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US Keeps China, Puts Canada on IP Priority Watch List (reuters.com)
The Trump administration on Friday labeled 36 countries as inadequately protecting U.S. intellectual property rights, keeping China on a priority watch list and adding Canada over concerns about its border controls and pharmaceutical practices. From a report: The U.S. Trade Representative's annual report on global IP concerns is separate from the "Section 301" report on Chinese technology transfer practices that has led the world's two largest economies to threaten each other with tariffs. The so-called "Special 301 Report on Intellectual Property Rights" calls out China for its "coercive technology transfer practices" and "trade secret theft, rampant online piracy, and counterfeit manufacturing." It was the 14th straight year that China was placed on the "Priority Watch List." U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer is due to travel to China next week along with other senior Trump administration officials for talks on U.S. demands for changes in Beijing's trade and intellectual property policies.
That's, OK, you're on our "assholes to try to stop doing business with" list.
So sorry we won't put our national sovereignty and our own legally enshrined rights behind those of asshole corporations -- as much as that's what they've paid your leaders to try to do.
It won't be long before the US shoots themselves in the foot and starts losing trade as other countries decide putting up with your bullshit isn't worth the effort.
But keep on trying to act like we all need you and are willing to sign terrible deals to have the privilege of trading with you.
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Ironically enough the countries on the list don't innovate anything, they just steal other's work. Developing drugs costs money. None of the breakthoughs would exists without a profit motive.
In the case of Canada's pharmaceutical practices, they result in prices so cheap that many Americans travel to Canada to obtain drugs. This smacks of corporate cronyism steering Trump's decisions. Drain the swamp... my ass.
"Pharmaceutical practices"? As in cheap drugs crossing border into profitstan.
I'm going to assume this has something to do with generic drugs? I guess drug companies in the US are more concerned about making a buck than actually helping people. In Canada, most essential drugs have a generic or no-name equivalent which is often cheaper than the brand name drug and works just as well. I sure hope that isn't their complaint because that particular law makes drugs cheaper for the folks who need it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtHd25RyV4
Which country is letting large numbers of immigrants illegally cross the border into Quebec and Manitoba the past few years? President Trump doesn't seem to concerned about stopping that from happening. Our current government is also part of the problem.
As for the "pharmaceutical practices" I don't know about IP issues, but I know the cost of drugs here isn't nearly as ridiculous as things are becoming in the U.S. Sorry we aren't letting drug companies rip off people as badly as they do in your country, Mr. President.
Ironically enough the countries on the list don't innovate anything, they just steal other's work. Developing drugs costs money. None of the breakthoughs would exists without a profit motive.
I call bullshit - many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science. We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement behind the scientists doing the fundamental science that made it possible.
and the government money funding the universities that make a lot of the basic breakthroughs.
The U.S. has now been added to the list of #shithole countries.
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Seriously, Canada, along with the UK, are our closest allies.
In addition, neither of them deserve the treatment that Trump has given them.
I now know how an East Germany felt.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
China is one of the leading investors in Hollywood films. It's why garbage like The Transformers movies keep getting made.
Never? As in all capital letters never?
No one would have smelt a profit to be made from lasers?
OK ! We can throw off the shackles of rewarding people who invent new stuff !!
The US isn't any better at economic output than any other developed nation -- what the US is better at is trapping, tricking, decieving, and wringing every last cent out of consumers. IP law is one big part of that.
Completely agree. Developing drugs cost money, so why cure anything? Just "fix the symptoms" and keep the person alive but dependent on them for the rest of their life - PROFIT!
Bitch please, with all the "migrants" coming illegally into Canada, from US, we're the ones who should be putting the US on a border control watchlist. You just let them pass through to Canada without doing anything.
Not at the time they were invented, no. Lasers were originally conceived and the foundation for them laid down in the 1920s. It took until the 1980s when they were actually something you could market.
You think any company invests into something with a 60 years development period?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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#1 source of cocaine entering Canada: USA
#1 souce of illegal guns entering Canada: USA
Eat cock Trumptards. Everyone knows youre morans. Everyone.
just get rid of that idiot already
We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement
Lasers were developed at Bell Labs and Hughes Research Lab, which were both operated by for-profit companies. They funded research labs in the expectation that the R&D would be profitable.
