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Eventbrite Claims The Right To Film Your Events -- And Keep the Copyright (eventbrite.com)
Eventbrite lets you sell tickets online for your events. An anonymous reader reports on Eventbrite's newly-updated merchant agreement.
The merchant agreement specifies that you "grant permission to Eventbrite and its agents to enter onto and remain on the premises (including real property, fixtures, equipment, or other personal property) where your event is hosted...with personnel and equipment for the purpose of photographing and recording the Premises, both internally and externally in connection with the production of digital content on the date of your event(s) and any other dates reasonably requested by Eventbrite (for example, during setup and breakdown for the event) (the 'Shoot')."
But in addition, you're also granting them permission to record and use footage of all your attendees and speakers, "in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed, without further authorization from, or compensation to." And after that Eventbrite "will own all rights of every nature whatsoever in and to all films and photographs taken and recordings made hereunder, including without limitation of all copyrights therein and renewals and extensions thereof, and the exclusive right to use and exploit the Recordings in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed..." You're even responsible for obtaining all the clearances and licenses "necessary to secure Eventbrite the permissions and rights described above," and you also release Eventbrite from any claims that may arise regarding use of the Recordings, "including, without limitation, any claims of defamation, invasion of privacy, or infringement of rights of likeness, publicity or copyright."
"So, yeah. No," tweeted Ars Technica's national security editor. "Eventbrite is now off my list for recommended event organizing tools."
UPDATE (4/23/18): "Facing a backlash to the new language, Eventbrite pulled the section from the Agreement's text on Sunday afternoon," reports Ars Technica.
But in addition, you're also granting them permission to record and use footage of all your attendees and speakers, "in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed, without further authorization from, or compensation to." And after that Eventbrite "will own all rights of every nature whatsoever in and to all films and photographs taken and recordings made hereunder, including without limitation of all copyrights therein and renewals and extensions thereof, and the exclusive right to use and exploit the Recordings in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed..." You're even responsible for obtaining all the clearances and licenses "necessary to secure Eventbrite the permissions and rights described above," and you also release Eventbrite from any claims that may arise regarding use of the Recordings, "including, without limitation, any claims of defamation, invasion of privacy, or infringement of rights of likeness, publicity or copyright."
"So, yeah. No," tweeted Ars Technica's national security editor. "Eventbrite is now off my list for recommended event organizing tools."
UPDATE (4/23/18): "Facing a backlash to the new language, Eventbrite pulled the section from the Agreement's text on Sunday afternoon," reports Ars Technica.
Do they plan on putting this on Youtube and attempting to monetize it? I don't even want to think about the issues involved if their cameras pick up a copyrighted video is shown at one of their events. The copyright nightmare would keep the lawyers in boat payments for years.
What is the end game for this? Or is some lawyer just getting over reaching and assuming someone isn't going to read the fine print?
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
you may not own the rights - they are making you sign away - famous\semi famous people may own their images rights etc,
"in any manner, in any medium or context now known or hereafter developed, without further authorization from, or compensation."
No fucking way!!!
Eventbrite is on my shit list. Forever. PayPal, eBay, Roku and now Eventbrite.
Overreaching by some dimwit lawyer who was not suprvised by an intelligent person.
Their own streaming service. Consolidation DVD/BLueray/whatever disks.
'Hey, stream the indie bands/theater/show in your area! $6.99/month!"
"See the hotchicks that show up to bands in your area."
Kids posting the video and posting "Ah mah Gaahd! There's me and my buds!"
And the algorithms take over and start posting ads for concerts, shows, cloths, restaurants, .....
Geeze! I'm an old fart 'who doesn't get this shit' and I can think of those off of the top of my head.
That might well be, he's right tho.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
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Okay, so we have anti-Semitic posts at 0 and +2, yet the one critical post is at -1. It's time to bring these posts to the attention of Slashdot's advertisers. I can't imagine the advertisers want their products shown alongside such bigotry. Perhaps when the advertisers start pulling their ads and the money starts to go away. Slashdot will take seriously removing the racist and xenophobic content from their comments sections.
