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Nikola (Motors) is Suing Tesla (engadget.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Nikola Tesla invented alternating electrical current. Nikola Motors is a mobility company working on a hydrogen-powered semi truck. Tesla makes fully electric vehicles and last December unveiled its EV Semi. Nikola Motors is suing Tesla Motors over patent infringements, according to Electrek. Nikola alleges that Tesla infringes on three of its patents: fuselage design, a wraparound windshield on a semi truck and a mid-entry door. Nikola claims that these design similarities have "caused confusion" among customers and stolen away over $2 billion in business, and that if problems arise with Tesla's Semi (like battery fires or glitches with autonomous driving), they'll be attributed to Nikola. Typical patent troll stuff.
I'm not sure what the laws on the books are for frivolous patent troll lawsuits, but it would be really beneficial to society if frivolous patent law suits were heavily discouraged by huge fines to the troll perpetrating them.
There is obviously a valid and just use for patents; but there is so much abuse of the system it is ludicrous.
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According to Nikola, Tesla's truck is an impossible scam that will never work. So why bother suing a product that supposedly will never come to market?
The patents may or may not be valid, but it is wrong to call Nikola a "patent troll". Patent trolls produce no product and are only a scam to collect money thru the courts. Nikola definitely has a business in this market segment. Please update the post and remove this line.
Hmm, I wonder if a discussion about the President of the USA colluding with Russia's computer hacking attack on the DNC and other American targets is worth of a "News for Nerds" website.
No? Too stupid to talk about hacking that crosses over into treason?
Ok, let's talk about some small-time lawsuit instead.
It's worse than that even... This article and it's headline IMPLIES a connection to a Nikola Tesla patent on AC motors... Such patents have expired over 100 years ago..
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We don't waste our time with tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.
Nikola unveiled its hydrogen-powered semi in December 2016. Elon Musk first showed off the Tesla Semi last December. Once you start looking at the drawings in Nikola's patents, or compare photos of concept vehicles, you'll see that there are some similarities between the trucks. Nikola also alleges that Tesla reached out to poach an employee and doesn't hold any patents for its truck design compared to Nikola's half-dozen.
This is not a patent troll. This is a company who is competing with Tesla.
And I'm not saying that they are right and will win the case.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Are these design patents? The Blue Jeans Cable case comes to mind here. I suppose they look similar, but how many ways are there to style a semi-truck?
And apparently neither is "Nikola Motors."
Only an idiot would be actively pursuing a hydrogen-fuelled anything. You aren't going to magically break the laws of physics and manage to contain the stuff. One of the reasons that the Shuttle was so expensive was the decision early on that they made to use hydrogen as the liquid fuel. The problem plagued them through from day one through the final launch.
HYDROGEN AND METALS DO NOT MIX WELL.
Well, two of these pretty much are the product of wind tunnel testing, aren't they? Pretty much why every sedan looks identical these days?
And, um, moving the location of a door? Is this a patentable invention?
I swear, the USPTO needs to be reined in and stop allowing idiotic patents. Right now their model of "approve everything, collect the money, and let someone else figure out if it was a good patent" is stupid.
The USPTO should be the ones having to defend a patent in court, or at least defend why it was a valid patent in the first place. Put the onus back on them to be competent and thorough instead of just being a rubber-stamp outfit.
So much patent bullshit over the years, all caused by laziness and stupidity on their part.
I remember in the 1960's and 70's that patents were still a good thing. Then came the corrupt (but still booming 80's) Giving birth to lying laws and in the following decades after the birth of the Web as we know it today.. TROLLS. Either make a patent a patent, and nothing more. Or just get RID of them.
Confusion in commerce (whether on the features side or the liabilities side) is a trademark issue. Patents don't provide any protection against that.
Well, I wish Elon would take on these patent trolls like he did the auto dealerships.
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Don't feed the trolls.
Patent trolls are companies which buy patents, and whose entire business model is to sue other companies for infringement of said patents. If a company is using the patent to actually MAKE something, then it's not, by definition, a patent troll.
Nikola claims that these design similarities have "caused confusion" among customers and stolen away over $2 billion in business,
Doesn't one say "Tesla" and the other "Nikola" on the sides and grilles?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
I thought the plaintiff is only considered a troll if they have no products using the patented feature or design. From the summary, it sounds like Nikola does use these things. It also sounds as if they might design patents, but that's not pertinent to the question of troll.
These are Design Patents (think Coke Bottle). While perfectly valid legal entities, I think the term 'patent' is a bit of misnomer. More of a trademark kind of thing.
Still, something to get lawyers all hot and bothered about.