China is one of the leading investors in Hollywood films. It's why garbage like The Transformers movies keep getting made.
The lack of dialog makes them easier to internationalize.
Oh right you already have.
Like Star Wars, then?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This is yet another tale of corporate oligarchy extracting their government sponsored payola.
A pain killer that as $138 in 2013 is now $2979 (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/15/investing/drug-prices-vimovo-horizon-painkiller/index.html )
https://www.chausa.org/publica...
This is how they (the GOP) will ultimately kill medicare.
If we ever want to bring health care costs, and being care to the masses, these companies must be broken. This is no longer about profit but gouging. The only way to get this country back is campaign finance reform.
Canada's been on that list for years. Heck, what was news is that we got off it for a while.
Trump is also currently in the process of renegotiating NAFTA with Canada and is prone to slinging a little mud at his opponents during negotiations (right out of "The Art of the Deal").
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I saw article. Russian not use article, ever.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Nonsense. The "301 report" is, and always has been, crooked.
See: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2017/03/canadian-government-on-u-s-special-301-we-dont-recognize-validity-of-flawed-report/
(begin excerpt of Professor Michael Geist's excellent article)
The Canadian government stance is described thus:
[Author] recently obtained documents under the Access to Information Act that confirm the Canadian government’s rejection of the Special 301 process. Canada will not bother appearing today largely because it rejects the entire process. According to a memorandum drafted for Canadian Heritage Minister Melanie Joly after last years’ report:
The Government of Canada does not recognize the validity of the process as the findings tend to rely predominantly on allegations from U.S. industry stakeholders rather than on objective analysis.
Media lines go even further:
Canada does not recognize the validity of the Special 301 and considers the process and the Report to be flawed. The Report fails to employ a clear methodology and the findings tend to rely on industry allegations rather than empirical evidence and objective analysis.
(end excerpt)
Oh, and while you're injecting your next insulin shot to keep from dying because of diabetes, try to remember that Frederick Banting, the medical researcher and doctor and Nobel Prize winner who figured out how to keep your obese ass alive, was CANADIAN!
ALSO note: http://clinchem.aaccjnls.org/content/48/12/2270
"On January 23, 1923, an American patent on both insulin and Toronto’s method of making it was awarded to Banting, Collip, and Best. For $1.00 to each, the three discoverers assigned their patent rights to the Board of Governors of the University of Toronto."
Back then the researchers weren't so greedy! Mind you, Martin Shkreli wasn't born yet.
Ironically, you are full of it. You cannot just "steal" a drug. You basically have to invent it yourself, just a bit later. There is no rational reason to give all to the first to then rip everybody else off.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
An expectation that the department, as a whole, might produce something commercially successful is not the same thing as requiring that every individual experiment comes with a business plan.
I'd have thought a captain of industry like you would know that.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
But the fundamental theory, the basic physics, on which lasers were based - without which Bell Labs would have had nothing to develop from, was laid down by Einstein in 1917. Bell Labs did amazing work, but they did not set out 'Hey, I bet we can make money making coherent light pulses, lets go work out the basic physics to support that' - they took existing physics, and figured out how to do something useful with it. If all science were driven by profit, that first step would disappear, there would just be incremental improvements, no more fundamentally new stuff.
Banting made a fortune off of that invention. Thank you for pointing that out.
Like "Elementary" with a chinese Dr Watson. That is so fucking retarded.
Next, chinese n1gger hip hop bullcrap. Americans have no culture and this shit proves it.
Train0987, Not only do Canadians have a longer average lifespan and universal healthcare, they also have organizations like Toronto SickKids which is actually an international leader in the treatment of children with life threatening and/or rare conditions. SickKids is also a research institute that has developed many new and highly advanced treatments.
So when you say that none of those countries creates anything, you are clearly just talking out of your ass. Typical ignorant American prat that thinks America creates everything and is the best at everything. You sir are a fucking moron.
many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science for FREE? They worked for No Pay? Pan handled for food? I call bullshit Too.
