respect to their security argument, then the FBI was ten times worse and they never owned up to being wrong.

      But hey, everyone has Graykey now, so you win.

    25. Re:Good by nonBORG · · Score: 0

      It is the utilitarian thinking, it does not matter what is actually right but rather I need to achieve the right outcome even if I break laws or morals in doing it.

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    26. Re: Good by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      even if I find out I have no recourse other than throwing away my device and going back to a normal PC where I can install proper, non key escrow encryption software.

      That doesn't help at all if backdoors are baked into the silicon of your CPU, BIOS, etc.

      But, no worries, mate! I've got you covered!

      I've got an old 64-bit SGI Octane with IRIX UNIX installed (complete with the latest then-current Netscape Navigator browser!!) & matching monitor I'll give you a good price on if you pay shipping! :D (combined weight in the near-100lb/45kg range!!)

      Strat :)

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    27. Re:Good by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Key escrow does not make you more vulnerable to a 3rd party. Sure, you're at risk from the 2nd party (government). But it in no way weakens the encryption algorithm. And the key storage would be as secure as the primary key storage you're currently using, so there is no additional vulnerability there either.

      A basic axiom of physical security is that if the value of something exceeds the value of stealing it, your security is inadequate. Security is a constant battle to find "cheaper" ways to steal the item vs. making safes that are harder from which to extract valuables.

      If keys are held in any secure place, whether in single key (really, really stupid) or a number of keys, their value is nearly immeasurable, especially as they are not physical items. That makes their theft quite possibly undetected. The money that might be stolen and quickly laundered and hidden would be vast. The security implications of the theft of state secrets might be even more costly. And you can be sure that several state operators would be willing to pay a huge price for it. many trade secrets would be under similar attack.

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    28. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

      Where does that say that your papers should be secure even with a warrant? It doesn't. Neither your individual or your collective right to privacy is absolute.

    29. Re: Good by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Back doors aren't 'baked in' if you use pre-Core Intel processors.

      I'd recommend an Alpha box over a MIPS SGI, though both can run Windows NT. Put Interix on top of it and you can build a whole GNU environment if you want.

      You can also go with an Alpha box and install NetBSD or OpenBSD and then you can run the latest open-source browsers, not just a Netscape fossil.

    30. Re:Good by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      public safety had to be balanced with privacy concerns

      In some ways he's right about this: there are situations where you really do need to balance one against the other. And that's the whole problem. The FBI, NSA, etc. decided it was up to them where to strike the balance, which of course meant giving themselves as much power as possible. And since they knew a lot of rabble rousing citizens wouldn't agree with their decisions, they went to huge lengths to hide what they were doing (and are still doing). If you keep your actions secret, you don't have to worry about anyone criticizing you.

      By doing that, they betrayed democracy. If a balance has to be struck between safety and privacy, it's up to the people to decide where to strike it. Not the police. Not the government. And the people can only make that decision through a fully informed public debate. The FBI and NSA didn't want a public debate, so they just did what they wanted and slapped "top secret" on everything to keep the people from finding out. By doing that, they made themselves into the bad guys. And they will remain the bad guys until they come clean about everything they have done, and accept that it's up to the people, not up to themselves, to decide where to strike the balance.

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    31. Re:Good by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      public safety had to be balanced with privacy concerns

      These are the SAME THING.

      No they aren't.

      He seems to live in a fantasy world where there are good guys and bad guys and magical thinking actually works.

      Or a real world where modern technology is rendering traditional law enforcement practices useless. If you are interested in maintaining some sort of rule of law this should concern you too.

    32. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > [public safety and privacy concerns] are the SAME THING

      No, no they're not. That's some impressively techno-myopic garbage. And that was Comey's point and frustration: tech people living in ivory towers thinking privacy concerns trump public safety in all cases. One can at least argue that position, but claiming they're the same is just stupid. The vast majority of public safety has nothing to do with privacy at all all in any way shape or form.

    33. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " they went to huge lengths to hide what they were doing (and are still doing). If you keep your actions secret, you don't have to worry about anyone criticizing you."

      So they're using encryption.

    34. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      public safety had to be balanced with privacy concerns

      These are the SAME THING.

      No they aren't.

      He seems to live in a fantasy world where there are good guys and bad guys and magical thinking actually works.

      Or a real world where modern technology is rendering traditional law enforcement practices useless. If you are interested in maintaining some sort of rule of law this should concern you too.

      Under these circumstances, that is what properly vetted, narrow search warrants are for, or equivalent court orders using the same standards to address privacy concerns.

    35. Re:Good by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Well, you see, you just don't get it. By public, they do not mean you, you don't count, you are not a person, not a real one, not the one percent that is, you are the 99%, the consumables. They want to be safe from us, when they lie to us, when they cheat us, when they steal from us and when they kill us. So their public safety (the only people that count, the one percent) has to be balanced against our privacy the 99%, well, the completely and utter total lack of it, hell, they don't concern themselves with out lives, except to get a groin rush from killing us in mass numbers, why would they care about our privacy, it's a threat to them. Non-establishment political affiliations, they want to put you out of work, with 100% digital currency they want to deny not only you ability to travel but also buy the essentials of life and deny you any communications you can not use what you can not pay for.

      When you are a kakistocracy, a government run by criminals, they need to know what you know and who to silence to keep the corruption going and by silence I do mean, 'Seth Riching' your ass (an honourable man betrayed by his own country and apparently by his fellow citizens, Americans should not have let that slide, they need to be ashamed).

      Former establishment lawyer for life appointed, in an extremely corrupt fashion, (an agent with extended history should have been selected upon a competing basis from a group of agents put forward) was politically appointed to that position purely upon the basis of the willingness to serve the corrupt interests of those who appointed him, this proven by fact, a rock solid history of failing to prosecute those publicly exposed for criminal actions. How did Obama put, oh yes, it is in the past, time to move on, it should be the standard response for any criminal in any court, gees what are you on about was in the past, let it go, you know, torture, war based on lies and who knows what else, meh, yesterday's problem.

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    36. Re:Good by jools33 · · Score: 1

      If the US government did this to EU devices they would violate GDPR, so it won't work in Europe, unless the EU starts making exclusions, which would be a steep and slippery slope.

    37. Re: Good by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I have to agree with tsa and the AC on this one. It's like the meaning of the word "unreasonable" in that sentence went completely over your head. People and courts can argue about precisely what that word means in that sentence until the end of time (or until a new amendment is passed to override it), but the way US law stands right now, if the courts find it reasonable, law enforcement officials have the right to violate your privacy. Feel free to complain about it all you like, it's not likely to change how our legal system works.

    38. Re:Good by conquistadorst · · Score: 1

      Amen, and couldn't the "the leaders of the tech companies" say the same exact thing but in opposite, in return? All crime enforcement sees is darkness and crime, not the truth that a majority of people are law abiding citizens? But no, it's not sunny, rich, and happy all the time... that doesn't exist anywhere.

    39. Re:Good by conquistadorst · · Score: 1

      Until the Chinese and Russian governments demand keys to ALL Apple devices, because devices sold outside their countries MIGHT be imported and used in China or Russia.

      Demand? Hah, why ask for permission when you can just ask for forgiveness later.

    40. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're missing the point. Comey and the likes live in a magical wonderland where there is an inherent weakness to all encryption in the world and their agencies and no one else will have access to it forever. Any opening that the FBI and NSA use to get access to encrypted information is one that in the most optimistic scenarios will "only" be used by foreign agencies as well. It ends up not helping security on the level the FBI and NSA want it to, but actually makes all communication on that medium effectively unencrypted. It's giving up privacy in perpetuity for a temporary advantage at best. Beyond that, the shady practices are a horrible example of how a lack of transparency in government is an ethical, financial, and security disaster.

    41. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say the most fundamental misunderstanding is to believe that there IS any difference WHATSOEVER between good and bad guys. To technology/cryptography that is.
      Unlike an door with a guard in front of it, a cryptographic key or backdoor is just as happy to open everything to criminals as the FBI.
      Nobody would protect the national gold reserves only with a secret number stored in some secret location with no guards. It would eventually find its way to people who'll be happy to take the gold "just lying around".
      While things like smartcards might be a lame attempt to emulate it, we have no way to simply post a reliable human guard next to digital secrets.

    42. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty it reads the same. They complied with the order and it was never about cost.

      Bottom line is Apple won't be handing out keys to my castle.

      Holes get patched all the time. Jailbreaking depends upon finding new means to break in. If it's a software solution then it's just a matter of time before it's invalid.

    43. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Another point is I don't trust the government to keep my escrowed key safe

      As someone with 3 separate letters from the Office of Personal Management relating to the leak of data they had, I feel your pain and agree with it 100%.

    44. Re: Good by budgenator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He has to believe that the Good-Guys can't become Bad-Guys, in his book he admits he didn't recommend HRC be prosecuted for mishandling classified material because they thought she would become President; which makes him one of the Bad-Guys. He sold-out for political favor, then found he had backed the loser!

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    45. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point.

      I believe that Comey is a smart man, but he's a Company Man. You get to the top at the Company by toeing the party line, and part of this particular party line is that the FBI are the Good Guys. And you know what, for the most part they are. However they see the world through the law enforcement lens, and in that world there are Good Guys and Bad Guys and the FBI are the Good Guys and the criminals are the Bad Guys. Simple!

      Except they have a hard time explaining J. Edgar Hoover. My best guess, they think either:

      1). Hoover was an aberration, all that nasty business is behind us now, why do you keep bringing up historical irrelevancies?!
      2). Hoover was a hard man for a hard time. His behavior looks bad to us now, but we really don't understand what it was like fighting the Mob, Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, and all the rest. Just be glad that Hoover was willing to do the dirty business. Hoover took the reputational hit and did so as a Patriot, so be grateful to him and cut him some slack;
      3). Hoover repressed subversives, Commies and criminals, they deserved all they got and more. Too bad the 'touchey-feelie' types don't allow that sort of two-fisted justice anymore!!

    46. Re: Good by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      ... if the courts find it reasonable, law enforcement officials have the right to violate your privacy.

      There are a few hard requirements besides the courts' determination that the violation is "reasonable":

      ... no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      So no search or seizure of private property, however "reasonable", can be made legal (which is what it means to issue a warrant) in the absence of a specific target and probable cause. The TSA (for one) lacks both probable cause and a specific target, and thus has no legal authority to search or seize anything without the owner's consent. The law purporting to authorize this behavior amounts to a warrant issued without probable cause and without "particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized", which makes it unconstitutional, and thus void.

      Let's say a legal warrant was issued for a specific case, however. That just means that law enforcement can legally ignore your property rights for the purpose of searching your property and/or seizing part of it as evidence. It does not imply that you have any obligation to help them understand it. Lest anyone make the mistake of thinking that "going dark" is a recent phenomenon, there were a number of well-known codes at the time this amendment was written, as well as any number of private ciphers, and it has long been established that while a warrant may allow law enforcement to seize a document written in code, it does not entitle them to compel the author—or anyone else—to decrypt the document or otherwise translate it into plain speech. The issuing of a warrant entitles the FBI to seize the physical device, nothing more. Making sense of it afterward is their problem, and theirs alone.

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    47. Re: Good by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      Your points aren't wrong, but they don't make sense if they were intended to refute mine.

      "There are a few hard requirements besides the courts' determination that the violation is "reasonable""

      Yes, but who nailed down those legal clarifications/distinctions/requirements surrounding that amendment? If your answer has the word "Court" in it (whether it has the word "Supreme" in it or not), then it backs up my point. I didn't say "a court", I said "the courts".

      "it does not entitle them to compel the author"

      What led you to make that tangential/misdirecting argument? I didn't suggest compelling an individual to implicate himself, and I didn't see anyone else suggest it either. This discussion is about compelling companies to give up information on individuals, which is completely different. Law enforcement and courts have long had the ability to compel phone companies, banks, and other companies to give up information regarding suspects under investigation. Yes, they have been plagued by questions about how far is "too far", but again the decisions end up being made by the courts.

    48. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why ask for forgiveness later when you can use the data you've stolen to retroactively give yourself permission?

    49. Re: Good by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Yes, but who nailed down those legal clarifications/distinctions/requirements surrounding that amendment? If your answer has the word "Court" in it (whether it has the word "Supreme" in it or not), then it backs up my point.

      The requirements come from the Constitution, which derives its power from the People. Not "a court" or "the courts" or even the Supreme Court, all of which derive their own authority from the Constitution and are not in a position to define what it means.

      I didn't suggest compelling an individual to implicate himself, and I didn't see anyone else suggest it either.

      Plenty of people have suggested it, though you might not have recognized the suggestion for what it is. This is the common thread running through all of the proposals to mandate backdoors in encryption—forcing people to assist law enforcement in deciphering their coded documents.

      This discussion is about compelling companies to give up information on individuals, which is completely different. Law enforcement and courts have long had the ability to compel phone companies, banks, and other companies to give up information regarding suspects under investigation.

      Yes, via the "third-party doctrine", another long-standing injustice. The absurdity that some consider information less protected for being held by someone who isn't even a suspect in the case goes without saying. Non-suspects should enjoy more protection against unreasonable searches, not less. This discussion isn't just about making companies give up information they hold about third parties, however, as bad as that is. What the FBI, or at least Cromey, wants is the power to compel companies like Apple to engineer design flaws into their security systems such that, on the off chance that the device later becomes the target of a warrant, the FBI will be able to break the code.

