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Engineers Are Leaving America For Canada (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from a report via Bloomberg: The H-1B was created in 1990, part of an immigration overhaul signed into law by President George H.W. Bush that also created the EB-5 investor visa -- the subject of a fracas involving Kushner Cos. seeking Chinese investment -- and the diversity lottery, which Trump has attacked. Today, an estimated half a million H-1B holders live in the U.S. No one tracks exactly how many ditch their skilled visas for the permanent residency Canada offers, but during the first year of Trump's presidency, the number of tech professionals globally who got permanent residency in Canada ticked up almost 40 percent from 2016, to more than 11,000.
In 1967, Canada became the first country to adopt a points-based immigration system. The country regularly tweaks how it rates applicants based on national goals and research into what makes for successful integration: A job offer used to come with 600 points, but now it's worth just 200. Other factors like speaking fluent English or French -- or, even better, both -- have been given more weight over the years. Country of origin is irrelevant. In 2016, Canada increased national immigration levels to 300,000 new permanent residents annually. Last year, in consultation with trade groups, it created a program called the Global Skills Strategy to issue temporary work permits to people with job offers in certain categories, including senior software engineers, in as little as two weeks. Since the program started in June, more than 5,600 people have been granted permits, from the U.S., India, Pakistan, Brazil, and elsewhere.
In 1967, Canada became the first country to adopt a points-based immigration system. The country regularly tweaks how it rates applicants based on national goals and research into what makes for successful integration: A job offer used to come with 600 points, but now it's worth just 200. Other factors like speaking fluent English or French -- or, even better, both -- have been given more weight over the years. Country of origin is irrelevant. In 2016, Canada increased national immigration levels to 300,000 new permanent residents annually. Last year, in consultation with trade groups, it created a program called the Global Skills Strategy to issue temporary work permits to people with job offers in certain categories, including senior software engineers, in as little as two weeks. Since the program started in June, more than 5,600 people have been granted permits, from the U.S., India, Pakistan, Brazil, and elsewhere.
The ones who vowed to leave the country if Trump got elected.
Did any Republicans leave the country when Obama got elected?
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
I've read multiple times that the H1-B program allows 85,000 applicants a year, but I've also read the half a million figure. Are they just not going home when their Visas are up? Are the Visas being issued for decades at a time so that they build up in the system? Or are they saying that most H1-B Visas are converted to permanent residency?
One thing I can say: Companies stopped training once they could rely on the H1-B visa program. One more thing, I know two or three people who were laid off and replaced by H1-Bs, which is supposed to be illegal.
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I used to work with Indians from Bangalore at HP. They were working in India and then came to Boise for a week or two. I can't say I remember a single slight directed to them. Most development environments are populated almost exclusively by SJW progressives. How do you define 'rampant racism'.
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Isn't Canada also in America?
Yeah because the Indian takover at places like microsoft doesn't have its own pro Indian racism.
Hypocrite
The article is mostly about foreigners who can no longer get a permit to work in USA and have to "settle" for Canada. American and Canadian engineers can work on TN Visas which are much easier to obtain without number restrictions. I'm sure Canadian engineers heading down South for better pay and more opportunities still far outnumber American engineers moving North regardless of current Political situation.
My company does power and HVAC systems engineering for buildings. There is and has been a significant shortage of people in this field over the years (it has always paid less than high-tech and finance, and to really succeed you need the same personality and skill sets). You can't just increase pay, because the fees you can receive do not support paying someone straight out of college $85k/year, plus dedicating significant resources to training. It becomes a 2-5 year investment (more on the HVAC side).
I had always been biased against the international masters students, as I generally found that they lacked some of the creativity that is required in our field. I have since been proven wrong, with two great hires recently.
Unfortunately, unless they can have their PE and be paid $91k after 12 months now, they will not be eligible for an H1B. General wages start at $55-65k first year, $60-70k second year, and $68-85k third year. So, they will leave...
This isn't smart policy. I understand the need to prevent companies like us using H1Bs to have someone work for $55,58,62...k and deprive good jobs for citizens, but keeping bright *young* people is a huge benefit. Instead, we hire and train people apuntil their F1(?) education expires, and they go home for a better job.
You are a fucking idiot who doesn't understand the relevance of "sampling", and that your personal experiences say nothing about the general experience or the distribution at all.