If you're trying to get culture out of your television, you are a fucking moron.
One dollar is not a fortune, stupid.
The problem with campaign finance reform is it is only applied to non-DNC parties.
The list of campaign finance laws broken by the Clinton campaign is long and no charges (ask Bernie Sanders for details of some of them)...
Meanwhile Muller is claiming Cohen (who wasn't part of any campaign, administration, or election) broke campaign finance laws by paying a porn star and had all of his residences raided in the middle of the night for it.
Yea, we know what campaign finance laws meant, censorship of DNC opposition, nothing else.
Which country is letting large numbers of immigrants illegally cross the border into Quebec and Manitoba the past few years? President Trump doesn't seem to concerned about stopping that from happening. Our current government is also part of the problem.
How is this even happening? Manitoba and Quebec share a border with one nation - the USA. Is this a bunch of hyperbole? Is your country letting questionable people in on tourist visas who aren't leaving and for some reason are finding Manitoba and Quebec to be extra welcoming?
It's complicated. Copyright term in Canada is life of the author plus 50 years for written works and 50 years from first broadcast or recording for other works. If TOS was broadcast in Canada at the same time as the US, the broadcast would be in the public domain, but the scripts would not be (which would prevent anyone from using them without authorization). Gene Roddenberry didn't die until 1991, so anything written by him would be protected until 2041. That's sooner than in the USA but still 23 years away. The 50 years from broadcast rule would probably only apply to unscripted things like sports broadcasts (IANAL).
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Captain of industry LUL.
Bill is a Chinese bootlicker.
We have Jerry's kids.
America just kicked your ass...
I call bullshit - many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science. We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement behind the scientists doing the fundamental science that made it possible.
Yes, many breakthroughs happen with ah-ha moments and pure science happens at many non-profits. The problem is going from the fundamental science to something you can actually sell. Most of the cost in developing the drugs is not the pure science, it's the clinical trials, safety tests, etc... that have to be done before you can legally sell it. It's the same thing with programming or engineering. Creating a prototype usually takes less time than going from a prototype to a finished product. Drug testing is 10 times worse. You could probably argue that we could streamline that process but even with the current drawn out process we still end up having to pull drugs all the time that had some unknown side effect that didn't show up during trials.
Stick to the Constitutional requirement, not this insane LIFETIME plus 90 years fake US version of copyright and patent that includes "business processes".
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So R&D is only profitable if you're research multiple things, but never ever if you're researching just one?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Yeah, so Canada doesn't want to be your bitch. Deal with it.
Drain my swamp ass.
This is an example of someone so trapped in an ideological bias that they insert things they imagine must be true into what they read.
Bantling did not get $1.00 per shot (which is what you presumably imagined), but $1.00 total, or the princely sum - accounting for inflation of $14.85 in 2018 money.
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Canada also has a lengthy wait list for quality of life restoring surgeries. Lengthy as in people age out of their careers and working life before being able to get surgery. I have at least two more years on the wait list for a spinal surgery which will make it five years out of my career, rendering a decade plus of experience and education irrelevant. Thanks, Canada.
Canada should put US on Data Security watchlist... considering their shady as fuck snooping laws and practices.
...he replaced all the alligators with crocodiles! That was Yuge, Bigly, So Much Winning we Beg Him To Stop!
Seriously, just stop.
We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement
Lasers were developed at Bell Labs and Hughes Research Lab, which were both operated by for-profit companies. They funded research labs in the expectation that the R&D would be profitable.
Bell Labs was operated as by a regulated monopoly whose profits and expenses were fairly static until the break up in the 1980s. Given that the laser was created in the 1950s, when Ma Bell didn't have to worry about competition, saying that it was a "for-profit company" is technically correct but misses the point.
Bell could throw many millions of dollars are research which may or may not be fruitful because ROI was generally irrelevant to them. (Ditto for the transistor, also developed at Bell Labs.)
Really? Breakthroughs like penicillin didnâ(TM)t happen because of a pure profit motive, and the world would be a very different place if it had. http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/florey/story.htm
Congratulations, you've just described in a nutshell how the pharmaceutical industry currently works.