      This is all based on the mistaken assumption that obtaining a warrant gives the FBI a right to the plaintext data, not merely the physical device, and consequently that by securing the devices for their users these companies are obstructing legal warrants. That is not the case; the warrant only gives them the right to seize the device and perform such searches as they are able. The companies are not obstructing anything by making the devices secure against all attackers, including those in law enforcement.

      ... but again the decisions end up being made by the courts.

      The courts have a lot of power, but their authority is not unlimited. The role of the courts is to arbitrate disputes, not make law. They remain legitimate only so long as their rulings remain fair, just, and compatible with the natural rights of everyone involved.

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    50. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Public safety is collectivist terminology. My privacy is my individual right, not a collective bargaining chip against the collective of public safety. If government spent more time advocating for its citizens rights rather than thinking they are a detriment, we'd be living in a different country or world.

    51. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you have said is provably untrue, and I question why you would invent this fiction for any reason other than to attempt to slander Comey or Clinton.

      What Comey actually said is that the FBI didn't recommend HRC be prosecuted for mishandling classified material because HRC didn't actually *intend* to expose classified material. She was extremely careless, and while there was evidence she violated the rules for handling classified material, without intent it's not an offense for which a prosecutor would file charges.

    52. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Apple ignored a Federal warrant requiring them to assist in accessing a phone used by a dead terrorist.

      Nope. Apple handed over the information it had, which is what a warrant is for. The FBI wanted Apple to write special software, and Apple quite properly argued about that in the court system, since they disagreed with it. The courts do not exist to be rubber stamps for government agencies.

      The phone was actually owned by the employer of the dead terrorist and they gave permission to the FBI to do anything required to access the phone but Apple still refused.

      Let's see. There was no reason the think there was anything useful on that phone (the terrorist's personal phone had been wiped before the terrorist attack), and the FBI ordered the employer to do something that ended the possible access. Moreover, you're getting your entities mixed up. The FBI indeed could do anything with the phone.

      And a couple of days later they ended up getting a big kick in the nuts as a third party proved Apples vaunted security technology was complete bullshit.

      Apple's security technology has been improving. The phone in question was an iPhone 5C, which is the last model without the Secure Enclave, which removed a good many attack avenues.

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    53. Re:Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      that is every bit as secure as any top secret area in the world.

      In other words, vulnerable to a range of attacks. Publication, one way or another, of top secret material isn't exactly unheard of.

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    54. Re: Good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      if the courts find it reasonable, law enforcement officials have the right to violate your privacy.

      Which is not the same thing as the ability to violate your privacy. There's nothing in the Constitution that suggests that individual citizens should be required to make it easy.

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    55. Re: Good by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      "The courts have a lot of power, but their authority is not unlimited."

      True.

      "and are not in a position to define what it means"

      Are you kidding? That is what courts are for. Legislators craft and pass the written word of law, which is generally too vague to cover many real-world scenarios, and judges (plural, not singular) define precisely what those words mean in actual court cases. They resolve any ambiguities, they decide where any overlapping laws take precedence, etc.

      "Yes, via the "third-party doctrine", another long-standing injustice."

      Are we debating the way things should be or the way they are? Because it sounds like you are debating one while I am debating the other. The term "long-standing" implies that is is still standing, and that my point is still valid. I worry about what "should" be legal when I decide where to cast my votes. The rest of the time, I worry about the reality we have to live in.

    56. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Troll

      Pissy cunt moderators hate the truth! Why? Because it's so ugly and a reflection on you yourself? I sure wish there was real karma to put you people down for good!

    57. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no balance between freedom and human rights. Twats like you are the problem. I could list all the reasons, but ... piss off.

    58. Re:Good by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      In the real world where the FBI is a law enforcement agency? When this mess clears up they will go back to being the president's henchmen.

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  3. We do see the darkness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do see the darkness coming, but it is not the same darkness he is seeing. In fact, his darkness is like dusk to the darkness that could engulf us with the current trend of things in various areas.

    1. Re:We do see the darkness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

  4. Privacy is a public safety issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Full stop.

    1. Re: Privacy is a public safety issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, just stop

  5. nuts by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it would be nice to see how "crazy" he would feel if his own phone was hacked, his personal bank accounts stolen, his medical history made public, his emails analyzed in a foreign county just because a backdoor was mandatory for mobile devices.

    1. Re:nuts by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do you really think strong encryption keeps your phone from being 'hacked'. All it does - and all it's supposed to do - is keep someone in possession of your phone from reading its contents without unlocking it. But once you've unlocked your phone and the OS is running, any malware you've got on it has no problem reading all your data, stealing your bank account, etc.

      Now I'm not saying that it's not a good thing to have your phone encrypted - and strongly so. But let's not pretend that law enforcement - or even bad government actors - are the same thing as your everyday fraudsters that are able to steal your info just fine with the best encryption Apple can provide. Encryption does not protect your from OS bugs and malware that you installed and granted access to your device.

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    2. Re:nuts by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      Encryption provides protection from government scum (whether it be US, Chinese, or Russian) doing something like taking a device checked as luggage and either slurping its contents or installing malware on it, all without the user's knowledge.

    3. Re:nuts by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      There is a difference between protecting data on my phone and protecting data travelling from my phone over the internet possibly from a hotel in America to a bank in my home country

      And let's not pretend anything in the government's hands is safe. You might recall a fairly well known event where a guy called Snowdon managed to get hold of all the US Governmetn's secret stuff. How many others have also got it, but kept their mouths shut?

      Rest assured, other governments are no better at keeping data secret. The UK government has a habit of leaving top secret data on laptops in pubs or taxis. I would be astonished to hear that any government does significantly better.

      Remember, half the population is of below average intelligence, and the government employs a lot of people.
      Them odds ain't good.

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    4. Re: nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlocking the phone is what OP meant you fucking numpty.

    5. Re:nuts by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Remember, half the population is of below average intelligence,

      That is completely untrue. Intelligence is an inverted bathtub curve. Most people are of average intelligence, and it's not statistically possible to differentiate between them. So a huge hunk of the population is about the same intelligence.

    6. Re:nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are full of shit, mathematically ignorant.

    7. Re:nuts by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      it would be nice to see how "crazy" he would feel if his own phone was hacked, his personal bank accounts stolen, his medical history made public, his emails analyzed in a foreign county just because a backdoor was mandatory for mobile devices.

      You might want to read the news. This stuff already happens every day so maybe encryption isn't the golden privacy goose you think it is...

    8. Re:nuts by Rande · · Score: 1

      Of course, he'd be using a government phone where the keys would be kept a lot more securely than consumers phones, so he wouldn't have to worry about it.

    9. Re:nuts by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Almighty pedantic nerd, different averages have different meanings. You are just using a different method of average than he intended.

      In this case, you BOTH are correct. And you missed the joke. I fee bad that I had to explain this to you. Do you happen to work in government?

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    10. Re:nuts by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Yes, I get that the issue at hand is the government forcing Apple to unlock phones - or provide access to the contents of the device's storage. But the OP was implying that a government back door would expose you to garden-variety hackers. Either the public cares about the government being able to get a working subpoena for your phone data or it doesn't. And it's worth debating what level of access the government's ultimately going to get.

      Most people are okay with the FISA court granting permission to get in, and if that's going to happen, then let's try to make sure that it happens in a way that only lets them in with a FISA warrant. But let's not gin up unfounded fears about having your bank account be at the mercy of hackers if the government gets its way. That's not true.

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    11. Re:nuts by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The point is, the methods of measuring intelligence are not precise. Hence, almost all people are in the middle, where their intelligence can not be differentiated from anybody else's intelligence. Hence the majority of people have essentially the same intelligence.

  6. Comey should be grateful to Trump by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Because Trump has Comey pretty dead to rights on some leaks of information he was not authorized to share with the press. Trump would have been well within his legal rights and authority to haul Sessions into his office and bluntly tell him to impanel a grand jury under the principle that if we're going to prosecute seamen for taking selfies, we ought to crucify the Director of the FBI for acting like leaks are his discretionary power.

    1. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by tomhath · · Score: 1, Interesting

      How about the leaks that could cost him is license to practice law?

    2. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He shared his memos with a Columbia University friend, with the intention that they would then be leaked to the press. However, these memos are still considered classified information and government property. He would likely be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.

      http://thehill.com/policy/nati...

    3. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about the leaks that could cost him is license to practice law?

      Let's look for more information

      The Moonie Times, Zero Hedge, World Nut Daily, Daily Caller, The Blaze, etc, etc, the usual suspects.

      What is the basis for this and why are no serious publications reporting on this lawsuit? Because Ty Clevenger's lawsuit has no basis and zero chance of succeeding.

      The whole thing is based on an article claiming that 4 out of 7 of Comey's memos had confidential information, and therefore he must have forwarded at least one classified memo to his law-school friend.

      But the article doesn't actually cover when the information was deemed classified, it could very well have been classified after the fact in an effort to tar Comey. It also doesn't give any indication whether Comey would have reasonably thought the information to be classified, in fact he explicitly testified that he prepared the memos to be unclassified.

      Not to mention the original reporter and only source I found has a history of inaccurate reporting, so we could be missing some crucial context.

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    4. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 1

      So you don't think Comey lying under oath was a bad thing?

      When did Comey lie under oath?

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    5. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the leaks that could cost him is license to practice law?

      Ty Clevenger filed that accusation last year and nothing has come of it. He's famous for groundless political grandstanding.

      Pointing out that somebody else made the same accusation as you, by linking an article that does nothing to justify either of your accusations, is not the same as making an argument.

    6. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about the leaks that could cost him is license to practice law?

      Ty Clevenger filed that accusation last year and nothing has come of it. He's famous for groundless political grandstanding.

      Pointing out that somebody else made the same accusation as you, by linking an article that does nothing to justify either of your accusations, is not the same as making an argument.

      James Clapper committed blatant perjury - and nothing came of it.

      So I guess your argument is the Obama-era senior government officials aren't required to follow the law?

    7. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 5, Informative

      Odd how quickly you trust news stories that come from other biases only and from even less credible sources when you want them to be true.

      How often do you put your own beliefs on news through the same process?

      I subject my beliefs and sources of information to constant scrutiny.

      But I'm under no obligation to treat the far-right propagandist cargo cults masquerading as news organizations with anything other than scorn.

      Again with this one, I did my obligatory research, and in place of a fire I found clowns throwing smoke bombs.

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    8. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you not get dizzy with all that spin?

    9. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "But I'm under no obligation to treat the far-right propagandist cargo cults masquerading as news organizations with anything other than scorn"

      THIS. 1000 times.

    10. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When he presented unverified Russian propaganda to a FISA court to get a wiretap on Trump Tower, while under oath presenting that information as verified factual. The odd thing being he admitted he didn't verify it just weeks after he went to the FISA court with it.

      I would say that is the "smoking gun" example of it. There are others, but that is the one that even Comey and everyone else pretty much agree are him lying under oath.

      No that's not the case unless you live inside Trump's and Nunes' heads
      https://www.vox.com/world/2018...

      Those FISA requests were good for 90 days and were renewed - by Republican-appointed judges - at least THREE times.
      In case you haven't been keeping up, Comey and Mueller and Rosenstein are all Republicans, not just appointees.

    11. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found clowns throwing smoke bombs.

      Yes, the gag still works.

      I'm not sure what the story is here, other than the gag still works (draws flies like any other steaming heap) and most of these clowns will win reelection and other rewards for their hard work...

    12. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, the deplorables eat themselves when their privilege has reached the point that they attack the 3 letter organization that most has embraced their principles and goals and it's demise will bring some equality for people of color to the justice system.

    13. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a rhetorical pit trap. You've labelled some sources untrustworthy so you don't bother to look at their evidence--and there's plenty of evidence to look at here, it's not like his testimony was recorded on video or anything--so you don't even have to think. Oh, it's from X, I can just stop thinking now! No need to see whether recorded statements contradict each other. Certainly no need to see whether a bar complaint exists. ZeroHedge said it, so it can't be true.

      What a convenient position you have. There's no way out of it because no evidence can penetrate!

    14. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comey was fired for the renewals. You are making the claim that McCabe and Roseinatien also lied on renewals. Which is true, but someone asked for Comey lying under oath. You did not refute that, dumbass.

    15. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 1

      This is a rhetorical pit trap. You've labelled some sources untrustworthy so you don't bother to look at their evidence--and there's plenty of evidence to look at here, it's not like his testimony was recorded on video or anything--so you don't even have to think. Oh, it's from X, I can just stop thinking now! No need to see whether recorded statements contradict each other. Certainly no need to see whether a bar complaint exists. ZeroHedge said it, so it can't be true.

      What a convenient position you have. There's no way out of it because no evidence can penetrate!

      You miss the part where I dug up and read the original news article (the ONLY source of the claim I found) and researched the history of the reporter who wrote it.

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    16. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's weird how you only claim to have researched the reporter and not the actual facts. You know, the inconsistencies among his claims in his book, videotaped testimony, etc. ...

    17. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like the type of person who blamed Russia for leaking Hillary's emails, and pretended that the contents were not important or relevant to her loss. It was merely the fact that they were hacked which invalidated the damning contents in your mind.