What would the ethnicity of the company's founders have to do with anything? Also, names are insufficient to demonstrate ethnicity, and no other evidence was provided. Congratulations, you've outed yourself as a bigot, too.
Ah yes, the Eventbrite thatâ(TM)s preparing for its IPO this year. Also the same Eventbrite that canceled Milo Yiannapoulisâ(TM) event because of unspecified âoeterms of serviceâ violations.
Why don't bigots like you set an example and post your real names so you can be identified? What are you afraid of?
I'm going to start sending Eventbrite invites to President Trump's daily intelligence meetings.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Fuck off. Slashdot is a shadow of its former self, but the people still remember that censoring a single comment was once a big issue (the infamous Scientology incident). You can shove your extortionate tactics right up your ass. Threatening people's livelihood for not kowtowing to your worldview is disgusting, cowardly and fascist.
Yes, they are Jewish. From Jewish Business News: Kevin and Julia Hartz Raise Another $60 Million for Eventbrite – At Near $1 Billion Valuation
"The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the nations on the earth, to be His own."
Everyone else is less important, according to Jewish belief.
They realize they can get an audience with "reality" channels of these events. Funny home video's etc. They don't have to pay anyone for their shows. If something goes down that is serious, they can sell the footage to TMZ or News channels. So yeah, they are basically cutting everyone out of any revenue.
That is because they are factual and correct while you, like all brainwashed SJWs, are factually incorrect and emotional
Take a step back, grow up, and learn about reality not emotionally driven nonsense
Fuck Eventbrite and everyone like them.
So you can finance my lifestyle of shenanigans and no responsibility.
Big nose?
I was done with them years ago. HR at my last job decided to use them for some event. Eventbrite decided that meant I wanted spam about any shit going on in my area. Fuck those spamming assholes.
Any promoters reading the fine print are likely to tell Evenbrite to take a short walk off a long plank. What organization would agree to this?
If you grant A, B is automatic under current copyright law.
One possible exception: If any of the recorded material has a previous copyright (e.g., a speaker uses a speech to which they hold the copyright), Everbrite can not usurp that copyright.
Other than that? It's quite likely that this will stand up in court.
That being said: Don't use Everbrite. Tell everyone you know not to use Everbrite. Hire a local firm that does what they do, and stipulate in the contract that it's "work for hire".
If you are looking to switch, take a look at tickettailor.com. Event ticketing platform that puts the event organiser in control.
I've seen this effect with any minority. A member of an identifiable minority who leads an organization and does something obnoxious - layoffs, re-orgs, whatever - it's the whole minority that's held accountable. I've seen it with Jews, Mormons, Indians. But if some guy comes in with a reputation for ruthlessness - remember Chainsaw Al? And the rest of those bosses in that article? No one blames the entire majority for the behavior of a few members.
Remember Timothy McVeigh? Or any of a host of serial killers? Same phenomenon.
Don't get me wrong - I disagree with the implications of the comment and I'm telling you why. But I believe in free expression and am opposed to things like the parent comment being censored.
When I first read the headline, I couldn't understand the problem. If I attend an event and take pictures, the event organizers don't have copyright over the images I take, I do. It seemed weird to me that Eventbrite felt the need to specify this in their terms, but it certainly was not a bad thing.
Then I read TFS.
Are they seriously claiming that they own copyright of all pictures and other recordings that anyone takes? Because if that is the case, then that is horseshit.
No, not horseshit. I don't want to belittle real horseshit by comparing it to what Eventbrite is doing.
Nobody agrees on how to pronounce roku. Been there before with nginx, integer, gif and nucular. Not worth the hassle.
undo mod
Truth hurts your feelings?
Reality always trumps pathetic self pity in the end
By participating in an event that uses the Athlinks Sites for display of photography, video or results (“Athlete Images and Data”), you hereby grant Athlinks a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use your image and likeness in the Athlete Images and Data uploaded by Event Directors on or through the Athlinks Sites.