Ironically enough the countries on the list don't innovate anything, they just steal other's work. Developing drugs costs money. None of the breakthoughs would exists without a profit motive.
I call bullshit - many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science. We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement behind the scientists doing the fundamental science that made it possible.
No it is true. Life existed at only single cell level until Capitalism was invented. Now, there are no Barriers - except Canada. Sad.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Trump wants Americans to die. No life saving drugs for you!
Show him a map. ...
I guess he believes Canada is a province of Syria or something
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
have just come to expect Mr Trump to be what could charitably be called erratic.
I'd think that is similar to the view from the rest of the world as well.
Ever hear of forestry?
"over concerns about its border controls and pharmaceutical practices."
Exactly, we can't have those Canadian fuckers sell meemaw and peepaw their much needed drugs for a reasonable price.
It wouldn't be so bad if the research at publicly funded universities wouldn't end up being privately profitable. If the drugs were made in America, they should be the cheapest in America.
There are a number of things the Canadian government wants to "negotiate away" at these talks. We have market quotas for chicken and milk that cost consumers millions but have been politically impossible to remove. The Canadian government would love to give these away as concessions for something. There are probably some US politicians that would like to make "concessions" on some stupid American law that is politically difficult to remove. Canada can't be the only country with dumb laws for rich special interest groups.
Shame on Canada for trying to make advanced drugs affordable to people that need them.
Ironically enough the countries on the list don't innovate anything, they just steal other's work. Developing drugs costs money. None of the breakthoughs would exists without a profit motive.
Bullshit. Where do you think the U.S. gets their medical isotopes from? It happens to be Canada mostly. When NASA needed an "arm" for the Space Shuttle who do you think designed and built it? A Canadian Corporation. Know any diabetics taking insulin? Thank Canada for their being alive. How about babies eating Pablum? Invented at the Toronto Hospital for Sick Children. And so on and so forth. I'm sure other countries on the list have their own discoveries.
many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science for FREE? They worked for No Pay? Pan handled for food? I call bullshit Too.
You don't know much of the history of science do you? A lot of the early work on which modern science was based was from Scientists who were independently wealthy doing research because they wanted to KNOW. Then again Einstein came up with the theory or relativity as a patent clerk and his employers weren't paying him for that.
No one is stopping you from paying for it in the US.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Seriously, Canada, along with the UK, are our closest allies.
In addition, neither of them deserve the treatment that Trump has given them.
I now know how an East Germany felt.
Canada has been on these U.S. lists for a LONG time. As to the treatment consider how post 9/11 Bush kept thanking the countries that helped and backed the U.S., the only time he mentioned Canada was when questioned by the press for his omission to which he responded "You don't thank family". How dysfunctional is the the Bush family? So yeah we have had this treatment by a lot more than just Trump.
It isn't even just the politicos like Bush and Trump but also can be the people as in the incident where 3 playoff games played in the U.S. had the Canadian anthem booed but when after the 3rd U.S. game in the 3rd Canadian game the Canadian fans booed back and we got the "HOW DARE YOU!" treatment from Americans for finally booing the American anthem after being provoked 3 times (and this was the final Canadian game in the series so it was the last chance). So yeah we are used to it.
I myself in my Canadian home town was harassed by a pair of Americans, when I told them off their response was "Here in the U.S.A they had the right to do whatever they wanted". They didn't even know enough to understand that Canada isn't in the U.S.A.
Answer me this. Why is it that so many Americans come to Canada to celebrate your 4th of July independence from the British Empire? I ask because not only are they really obnoxious when they do but it seems wrong to visit a foreign nation that was Loyalist to that empire when you rebelled (and took in many of your loyalists when you won) to celebrate independence from that Empire. It just seems wrong.
The authors need to work in "sheltered" employment: in a world containing facts, they're at a distinct disadvantage (;-))
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... when the river is frozen and the crops are buried under ice and snow? Tis online we go to take what we desire:
(apologies to the Arrogant Worms)
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Corning.