      You are practicing textbook cognitive dissonance, making inaccurate decisions based on implicit bias and willful ignorance. You're obviously intelligent, which is what makes this so sad. Typically this type of thinking is reserved for the easily manipulated and mentally short.

    18. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 1

      It's weird how you only claim to have researched the reporter and not the actual facts. You know, the inconsistencies among his claims in his book, videotaped testimony, etc. ...

      Yeah, while debunking a hyperbolic claims about Comey leaking classified information via memos it's weird that I didn't mention anything about a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the actual topic being discussed.

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    19. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A lot of people have done a lot of anguished soul-searching since "their side" lost the 2016 election. They can't possibly accept that "their side" ran a horrible campaign and thumbed their noses at a huge silent majority. No, it's all political trickery by people pulling strings. The only kind of politics they have ever understood.

    20. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep living the delusion. There was no silent majority. He lost the popular vote by millions. That's not any 'majority' in any sense of the word.

    21. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This comment is sponsored by the Internet Research Agency.

    22. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the Fox News narrative on the FISA warrant is bullshit. Anyone paying actual attention knows this.

    23. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but no reasonable person would prosecute that case right?

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    24. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He lost the popular vote by a large enough margin in CA to allow you to claim he lost the "popular vote"

      But he didn't. We don't do a single massive popular vote.
      He won the popular vote in 30 states, giving him the electors needed for not just an electoral win, but an electoral landslide.

      The "Popular Vote" you point to is an irrelevant factoid with no bearing on how we elect a President to office. The Silent Majority doesn't live in CA and NY (where he got the "Popular Vote" margins. They live in fly-over country, you know, states full of deplorables like Wisconsin. A swing state Hillary neglected to visit even once during the campaign.

    25. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not FoxNews, its Congress House Intelligence committee. I have no idea what Fox News said. The people in CHARGE of FBI OVERSITE said the FBI acted improperly/illegally. I read their memo about 15 minutes after it was released, and it was pretty damning.

      Sorry that you think FBI illegally spying on people is acceptable, and that the FBI lying to obtains warrants is acceptable, but they are not. We now know that Comey has a /. account named bigfinger76.

    26. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I subject my beliefs and sources of information to constant scrutiny.

      ..as long as they conform to my confirmation bias, you mean?

      If you think leftist news sources like CNN, Thinkprogress, Media Matters, MSNBC, or HuffPost aren't propaganda machines, and are any more honest than Fox or Breitbart, then you're just spitting at your reflection. I mean, that's downright hilarious.
      No one is under any obligation to buy into their propaganda mill either.
      BTW, the guy you're replying to originally cited the Washington Post, hardly a conservative or right wing publication.

    27. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Are you under the impression that people of only one party commit perjury and get away with it?

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    28. Re:Comey should be grateful to Trump by quantaman · · Score: 1

      I subject my beliefs and sources of information to constant scrutiny.

      ..as long as they conform to my confirmation bias, you mean?

      If you think leftist news sources like CNN, Thinkprogress, Media Matters, MSNBC, or HuffPost aren't propaganda machines,

      MSNBC and moreso HuffPost I treat with some skepticism, CNN is generally decent, I don't read enough Thinkprogress or Media Matters to have an opinion.

      BTW, the guy you're replying to originally cited the Washington Post, hardly a conservative or right wing publication.

      No he didn't. He cited the Washington Times, aka "The Moonie Times" since it's owned by The Moonies. It can write proper news, it can also have ridiculous conservative propaganda.

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    29. Re: Comey should be grateful to Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What specifically is incorrect about it?

  7. I think he is terribly wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am by no means rich and I live where it is pretty damn dark and cold 6 month of the year and I would still prefer that my communications, contacts, etc, are secure from the likes of the bad guys or even the likes of the FBI. Or perhaps especially the likes of tyrannical regimes like the USA.

       

  8. Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting
    1. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Translation: "I'm talking out of my ass because I'm a Trump voter and we're the best at it."

    2. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Troll

      Translation: "I'm talking out of my ass because I'm a Trump voter and we're the best at it."

      Translation: "I'm a Shillary who anonymously posts lazy ad hominem instead of actually addressing the point raised, because I hope that other lazy liberals will get distracted mentally cheering me on and forget to do a little homework and see that the person I'm pretending to scold is actually correct."

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    3. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do what with leaking asses??

    4. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump voters sure are dumb. They think "Shillary" is a clever insult. Boy are you dumb. You're dumb.

    5. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Trump voters sure are dumb. They think "Shillary" is a clever insult. Boy are you dumb. You're dumb.

      It is a clever insult, maybe it's just too highbrow for your low humor. I mean you used dumb, three times. Sure is the height of intellectual humor coming from you. After all, everyone knows the left can't meme. I prefer Hillary "Side of Beef" Clinton myself.

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    6. Re:Fuck his leaking, lying ass. by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      I'm a Gary Johnson voter and my insult is calling her Hillary Fraudham Clinton.

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  9. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees,"

    Not at all, we see exactly what you are claiming. We just know for certain your claims are lies.
    Not mistakes, like a misunderstanding. Lies, as in you know damn well that you are lying, except we know damn well you are lying too.

    We see and point out to others the inaccuracy of your claims.
    We also point out the flawed logic of those false claims.

    We have no interest in performing favors for one criminal group (you) over any other.

    We disagree that you should be allowed to break the law in order to punish other people for doing nothing but the exact same actions.

    Either it isn't OK to break the law, in which case your entire process is flawed,
    Or it is OK to break the law, which makes it fine for you to do but at the same time means you don't get to punish anyone else for doing the same things because its OK.

  10. It's always going to be a challenge by sentiblue · · Score: 2

    I appreciate the work and dedication that law enforcement have to serve this country but that's where it ends. Cracking criminal is the task that law enforcement MUST do. The tech industry can help whenever they can but that's not a required responsibility. If they say they cannot help, they cannot help.

  11. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck him.

    Law enforcement at all levels, from small town cop to the director of the FBI, have become an adversary to all citizens, not just criminals.

    1. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A hammer is a tool. It doesn't take much of an IQ to be a tool.

  12. Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FBI does NOT GIVE A FUCK about protecting the average US citizen.

    You want proof of this assertion ? Notice how the FBI was warned about the kid who shot up the school in Florida, yet the FBI did NOTHING about it.
    Consider what the FBI would have done if that idiot shooter had presented a threat to a high government official. You can bet they would have done
    something about THAT !!!

    The FBI cares about doing what it takes to retain its own power. And that is ALL the FBI cares about.

    1. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      A single anecdote does not constitute proof. You'd need a far greater body of evidence to back your assertion. Also, it isn't the FBI's job to investigate people BEFORE a crime is committed. I'd prefer that the FBI not move any further in that direction than it already has.

    2. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      James Woods called the FBI about suspicious Islamic men on one of his flights right before 9/11. Guess he talked to the same FBI employee as the the Florida shooter tipster.

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    3. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Boston Marathon bomber and the father of the nighclub shooter in Orlando were paid FBI informants. Even the Garland, TX terrorists were in communication with the FBI before their attack, and a security guard is suing the FBI for not stopping it. It will be interesting what comes out during discovery.

    4. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > father of the nighclub shooter

      And, he used money from the FBI to help plan a terrorist attack in Pakistan:

      http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/26/fbi-omar-mateen-dad-informant/

      "informant was himself raising money to plan a terrorist attack on the government of Pakistan."

    5. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 0

      Not a crime to be Islamic, on a plane, or even to be suspicious. Again -- FBI investigates crimes that have occurred. They aren't responsible for pre-emptive arrests. Until there is evidence of a crime, that's just something to put into the file for after-the-fact analysis. If the caller had said that he saw weapons, or if he said he spoke Arabic and heard the men discussing their plans, that would be very different.

    6. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. Cointelpro, for one.

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    7. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Cointelpro is a leaflet bullet point from J Edgar Hoover's FBI. It's decades old history. Are you saying today's FBI is the same as J Edgar Hoover's FBI?

    8. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also investigate reports in order to prevent criminal actions. And for that matter it is actually a crime to declare the intent to become a mass shooter. The FBI had an obligation to investigate that crime and hopefully prevent the crime that actually occurred resulting in 17 deaths. But they opted instead to do nothing, and 17 people died.

    9. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      J Edgar Hoover still has his name written on the side of the FBI building.

    10. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Cointelpro is a leaflet bullet point from J Edgar Hoover's FBI. It's decades old history. Are you saying today's FBI is the same as J Edgar Hoover's FBI?

      As an old fart who lived through that era, the differences are more quantitative than qualitative; and it's not just the FBI, there are numerous similarities.

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    11. Re:Comey doesn't care about the average American. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What could the FBI have done about that? Being a threat in general is not a criminal offense. Being the sort of person who could plausibly be seen committing mass murder isn't a crime. About the only thing law enforcement could have done is follow the guy 24/7 and try to stop him when he actually committed a crime. That sort of thing is expensive, and I don't know how many other people were deemed similarly threatening and didn't actually kill anyone.

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    12. Re: Comey doesn't care about the average American. by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      No. They definitely killed 3000 people. I'm just saying it wasn't the FBI's role to arrest them beforehand on someone's casual tip.

  13. "A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like treason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can people in the FBI decide themselves who to be loyal too? (I sure hope its not Russia)

  14. Google it by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He goes on to lament the lack of "true listening" between tech and law enforcement, saying that "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees," such as terrorism and organized crime.

    You colossally ignorant savage, you see tiny issues like terrorism and organized crime and don't see the darkness George Orwell, the Founding Fathers, and many others saw -- a boot stepping on a human face, forever.

    Billions continue to live in despotism as their leaders use the tech you want for "crime" to catch and punish any challengers to their power.

    Both Russia and China have leaders currently consolidating power for the long term, at least partly because of the lack of crypto government can't get into.

    Thou impious fool.

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    1. Re:Google it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You colossally ignorant savage, you see tiny issues like terrorism and organized crime and don't see the darkness George Orwell, the Founding Fathers, and many others saw -- a boot stepping on a human face, forever.

      He's not ignorant. He wants to be the one wearing the boot.

    2. Re:Google it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still sounds ingnorant to me. It's predicated on the belief that there is a one wearing the boot who does not himself have a boot on his own neck.

    3. Re:Google it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You colossally ignorant savage, you see tiny issues like terrorism and organized crime and don't see the darkness George Orwell, the Founding Fathers, and many others

      You know, "George Orwell and the Founding Fathers" makes for a decent band name

    4. Re:Google it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a curious thing how the most evil men convince themselves that they are doing good. I honestly believe that Comey thinks that he's been a force for good in the world despite all the evidence to the contrary.

    5. Re: Google it by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      Yes, because they rarely get to advertise when shit goes right and legitimate bad guys are stopped. I guarantee he sees shit everyday when dealing with scum of the earth and bet he's really proud when fuckfaces are caught and attacks prevented.

    6. Re:Google it by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 0

      Both Russia and China have leaders currently consolidating power for the long term, at least partly because of the lack of crypto government can't get into.

      Thou impious fool.

      So if I've got you right, tyranny and despotism was invented at roughly the same time as widely used encryption about twenty years ago? Interesting theory....

    7. Re: Google it by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Yes, because they rarely get to advertise when shit goes right and legitimate bad guys are stopped.

      Why? Aren't the trials supposed to be public?

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    8. Re:Google it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always found it silly when a story's "bad guy" sees themselves as such.

      Pretty much everyone sees themselves as the hero in their own story. The number of people that see themselves as doing evil, is very, very small.

    9. Re:Google it by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      the Founding Fathers, and many others saw

      I read the Federalist Papers once. There was a section about how States should have a militia because redneck hicks might try an uprising and the Federal Government shouldn't have to bother sending in an army when Pennsylvania can call up their own Pennsylvanian Militia to put Pennsylvania savages back in their place.

      Somehow, a lot of people seem to interpret this as a lament that Pennsylvania savages might one day find themselves not capable of fighting the Pennsylvania Militia and the United States Military, hence the second amendment.

      Meanwhile, George Washington was actually leading the Federal Military to crush rebellion over a whiskey tax, talking about how a well-regulated Militia would allow the States to crush said rebels themselves, and totally-unaware that the Union Army would one day have to crush the rebellion of the States themselves.

  15. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't he fire from being Director of the FBI? You don't suppose he has an ax to grind, do you? Unrepentant liars and criminals always find a need to go about trying to justify themselves. Just look at Hilderbeast. Never able to admit that she and her ideology are bankrupt.

    1. Re:Really? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Clintons are 'third way' moderate Democrats. It is indeed correct that the Clinton ideology is bankrupt.

  16. FBI whant the master keys to all devices by Danielsen · · Score: 1

    If FBI get their back door as they wish, then they would be able to unlock devices of tourists and business people visiting the USA.
    Since USA have not been elected to rule the world, then other governments should have the possibilities.
    This would enable china to spy on business phones entering China.

  17. Respect: its all about respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think its absolutely clear the FBI never had much respect for this community at all.

    We;re all one horrid nerd stereotype or the next true or not.

    They spend more time worrying that we are not being submissive enough to them, rather than protecting the people they were sworn to protect.

    The rest of us have found out working with these "smash fly with hammer" clowns is a waste of time, as they are treacherous, egotisitical, and care more about maintaining power and control than protecting people. So, using backdoorless encryption does more to help actual people.