I don't know where you get rampant racism because they're not the ones marching on the streets crying foul. Better get a new TV set. With remote. You know we have flat screens now, don't you? Turn that thing on before you hurt yourself, FFS.
I am Canadian citizen, US resident (TN visa), software engineer with 20 years experience. Wow, has it been that long already? :O Would love to go back to Canada!
For every 1 job offer I get from Canada, I get ~10 in the US, probably more. For every $10k in salary offer from Canada, I get ~$20k in the US, probably more. For every $10 in taxes I would pay in Canada, I pay ~$7 in the US, probably less.
What am I missing?
Everyone is looking to move up to do the best for their family. Indians to America. Syrians to Europe. Americas to Canada. Americans to Europe. The people first to move are the well educated with the capital to make such a move.
I have my MS and my wife has her MD. As a whole we've debated what countries would be best for our kids and their kids. Universal health care, fewer school shoots, treating mental health like a mental and not judicial problem and a host of other differences. Yeah, it reflects our politics. But it's pretty apparent the US isn't going to be what we want for our grand kids and their grand kids.
And you can save your breath, yelling at people on Facebook hasn't done anything either. I respect your opinion and your right to have your opinion, I want to live with people, like those in Canada or the Nordic states that share my opinion.
And it's a 365-days-a-year job. And nearly two-thousand miles of roads.
Thank you for enlightening us with your objective assessment based on a representative sample of one.
No one wants the best Indian engineers. They want the best engineers. Skin != skill. But it's 2018, that attitude of not judging based on skin color or race is now somehow racist.
Also the anti-female and anti-black racism. As a old pink guy in Canada, it's way easier to have a life in Canada than the United States, because you don't have to hate folks who look suspiciously like you.
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Funny how carefully weighting potential immigrants by how beneficial they are to the country seems to work out so much better than just swinging open the gates and letting in every illiterate, uneducated, unskilled third world nobody who manages to scrape together enough cash to hire a smuggler to walk them across the desert or drive them across the border in the back of a cargo van.
So why did a Canadian engineer recently start at my US-based company? When I asked him about it he said that he was having too much trouble finding work in Canada lately.
Bad HR problems. In both Canasta and the US, people who are qualified are unemployed while I can't find qualified candidates.
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Not just that, the immigrant engineers are leaving for Canada after the Trump administration decides that they want to adapt the same points based/merit based immigration system. If that's such a horrible concept, why are they leaving for a country that has exactly that?
Also, in the above blurb on Canada, it also states that people have to know either English or French. That's very different from the immigration problem in the US, where people who speak only Spanish come in, w/ no intention of ever learning English
Farming too hard in the colonies? Trap a bunch of Africans and bring them over as slaves. . . . Now H1Bs. It's all the same thing.
Yes, when I think about H1Bs coming to the U.S. and getting paid far better than they ever would in their home countries, the immediate parallel that springs to mind is plantations, whips and chains. Ah Maslow, we hardly knew ye.
You do know that the US has no official national language, and that Spanish is co-official with English in at least one US state, don't you?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Then they realize it's sometimes -20c... How do get used to it ?
Well. Actually you don't... Car won't start, energy bills go up to the roof., you just wish you would live somewhere where it;s a bit hotter.
But hey... air is fresh outside of cities!
Giving extra points for English fluency would have the Left in the U.S. screaming racism.
Let's face it: whatever technology lead the US used to have, it's gone, or about to in the coming years / decades. Just reading tech news regularly yields a # of reasons:
* Housing prices in the Silicon Valley area. ;-).
* Anti-immigration views displayed by the current US president (and quite a few of his followers).
* The crazy Republicans vs. Democrats political situation.
* Intellectual property hassles combined with a lawsuit-happy culture (with expensive lawyers as the cherry on top
* Investments in fundamental R&D slipping (vs. other countries gearing up).
* Silicon Valley itself turning from a brand-new-tech 'heaven' to a create-value-for-shareholders focus.
* Other countries reaching a stage of development such that there are many tech centres to choose from (see eg. AI talent gathering in China).
Just to name a few. Not saying the above is good or bad in itself... But if I were about to run a tech startup, rather than Silicon Valley I'd be looking to move to Hong Kong / Shenzhen area. Or even some lesser known place in say, Eastern Europe or South America, provided enough talent in the field & facilities / suppliers were already there.