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Yeah, driving around I've seen all these different but somewhat identical electric semi's and I've been all confused as to who was making them... oh wait... Neither of these companies are actually producing an actual vehicle.
This sounds like trolling of the worst and banal kind.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Before Tesla's semi project got off the ground, I heard a radio interview with a Nikola exec about their R&D. If I remember right, the company had chosen 'Nikola' as the name exactly because they were competing in the same electric vehicle space as Tesla was, but for commercial vehicles rather than personal vehicles.
I think Nikola is partly to blame for the confusion they allege, by intentionally choosing a name that is already closely associated with the name Tesla.
I looked at both and they both look like Star Wars Storm Trooper helmets. Both companies are going to lose their design patents to Disney.
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The company's name seems to be chosen to cause confusion to me.
in 2014 an alternative fuel transportation company chooses Nikola as the name, I'm sure it was definitely coincidence...
Sure, they seem to be also legitimately competing, but I think it's pretty weak sauce for them to claim confusion with a company in the news wasn't their plan from the start.
Based on the fact that they chose their name in 2014, Nikola Motors seems like a dubious company.
None of this is necessarily legal arguments, but it is legal to be shady, and based on what I've seen Nikola is shadier than Tesla (which certainly has some shadiness itself).
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Tell us more Mister Science... like where you got your engineering and physics degree.
Tired of people like you talking methane and solid waste with no understanding of the core engineering beneath.
H2 fuelled vehicles are leaps ahead of batteries which have not had any new tech in years. You can only get so dense with the materials before it becomes a bigger hazard than gas that's lighter than air and won't melt steel beams.
Yeah, like the other guy said ... Nikola Motors is causing this confusion on purpose. They named themselves Nikola Motors because of Tesla Motors. Fuck theses scummy fucks, man.
Tesla has electric cars powered by DC batteries.
Nikola has alternative fuel vehicles.
Just to confuse the hell out of everyone, someone needs to start an AC-powered car company called Edison.
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Nothing rises to the level of a utility patent with regard to door placement, windscreen curvature, bodyside skirting on a vehicle. At best they will resort to design patentability. Even then body skirts are prior works known in the trade and obvious to the craft in all three embodiments.
BUT its fabulous exposure and marketing may be able to be patented trading on naming conventions for protection arguing that obvious commonalities are confusing in the marketplace if not the USPTO
X: Did you see the semi truck fire on CNN
Y: Yeah, it had a wrapped around windshield. It must be Nikola
X: Let us not buy Nikola semi in future.
You see, this is why Nikola is losing 2 billion dollar business.
Maybe Tesla could counter-sue to strip them from their company name?
All in all, all this kind of litigation isn't productive at all. Sad really.
Tesla's motors run on AC juice. The DC from the battery is converted to AC to drive induction motors, something a guy called Nicola Tesla designed a lot of years ago.
At least now we know that "Nikola Motors" is neither now - nor will it ever be - a manufacturer of actual vehicles.
A DNC dumbass falling for a phishing scam doesn't make it an inside job. It also doesn't excuse the hack.
And shame on you and all of your right wing nut job associates for politicizing Seth Rich's tragic death.
This is clearly a patent troll masquerading as Tesla's competition.
Lets talk about how the DNC hack was an inside job. Hmm, I wonder if anyone remembers that part where file metadata showed the mail dump was copied from the server to a USB drive.
No? Don't remember who Seth Rich is?
Ok, lets circle jerk to the left's favorite conspiracy theory instead.
For those not up to speed on the latest conspiracy theories, it's been alleged that the DNC hack was an inside job. One of the "facts" supporting this theory is that the files were being transferred at 22.7 MB/s (based on file timestamps) faster than what could reasonably be expected over a standard internet connection at the time. However, it completely ignores the possibilities that there was fast internet available at the time, the ability to download multiple files to multiple computers (i.e. like a botnet), and the possibility that the files were downloaded to one computer, copied to a USB, then copied to another computer for upload. In other words, this "fact" doesn't prove anything.
In fact, since the release of this theory, a number of the original "authors" (which include former NSA experts) have since backtracked...
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How about a gas-powered car called the Volt?
Design patents are always interesting, though, since Juries decide if it looks close enough to be violating the patent.
TFA's picture comparison is... well, dubious. If you ask me, the Nikola One looks a lot more like the bastard child of a Mistubishi Fuso and a Volvo Semi truck.
Nikola's model definitely looks more like Thor Trucks' model.
Honestly, I think the lawsuit is primarily to get PR. I had no idea they existed until today, so they've succeeded.