    They absolutely hate this, and hate the fact that someone is doing their job for them, protecting people. And does it with less malice, spite, and hatred.

  18. I wonder, does he see the darkness we see? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the rising tide of corruption, the demise of the middle class, the loss of public domain and the looming climate disaster

  19. He is lying as usual.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he was already crazy well before 2014.

  20. He's right by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees"

    They see a different, more dangerous kind of darkness: one brought about by the FBI and law enforcement and the rest of the government itself. The 4th amendment and the broader right to privacy itself is supremely important to avoiding a tyrannical government.

    This is more important than any benefit against terrorism and organized crime.

    1. Re:He's right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly, he thinks we're missing something, when he's the clueless one. He's busy worrying aobut the shadows of people walking by while the rest of us are worried about the growing shadow of the mountain.

    2. Re:He's right by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees"

      They see a different, more dangerous kind of darkness: one brought about by the FBI and law enforcement and the rest of the government itself. The 4th amendment and the broader right to privacy itself is supremely important to avoiding a tyrannical government.

      Er, except when it comes to "progressive" causes. In that realm, it's perfectly fine to, say, target you with the IRS for wrongthink :)

  21. He's fired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, this kind of attitude makes me glad he's out. Sorry being FBI is hard. Yes, taking away people's rights would make your job easier.

  22. Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So what we know about Comey is:

    (1) He was politically motivated in Hillary's E-mail case, trying to help her gain legitimacy after election.

    (2) He was politically motivated to hurt Trump.

    (3) He likes to spy on American citizens.

    "A Higher Loyalty" indeed. The FBI started out being run by megalomaniac, corrupt authoritarians, and little has apparently changed.

    1. Re:Comey... by david.emery · · Score: 2

      The FBI started out being run by megalomaniac, corrupt authoritarians, and little has apparently changed.

      No one has accused Comey of cross-dressing, though.

    2. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comey was always a Justice asshole. They should at least promote someone who isn't a politician. But that's wish fulfillment.

      Hopefully Lynch stays permanently thrown under the bus. Regardless of her public statements she was working against the FBI and working for the Clintons. Should have stayed out of it, but couldn't say no to Obama.

      And at least Sessions can say no to Trump now and then.

    3. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Saying Hillary was under investigation 11 days before an election was hardly helping her. Democrats are all oh so mad about that. He was just point out a possible upside.

      He seems motivated by a personal code of morality that is intentionally oblivious to political reality.

    4. Re:Comey... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Higher loyalty indeed.

      You just don't know what the higher power is to which he gives his loyalty.

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    5. Re:Comey... by reboot246 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He does a pretty good job dressing as a human to disguise his real identity - a snake.

      Comey's loyalty is to the state and himself. He doesn't know God. He has nothing but disdain for ordinary citizens. He hates Trump with a passion few have. He's a big man wrapped up in himself. I pray for his soul.

      Yep, he's a snake.

    6. Re:Comey... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      (1) He was politically motivated in Hillary's E-mail case, trying to help her gain legitimacy after election.

      Did you sleep through the entire election? Comey is the one who brought up the emails a week or two before the election, claiming there was some hithertoo undiscovered cache of emails that hadn't been examined yet... which turned out to be complete BS.

      Comey was a major reason why Clinton lost the election. She was leading by a wide margin before Comey stuck his oar in.

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    7. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Comey is the one who brought up the emails a week or two before the election

      Yes, and he has personally stated why. He didn't do it to hurt Clinton, he did it because he assumed she was going to win and thought it would help her to deal with this before her coronation.

      Comey was a major reason why Clinton lost the election. She was leading by a wide margin before Comey stuck his oar in.

      Hillary lost because she was a lying, incompetent, corrupt psychopath with no charisma, no political skills, and no redeeming qualities: she caused life-long Democrats like myself to leave the party in disgust.

      Polls showed her leading all the way until election day; the polls were simply wrong. Probably a lot of people who hated her hung up on pollsters, like I did. Why help these people manipulate me?

    8. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. While I think the Democrats are fucking full on retarded that they think HURR EMAILZ immediately before the election had an effect (because people had no idea who they were voting for until then, right?)... There's absolutely no way to spin that shit as "helping".

      I'd question the morality part. It's clear Comey has higher loyalty to Comey, and Comey's standing order to Comey is to fuck with everyone, because he's James Motherfucking Comey.

    9. Re: Comey... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2
      He did that to seize evidence from New York cops, who know how to prosecute corruption. Get the evidence safely in the hands of the FBI, where it can be buried.

      What was Hillary thinking, anyway? Sending classified information on a crappy Windows server? She should be in Leavenworth for that! You and I certainly would be.

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    10. Re:Comey... by golodh · · Score: 1
      We know even more about Mr. Comey. E.g. we also know that Mr. Comey is:

      (4) An excellent judge of character in spotting a mob boss who gained office

      (5) Someone with the moral integrity not to give a personal oath of loyalty to an "El Presidente" figure.

      I wonder how long Dirty Donald will be able to continue to abuse and debase his political office and menace the world. Personally I can't wait until Mr. Mueller subpoenas his emails and makes him eligible for the extended jail service he so tantalisingly keeps evading.

    11. Re:Comey... by swillden · · Score: 1

      While I think the Democrats are fucking full on retarded that they think HURR EMAILZ immediately before the election had an effect

      I'm not a Democrat (and didn't vote for Clinton, either of them), but anyone who thinks that the October surprise didn't make a difference is a drooling idiot. The effect was immediately obvious in the poll numbers. While the polls turned out to be less accurate than usual (most likely due to large numbers of people who were embarrassed to admit to a pollster that they wanted to vote for Trump, but did it in the privacy of the voting booth), given how razor-thin Trump's win margin was (remember he actually lost the popular vote), the couple of percentage points Comey cost may very well have made the difference for Clinton.

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    12. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent presentation of facts and I commend your discipline at keeping your personal biases out of your astute, technical assessment. Extra points for the source to your claims and the deep psychological insights you've provided.

    13. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. This is always a fun game. Troll or complete moron?

      I'm leaning toward Troll since no one could be this stupid.

    14. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 2

      (4) An excellent judge of character in spotting a mob boss who gained office

      Actually, what his "mob boss" comment shows is that he is someone who misuses the authority of his office and fails to fulfill his job function properly.

      (5) Someone with the moral integrity not to give a personal oath of loyalty to an "El Presidente" figure.

      You have to completely lack moral integrity yourself to think that Comey's corrupt and partisan conduct amounts to "moral integrity".

      Personally I can't wait until Mr. Mueller subpoenas his emails and makes him eligible for the extended jail service he so tantalisingly keeps evading.

      For what? For consensual sex? For talking to foreign leaders about the US election? There is nothing Trump has done that the Clintons (or the Kennedys for that matter) haven't done in spades, and they don't seem to be in jail.

      I wonder how long Dirty Donald will be able to continue to abuse and debase his political office and menace the world.

      The way things are going, probably another six years. Debasing the office of the presidency is perfectly fine with a lot of voters, who were tired of Obama's imperial pen-and-phone presidency. And saber rattling as Trump may be, he's still been less of a foreign policy psychopath than Hillary.

      Until Democrats wake up and start nominating better candidates than Hillary, Kamala, Elizabeth, Joe, Bernie, or Corey, candidates that run on a platform other than "oppressed minorities are going to take over the country and pay back white hetero cis-males for their crimes, redistribute money from 'the 1%', and fix our social and economic problems through taxing and government spending", Democrats are going to continue to lose, for the simple reason that any sane American doesn't want the whole country to end up looking like Democratic Detroit.

      Can you give any examples of cities run by Democrats where you don't have massive inequality, massive welfare dependency, and massive social problems?

    15. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how the election was basically between

      a lying, incompetent, corrupt psychopath with no charisma, no political skills, and no redeeming qualities

      and

      a lying, incompetent, corrupt psychopath, no political skills, with charisma, and no other redeeming qualities

      Yeah, I had to plug my nose when I voted last time.

    16. Re:Comey... by dwpro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and he has personally stated why. He didn't do it to hurt Clinton, he did it because he assumed she was going to win and thought it would help her to deal with this before her coronation.

      I'd say that's the least-gracious way to read that. My take is that he didn't think it would be a game-changer for the outcome, and that if the news came out after the election that the'd re-opened the investigation it would undermine the legitimacy of the election (IE, the deep state covering up for Hillary). Moreover, at the time the word on the street was that that folks inside the FBI were going to leak it if Comey didn't speak up, so his hand was forced either way.

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    17. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      claiming there was some hithertoo undiscovered cache of emails that hadn't been examined yet... which turned out to be complete BS.

      That wasn't BS at all. There were undiscovered emails that were found on Anthony Wiener's laptop

    18. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying Hillary was under investigation 11 days before an election was hardly helping her.

      At the time, they were convinced Hillary was going to win in a landslide victory regardless. They wanted to get this out of the way before the election was over.

    19. Re:Comey... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'm not a Democrat (and didn't vote for Clinton, either of them)

      I am a Democrat, and didn't vote in 2016 because the lesser of two evils isn't my voting strategy. Nevada has a "None of these Candidates" option so you can claim you voted even when that happens. Hillary wrote a book about how it's everybody else's fault she lost; do you want that for President?

      I would have voted for Bill--I did vote for Bill, but it didn't count because I was like seven.

      I'd go for Elizabeth Warren or even Joe Kennedy--for different reasons. I have suggested others, but one of them practically bit my head off because she didn't want to be a politician, much less President--there are a few of us running this year with that position, but damn, something must be done and nobody is doing the right something (which is how several of us ended up as Congressional candidates with no prior political experience).

      Among the somethings that must be done, treating prisoners like human beings.

    20. Re:Comey... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      he caused life-long Democrats like myself to leave the party in disgust.

      Well get back here and help me fix it! We have work to do.

    21. Re: Comey... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Leavenworth Smedry? What did he do this time? Is he late again?

    22. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Yes he lost the popular vote. That was never the goal. The only vote that mattered, the electoral college, he won with a healthy majority. I'd say he won quite comfortably. Even with the Clinton e-mail circus, she was projected to win on every poll. Nobody who was going to vote for her would say "Wait, the e-mails are coming up AGAIN? This must be the real one this time that does it!" and then hurry up and change for Trump. The people who were going to vote for her, were pretty much always going to vote for her. The people who were going to vote for Trump, were pretty much always going to vote for him. You can't blame it on anything else. Sure, one or two waterheads might have changed their vote based on that, but in the only vote that mattered, the Electoral College, he won comfortably. You can't blame anything but Clinton's incompetence and crappy character. She chose to ignore those states she lost. She chose to alienate a large portion of the voter population by simply insulting them. It was her, nobody else, who lost the election.

    23. Re:Comey... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Comey is the one who brought up the emails a week or two before the election

      And now we know why. He HAD to, to cover the greater crime of obstruction of Justice in order to prevent the full revelation of what was found on Anthony Weiner's laptop, under the investigation of a human trafficking case and involving minor girls, by Hillary's Right Hand Lady, Huma's husband.

      They call it a swamp, but that is polite way of calling a cesspool. The Gators aren't even swimming in that crap.

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    24. Re:Comey... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the FBI that was going to leak it, it was the NYPD, who had the laptop of Weiner, with the Under Age Girl on it. Everyone keeps forgetting WHY the whole thing was exposed. And now we know that Lynch was involved in that coverup, using Eric Garner's case to obfuscate (obstruct) the NYPD investigation into Weiner.

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    25. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm a leftist (so I usually vote Democrat) and something of a pragmatist, so I vote for the lesser of two evils. If you refuse to vote for the lesser evil, you are being completely useless as a voter.

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    26. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The way things are going, probably another six years.

      Trump won a narrow victory, and has been alienating significant numbers of his supporters since, as well as energizing his opponents. The 2020 Democratic campaign is likely to be better run than the 2016 one (wouldn't be hard). Besides, I have no faith that Trump will be in any physical shape to run in 2020.

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    27. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the polls turned out to be less accurate than usual

      Actually, the 2016 polls were more accurate than usual (more details). The mis-prediction of the election was not due to poor polling data but poor analysis combined with a very close election.

    28. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Trump won a narrow victory, and has been alienating significant numbers of his supporters since, as well as energizing his opponents.

      Trump didn't won because people liked him, he won because people loathed his opponents. And Trump's approval rating has actually been going up.

      The 2020 Democratic campaign is likely to be better run than the 2016 one (wouldn't be hard).

      Who are the candidates? Biden? Booker? Warren? Harris? Steyer? Sanders? Good luck with that.

    29. Re:Comey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polls showed her leading all the way until election day; the polls were simply wrong.

      No - you just weren't paying attention. Those polls were all national polls, which guess what, were exactly right. Hillary did win the national popular vote by a wide margin.

      It was a few battleground states that swung the electoral college to Trump. And if you followed detailed polling sites like 538, there were state polls all along that indicated this could happen. Hillary's lead there was well within the margin of error.

      It wasn't the polls that were wrong. It was people who don't know how to use them.

    30. Re:Comey... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Vote Stalin 1944! Adolf Hitler Very Bad Man(TM)!

      Breaking! Josef Stalin wins popular vote, amazing electorate turn-out! The Will of the People served!