Get used to it, US! High tech is spreading around the world. :-)) Your days as top dog are numbered.
I voted--no joke--for CowboyNeal in the last election. I saw evil any which way I looked at it.
But what is up with all of this Trump bashing by the editors? Make no mistake: H-1B visas are abused by tech companies to keep salaries down. Persons from overseas are no more capable than citizens to fill positions. When I joined the workforce, there was this thing called "training" that has been since brushed under the rug by the man to keep the common person down.
Seriously, this is America's original sin. Farming too hard in the colonies? Trap a bunch of Africans and bring them over as slaves.
Not quite.
Africans enslaved and sold other Africans.
The Portuguese, Spanish, French and English bought those slaves then stuffed them in boats and sent them to work in their colonies (the ones that survived, anyway).
When the US was founded as an independent nation, slavery became a hot topic not because the north thought it was bad and the south was racist, but because the governing structure of the country involved indirect representation of people, and slaves were people. Well, three fifths of a person each, after haggling with the north who thought they should be zero fifths of a person.
The 3/5s compromise was fine enough until the south saw their economic and legal power was being stripped away as population and industry in the north grew and as the north kept adding states. Westward expansion saw continual fights over whether new territory / states should have slavery or not. The industrial revolution wasn't exactly kind to plantations.
The north wanted to abolish slavery and send slaves back to Africa, or at least to end the slave trade and grant protection and state citizenship to any slaves who made it north to a free state. The south, of course, wanted to keep their slaves, have them count for representation, keep the slave trade and keep expanding westward with new slave states.
Eventually, we had a civil war over the issue. The north (union) won - barely. But let's not pretend they were fighting for noble reasons. The fight over slavery was about money and power for most people of the time, not what was morally right. Even Lincoln didn't start with the Emancipation Proclamation. He was fine keeping the status quo. So much so that we engaged in the bloodiest war in US history (true to this day) when another option was available - just let the south secede.
I find it odd that people love to point to the US as being the poster boy for racism, slavery, etc. The US was not alone in that shit, and in fact inherited that shit from their British masters.
You use the word "sample" in your response and call him a fucking idiot for providing a sample. You're the fucking idiot.
And in other news, California is experiencing an exodus. And it's mostly the middle class that's fleeing progressive California.
Why did two amercians relocate and join my Canadian based company?
Sample size really matters.. you need to look at things in aggragate, not just my example or yours.. But on a national level, what is happening?
Idiot, having a sample is not the same thing as sampling. Read.
APK, I'm not sure which is worse: you bitching about HOST FILES or you bitching about the Jews. You should probably just stick to computer topics. The jew rant makes even less sense than HOST FILES rants. Those make zero fucking sense so you've managed to go negative. Good luck with the new job! (or am I supposed to say Jew job?)
Looks like you cared enough to claim you don't care. That hypocrisy is tasty, trumptard.
I've lived in places in the US where not only are there whole areas where nobody speaks English, they also fly the mexican flag instead of the stars and stripes. That's not immigration, that's a hostile invasion.
Please stop promoting creimer. That he has a better plan for turning around Slashdot is an embarrassment to management. Long live Goat C!
We knew that engineers would leave. The question is whether the jobs are leaving with them. I don't think I see that trend.
Read the Vancouver property market situation. Some people have been buying visas from Montreal, moving to Vancouver and speculating on apartment and home prices. At the same time, salaries have been falling.
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So you ended up helping elect trump. Congratulations.
You can only have a functional society when everyone is able to communicate. Democracy only works when people can debate and ideas can compete. Asking that those that want to live here speak the language is not being mean or divisive. It's asking that they integrate with society and become part of it. It's actually inclusive in that it wants those people to be integral.
As for the part about the immigration rules.... Well, when a country that is currently led by a Progressive says it, it must be good. When Trump says the same thing, it must be bad. People have their heads so far up their rears, they don't look at the idea, they look at the messenger. Those that say they're educated and smart, are nothing more than sheep who don't pay attention to the actual issues.
why doesn't your company invest in training? Maybe lobby for more vocational schools and better funding for public universities. Most of what I'm seeing from companies is lobbying for lower taxes which in turn means fewer educational services. If you want good workers, pay for them.
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There is a very large salary difference between the US and Canada. Well paid engineers in the US make 2-5X what a Canadian makes. That's the draw. You have to be very good though.