Not that I care too much about the copyright on 10 seconds of video where I cross the finish line.
Accidentally moderating posts in the wrong direction hurts my feelings.
Lol stupidity and self delusion
There not sending their best folks ;)
You had to sign a form where you could only use original riffs in your audition, and then Fred Durst then owned them. It basically was a fishing operation for free material.
http://blastecho.com/limp-bizkit-publicity-stunt-to-replacement-founding-guitarist-fails-miserably/
No Censoreship. Mod them down. If they are invisible, we are uninformed of the mindset and numbers of these folks.
Make the event the parking lot. Itâ(TM)s a nice parking lot anyhow, so close to unrelated unaffiliated shows. Then just happen to invite some weary travelers into said separate event whilst Eventbrite can continue to go fuck themselves in the official event that was the parking lot.
Actually, asshole, it's capitalism as it was intended to function.
and it is not April 1st. I can't believe someone would be this extreme level of stupid to try to put such onerous terms upon its customers. And any consumers that use this service are just as stupid.
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
No. It's just hoarding stuff it can possibly monetize later. Raises their "value" if they want to sell out or IPO (that's the same, actually).
Someone mentioned they want to IPO?
Just avoid them. I don't get what value they offer, anyway (yes, I've been at some events managed by them. I always wrote to the organizers that it ain't worth it).
Right. "Kauf nicht bei Juden." Fascist.
There is nothing in the Wikipedia article regarding their religion or ethnicity, and "Hartz" is simply a variant spelling of Harz which is German for "resin" and a fairly common name in German-speaking countries.
this is the thought process, if we ever get wind that Beyonce is going to show up at some event, we'll send in someone to film and we can monetize it
The plain facts are a number of legalese things like TOS, NDA, Non-Compete, Warranties and so on need total reform.
My thanks to whoever actually read though the terms and conditions and found this. Having checked that the same T&C are in the Australian branch of Eventbrite (they are) I have posted this story on a couple of theatre discussion lists I'm involved with, and had a very grateful response. An eye opener for all concerned.
I am a Statistician. One false move and you are a Statistic
The music production tool that demands rights to your productions. Even the money grabbers in the industry don't try to pull that.
To be fair, lawsuits over the ownership of things like that generally revolve around access. If you had access to the work and it showed up in your work later, even unconsciously, you're likely to wind up paying.
A better strategy would likely to have had them play limp bizkit songs in different styles.
I recently bought tickets for an event from brownpapertickets and it seemed like a reasonable deal to me.
Nullius in verba
Some time in the past twelve hours, the ToS was updated. There is no longer any trace of the recording clause.
There is still a clause that requires me to waive my right to participate in a class action though. I can sue EventBrite only individually, not as part of a class action. (It appears that no-one, for any reason, whether merchant or customer, can ever pursue them in a class action under that ToS.)
Ah! I looked it up. This sounds like a contact that my be unconscionable (legal term), and hence unenforceable.
It also appears to ensnare attendees unwittingly. That is a lesser violation than the first, but may still be on weak legal grounds depending on the circumstances.
I don't know about other countries but certainly in the UK unreasonable contract terms are unenforceable – so, if you sign something which contains paragraph 16.3.b. "In addition, the licensor now owns your house and all your future income", well, that is not enforceable. Because no reasonable person signing such a deal could possibly have expected that they were signing such a thing.
I suspect this new term, "16.3.b We also have the rights to film your event and do what we like with the film and you have to provide us with all the relevant rights etc" -- would be equally unenforceable.
Agreed. I looked at both of these and tickettailor's terms were pretty much the same as eventbrite's.
It appears their merchant agreement was updated on the 22nd. There is no section 8 any longer. At least that I can find.
One could be forgiven in assuming that this is a fail from some legal bot attempting to come up with a way to CYA EventBrite if they were ever DNCA'd as opposed to them doing evil
I can't find anything being complained about in the linked 'terms and conditions'? Did they pull them already, or did they never exist?