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Granted, my breadth of knowledge in various motor industries may be lacking but ... Nikola motors being confused with Tesla ... in general, is a far stretch.
Is 'Tesla Motors', even a trademarked or copyrighted name?
I'll presume 'Nikola Motors' is.
Despite if both are, negative outcomes yet to occur, from 'Tesla' products, being attributed to separate entity, is a broad claim, from patent infringement.
I can't see this going far on that basis.
There may, may not be merit in the individual patent claims, but like everything else, they need to run their course.
And hopefully, not anywhere near East Texas!
This Electrek article show prior art for wrap-around windows and mid entry door. Check the comments and you'll find many others, such as the Volvo Supertruck concept from 2014. The Nikola cab looks way closer to that Volvo than the Tesla cab does to the Nikola.
Fuselage design is just what you get when you stick a semi in a windtunnel and take things one step beyond conventional models. Every 'advanced concept' truck looks like this. And the two designs don't look all that similar beyond the outer mold line.
Wraparound windshield: meh. The idea is old (look at current Scanias for instance), it's just that they usually have the doors further forward.
Which leaves us with the only innovation: the mid-entry door. I don't see truckers enjoying this one, esp. if you're working short haul you don't want to get up, then shuffle a winding path toward the exit. You want the door to be next to the seat.
Hey you, stop trying to introduce solid facts into my lame attempt at a weak joke.
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And then patent a 3000 mile long extension cord
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Metal hydride storage. That has been solved for over a decade.
Thomas (english muffins) is suing Edison.
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Nikola makes things with their patents. Patent trolls don't.
You are clearly wrong. An understandable case of ignorance, arrogance, or stupidity.
Nikola's not using metal tanks. This 2018. The tanks are carbon fiber, with a polymer lining (not sure what the composition of that is), they contain pressurized, not liquid H2 and they operate at 10K PSI. The fact that we don't need massive metal tanks anymore is one of the things that makes their product possible.
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Could have also been zipped before transfer, the time stamps are just how long it took to unzip and write the files. Seriously, that was a conspiracy theory? Lame...
If aspects of a design affect function, then it may fall under patent Territory.
The truck design is probably an aspect in its function, Aerodynamics, Different placements due to using Motors vs an Engine....
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Nikola's not using hydrides.
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Didn't GM rename that car to Bolt?
Nope, Bolt is the pure electric Model 3 competitor.
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Competing with them by trying to create market confusion based on their name. Trying to get people to associate them with Tesla by naming themselves Nikola. Right, like these guys should be able to sue about "causing confusion" among customers... That's just wrong.
No, they did not. They have an ICE / Hybrid called the Volt and they also sell a BEV called the Bolt. Whoever OKed those names was a real dumb shit.
I'm guessing you didn't notice that the Nikola One uses its hydrogen powered generator to charge on-board lithium ion batteries before you typed out that rant.
And then get sued by Thomas Motors!
only if their mascot is an elephant in the throes of anguish and agony.
Yeah, it's so much more plausible that some custom zip tool that doesn't conserve timestamps was created specifically to unzip these files. Unless you can name one commonly used unzip tool which ignores timestamps by default?
Of course they run on AC - otherwise they'd need brushes. But it's not the kind of AC power that Nikola Tesla had to deal with (fixed frequency, sine wave). In fact, if you are presented with Nikola Tesla's AC and you want to control a brushless motor in the same way that Tesla (the company) is, your first step will be to rectify it to DC.
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Not as confusing as the Spark being gasoline powered. A reasonable person would expect it to follow in the footsteps of the other electrically-named cars.
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Nikola Tesla invented alternating electrical current.
No, Nikola Tesla did not invent alternating electrical current. What he invented was the supply system (three-phase, high-voltage step-up/step-down, etc.), alternating-current, induction motors and improved alternating-current generators. These inventions made the already-known alternating-current viable for creation, distribution and utilization.
I don't agree. The Tesla vehicles have quite a bit of novel technology.
To the best of my knowledge they were the first auto maker to mass market:
+ the combination of lithium ion batteries and supercapacitors for their energy storage strategy
+ rely heavily on frequent over the air software updates to effect continuous improvement
+ sell directly to consumers with a more eCommerce centric model
+ a business model that generates a demand for an all electric vehicle that far outstrips production capacity
The list goes on and on.
You don't have to be a fan boy to realize that anybody who thinks Tesla is not innovative is either ill informed or a misinformation spewing bot trying to protect the last gasp of the climate destructive fossil fuel industry.
Greed is the root of all evil.
An understandable case of ignorance, arrogance, or stupidity.
An obvious example of an Elon Musk shill. They're all over /.
