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Windows 10 April 2018 Update is Coming On April 30 (venturebeat.com)

The next major update to Windows 10 -- called Windows 10 April 2018 Update -- finally has a release date. From a report: Microsoft today announced that the free Windows 10 April 2018 Update (previously rumored to be called the Windows 10 Spring Creators Update) will begin rolling out on April 30, 2018. For those keeping track, this update is Windows 10 build 17134.

Windows 10 is a service, meaning it was built in a very different way from its predecessors so it can be regularly updated with not just fixes, but new features, too. Microsoft has released four major updates so far: November Update, Anniversary Update, Creators Update, and Fall Creators Update. The fifth one will be out on Monday.

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  1. What are you going to break this time? by Vihai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New and improved breakage!

  2. More things will break by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh and I get to set my default browser back to Chrome and my preferred PDF reader back to Adobe Reader.

    1. Re:More things will break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      and reinstall your manufacturer's video drivers, rerun shutup10 to turn windows shit off, etc, etc.. this, of course, after 4 failed attempts to download and install, breaking when it finally does try to install, reinstalling from scratch, and sucking-up 30+ gigabytes of your monthly quota and a week of your time in the process.

    2. Re:More things will break by movdqa · · Score: 2

      What is shutup10? Sounds interesting.

  3. Re:Nice... by barc0001 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >Any time I have to use Windows, I feel vaguely unclean.

    Be careful you don't cut yourself on that edge there. One of the reasons Linux is having trouble taking off as a mainstream desktop is because of the mental image projected by comments like yours above. None of what you've 'prophesied' has come to pass in Win10 updates, so unless/until it does you sound like a crank, and by association that paints general Linux users in the same hue with current Windows users who encounter comments like that.

    How about we stick to legitimate, factual criticisms of Windows, as there are tons of those?

  4. Here we go again... by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another Slashdot article about Windows, and we can already see the trolls crawling out with their complaints about privacy, breakage, licensing, and other such crap.

    Look, you can hate on Microsoft all you want, but please stop pulling others into your dystopian fantasies. As a longtime Linux user, I'm a big fan of FLOSS, but it's not for everyone. Most folks don't care about their software's freedom, just as long as it keeps working.

    Yes, that means updating. Keeping your systems patched and updated is the best way to reduce attack surface, regardless of what OS you use. Keeping old and familiar things is comfortable, but it's also keeping around the broken permissions model that Microsoft has been trying to improve since Windows Vista. Remember how much that broke? It was mostly because Vista had a decent security model, rather than the crap from XP.

    Don't go turning off security features thinking you're protecting your privacy... you're really just increasing the time it takes for you to be protected against new threats. Microsoft doesn't care about the porn you watch or how many hours you spend on My Little Pony forums. They care about whether the worm infections causing havoc in Brazil all started from a website on a common domain, or use binaries with the same hashes.

    Finally, please stop complaining that your hardware from 1994 doesn't work with the new updates. I'm terribly sorry that your vendor doesn't bother to support driver APIs less than a decade old, but it's time to move on. Those random bluescreens and lockups are usually not Microsoft's fault; it's that the third-party vendor doesn't think stability is enough of a priority to actually test their drivers.

    With that all out of the way, let's all have a nice friendly conversation, eh? Anyone?

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    1. Re: Here we go again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously don't have to support this shit professionally. The Microsoft hate isn't about Apple vs Commodore fanboyism, it's about money. Every time they drop these 'upgrades', I have to pull systems engineers to help our technical support people because they're slammed with support calls. So fuck Microsoft, not because BSD is better, but because they cost us money.

    2. Re:Here we go again... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The choice doesn't have to be between free/open-source and pay. The choice can be between subscription (as MS is currently ramming down users' throats) and pay-once, keep the same feature-set, maybe pay for security updates. Like all Windows up to and including Windows 7. Why should everyone be nickel-and-dimed to death while not even maintaining a consistent UX?

    3. Re: Here we go again... by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      I do actually support it professionally... My current day job is as a sysadmin with support duties for both Linux and Windows environments.

      It's not like this update is a surprise... Microsoft announced it a while ago, and there has been a steady stream of news about it as it approaches a final state. That means about a week ago would be a good time to send out a warning to your users, saying "there's an update coming, and it'll be big. Here are the common issues reported with previous updates..."

      Now, I'm all in favor of suggesting Microsoft should be responsible for making a perfect product that never causes issues, and as I said, you can hate Microsoft all you want... I'm just sick of seeing people suggesting that users go out of their way to ignore security best-practices, then whine about Windows having security problems.

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    4. Re:Here we go again... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, that means updating. Keeping your systems patched and updated is the best way to reduce attack surface, regardless of what OS you use

      And that's not what people are complaining about. What they are complaining about is that they have to patch for security but they have to accept patches which at the same time expose themselves to less privacy. What they are complaining about is that these updates are causing BSODs and other major bugs.

      Keeping old and familiar things is comfortable, but it's also keeping around the broken permissions model that Microsoft has been trying to improve since Windows Vista. Remember how much that broke? It was mostly because Vista had a decent security model, rather than the crap from XP.

      While some people refuse to change, that wasn't the major complaint of Vista. The major complaint was that it broke many things that took a while for drivers to be updated. Yes there were major changes to the security model but Vista chirping to ask for every single permission was annoying to many. Also another major complaint was how many brand new systems were sold as "Vista Capable" when they could only use the most crippled version of Vista.

      Microsoft doesn't care about the porn you watch or how many hours you spend on My Little Pony forums. They care about whether the worm infections causing havoc in Brazil all started from a website on a common domain, or use binaries with the same hashes.