Seriously, the whole world is headed to the shitter, one little policy change at a time. Trade agreements and other international treaties being pushed when domestic policy won't allow it.
There is only a few years left before the UN's EEZ rules reach out to 400nm at which point every near surface geographic feature on earth will be under the control of an existing nation.
Think about what you can do now, before it becomes too late.
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That makes no sense.
A vote for Hillary, helps Hillary. A vote for Trump, helps Trump. A vote for someone who isn't running doesn't help either party.
The notion that "if you abstained you helped Trump" only makes sense if you assume that everyone who abstains would have voted for Hillary if they were forced to vote, which is a brazenly unfounded assumption.
Racism is a headline saying Americans, which include Canadians, are going to Canada.
In 1967, Canada became the first country to adopt a points-based immigration system.
So fifty years after Canada implements a merit-based (AKA points-based) immigration policy America-hating Americans attack President Trump and his administration as being anti-immigrant by proposing a similar immigration program. (Apparently the only good immigration program is one that increases the absolute number of immigrants admitted into the country annually...)
Ken
The H1B program and like program in Canada exist mainly to drive down wages by replacing native workers with cheaper foreign labor. Several studies have shown a surplus of the labor in the US. Also with the increasingly shrill demands like in the recent New York Times article from socialists who are exploiting poverty concerns to push a socialist agenda, why dont we just work people into these jobs through a job training and rehabitiliation program? But then the Democrats wouldnt have something to exploit when elections come up with which to promise more welfare goodies for people, so you begin to see whats happening here. They want to keep people in poverty by bringing in foreign aliens to steal the jobs, then when people cannot get work, they blame it on the "evil white privilege" as the scapegoat and promise more welfare freebies which ensures the Democrats can continue to expand their power. The entire H1B program should be terminated. They come up with fake "shortage" numbers by various means, either by creating an absurd requirement like 30 years of experience with an obscure platform which of course most people will not have but some H1B from India can fake, or they are literally training people in India beforehand in intentionally obscure platforms and they concoct a job requirement that is specifically written for that person and the obscure platform. This is so they can claim they cannot find someone domestically for their obscure platform. This exploits the ignorance of the lawmakers who are not aware that someone with general knowledge of algorithms and concepts can easily learn whatever platform a company is using.
The H1B program and like program in Canada exist mainly to drive down wages by replacing native workers with cheaper foreign labor. The whole thing is a big scam. The fact is statistics show a vast population in America working at low wage, low skill jobs who could be moved into these higher wage jobs as we automate more low skill jobs. When you crunch the numbers and analyse, you see the whole H1B argument falls a part and you see its ruining this country and its people. Several studies have shown a surplus of the labor in the US. Also with the increasingly shrill demands like in the recent New York Times article from socialists who are exploiting poverty concerns to push a socialist agenda, why dont we just work people into these jobs through a job training and rehabitiliation program? But then the Democrats wouldnt have something to exploit when elections come up with which to promise more welfare goodies for people, so you begin to see whats happening here. They want to keep people in poverty by bringing in foreign aliens to steal the jobs, then when people cannot get work, they blame it on the "evil white privilege" as the scapegoat and promise more welfare freebies which ensures the Democrats can continue to expand their power. The entire H1B program should be terminated. They come up with fake "shortage" numbers by various means, either by creating an absurd requirement like 30 years of experience with an obscure platform which of course most people will not have but some H1B from India can fake, or they are literally training people in India beforehand in intentionally obscure platforms and they concoct a job requirement that is specifically written for that person and the obscure platform. This is so they can claim they cannot find someone domestically for their obscure platform. This exploits the ignorance of the lawmakers who are not aware that someone with general knowledge of algorithms and concepts can easily learn whatever platform a company is using.
I am also aware that Corporate America continues to support Democratic Party and Hollywood who continues to stab Social Conservatives who can help rehabitilate the youth, and trash the bible, God, true ethics of personal responsibility, family values, decency, work ethic, to ruin the youth of this country through corrupting messages and depravity which glorifies drug use and criminality, and the rampant use of drugs including Ritalin as well as bother recreational drugs which are destroying the brains of our youth,. So we see an effort by corporate america to do everything it can to throw american workers under the bus and totally destroy our own youth.