I'd never heard of Nikola Motors until now.
Someone once told me there's no such thing as bad publicity.
Usually it's politicians who pull this trick by grandstanding on some "issue"
Who did they "poach"? The one employee who knows how to draw a truck?
If you read the Electrek article you'll see designs for similar alternative fuel trucks going back years or decades.
Tesla has at least 2 working trucks and they've been seen hundreds of miles away from the factories, running freight between Sparks & Fremont, broken down by the side of the road or plugged into a SuperCharger.
What does Nikola have to show after all these years?
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And similar to this concept truck by MAN: http://blackandgold.com/ee/507... Which seems to pre-date the Nikola design by 4 years.
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Exactly. This is not a case of a patent troll. In this case, there is a company actually working on something, and Tesla has been poaching their employees. From the article:
Nikola unveiled its hydrogen-powered semi in December 2016. Elon Musk first showed off the Tesla Semi last December. Once you start looking at the drawings in Nikola's patents, or compare photos of concept vehicles, you'll see that there are some similarities between the trucks. Nikola also alleges that Tesla reached out to poach an employee and doesn't hold any patents for its truck design compared to Nikola's half-dozen.
This is not a patent troll. This is a company who is competing with Tesla.
And I'm not saying that they are right and will win the case.
Most trucks look more or less the same. There is no truck out there that doesn't share "some similarities" with another.
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Another non-journalist who can't understand invention versus discovery.
Don't even get me started on the motherfucking Fusion... what a letdown
Tesla's is based off a Storm Trooper and the Nikola one was based off a Cylon. See 2 completely different designs.
We have better fuel economy because no one else is allowed to have a windshield anymore..... ...and my 70's Hot Wheel trucks have 'wrap-around' windshields....
You want to make an electric truck that is aerodynamic and has good driver viability, chances are it is going to be very similar to any other truck that has been designed with the same goals in mind.
http://image.trucktrend.com/f/...
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First picture in the June 2016 article looks a lot like both Tesla & Nikola's trucks, when it showed up in 2012:
'This “aerodynamically optimized road train” concept truck from MAN and Krone, both prominent vehicle builders in Europe, was showcased at the 2012 IAA commercial truck show in Hanover, Germany.'
http://www.truckinginfo.com/channel/fuel-smarts/article/story/2016/06/the-future-of-fuel-economy.aspx
Scroll down further and see Peterbuilt's Walmart version.
When you are talking about vehicles getting 7-10 mpg, driving 50k+ miles a year, any and all savings are big.
During the earnings call today Musk noted that transportation companies don't make decisions on purchasing semi's on how they look (or if they have wrap-around windshields). He also felt it was pretty ironic that a company with the name Nikola was suing Tesla.
Reading between the lines it sounds like even if Tesla had to modify its design it wouldn't have a material effect on their semi business because their customers don't actually care how they look. They are entirely coin operated.
I am not interested in articles about life extension advancements.
No word on the amazing coincidence of a vehicle manufacturing company called "Nicola" picking that name because of it's conspicuous proximity to the name "Tesla"? Not a troll my ass.
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
Google: Con-Edison.
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
That's funny right there!
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
Just to confuse the hell out of everyone, someone needs to start an AC-powered car company called Edison.
To add extra confusion, I just started an air conditioner company called Thomas.
If your electric car is making sparks, there's probably a problem. Now spark plugs in an ICE vehicle, on the other hand ...
I seem to recall hearing it’s a variant of a frequently used marketing con: do whatever you have to do to attach your name to a competitor’s, in order to get publicity.
For example, renaming your company to be the first name of Nikola Tesla, and then suing the familiar “Tesla” motor company for patent infringement.
Just let the news media gobble it up, drop the lawsuit, and pat yourself on the back for saving a few million dollars in advertising.
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The CEO of Nikola, a Mr Shorten Cologne, was not available for comment.
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Nikola Tesla invented alternating electrical current.
No, he didn't. It predated him by a while... what he invented was a practical and brushless (IIRC) motor/generator for alternating current. Prior to his invention, AC was used for the only purpose it could be put, by and large, lighting. (Power pushed through arc lamps.) Probably would have been used for heating as well, if not for the fact that at the time, heating was generally done by burning fuel, so there probably weren't a lot of electric heaters. Prior to this, alternating current was produced in some way, I imagine by reconfiguring a DC generator by manipulating the commutator, or perhaps removing it altogether. BUT there was no way to take the AC power thus generated, and turn it back into motion, which is why it was only used by few, since there was nothing you could do with it but light a place, and then of course it had the advantage of being able to be pushed long distances, but if there's nothing for you to do with it when it gets there, what's the point? At least that's what I'm given to understand about that. But to pretend he "invented" AC current is to misrepresent history of electrical invention and discovery. He invented a great number of things, radio remote control, (and all RC devices descended therefrom,) radio astronomy, (by accident, as I understand it,) and a great many other things, so this is no knock on him, or his inventiveness, but assertions like that take credence away from the rest of the story.