    31. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Trump didn't won because people liked him, he won because people loathed his opponents.

      Including all the opponents in the Republican nomination process? That's an awful lot of opponents to loath.

      Who are the candidates?

      This is 2018. There's plenty of time for a candidate to establish himself or herself. Besides, it would appear that the Democrats should win as long as the candidate isn't loathed by too many gullible people.

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    32. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Did you have an actual point? If you want to avoid having candidates you really dislike, get involved in the nomination process. Also, I don't know of any Presidential candidate in my lifetime nearly as bad as Stalin or Hitler.

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    33. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Including all the opponents in the Republican nomination process? That's an awful lot of opponents to loath.

      Yes, pretty much. Trump's Republican opponents were largely establishment candidates.

      This is 2018. There's plenty of time for a candidate to establish himself or herself.

      Good luck with that. Any of the people I have seen aren't going to make it.

      Besides, it would appear that the Democrats should win as long as the candidate isn't loathed by too many gullible people.

      Gullible people almost let a war mongering, corrupt, incompetent, corporatist, homophobic psychopath take the presidency; fortunately, that didn't happen. Hopefully, people will remain at least that smart.

    34. Re:Comey... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      If you want to avoid having candidates you really dislike, get involved in the nomination process.

      We have popular-vote instead of ranked-choice. People strategically vote based on for whom they think everyone else will vote.

      Also, I'm voting for myself for US Congress this year.

    35. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm not actually sure that Trump's homophobic, although it wouldn't surprise me. Other than that, they did.

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    36. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Oh, Trump probably scores above average on all those categories, but Hillary is off the scale. People had two choices, and they chose the lesser of two evils.

    37. Re:Comey... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Clinton is competent at most things, and I've seen no sign of psychopathy. Trump is corrupt as they come or more, using the office of President to directly help out family businesses. There were some dubious things going on with the Clinton Foundation, but when checked out it proved to be a bona fide charity, unlike anything Trump's done. Trump's been saber-rattling at North Korea, of all places.

      The people did select the lesser of two evils. The electoral college didn't.

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    38. Re:Comey... by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Clinton is competent at most things

      Someone "competent at most things" would have won against Trump in a landslide. Clinton managed to lose and become overwhelmingly disliked despite having massive amounts of money, the support of foreign leaders, most of academia, and most of the press, and most of the Democratic party machinery.

      and I've seen no sign of psychopathy.

      Her post election behavior alone shows her to be callous, amoral, narcissistic, egocentric, and unable to learn from experience, classic traits of psychopathy. Of course, most presidents are psychopaths, including Trump; the real question is how they direct that psychopathy. Hillary is in a class of her own with her callousness, narcissism, and egocentricity; utterly destructive.

      The people did select the lesser of two evils. The electoral college didn't.

      Well, I didn't vote for either of them, but looking back, I am utterly relieved that Hillary didn't get elected.

  23. Re: "A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like trea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume (hope) he's referring to loyalty to the nation and Constitution, rather than the president.

  24. Context? by fred911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This book hasn't been released yet. The link provides a short quote and opinions about the context without sufficient information to be useful for anything but marketing hype. The link is an advertorial designed to generate hype.

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  25. Donald Trump and James Comey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of these individuals lied to Congress under oath and sabotaged an entire US election. Can you guess who?

    1. Re:Donald Trump and James Comey by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's easy. Comey, in both cases. The thing is, Comey didn't think he was sabotaging her. He thought he was helping her by trying to get out a head when she became president. He was 100% sure just like those pollsters that said Hillary had a 98% to win.

      That, in itself should bother every single person that believes that law enforcement should be politically neutral. He re-opened the case because he believed it would favor her.

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  26. It's not by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    I mean, the article proving this is bullshit is still on the front page here. At best it's a minor inconvenience. Your phone's been owned 8 ways from Sunday. This crap from Comey is all just theater.

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    1. Re:It's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The FBI wants a ready-made excuse as to why they can't solve a major crime or find terrorists--it's because they can't unlock phones. This is mostly about deflecting blame. In truth, catching criminals and terrorists (not a well defined group) requires an array of skills and efforts that the FBI is often not able to muster. But they do get blamed by politicians looking to blame someone when something goes wrong--and they want blame deflection too.

  27. Works both ways by denbesten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He [James Comey] goes on to lament the lack of "true listening" between tech and law enforcement, saying that "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees,"

    Similarly, the FBI appears to be not listening to the tech companies and not seeing the darkness they see. Things such state secrets repeatedly escaping (Snoden, Reality Winner, TSA keys), a perception that when a secret is shared with somebody else, it no longer is a secret and a belief that if one person can "break" encryption, so can somebody else.

  28. Big Brother or Big Terror/Crime? Both: by davidwr · · Score: 0

    If truly-unbreakable encryption is the norm, you really do make it a lot easier on terrorists and criminals. On the "pro freedom" side it also allows anonymous communications that a hostile government doesn't like to exist. Anyone who doesn't see these things is blind, ignorant, or a fool.

    On the flip side, lack of truly-unbreakable encryption being the norm makes it easier to disrupt communications between terrorists and criminals. It also makes it all too easy for a government to turn evil quickly, assuming for the sake of argument that it's not already evil. Anyone who doesn't see these things is also blind, ignorant, or a fool.

    So how can we have both a society that has truly free speech where encryption is the norm but also a society where crime, terrorism, and the like are not huge problems?

    I recommend encouraging the use of routine, unbreakable encryption, while teaching our kids to respect each other and setting a good example as a nation by respecting other nations - that is, taking into account whether our actions as a nation will make countries or their citizens/residents see America.

    In a couple of generations, we can be a country where kids and young adults know and value respect and where the rest of the world doesn't see us as a selfish country/bully that "needs to be given a bloody nose from time to time" or worse, and at the same time a country that not only says we value freedom of speech, but a country in which all private speech really is "private by default" and no court order can decrypt it in transit or in storage, because it will be technically impossible to do so.

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  29. Re:Big Brother or Big Terror/Crime? Neither by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I meant "neither" not "both" - that's what happens when you edit your post several times and don't rewrite the title.

    Obviously, I don't want "Big Brother" nor do I want to live in an unsafe society. I want a society that is safe because relatively few people are motivated to hurt others, not because "Big Brother" is stopping crime before it happens.

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  30. terrorism / organized crime = political prisoners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ' "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees," such as terrorism and organized crime. '

    It should be no surprise that we don't see things the same way. Your use of these words mostly describes political persecutions of certain people and groups. It reminds of of the short Netflix series Wild Wild West where a politically persecuted religious group flees India for the United States in the 1980s and sets up camp in Oregon. The locals have a strong prejudice against the religious group and attempts to stop the group from building a small city out in the desert. In response the religious community utilizes democracy (it's numbers) to take over the nearby town. This is in response to the government and townspeople going after the new city that gets built. Well financed players get involved and before you know it the group is having to utilize democracy again to survive. They draw in the poor and homeless and attempt to get these people registered to vote- for county elections-but the government illegally denies *ALL* there right to partake in the elections via a blanket ban on new registrations. The reaction to this injustice should be violence, and the group did arm themselves, and this is the sort of thing that the FBI is framing as terrorism. It's absurd. While bad shit did happen it comes off to me as mostly the result of prejudices and persecution of the religious group by the people and later FBI.

    Similar things are happening today. The FBI raided a former activist, radio station, and home of one of the most prominent members of the Free State Project for "child porn" and are now investigating him for other "crimes". The FBI stole dozens of computers of his tenants and radio equipment in there attempt to shut down the speech of a disliked individual and his organization. The internet connection was used at the time of the supposed "incident" by hundreds of activists. The reality is there have been no trials because the entire incident was fabricated by the FBI as a means of attacking Ian Freeman- a leading member of a political community that is disliked. To make matters worse the FBI was attacked by Mark Edge for being hypocrites- a co-host- two weeks prior to the raid- for get this DISTRIBUTING CHILD PORN. Yes- the FBI says child porn hurts children and so if that logic follows then the FBI was hurting children. The FBI added servers and increased the availability of child porn for MONTHS. Free Talk Live was the only major syndicated talk show to cover the Play Pen case outside of tech circles. Similarly there are hate groups like "Stop Free Keene" that have been setup to spread slander about participants- particularly those in leadership roles. For instance the few dozens of libertarians at the state house, people running for mayor, leading activists, etc.

  31. I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're just lazy. In the past, detectives used to "detect." Now they want everything given to them with a button's push.

    1. Re:I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not laziness, that's borderline racist. It would be more correct to call them low IQ skill workers, AKA: fucking retards.

    2. Re: I'll say it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Borderline racist for calling fbi lazy.

      This shit has got to stop.

      The meaning of racist means whatever you want it to mean I guess. To fit your narrative. Sad.

  32. James Comey is/was basically a cop by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Police hold a lot of power. The definition of the boundaries on that power should not be definable by them.

    Police (ethical ones) really only care about what they can do within the law to solve crimes. It’s not their job to think about the big questions, and I’m not going to fault them for that (although the top cops should probably try to step outside their box).

    But it’s also why I don’t put a lot of weight into their opinions on things like this, or the rights of the accused, or the inviolability of personal property. And it’s one of the many reasons the people who *did* spend time thinking about the big questions gave us a Bill of Rights.

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    1. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Police (ethical ones)

      Both of them?

      ...really only care about what they can do within the law to solve crimes.

      And when the law is unethical?

      It's not their job to think about the big questions, and I'm not going to fault them for that

      If your job involves doing violence to people then absolutely must think about the big questions. You would treat police officers, hit men, soldiers, and mob goons, and brown shirts as equivalent "just doing their job" workers?

      A police officer that is acting within the law and doing their job as the muscle of the government, enforcing unjust laws and attacking innocent people (e.g. war on drugs) deserve every bit of our contempt. I certainly count no police officers among my friends. I once had an acquaintance who turned out to be a pig and I cut him off and told him why.

      In a place where the law is somewhat close to justice I'd be more lenient, but there is no such place in the world today, not even close.

    2. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Would you be for or against abolishing resisting arrest without creating a danger to the officer or the community as a separate crime on its own?

    3. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If your job involves doing violence to people then absolutely must think about the big questions. You would treat police officers, hit men, soldiers, and mob goons, and brown shirts as equivalent "just doing their job" workers?"

      Some police departments weed out candidates above a certain intelligence level. If all laws were just there would be no reason to do something like this.

    4. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Won't that just result in more people resisting arrest, creating a danger to the officer or the community (and probably the suspect)?

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    5. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, perhaps not.

      When a police officer unnecessarily places a suspect in a painful and potentially-injurious hold, the suspect naturally will attempt to resolve the pain by moving in a way as to reduce the pressure. This is essentially fighting with the officer and resisting arrest. I've watched police officers throw compliant suspects to the ground, drag them several meters, and then force them roughly into handcuffs--they weren't compliant after the officer initiated the use of force.

      The use of such force as pulling, pushing, and running away is not harmful to the officer or the community. It may result in a few bruises and scrapes, but that's about all. Violent attack, the use of a weapon, hostage situations, theft (such as of a bicycle), and so forth are, on the other hand, escalated crimes which are chargeable and dangerous. Failure to surrender to the nearest police officer at the moment you become aware of a warrant for your arrest is essentially similar to resisting arrest without committing these dangerous crimes in the process.

      It is the nature of all humans to seek freedom and liberty. Fear of arrest is common due to the current perception of police brutality and police power dynamic--that they can say whatever they want and they are de-facto unimpeachable truth--and so the nature of humans to avoid arrest is obvious. While this nature may affect the immediate likelihood of probation and parole, it seems to me that resisting arrest (and escaping prison) are not matters for which we should have the power to issue sentence.

      By implementing as the standard in the United States no less than full compliance with the Nelson Mandela Rules and Dynamic Security, we will reduce the sense of insecurity among prisoners, including those facing arrest. This reduces conflict between officers of the law and those taken into legal custody, and speeds rehabilitation so as to reduce crime in total by aligning our justice system with the needs of human dignity and thus developing people as productive members of society.

      As such, it does not seem sensible to me that resisting arrest and escaping prison should be criminal per se. Such things might impact your immediate likelihood for parole.

    6. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      It depends. If one has not, in fact, committed the crime that the "officer" is "arresting" one for; it should legally not be an arrest at all, but an assault and kidnapping attempt. In this case, I would most certainly be 100% wholeheartedly in favor of the elimination of "resisting arrest" entirely, "danger to the officer" be damned. So far as I'm concerned, he loses any and all moral authority as an officer the instant he decides to try to frame someone for a crime he didn't commit.

      If the suspect has, in fact, committed the Crome, OTOH, that's another thing entirely.

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    7. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Why would it be another thing entirely if the suspect has committed a crime but is not creating further danger to society?

    8. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Well I'd love to see a jurisdiction enact such a rule and then watch the consequences over a few years. My intuition says "more violent encounters with police" but who knows.

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    9. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Violence used against police would be criminal assault. It's kind of like how you don't get arrested for shoving someone away from you, but you do get arrested for beating or stabbing them. The difference is shoving someone away who is a cop and trying to arrest you is a crime, somehow, and perhaps thus should not be.

    10. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure shoving someone away from you is still assault, regardless of whether it's an officer or not. One is unlikely to have the cops called on them for shoving, or be arrested for it, but it's still a crime. Don't go shoving people.