TL;DR
In both Canasta and the US, people who are qualified are unemployed while I can't find qualified candidates.
If only corporations were more open to remote workers versus insisting that people be sitting in the head office between 9am-5pm. That is the main problem I'm currently facing, trying to find work in my relatively small city. Lots of work...as long as I'm willing to move to one of the large cities where the cost-of-living is so high I cannot afford a decent house, much less a nice place to raise my children.
Last year, in consultation with trade groups, it created a program called the Global Skills Strategy to issue temporary work permits to people with job offers in certain categories, including senior software engineers, in as little as two weeks. Since the program started in June, more than 5,600 people have been granted permits, from the U.S., India, Pakistan, Brazil, and elsewhere.
So Canada has implemented their own version of the H1-B Visa program and took in 5,600 highly-skilled professionals and gave them temporary work permits... Big Deal.
Ken
Canada is in America, right?
Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
Nobody gives a shit what you think, Jzanu. Find another outlet for your socially awkward outbursts.
It's idiots like you that ensure that the 2 party system will endure forever in the US.
The point is that the US has lax immigration requirements compared to Canada, yet gets heat for moving to become normative. People that move to Canada and cite US xenophobia is hypocritical, for they chose a country that is more difficult to enter legally than the US.
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Big fucking deal. Drive around south side Buffalo, NY, and you'd think you were in County Clare, Ireland. What about Little Italy in NYC? No one complains about those "hostile invasions."
Wow i didn't know canada was so racist. I was told that merit based immigration to the US was.
Remote-friendly places do exist, TELUS is one decent-sized example. It's a hell of a lot easier if it's part of the company culture.
idiot
Have you been paying attention to the politics out of Toronto(Ontario) and federally by the Liberal Party the last few years? The anti-white racism being pushed by both parties, is part and parcel the same being pushed by progressives in the US. Look at it this way, the policies of the Ontario Liberal Party and their actions have likely just killed their party. The Progressive Conservatives have moved into a likely super-majority status in the legislature with an estimated 85-98 seats. The NDP manage to hold on and maintain party status with 8 or more seats and gain official opposition status. The liberals hold 7 or less seats. 8 are required to be considered an official party and receive any government funding.
What's being played out is no different the the collapse of the Progressive Conservatives federally in the early 90's.
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I voted--no joke--for CowboyNeal in the last election. I saw evil any which way I looked at it.
But what is up with all of this Trump bashing by the editors? Make no mistake: H-1B visas are abused by tech companies to keep salaries down. Persons from overseas are no more capable than citizens to fill positions. When I joined the workforce, there was this thing called "training" that has been since brushed under the rug by the man to keep the common person down.
That makes you a special kinda stupid.
The whole USA was a hostile invasion to begin with.
It isn't that odd if you consider that it went on in the US for a very long time when the rest of the Western world had long abolished all of that.
There is no left in the US.
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"But what is up with all of this Trump bashing by the editors?"
Yeah, why does anybody bash that lying piece of shit criminal baldyman sexual predator who stole the election I ask myself.
Canada has a more attractive system because there is a better path to citizenship and family reunion.
Some people (not just in the US, in the UK too) seem to think that they can just get people in for a few years and then send them home. Good people won't come on those terms.
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I can't say I remember a single slight directed to them.
Of course you don't, why would you?
You probably wouldn't even consider them slights unless they were directed at you.
evil_aaronm, total fucking bullshit alert.
Pro-tip, no one outside of maybe NYC has ever referred to South Buffalo as "South side of".
Earliest memories of South Buffalo where parents grew up and grand parents and aunts/uncles still lived in the 70's and never heard not a damn person speaking with an Irish access, Gaelic, or any such hogwash. Everyone was 2/3/4th Gen Americans with Irish ancestry...
The actual current state of affairs is that South Buffalo has seen many of its Irish/Scottish population move on as the African Americans from the East Side moved over while Muslem immigrants from Lackawanna have expanded from another side.
Pick another city you know nothing about to use in your next rant.
Yeah because the Indian takover at places like microsoft doesn't have its own pro Indian racism.
Hypocrite
This would be illegal so I presume that you have proof of what you are blathering about?
Chris, you can't even lose weight on a "low carb" diet, or finish your own book ("unemployable", more like "unreadable"), or keep your word on just about anything.
Good riddance, go ruin Canada now.