      If MS doesn't care about those things then why are they increasingly gathering more data about what their users do? MS cares about all of that. It's a not a binary thing.

      Finally, please stop complaining that your hardware from 1994 doesn't work with the new updates. I'm terribly sorry that your vendor doesn't bother to support driver APIs less than a decade old, but it's time to move on. Those random bluescreens and lockups are usually not Microsoft's fault; it's that the third-party vendor doesn't think stability is enough of a priority to actually test their drivers.

      This is kinda a strawman argument isn't it? I think many admins care that Windows updates have been causing BSODs.

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    5. Re: Here we go again... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Now, I'm all in favor of suggesting Microsoft should be responsible for making a perfect product that never causes issues, and as I said, you can hate Microsoft all you want... I'm just sick of seeing people suggesting that users go out of their way to ignore security best-practices, then whine about Windows having security problems.

      We as users don't need MS to make a "perfect" product. We need MS to respect privacy while fixing security bugs.

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  5. Re:Yea but.... by thegreatbob · · Score: 2

    As the AC noted, 15 minutes is on the fast side. Where I work, we've lost many hours due to this crap triggering in the middle of the day, despite active hours being set. Fortunately, we haven't suffered any of the total-breakage no-boot scenarios, though we have had to roll things back a number of times due to forced driver updates.

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  6. Re:Nice... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Earlier versions of Win 10 were known for removing "incompatible" apps without user permission, often random stuff like SFTP clients. As far as apps being moved to a paid model, look at something as stupid as Solitaire. Free in Windows 7, pay to remove ads in Windows 10. Not only pay, but pay $10 a year to remove ads.

  7. What if I don't want new features? by mcmonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm all for security updates, but I haven't recovered from the last time I was hit with "new features."

    1. Re:What if I don't want new features? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Hear hear! Please let me opt out of your bullshit updates and mandatory reboots without having to pay for a pro license.

      The second better eGPU support is added, and more of the games i'd want to play are available on linux (no, WINE does not count) I'll move my home computer off of that POS windows 10. (so realistically, never)

  8. Re:Nice... by darkain · · Score: 2

    To counter this, look at One Note. Microsoft just moved it from Office (paid) to part of Windows (free). The things people are constantly bitching about are bad decisions from two years ago that have already been corrected: such as the ability to easily disable telemetry now, or the ability to set "working hours" in which Windows will not update / restart itself because it may interfere with daily activities. Microsoft has actively been listening and correcting these issues that customers have massively complained about. Why has this not held true in the overall Linux world with SystemD? Myself and countless others have already made the jump away from Linux because of it, to other things like FreeBSD and Illumos.

  9. Re:Yea but.... by greenwow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    differential updates?

    Microsoft has actually gone the other direction with their cumulative updates. Yes, ,it really sucks to download >1G updates each month at several of our sites still stuck with dial-up, but they are more reliable than the old way of having dozens and dozens of different updates that can fail.

  10. Re:Nice... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To counter this, look at One Note. Microsoft just moved it from Office (paid) to part of Windows (free).

    Microsoft account required, so only "free" in the sense that it doesn't cost money.

    the ability to easily disable telemetry now

    Not really, the OS still tries to talk to the telemetry servers even if you disable all reporting options.

    the ability to set "working hours" in which Windows will not update / restart itself because it may interfere with daily activities

    To be fair, that never should have been an issue in the first place.

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  11. Here is what I do (and what I recommend doing) by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Come April 29, disable the updating process. Yes, it's possible. Wait for May 3-4. Read up what's going on. Then decide whether you want to install or whether it's better to keep the update disabled.

    Windows Updates are not a nature of force. You still have every option to not let them happen and wait it out 'til others have played Russian roulette for your convenience.

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  12. Re:Update model by greenwow · · Score: 2

    Why do they insist on this broken update model which breaks things every fucking time. Last time was my VPN and Virtualbox network adapters.

    "DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run"

    But seriously, our users run a lot of weird or old apps and nearly every month something breaks after a Windows update. It's gotten to the point where some departments refuse to install updates even on public-facing servers. Microsoft has created a serious problem.

    I haven't seen the problem with VirtualBox. I have about three dozen vms, and sometimes run half a dozen of them at a time some with very complicated network setups with multiple interfaces. Also, I usually have three or four OpenVPN connections running simultaneously since we're too cheap to pay the 5 cents per hour to do site-to-site VPN to different Amazon regions or to buy better cisco firewalls to support it. It has been rock solid for me since I started using 10.

  13. Re:Nice... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what you are saying is it's a game that was never free in Windows 10 to begin with making the earlier comment completely invalid? Gotchya.

    You know you are a hopeless MS fanboy when you find yourself defending Microsoft making Mine sweeper and Solitaire pay apps.

  14. GNU/Linux + PS4 by tepples · · Score: 2

    You can play video games without Windows. Switch your PC from Windows to GNU/Linux and add a PlayStation 4 console. Quite a few PC games on Steam and emulators of retro consoles are ported to Linux, and Wine runs numerous others. Many unported games that do not work in Wine are ported to a PlayStation platform, and some PlayStation 2 through 4 games can use a mouse and keyboard. One thing you do lose on PlayStation 4, however, is mods.

  15. So no one else can access your private notes by tepples · · Score: 2

    Microsoft account required, so only "free" in the sense that it doesn't cost money.

    Without some form of authentication, how else should the offsite backup or web access feature ensure that only you can view or edit your notes? Other tools to back up your notes offsite, such as Dropbox and Google Keep, also require an account.

  16. Re:Time-dependent Internet data metering by darkain · · Score: 2

    Settings > Network > Change connection properties > Metered connection