      Also I'm suggesting that laws against non-violently resisting arrest persuade some people at the margins to avoid resisting in ways that might escalate to violence. And often enough across a population to result in more instances of violent arrest-resisting than if you had never decriminalized non-violent arrest-resisting.

      Take someone who wouldn't attack a cop, but who would run from the cops. He currently doesn't because he doesn't want to get hit with a resisting arrest charge. Tell him "it's okay to run from cops now but no hitting!" and this creates more situations in which a chase turns into a struggle. e.g., he's running from a cop, tries to jump a fence, the cop grabs his leg, he kicks the cop in the face and now we've escalated non-violently resisting arrest into violently resisting arrest. None of this would have ever happened if he hadn't run in the first place.

      So, my bet would be that if you take a jurisdiction and legalize non-violently resisting arrest (while still punishing violently resisting arrest) the result will be an increase in instances of violent arrest-resisting. But who knows? Run the experiment and find out.

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    11. Re:James Comey is/was basically a cop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Also I'm suggesting that laws against non-violently resisting arrest persuade some people at the margins to avoid resisting in ways that might escalate to violence

      You don't seem to understand the concepts of jurisprudence and reasonable persons.

      But who knows? Run the experiment and find out.

      There's a reasonable approach.

  33. Consider when personal comp started. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hacker culture started during the Baby Boom's coming-of-age period. The government was in a massive crackdown on the young population, in a ways far too numerous and complex to go into here. The reaction was a distrust of the government and institutions related to its support and function, and both cultural and organized resistance to them. This reaction was massive.

    Among those institutions were law enforcement and the criminal justice system, which had been massively perverted to attack the government's perceived opposition. This is when the drug war started. This is when RICO was passed, encouraging police to steal people's property. This is when concentration camps for dissidents were legislated and designed (but, fortunately, not used and the legislation later repealed). This is when the FBI, along with special "red squads" of local police, were used to infiltrate and disrupt political organizations (See COINTELPRO),. I could go on. Police were viewed as an invading army.

    Similarly, the Vietnam conflict and the draft - a threat of slavery and death - were used to "channel" the new generation into desired occupations - and to stretch their entry into the job market out by pushing more of them into college than would historically have gone, in order to avoid an expected economic crash to dwarf the Great Depression. Institutions in any way connected with the war were considered culpable and attacked: Banks (help fund the war), chemical companies (make explosives, defoliants, and Napalm), the monopoly telephone company (collected a war tax).

    In the midst of this (and to a large extent, in the California counter-culture hub that became Silicon Valley), personal computers were developed and the programs and applications for them were designed and/or deployed.

    Is it any wonder companies (pre-institutional-web), founded and built up by the people who grew up in that environment, as part of that culture, would distrust law enforcement and favor the interests of their equipment's users over it?

    And who's the point company in this conflict? Apple! Built by Jobs and Woz. Who got their seed money making "Blue Boxes" - devices to bypass the "war-supporting price-gouging" monopoly phone company's billing - during that era.

    Doesn't surprise me at all. (Of course I lived through it, and to some extent was part of it. So I no doubt have personally seen more of it than the massively sanitized, repeatedly rewritten, dumbed-down, and politically-warped historical record, as promulgated by the current media conglomerates, will ever tell you.)

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    1. Re: Consider when personal comp started. by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      Well fucking said.

  34. Re:Big Brother or Big Terror/Crime? Both: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On the flip side, lack of truly-unbreakable encryption being the norm makes it easier to disrupt communications between terrorists and criminals.

    Does it, though? Terrorists might have access to math, and so be able to implement strong encryption anyway, even if you put every subject's keys in escrow. Secondly, they might use a mode of communication that is not as vulnerable to disruption in the first place.

  35. Re:Big Brother or Big Terror/Crime? Both: by davidwr · · Score: 1

    lack of truly-unbreakable encryption being the norm makes it easier to disrupt communications between terrorists and criminals.

    Does it, though?

    It makes those who use unbreakable encryption - especially in transit - easier to spot and disrupt. See: Great Firewall of China.

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  36. LEA already doing a spectacular job by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With 5 to 6 TIMES percent of U.S. population sitting in prisons vs. European and Australian countries with similar standards of living and systems of governance I would say LEA is already doing an amazing job considering their hands are tied by "darkness".

    Look how well they've done with civil assert forfeiture being so successful trend line over decades has actually managed to exceed sum total of everything reported stolen. Way to go LEA!! Truly an amazing result. Imagine would it could be if only speaking in codes unknown to LEA were outlawed.

    Steady bending of sentencing to enhance plea deals as an effective means of extortion now results in a 60 to 70% disparity in jail time for the same crime for those whose only additional sin was failure to forfeit their right to jury trial.

    What this country really needs is for more people to give up more of their rights so LEA can do an even better job and keep everyone even safer. We're already 5-6 times safer than everyone else....

    Oh what's that you say? We're not? You mean even with all of those extra people sitting in jail U.S. is 3-4 times less safe? No... can't be... I'm shocked...

    1. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Yep -- this sums up the American "justice" system quite well. Except if you're the CEO of a firm selling opiates instead of a street-level crack/meth dealer. Then you get a retirement package and die in the Bahamas at age 95. Same goes for being a CEO whose company was convicted of Medicare fraud. No jail, just a cush job as governor of Florida...

      To paraphrase Leona Helmsley -- "only the little people pay for their crimes in any serious way."

    2. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An innocent person forced into a plea bargain equates to 1 actual criminal that the police no longer need to bother with tracking down. Case closed, good work everyone - time to go home.

      That's how a higher conviction rate can causatively correlate with higher crime rate.

    3. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If European countries and Australia had demographics like the US (something they're working hard at catching up to), and actually cared about criminal preying on their subjects, they'd have prison populations like ours. And outside of where those demographics cluster, the crime rates are "European" like. Which is not to say our LEA aren't corrupt in many ways, including of course civil forfeiture.

    4. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What this country really needs is to be destroyed down to the bedrock, so that no one stone rests upon another.

      It is an anglo feminist police state.
      It exists to enslave it's men to the war machine.
      It denys them all natural gifts (such as child brides).
      (Allowed in all old religions)

    5. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An innocent person forced into a plea bargain equates to 1 actual criminal that the police no longer need to bother with tracking down.

      And that's not the end of the story. That innocent person, now marked as a "criminal" for life, learned how to be an actual criminal in prison, and come out to be an actual criminal.

      So, even worse than doing nothing (which would leave 1 criminal go free), the plea bargain system created *2* criminal on the streets, at the price of one innocent person's productive lifetime.

      American prison is the university for criminals, where criminals can exchange information, skills and ideas. 4 times more people in jail, means producing 4 times more criminals.

      The plea bargain is an end run around due process, and is the most deplorable characteristic of American so-called justice system.

    6. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, it was funny europeans often asked why American police had guns, now you import your new immigrants, you will soon find out

    7. Re:LEA already doing a spectacular job by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'm pushing for full implementation of Nelson Mandela Rules. It may be difficult to get the States on-board: the Federal Government can cut their funding, at best.

      We can definitely arrest the operators of private prisons if they don't meet the minimum Federal standards. It's not up for Constitutional debate or for an evaluation of the risk of loss of Federal grants. You run your prisons humanely or we throw you into Federal prison so you can see how to properly run one.

  37. lol by ememisya · · Score: 1

    It's a shame Mr. Comey was constantly surrounded by poor imbeciles living under cloudy conditions most of the time but the point here is that the standard must be set for an ideal world or you've destroyed what you are trying to protect. Not unlike raising your kids while a teacher with a gun imposes upon them, for their safety of course. You would however be raising people who see absolute authority in weapons as most of us tend to remember our teachers for the rest of our lives, sometimes as people to exemplify. If I believe that I have no ability to protect my privacy, I'd rather not use the Internet. Most of the time I do not anyways, given there really is no way, but porn is free. I shudder to think who is using that data for what purpose but I know a few people (corporate entities?) can get it all, that's creepy enough. Treat the Internet like a cigarette, you start because of your friends, cool for a while, starts to taste great, but lets be honest, it's just bad for you.

  38. Re:Ignorance = no excuse in the eyes of the law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except when cops do it- then ignorance is an excuse.

  39. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We see the darkness every day. But we've also read 1984.

  40. Re:"A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like treas by toadlife · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can people in the FBI decide themselves who to be loyal too?

    In the title, Comey is referring to Trump's demand of him for loyalty, which was highly inappropriate. The "higher loyalty" refers his loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, which rules above all men - including the President.

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  41. Law enforcement has no right to convenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the only goal was to make law enforcement's job simpler and more efficient, then we would simply repeal the entire Bill of Rights. Having to get a warrant is such a bother, don't you care about nabbing that terrorist or kiddie pornographer?

    At least until recently, that wasn't the way this country worked. Having to respect the rights of citizens makes it harder to catch criminals. But that's the nature of the job -- you don't like it, don't be a cop.

  42. Morality by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

    The moral problem is that Comey and all the right-wing do-gooders think only bad people want to encrypt stuff and only good people want to read it.

    Where their logic falls apart is the "good people" section. Jesus said it best. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Given the homosexual child rape of Catholic monks and the coverup of it, along with the divorces and affairs of countless married ministers, and the blatant greed and avarice of the mega-church pastors in Texas, I don't automatically assume someone in the church is free of sin or badness.

    1. Re: Morality by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Are you in the right story? Your comment was an incoherent rant against Christians, this is about a corrupt FBI official.

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  43. Leftist just had their heads asplode by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Comey not only threw some acid on the Hillary email investigation wounds with the admission that the agency effectively undermined any investigation, the fact that there was more to the tarmac meeting than admitted and that there could be more to come if he ever spoke in an investigation. Now he’s admitting that he himself wants to undermine your basic constitutional rights.

    Comey’s book is as much an indictment at Trump as it is a big warning of potential blackmail on the Democrats. He’s basically acting like a mob boss that is pimping out child prostitutes to a senator, I’ve got the pictures, you know I do, let’s make sure you remember that when I come around 2 years from now.

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    1. Re:Leftist just had their heads asplode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your metaphor is flawed. It sounds much more like he's acting like a mob boss that found out a senator kept raping children, and he's got the pictures. The difference is that in your metaphor the senator is being entrapped by the mob boss whereas in reality the senator was upto no good all by themselves and the mob boss simply found out about it.

  44. The blind leading the blind. by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the leaders of the tech companies don't see the darkness the FBI sees"...

    Gee Comey, ever consider the fact that tech companies don't see this because the government chose to keep that CLASSIFIED?!?

    Not to mention pointing out the fact that the tech companies kind of woke the hell up with regards to default encryption when Edward Snowden revealed in 2013 what the US Government does when encryption is NOT the default standard. How ironic our OWN Intel community caused this shift in default behavior...

  45. The problem is there is no modern 'wiretap' by schweini · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I kind of understand his point, to be honest.
    The old system of the police getting a warrant from a judge in order to wiretap a reasonably suspicious person's telephone, in order to make sure that he's actually a bad guy made sense. There was control and oversight, a reasonable expectation of privacy for the rest of us, and the police could use this tool to catch some bad guys (always with judge oversight).

    Nowadays everyone only has to follow some short tutorials to get secure communication channels that world powers would have salivated over just a couple of decades back. This has obviously changed everything.
    But that Pandora's Box has been opened, and can't be closed again, at all. Even if Google and Apple would play ball, there will always be open source tools that guarantee secure encrypted channels.
    I would actually like the police to have the same capabilities as they had before - but I know that including backdoors, prohibiting encryption and other shenanigans simply wont work. And I have no idea what the law enforcement system could do to face this challenge.

  46. Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After all the political policing used by the FBI against MLK, war protesters, and countless other dissidents, it's both hilarious and said to watch the modern American left fall down and worship at the feet of high-ranking officers in the American Gestapo like James Comey, Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller. At least be consistent.

    1. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We liberals don't worship Comey, etc. We just see that they are trying to do the right thing in a very difficult circumstance. The easy thing is just go away. The hard thing is to stand up for what's right. In this case, the right thing is to speak honestly about Trump and the horrible behavior of the republican party, the part that is trying to justify trump as normal behavior and totally legal and fine.

    2. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      speak honestly about Trump and the horrible behavior of the republican party,

      The horrible behavior of your own party doesn't bother you?

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    3. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The horrible behavior of both is just that.

      That being said, Hillary lost. The money laundering compromised tool won rather than the dirty globalist left pandering neoconservative with a (D) next to her name.

      Trump still should be in prison.

    4. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by sloth+jr · · Score: 2

      No idea what you're talking about. Liberal here, all in favor of strong encryption. Maybe you're using too broad of a brush or assuming that there are only two opposing viewpoints.

      It's clearly true that strong encryption hinders the ability of law enforcement to monitor such communications and potentially prevent crimes rather than prosecute crimes. The far greater danger is government erosion of basic tenets of privacy and freedom, and government-forceable encryption can only lead to ever encroaching police state monitoring. Witness overreach by Russia and China in the monitoring of their own citizens to see the pitfalls of allowing unfettered so-called "law-and-order".

      This administration in particular has demonstrated that it is committed to silencing and prosecuting dissent; providing tools that enable Trump and future leaders this sort of unchecked aggression is bad policy, hopefully to be opposed across the political spectrum.