I was in Southern California. Trust me. That area has an official language. And it's Spanish.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
If the money is good enough, I'll come. But that's the other problem, the main reason these countries want to import foreign labour is that they want to import cheap labour...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
> When I asked him about it he said that he was having too much trouble finding work in Canada lately.
Well I can't speak for "that guy", but unemployment in Canada is on its historical low:
http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canadas-unemployment-rate-declines-to-lowest-in-four-decades
Note that we count our rate differently than in the US, and there's about a 1% difference if we count using the US methods. So this corresponds to something around 4.7% compared to the current US rate of 4.1%
Wait, you don't work for Ford do you?
> they chose a country that is more difficult to enter legally than the US
Canada has a population of 30 million and brings in 300,000 a year, so that's 1%
The US has a population of 325 million and brings in 1.5 million a year, so that's 0.5%
So Canada is twice as easy to get into, legally.
Not that long, the UK's Slavery Abolition Act was in 1833, which supersedes the 1807 law. France was 1976 IIRC. So around 50 to 60 years, which isn't that long in the grand scheme of things.
If you can do the job from home, so can a better qualified worker in India getting 1/10 the pay.
I would. If the weather were better. Maybe Canada can come to US?
Every time there's a major political disaster (Bush, Trump, Cameron, Brexit) there's a bunch of people who say "fuck this, I'm moving to ___". Lots of folk laugh it off, and sure enough a lot of the people who threaten to leave find that it's too much effort to follow through.
But every single time, some of them do. Three of my friends have abandoned this sinking ship in recent years, and I'm sorely tempted to join their ranks. Switching country is often a lot of effort, but honestly so is living in one antithetical to your beliefs. I am sick and tired arguing what I've always believed to be obvious and self-evident: that all people should be treated with decency and respect, that cooperation can produce better outcomes than competition, that privilege makes everyone poorer and that the use of force should always be the last resort. In a culture that exhorts divisiveness, selfishness, greed and violence, it often feels like pissing in the wind.
The country of origin is very relevant. There are preferential programs for various places.
Also, there is very little industry in Canada, professions are regulated, so engineers will have to retrain fist and then will have nothing to do.
I voted directly for Trump. I even advocated for other people to vote for Trump.
We needed a drano president, and it's been rewarding watching all the flotsam shriek as it swirls down the drain.
That's like asking why saudi arabia imports oil...
correction: They want the best cheap engineers
A neighbor a few houses down flys a rebel flag and has never flown a US flag.
The recent story where the decades-long white product manager had to leave so they could appoint an Indian replacement..... he was clearly pushed out.
Yeah he was trying to say he doesn't like that. Whether its legal or the official language or not. Its rude to not have the slightest interest in learning english when you move here. That is what he was trying to say.
I've worked with good people in India, but large companies aren't getting those people at 1/10 the pay. Those people in my experience are really just capable of following direct orders so they need someone to direct things. I've been told it's because people with 'skills' quickly want to become part of management because of social status but I don't know how true this is.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Canada has a longer life expectancy than the USA. It's also rising and not falling like I the USA.
Engineers are the only talent the USA has to trade for decent NHL players.
The incentive is better beer for the engineers and sex without snow shoes for the hockey stars.
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
Seems like you n1ggers want more H1B migrant scum to take jobs and salaries from your own local kind. Good. Please keep doing it.
Australia and NZ also have similar systems, but progressives in the US claim that it's racist for Trump wanting to have it as you pointed out.
Because why you do something is often as important as what you want: it's called intent. And it's the difference between (e.g.) murder and manslaughter. Or, to a lesser degree: accidentally elbowing someone in the face from wildly gesticulating while telling a story, and walking over to someone and popping them one.
"I want immigrants with a different set of skills" and "I want to keep the brown people out" are both reasons to change and an immigration: can you tell the difference between the two?
Creimer left Slashdot for YouTube. Creimertards are irrevelant and getting modded down. No one cares about your butthurt over an unreleased haiku ebook. Get a fucking life, asshole.
Which things did Progressives say that Trump stated? You talk about people thinking they are smart and acting stupid, but I must confess that a couple examples on your part would help your argument. I am not saying that I completely disagree with you, just that without those examples, you look both stupid and arrogant. Maybe better to say, "People care about the messenger, not the message", then some Trump/Progressive as well as Obama/Conservative examples, and skip the part about calling people dumb.