I am fortunate to have a great physician. He works half-time at one of these private clinics, where he can spend the time to do medicine the way he thinks it should be done. I gather that he makes enough money doing this that he can spend the other half of his time being a family physician (for Canadians) in which he does 15 minute appointments - again, doing medicine how he thinks it should be done.
I would guess that most family physicians do 10 minute appointments and some do even shorter -- they can make big money if they give enough patients a few minutes of time. My doctor doesn't do this.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
The difference maybe being that it's not a groundbreaking research endeavor to plant a tree. You know that it will grow and you know, barring disease or disaster, that you will eventually be able to monetize it. Research is a VERY different beast.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You post so much FUD I'm going to have to check.
many many breakthroughs were made by scientists doing 'pure' science. We would NEVER have had, for one random example, lasers, if there had been a profit requirement behind the scientists doing the fundamental science that made it possible.
Sure (at least generally--I'm not sure about the history of lasers specifically). But someone still has to pay for it, assuming you want full-time scientists. Sometimes it's students paying tuition. Sometimes it's grants from government or nonprofits. But someone has to pay for it.
We could have a better system--one that prevents things like the epipen markup. But we still need to pay for the basic drug development and for the human trials, and for reasonable salaries and profits for everyone involved in or bankrolling that. Otherwise nobody will invest in it and many fewer people will work in the field and the drugs won't get made. It costs a lot to bring a drug to market.
Real lawyers write in C++
Scientists in the USSR did a lot of the preparatory work in the 1950s, ironically based on work from Canada. Other preparatory work was done in the UK. I was taught by one of the UK researchers who related having the latest paper translated from Russian, only to discover it was his own paper.
Which country is the source of most of the US' imported oil? Canada! By far and for a long time. Saudi Arabia and Mexico have long been in a little spat for #2, but combined they don't come near the flow from Canada. I.P. == Imported Petroleum?
Remember EBOLA???? The caccime for it was developed in Canada. The EDMONTON protocol for diabetes. It was developed in CANADA. I am not expert on medical research but I can assure the readers that our Canadian researchers are on bleeding edge developments in medicine and physics and many other areas of interest and need and they are not doing it to become fat assed corporate dudes either but to help humanity and if you think I am whistling out of my decaying poorly maintained dentition and my semi paralyzed infirm body from Canadian terrible 3rd world universal health care, let me assure you we are living longer, healthier and without the stress and worry that you Americans suffer. Feel free to actually look up the stats and see the US is turning third world. Know the difference between an honest socially minded Canada and the Trumpist mafia state you folks have inherited or have been talked into believing is the best of the best. There are many countries doing much better than the US and I don't wish it more bad years of terrible corporate governance but the US is not going up but going down and down. One day people will call bullshit on the priorities of war and invasion and terrible citizen care at home and maybe, just maybe it can change. I don't personally hold much help for it myself as if writers in slasheot don't get it Ma and Pa Kettle surely won't. Somebody voted for the individual who is watching Fox every day to run the US further and faster into the ground so what can I say? Advice..you can laugh all you want at President 'Jimmy' but he has it right in terms of priorities. He is a great man and this is said by me, an atheist who knows decency when he sees it. The intolerable arrogance and self delusion of Americans as to their country is a very dangerous and self destructive abscess and had people considered the priorities of what a nation ought to strive towards..asCarter did and does, perhaps you folks can survive without turning into a total dystopia with its rise of Nazism, racism, dangerous military decisions and just plain redneck religious craziness. Oh right...I don't think owning an AR 15 is going to make you more secure.. universal Canadian style healthcare will.
Sorry to hear that. That is just plain wrong. I really can not imagine that coming from average Americans, but the rest of us, I'm sorry.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
+1 Funny
Moderator's sense of humor is busted and needs to have sarcasm explicitly spelt out.
Ever hear of AI ?
I'm fairly sure they expect results from the current research in that field within the next decade. If that long.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'm pretty sure AI has been researched since the 1950's without much to show for it.
... people don't seem to like Alexa / Siri that much.
Not only is nothing NEAR Turing complete
And you'll notice that only recently the research has become interesting for investors and to people outside of universities.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.