    5. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Obama didn't do that? Last I checked, the following dissenters were persecuted by Obama:

      1. Bradley Manning
      2. Julian Assange
      3. Edward Snowden

      And that's just three of the high profile cases.

    6. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The left is channeling its inner Richard Nixon.

      "When the president does it, it's not illegal."
      "When Democrats do it, it's not reprehensible."

    7. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the brush was too broad, but I would suggest that your view may not be that of the majority of liberals. I may be wrong. I'm not a liberal and I don't understand them.

      I think it's fair to say the last administration was also committed to silencing and prosecuting dissent, and it also had the vast majority of the MSM running interference for it as well.

      Nevertheless, your attitude towards encryption is a good one that I agree with, as well as the reasons you support it.

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    8. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      "Deplatform"? What does that have to do with free speech? Free speech is the right to say what you want, not the right to use someone else's platform.

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    9. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Obama did a lot of things liberals liked, and a lot of things liberals didn't like. Don't confuse liberals with mainstream Democrats.

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    10. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure which horrible behavior of Democrats you're referring to, but I constantly see complaints about Democratic politicians in the left-leaning blogs I read.

    11. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You're no liberal and stop saying you are. You're a leftist.

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    12. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 1

      You're no liberal and stop saying you are. You're a leftist.

      Okaay, can you define for stupid people like me what you mean by the difference between the leftist and liberal? I would use them pretty interchangeably. My first attempt at defining these things is someone who is interested in tolerance, freedom, who wants to avoid violence and racist speech. Who wants to protect the weak (kids who are born to poor families shouldn't just die if they get sick). I support using reason to make decisions, not ideology. I believe in the scientific method. People should be free to practice the religion they want and believe what they want, but they shouldn't be able to use it to hurt other people back. As an example, someone can't use their belief in say the idea that two women or two men shouldn't be able to marry as an excuse to hurt people who do get married that way. I think when conservatives and liberals talk about differences, they don't really talk to the same points.

    13. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 1

      The left is channeling its inner Richard Nixon.

      "When the president does it, it's not illegal." "When Democrats do it, it's not reprehensible."

      As a representative of all liberals (snark), I can say that plenty of us don't like when the president abuses his power. in the bad choice department (not exactly abuse), I thought it was a mistake when obama didn't bomb syria after chemical weapon attacks during his term. But whats the right amount of attack in deadly syria? I think trump didn't do enough. it's an impossible challenge because no one knows what the future holds, what the response will be to any action there. we have lots of troops there, how will we get them out? whats the end game? i thought it was a terrible mistake when hillary clinton was found to have used her own stupid email service. i thought it was wrong when she was using private email in a govt role. I didn't vote for her in the primary because of that reason. I think this is still wrong with the trump govt employees doing much worse, like hope hix using 4 email accounts.

    14. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 1

      speak honestly about Trump and the horrible behavior of the republican party,

      The horrible behavior of your own party doesn't bother you?

      I think the difference between liberals and conservatives is that absolutely i don't like illegal behavior. I thought hrc should have lost her security clearance when she was sending email to a private server. anyone else would have. i didn't vote for her in the primary because of that. trump is a whole different area of cartoonish idiotic billionaire behavior. he is the best argument about why we need inheritance taxes to avoid building oligarcy in the us.

    15. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you're going to use words in nonstandard ways, you need to be clearer about that.

      Anyway, I'm strongly for free speech. This doesn't mean I'm for letting people arbitrarily use other people's platforms for their speech.

      From my Googling, it looks like there was an incident last year in which someone attacked others with a bike lock. I didn't do that. I don't condone such violence. Most leftists don't. It makes no more sense than me saying you people kill people with cars.

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    16. Re: Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't Comey call out Trump to his face or tell him to his face that he's wrong? Because he's a big pussy, that's why! He knew he'd be fired so he planned this backstabbing from the day his bitch lost the election. He also seems upset that the FBI can't control the current President. Haha, fuck you Comey! JACKASS

    17. Re:Irony: liberals loving America's secret police by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      The reality is that there is nothing to see. They were sent on a goose chase, came up with nothing after squirming too far down the rabbit hole, and now they are trying to find something substantive. The issue is, if they do find something substantive Trump will win--momentum is lost and he is way better at playing this game than they will admit. They always underestimate him--easy to do when led around by your ego. The man is a genius at winning stage fights.

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  47. Ummm. No. by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Informative

    for encryption the government is not a defacto 2nd party.
    That would imply that you had the intention of sharing the information with them.
    For communications, the other end of the conversation is the 2nd party.
    For storage THERE Is NO SECOND PARTY!

    The government is a 3rd party, as you had no intention of supplying them with access to this information.
    They are trying to FORCE people who have committed no crime to make them a default 2nd party.
    they have also show extreme bad faith in automatically recording and storing information illegally, without any knowledge of the public (whom they claim to represent) and keeping that information because they want it..They only got caught out by accident and did their very best to block that knowledge from the general public.

    They have also established secret courts that claim to protect rights, however there is no public discussion of such things, no transparency, even long after the fact, and they have been caught intentionally lying about such things to hide their actions in court, destroying due process (parallel construction).

    Is there any surprise that the public feel a need to protect themselves from such actions?

    Note however that the government HAS worked to put in place protections for themselves against this, although with limited success, by trying to put in place exceptions for government officials.

    That is not democracy, that is a surveillance state where the government wants the ability to dig through peoples history if and when it wishes for whatever purpose it wishes. It would be more democratically correct for the opposite to be in place - so the public has the right to dig through the history of the people asking to be placed in control.

    1. Re:Ummm. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for encryption the government is not a defacto 2nd party.
      That would imply that you had the intention of sharing the information with them.
      For communications, the other end of the conversation is the 2nd party.
      For storage THERE Is NO SECOND PARTY!

      Technically, for storage, the second party is "future you."

  48. Comey by c++horde · · Score: 1

    He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you. ~Nietzsche Comey has some real problems. No matter your political affiliation, it is best for the country Comey and others like him are not in leadership positions. The FBI has become the enemy of the people and they are in denial over it.

  49. Deep State officials want population control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're primarily interested in societal control and that's what this is really about. The proliferation of encryption post-2013 has shut down large portions of the mass surveillance program and forced the government back into TARGETED surveillance, and they don't like that because they can't control the masses when they have to do targeted surveillance.

  50. The Abyss Gazes Back by Esekla · · Score: 1

    The very fact that Comey presumes to speak for techies (and seems to think that Silicon Valley represents them almost exclusively) is evidence of why we should be cautious of law enforcement, as well as those who would circumvent it. It may not be so much that we fail to see the darkness that the FBI, et al. confront. Rather, it may be that we also fear darkness in those who claim to protect us without understanding and honoring the breadth of our own principles.

  51. Re:Good and bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all those that say the "going dark" problem is good, don't complain about insider trading and so on. Encrypted communication hampers many efforts by law enforcement to gather evidence to bring someone to trial for crimes.

    So when you see "obvious" cases of insider trading, ask yourself how would you prove it to be so when you can't present as evidence any communication between the person "obviously" doing so and others.

    Or of course, we can all just accept that insider trading is going to happen forever going forward and that there's nothing that we can do about it - because encrypted chat/phones block access to the evidence required to prove it beyond a doubt.

  52. darkness by bigtreeman · · Score: 1

    Comey doesn't recognise the darkness which is the various policing forces.

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    1. Re:darkness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bad guy pretty much never sees himself as the bad guy. Comey also didn't see himself as the puppet that he became for far too long. FBI "special" agents all covet the powerful political positions at the top, and by the time they realize what a shitstorm they've stepped into, they're already in way too deep.

  53. Don't worry, we see the darkness by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But we are also capable of something you apparently cannot do: See beyond our own needs. Which is scary considering that your job is to put yourself into the boots of criminals so you understand how they think which allows you to catch them more easily.

    We know that catching terrorists is harder when there is encryption. But flawed encryption means that terrorists will use perfect encryption while your industry, having to obey the law, has to use faulty one which can easily be cracked, not only by you but also by, say, North Korea. Which is certainly interesting in case of, say, a company developing new and more efficient means of enriching nuclear material.

    Apparently you can't think this far. It's not that hard, really. In other words, I rarely agree with Trump, but firing you was one of his more sensible moves. We don't need ignorant people who are unfit for their job in critical positions.

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    1. Re:Don't worry, we see the darkness by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Apparently you can't think this far. It's not that hard, really. In other words, I rarely agree with Trump, but firing you was one of his more sensible moves. We don't need ignorant people who are unfit for their job in critical positions.

      Thank god we don't any of those kinds of people left...in the government...

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    2. Re:Don't worry, we see the darkness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you can't think this far. It's not that hard, really. In other words, I rarely agree with Trump, but firing you was one of his more sensible moves. We don't need ignorant people who are unfit for their job in critical positions.

      Thank god we don't any of those kinds of people left...in the government...

      Yeah. Now we only have ignorant people who are unfit for any job whatsoever.

  54. And In Actual News by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    He admits he rigged his investigation under the assumption Hillary would win.

  55. The problem is trust by jopsen · · Score: 1

    All the 3 letter agencies had a lot of trust... But they abused their position, the Snowden revelations made that clear.
    They routinely violated laws in many countries, and when caught they weaseled out of it. Nobody admitted that what they had done was wrong, there was no massive change in leadership or policy. So trust was lost.

    Suddenly, being safe from government abuse became a sales point, and tech companies were quick to jump that.
    These days security people will discuss how to minimize risks from state actors "friendly" or not, even if answers aren't perfect, this is now a thing.

    But this is their own doing. The 3 letter agencies lost public trust by invading people privacy in the shadows. We have a wide acceptance of search warrants from a public court; but when engulf the process in secrecy you loose trust.

    IMO, lots of things could be unencrypted, but rebuilding this trust will take generations. And right now law enforcement in the US should perhaps focus on not shooting people, as a good first step to rebuilding public trust.

  56. Re:Good and bad. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

    Fine by me, insider trading is the least of our problems. It offends the American sense of fair play, but is pretty harmless compared to the military-industrial complex, mass incarceration, environmental destruction, etc.

  57. Comey is Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't feel safer with Comey's goons sorting through my emails, regardless of the software they write and use, and even if that software's source is public, I do not feel safer.

    Comey see's one darkness and its the same darkness that many people currently conspiring against the president see: American's going down a different path.

    I will feel safer from one darkness (Militant Islamic terrorism) with a secure southern border, as those in Mexico do not take American security seriously, nor their own peoples.

    The other darkness however, the one that Comey is Dumb to, is that of an oppressive and politically charged federal government.

    So write in your book, and in more books, about how for everyone else things are sunny and safe, and that we cannot see the darkness that you do.

    Meanwhile because of your insecurities, we all have been revealed to the world, and your worst fears come true Comey: now the Russians actually ARE influencing Americans.

    Why?

    Because Americans are losing faith and trust in the USA Federal Government.

    Last half decade it was one half of the Americans, now its the other half.

    And then Comey drops this book.

    Comey should be hanged, not because he is Dumb, but because his dumbness is dangerous, and made him unwittingly a traitor.

  58. Re:Ignorance = no excuse in the eyes of the law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LMAO fat useless virgin APK is still triggered by Hillary, still spouting the same dribbling paranoid lies. Sad.

  59. "When you can't attack the message..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "... attack the messenger" & you ILLOGICALLY FAIL as always (especially vs. me).

    * ... & You KNOW it!

    APK

    P.S.=> It's always a JOY showing the planet what "your kind" (defective snowflakes either HIDING behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts OR FAKE NAMES online) are all about - FAKE LIVES of complete failure, lol... apk

  60. Should have asked by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The NSA, CIA, GCHQ and DEA. They would have helped domestically.

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  61. Re:Big Brother or Big Terror/Crime? Both: by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not really. Figure that 15 to 30 percent of Internet traffic is porn. That's a lot of images and movies into which data can be injected steganographically. Do you really want to look through all that porn and determine whether it contains hidden messages?

    No, wait....

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  62. Re:Good and bad. by psycho12345 · · Score: 0

    What about when the insider trading is

    1) Private prison execs chatting congress people about to pass a law that increases mass incarceration?
    2) Military contractors being given the heads up on what bills are going to be sponsored that call for more armaments?
    3) Private chemical or other possibly environmentally destructive companies told ahead of time of repeals of regulations?

    Seems like in those cases you VERY MUCH do care about the insider trading, it is the impetuous for all the previously described ills. As the old saying goes "Follow the money".

  63. Unfortunate choice of words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So he admits in an almost throwaway comment that he is mentally unstable and that Apple et al had the ability to push him over the edge. That’s the sort of situation that might get you fired / retired / reassigned or at least re-evaluated.

    Oh wait.

    1. Re: Unfortunate choice of words by Brockmire · · Score: 0

      I think this is irony. You fail to understand his point just like the tech guys. Comey sees them as helping the scum of the earth, not protecting some privacy of innocent Americans. This is still all with warrants and shit and not wide open keys handed over. If you want to be a hardcore douche because he said "drove me crazy", you'll need to have words with just about every fucking parent, teacher, or fill-in-the-blank that said those words.

  64. Peace between gun folks and crypto folks? by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Read this thread and reflect on how abusive government will take advantage of week crypro, or how criminals will not follow the law anyway, or how you probably not want limits on your key size or registration of all strong encryption. Live and let live!