The 2 party system we have is an artifact of a first past the post election system. The only way a different party is ever going to be more than a spoiler in national elections is to start at the state level and build up a party that takes over for one of the existing parties. Until then a vote for a 3rd party candidate for President is just a wasted vote. You'd be better off voting against the major party candidate you'd least like to see in the office.
That Anonymous Cashews and her sockpuppets are ignoring you is telling.
I am obliged to note that I find it more funny that the default is soft engineering when referring to engineering. By and large engineering as a discipline is not soft engineering. Engineers designed/built your roads, trains, planes, buildings, water supply, energy supply, wastewater systems, storm drainage systems, telecom systems...the list goes on. Sure software development and testing is involved in much of these disciplines, but it occurs under the responsible charge of licensed Professional Engineers. Thus, engineering occurs everywhere and not just in the latest hot tech spot. (We will skip the debate about how one must be licensed to practice engineering and to call themselves an Engineer.)
I remeber when i lived in the US there was a big sign by the highway "Day labor pickup".. Not some cardboard sign, but an actual metal sign like the government pots, complete with a nice waiting area for all the illigial workers..
You do realize that's a bad thing right?
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The idea of Merit-based immigration has a rather interesting history here in the US:
https://www.theatlantic.com/bu...
tl;dr is that in the early 1960's, civil-rights proponents (from the progressive faction of the Democratic party) were once the champions of a merit-based immigration system. Opponents (mostly the southern Democratic party faction) championed the blood-tie / family-reuinification system, assuming that since the USA demography was at that time overwhelmingly white and of Western and Northern European descent, a blood-tie based system would serve to preserve the status quo. What they did not anticipate was the collapse in Western/Northern European emigration, as their birth-rates fell and their economies improved.
Not really covered in the article above, is that afterwards the Southern Democrats would flip to the Republican party during the "Southern Strategy" shift, resulting in a scrambling of ideological alignments of both the Democrats and the Republicans that contributed to the modern day mess.
Considering that 50% of YouTube videos have less than 500 views, any video with 500+ views is doing quite well. The Slashdot video is creimer's second most popular video, his third 500+ video and he has many videos approaching 500+ views.
Unless you're trying to montenize your channel (4K hours in watch time and 1K subscribers), subscriber count is irrelevant. Most YouTubers can't get more than 2% of their subscriber base to click on a video. If creimer depended on subscribers, his videos would get no views. All his views are coming from search and promotion outside of YouTube.
Read, know the true enemy of the JUDENited states' people: Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (non-jews): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were these nations banishing them a lie? Argentines in 1940 under Peron, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it (which JEWgle's JEWTube has blocked, there are links below though that are not blocked proving it is truth) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Mark Zuckerberg who STOLE facebook's code from the Winklevoss twins (who dusted him in court on it) calling his users "DUMB FUCKS" & spied on his collegiate classmates via 'fakebook', home of bots and spying/tracking you, now in court FRYING (rightfully so). He also PAID OFF the courts (by political contributions like Jew AIPAC does) on the MAJORITY of the council judges there. He STILL had to apologize!
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?...
Like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
John Podesta Hillary's pal again, is another JUDE with a pedophile brother (both = satanists too imo).
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread (which THIS video covers in detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8Y1743QoY/ & how they ran the black slave trade + how they say a prayer to KILL US ALL (goyim) during passover), infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
or https://www.youtube.com/watch?... too!
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ (now blocked by JEWgle JEWTube, but this one is not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU/ ). No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of wa
You missed the part where Canada doesn't limit the country but you have Trump pushing laws to exclude certain countries, not even all the real bad ones. That's the xenophobic part you missed. (I believe there's also limits per country/region in US immigration as well).
Why the fuck are you asking the Internet why two Americans work for you? We're not fucking mind readers and you didn't imply anything obvious. Your post is meaningless unless you can tell us why.
Who the fuck marked this troll instead of informative? The only thing missing was some blame on religion and the shit in the bible about slave property, killing slaves and shit to "justify" being a slave owner piece of shit.
I'm in Canada. We'd have developers from partners from Egypt ,Poland, India, Indonesia, and US. How well they fit depended on their English and their social capabilities. The Egyptians would take frequent prayer breaks, didn't smoke, didn't drink, didn't swear and they smelled. As any race, if you stink at work, you're going to have people talk about you behind your backs.