  65. Re: Comey doesn't care about the average American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't. It was a false flag operation. Do try to keep up.

  66. APK is just mad, no moose dick today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is just mad as his moose isn't putting out today
    So instead he goes on a rampage across slashdot spouting conspiracy theories
    I'm surprised this one didn't involve Sorsos, bump stocks, the pope, and moose based crypto curriencies
    Go guzzle some moose cum APK you will feel better afterwards

  67. Re: "A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like trea by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    LOL loyalty to the constitution! What a laugh. Comey? Since when did the FBI supporting Left ever give a shit about the constitution? Hell, when did they start supporting the FBI?

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  68. Comey can eat my dick by MikeMixer · · Score: 0

    Let's all start a Patreon to help him get that butthurt removed. What a fucking douchecanoe.

  69. The Bleeding Obvious by nagora · · Score: 2

    Trump is a scumbag you wouldn't leave alone in a room with your teenage daughter and the FBI hates encryption? Well, that sounds like a book full of amazing revelations; I must get a copy and see if he sheds any light on just what those bears are up to in the woods. Damn bears!

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    1. Re:The Bleeding Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is a scumbag you wouldn't leave alone in a room with his teenage daughter

      Fixed that for you.

  70. summarized by Reverend+Green · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disgraced formner gestapo chief flatulently criticizes nouveau riche president for insufficient authoritarianism, pretends to be appalled by Silicon Valley tycoons who sell pretend-secure cellphones.

  71. Repeat after me by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    Repeat after me: "encryption BAD, because of the Donald".

    And you have the word of a self-admitted insane person for it.

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  72. no one in the government ever goes to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ABSCAM is the only example I can recall where a ton of sitting politicians got actual jail time

    other than that:

    Nixon pardoned.

    Scooter Libby pardoned

    Bill Clinton never charged

    Hillary Clinton never charged

    Fast and Furious leaders never charged

    Ollie North got immunity

    Cheryl Mills got immunity

    Reagan claimed dementia

    the list goes on and on and on and on and on and isnt bound by party/race anything

    1. Re:no one in the government ever goes to jail by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Clinton did get impeached, but the Senate democrats circled the wagons and declined to convict.

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    2. Re:no one in the government ever goes to jail by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Scooter Libby was jailed for something he was obviously not guilty of.
      I haven't been keeping track, but I think Massachusetts has a pretty impressive record of high state officials being imprisoned, although not en masse.

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  73. He has a book to sell by Laxator2 · · Score: 1

    When selling a book it is a good idea to sell it in large numbers. Who's going to buy it ? His friends in high places ? There are only a few of them, not enough to make a profit for his book.

    So now that he wants those he screwed to fork their hard-earned cash and help him meet his sales target, he has to make it sound like he was suffering while screwing them.

    As if corporate interests like Apple and Google did not know that if they wanted the tax loopholes to stay firmly in place they will have to play nice with the powers that be. If you remember his attitude before he was fired, he was not the one to suffer.

  74. Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Why isn''t Hillary Clinton in jail for non-DOD approved servers w/ classified info. on 'em she illegally shared? Hillary, both as a FORMER attorney & secretary of state knows both housing unapproved by DoD servers + sharing classified intel thru them as well as NOT getting the DoD to look over + secure & ALLOW her PRIVATE unallowed server is BREAKING THE LAW & she KNOWS it!

    She HAD NO OUT (other than a blackmailed OR bought off PAWN like you, smarmy little cocksucker) ON "I didn't know" ignorance bs on those very grounds IN THE EYES OF THE LAW - AGAIN, IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE & SHE KNOWS BETTER as a FORMER ATTORNEY and SECRETARY OF STATE!

    IF I did ANY of the above? I'd be in prison OR dead for treason...

    SO what makes Shillary/Killary the devil worshipper spirit cooker free then??

    * Comey, FACT: I just PROVED I'd have done a better job - I'd have made that case vs. her & PUT HER SATANIC ASS AWAY for LIFE!

    Leaking info. to the press too? Scumbag little bitch = Comey!

    APK

    P.S.=> The ENTIRE NATION (that's not part of your satanic cabal or bought off/blackmailed that is) KNOWS what's up asshole & you + all "your kind" will HANG for it (mark my words)... apk

  75. Crazy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK is worried about a Russian cyber attack, yet sides with this kind of view on weakening security and encryption standards, crazy is right!

  76. Really ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they have subverted

    A) the hardware
    B) your nice Open Source software

    It is not hard, if you have all the government revenue and power behind you.

  77. Spamming Moosefucker APK spams again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spamming moose fucker APK just can't resist spamming again
    What no Jewish cabal in this conspiracy rant?
    We know you are in a bad mood because your moose cut you off and you haven't guzzled 10 gallons of cum today so you now take it out on slashdot
    Either that or you are upset because someone pointed out the truth about you above

  78. The guy is a attention hound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Comey is so not what should have represented the FBI. This guy should have been a politician and not someone running the FBI. Now he is running off his mouth in a biter attempt at revenge. I commend Trump for firing this dirt bag and the list is long of the messes he created while at the FBI. I love how his book tries to push blame for his lack of objective focus in investigations such as Hillary Clinton's emails. Comey is a hack that played both sides like a double agent. He deserved everything he got.

  79. NOT TO MENTION (ALSO FUCK YOU SLASHDOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He wants to invite the security concerns into the country;

    Sure we can bring in millions of third worlders .... As long as we can monitor your kid's phones 24/7

    > Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!

    > Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

    Pieces of shit, it's one line of code to auto sentence case this that has too many caps

    this was my yearly return to slashdot to confirm just how shit and cucked it is

    remember when they were crying about their traffic stats? lol

  80. meanwhile the fbi only sees.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    darkness,

    so they are not scewed at all then ?? pretty idiotic and just another attempt at manipulating the truth.

    Why is it instances like this want to take away everybody's freedom because of one bad individual? Let's ponder that question then.

  81. VIOLATIONS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In light of recent violations of Attorney / Client confidential information being violated, I recommend that every Attorney take any written document, scan it into computer, along with any recording and encrypt the crap out of it before destroying the hard records. That way, nobody gets it without permission.

  82. Ok, there is no solution. by jd · · Score: 1

    If there's no encryption, the criminals will simply exploit other people's computers, just as they have in the past. This leaves no forensic traces on the criminal's computers. Want to talk darkness? Good place to start, the Involuntary Cloud.

    If there is encryption, anything that would leave physical evidence still does so. Forensic labs are underfunded or privatised. In either case, incorrect results leading to false convictions and false rejection of suspects are commonplace. Getting those sorted would make defeating encryption less of a necessity and would solve far more crimes that have no relationship to encryption at all.

    Let's focus on that second one. Crime labs are a mess. DNA analysis is regularly tainted with contamination and hundreds of thousands of serious crime scene swabs (rape kits, etc) are left abandoned, their evidence decaying. We all remember the false fingerprint match in the Spanish train bombing. These things are STUPID!

    Fix this first. Then fix police attitudes. They are trained to be warlords, which is bad for community policing , bad for trust, bad for getting people in Starbucks arrested on suspicion of being black in a built-up area, and very very bad for SWATting victims.

    Better community relations will solve a lot of problems. People know a lot but tell little to thugs in uniform. Give them police they can trust. Community police. Honest police.

    Speaking of which, did you see the reports on the police unit that turned rogue and were using their uniforms to terrorize, burgle and extort? And the Chicago "black ops" jail where people were arrested without charge and tortured into confessions?

    Are these reports true? Does it matter? As long as they're believed, people will respond with fear, hatred and disgust. 99.9% of your leads burned because you fancied the thumbscrews.

    Fix the forensics and the police, and you'll find there simply isn't much you need to decrypt. But as long as you try to fight the darkness with the night, you will lose.

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  83. Everybody's Fault But Mine by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

    ^ The memoirs of James Comey

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  84. Welcome Back to DrugeDot by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Comey publishes a memoir that exposes what a complete and utter fraud (and moron) Trump is and slashdot highlights only that Comey found encryption to be a moral quagmire. I wish I could say I find this surprising.

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  85. Comey Lacks Perspective. by hduff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comey and other law enforcement types lacks perspective on this issue. They want an easy way to do their job at the expense of a fundamental right of the people who pay his salary. Police and detective work is made hard by our Constitution and laws, as it should be. Law-abiding citizens should not be treated like criminals to make life easier for people like Comey.

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  86. Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy just whines and whines. "Its not me..its them"

  87. Can't attack a message? Attack the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk ran you dry of your abused downmod points again soundly defeating you by removing your 1 effete 'weapon' hahaha. You downmodded last time he posted what he has again now so he reposts nullifying helpless henry's like you. See subject as he says.

  88. Re: "A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like trea by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Since when have the FBI and the Left been on speaking terms, let alone supporting each other?

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  89. Re:"A Higher Loyalty"? The sounds a lot like treas by fatwilbur · · Score: 2

    Highly inappropriate?? What the hell? Comey was a bureaucrat - and EMPLOYEE of Trump, who was elected to the exact job of being in charge of the executive branch. I think you Comey is a bit of a slimeball (as the book shows) and his use of the word 'loyalty' is a sign of just how things work within the government (for which Trump is an outsider).

    Any good leader in an organization, anywhere, would fire an employee for not running things as his boss wished. Only to call it "non loyalty" is laughable, it's just plain insubordination. If you read even Comey's own words about the meeting, Trump sounds like any new manager meeting an employee, and Comey is instantly defensive and mistrustful. It is no wonder at all why he was fired. None of the senior bureaucrats liked Trump who was coming in to derail their gravy train they'd spent so long building.

  90. Encryption by jaq1an · · Score: 1

    Maybe if you could trust the government with your data we wouldn't need encryption.

  91. Moose fucker APK doesn't sign his work anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moos fucker APK isn't signing his work anymore
    His brain is pumped so full of moose cum he thinks anonymous cowards also get to moderate
    All he does is spam on slashdot
    It is obvious he loves abuse otherwise he would stop posting here but he really loves the physical abuse when he gets ass raped by his moose

    1. Re:Moose fucker APK doesn't sign his work anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he does. He laughed at you when you beg others to upmod you and they downmodded you instead https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11984443&cid=56449563/ hahaha!

  92. Former FBI Director and current Egomaniac... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comey's head is so large at this point it has its own weather system.

  93. Yea? TRY live minus police... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ... coming from myself that won a lawsuit vs. a city for having the shit beaten out of me by cops no less!

    NEWSFLASH though, despite my "bias" (there IS none & this proves it) - TRY LIVE MINUS POLICE! We'd have chaos minus law enforcement.

    Are cops perfect (is any man)? No. More people die from medical fuckups than from police by FAR mind you. Are professional athletes perfect?? No, they made errors too! You expect cops to be 'perfect' then???

    Cops of today are better educated than ANY in the past @ least!

    Minus police (which yes, we need) there would be TOTAL CHAOS. We make a social contract by hiring these officials to maintain order & then to let the legal system take its course!

    (Yes, it's also far from perfect BUT it's the best we've got! Yes, it has been shown to be corrupted @ times (e.g. witness Hellary Clinton being allowed to go free after Comey the traitor f'd up trying "intent" bs to make it look like he actually tried, when the REAL CASE vs. her was "ignorance is no excuse for the law" since she was a former attorney & secretary of state who KNEW she wasn't supposed to have a private @ home server that wasn't DoD secured NOR was she supposed to share top-secret info.)).

    Still, TRY live in a world minus policemen (you wouldn't SURVIVE it).

    APK

    P.S.=> All this "liberal" bullshit is DESIGNED by the "JWO" to take down OUR SOCIETY (which for the most part worked pretty good, hence the USA being "ontop" in most things for decades on end) - & not all "your kind's" CRAP (anti-common-sense) from brainwashed fools OR disgruntled losers that wasted their time & lives f'ing around vs. becoming the best you can be ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG (the future IS now), makes any sense OR holds a shred of water vs. common-sense & a system that was working (or are 'liberal cities' like Chicago under that FOOL Rahm Emmanuel doing well? Hell no)... apk

  94. AGAIN: "When you can't attack the message..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "... attack the messenger" & you ILLOGICALLY FAIL as always (especially vs. me).

    * ... & You KNOW it!

    (Additionally since it's the 2nd time in THIS thread/article you've done this as well as for MONTHS harassing + stalking me w/ your 'moose' projections of your OWN issues? YOU PROVE IT!)

    APK

    P.S.=> It's always a JOY showing the planet what "your kind" (defective snowflakes either HIDING behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts OR FAKE NAMES online) are all about - FAKE LIVES of complete failure, lol... apk

  95. Re:Good and bad. by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

    What about when the insider trading is

    1) Private prison execs chatting congress people about to pass a law that increases mass incarceration? 2) Military contractors being given the heads up on what bills are going to be sponsored that call for more armaments? 3) Private chemical or other possibly environmentally destructive companies told ahead of time of repeals of regulations?

    Seems like in those cases you VERY MUCH do care about the insider trading, it is the impetuous for all the previously described ills. As the old saying goes "Follow the money".

    I think the point is that in the "big picture", giving the FBI the ability to easily crack phones to solve and prosecute those very few cases of insider trading that could not otherwise be solved without cracking phones is not, on balance, worth the cost of giving up encryption.