The Polish guy had good English, but would only answer questions when trying to make conversation. I wish apk was more like him.
The Indonesian was fun, outgoing and good for a laugh.
The Indians could also joke. Sometimes you couldn't tell if they were serious or joking. One guy left a bad impression with me for greatly exaggerating/lying about qualifications. There was no fucking reason to lie about knowing how to drive when you can't. There was no pressure or requirement for him to drive. Also, the constant head bobbing is annoying and distracting to me.
Many of the Indians at work had kids in minor hockey. Seeing these families wear jerseys and hang out in cold hockey stadiums is nice to see. When I grew up, there's like 1-4 families not white in our town. People were rascist without knowing. Kids growing up will have several non-white friends and so shouldn't be anywhere as bad in 10-20 years as 10-20 years ago.
I was relieved to see Canada put more emphasis on English language than jobs. I know people who have lived in Canada for 30+ years and their English is still shit (most worked labour jobs without education and now their bodies are broken down, they don't have other skills, and English is pathetic). It's because they speak their native language at home instead of English. Greeks, Portuguese, Indians and Chinese, I'm looking at you.
Sure, itâ(TM)s all fun & games when it happens to minorities, women, & those other people.
But guess what... that racist shit you voted in is going to come for you by destroying everything for his ego.
Congratulations- you are responsible for the beginning of Americaâ(TM)s demise.
Take that to your grave, you piece of shit.
Canada's immigration rate for its population size is simply too high - there's not going to be a Canada in another 20-30 years.
If you can't understand all the Trump bashing then you are likely a Russian troll.
"Anti-white racism" ..... trying to push some hot buttons here, I see. Is that you, Doug? The real problem with the provincial Liberals is financial accountability. As a Canadian, I'm embarrassed by your posts. As an Ontarian, I'm embarrassed by Doug Ford (leader of provincial Conservative Party, for those of you not literate in Canadian provincial politics).
Once the merging of Canada and the United States is complete, who cares? Instead of 50 it'll be 65 states. When California breaks up, it'll be 69.
What people from India do, is, that they go to $country_name, set up a company there, and only hire people born in India. That's it. This is how they colonise other countries.
China will send its best sons and dauhters to steal, and to give birth ("anchor babies"). Another way of colonisation.
Middle-Easterners and Afghanis will send their young-looking rejects as "children" to anchor in Europe, and then abuse and misuse the family reconnection system. Whereas the Syrian refugees, who really need help, live in city-sized refugee camps. Tents as far as the eye can see.
Sweden naively accepted as many Syrians as it thought it could, and found out the hard way, that many simply failed to integrate. These people come from countries with very different cultures and mores, and it's not some distressed European country, the people of which would mostly share the same cultural norms as Sweden does.
I work right now with people in India. The language barrier is still a huge problem. I worked on a large porting project and I did 50% of the work and 15 programmers in India did the other 50%. Each of the 15 programmers in India made MUCH more than 1/15 of my salary.
Companies like IBM are outsourcing their "Crown Jewels" to India and they are loosing customers left and right. IBM's software quality and rate of updates is MUCH worse since they started massive outsourcing.
Diploma of immigrants are not recognized by Canada. It's silly because immigrant application scores are boosted because they have bac/master/phd/whatever but once in the country, they have to go back to universities!
It's not uncommon in Canada to see doctors (yes, MD) or various degree engineers, driving taxi.
"Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
In England slavery was actually abolished in common law in 1706, in 1772 that abolishment was extended to Great Britain, and finally in 1833 the law abolishing slavery was expanded to cover the entire British Empire.
France abolished slavery in 1315. Unfortunately, Napoleon allowed slavery in the colonies again in 1802, but France banned the slave trade again in 1818, and abolished Slavery in all it's colonies again in 1848.
I'm in Canada. A few years ago, I was looking for good QA testers. We were paying low 40k's a year for local people with college degrees. I get a call from one of these job placement type companies in the area. He's going on about how much cheaper to have a team in India to help productivity and what not. They had 4 weeks vacation and 10 days of paid training a year factored in (we start with two weeks vacation). I started off thinking I was going to get people for 12k-25k per year per person. The cost per person was $60k a year. I never talked to the company again.