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They're two different products. (I owned one, so I know whereof I speak, or rather, type.) The Bolt is a purely electric vehicle. The Volt is an extended range electric. The Bolt, as far as I know, having never owned one, is a competitor of the Nisan Leaf, having a sizable range on electric power, after which it turns into a giant, extremely heavy doorstop or paperweight, until recharged again. The Volt, by contrast, is a much shorter-range electric vehicle, designed to bridge the gap between full gasoline and full electric vehicles, by incorporating a small, (1.4L, or thereabouts,) gasoline-powered generator to maintain the battery, similar to how a hybrid works. The difference between the Volt and a hybrid though, is that a hybrid uses battery storage and an electric motor to assist and supplement a gasoline engine. The Volt is designed to run exclusively on battery power, and when the battery gets low enough, the engine kicks in to top it off. In a hybrid, there is a direct, mechanical connection between the gasoline engine and the wheels, (direct in the sense that it's connected in the same way as a conventional gasoline powered vehicle,) while in the Volt, there's none.
That's how it can get away with having the engine be as small as it is, since the only thing hooked to the engine is a generator that keeps the battery from dropping below what is labeled "E" (empty) on the dashboard, so it isn't constrained when on to a gearbox. When the engine cuts on, it generally runs at whatever speed is most energy efficient, without regard to throttle position. The Volt also had a "Mountain" mode, which would up the amount of battery life deemed to be empty, to ensure the battery pack would have enough power stored for in the event the car was being driven in hilly or mountainous terrain. (This is also the only way to make the thing recharge itself beyond empty, since otherwise it would refuse to do so.)
It is my understanding that more recent models have additional range on electric power, but I think all they really did was reduce the amount of reserve the onboard controller had to keep before cutting in the engine. (The battery never reaches zero unless, I suppose, you let the engine burn through all its gasoline, and try to keep driving, then it would probably go through its reserve, until it runs completely out. I never let it do this, for the obvious reason that I didn't want to get stranded, and am unsure what would happen if the engine actually were permitted to run dry. Do modern engines self-prime? I do not know and didn't want to find out the hard way. I have since sold it, so I'll probably never know.) The one I had was a few model years back, when the range was only given as 38 miles, and that's what I generally got. Combined with the engine that automatically cuts in, (or on command using the "Hold" mode, which generally prevents the amount of electric charge dropping from wherever it happens to be at the time the mode is selected,) this gives a fully charged, and fully fueled Volt from that year, (2015 I think, though I could be off by one,) of over 250 miles, with the big downside that it required more expensive premium (93 octane recommended, IIRC) fuel, which more recent ones do not, as I understand it. It was kind of a fun, if small car, though nearly as heavy as a pickup truck, thanks to the massive battery pack that sat below what otherwise would be a transmission hump, and the rear seats. I know this sounds like an ad for the Volt, but... it's not. I traded it in for a pickup truck, which cost about 8000 dollars less, and gives me a much longer range. I do miss going weeks of city driving, (thanks to the AC charger it came with, plugged into the socket that ran my garage door opener,) without putting a drop of gas in it, and the ability to cruise nearly silently. But I don't miss it being so small that it was almost useless if I wanted to transport anything bigger than a couple of modest size suitcases.
I honestly have no idea why GM didn't elect
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You also have the Jaguar e-pace, which isn't e-powered; that's i-pace.
Conversely if a Nikola truck goes up in smoke I doubt anyone will confuse it with a Tesla truck.
Aside from that, anyone who has paid attention to trucks, or played truck sim games knows that they're really a product of function over form - the cab is over the engine or behind it. Trucks are designed to largely interchange so vehicles can hitch to and haul different loads.
And there we have it: Prior art from at least 2007. Streamlined fuselage, wrap around windshield and mid cab door.
Except that WikiLeaks has also stated and never changed their story that they got the emails from a DNC insider, not Russians. Minor detail there. And why would WikiLeaks insist on sticking with their story? They don't like Russia and would love to be able to point fingers to them.
Capitalism aside I hope these companies came into existence in order to try and solve the worlds dependency on fossil fuels and usher in a new era of using renewables. Petty fighting does nothing to solve these issues and only increases the barrier of entry to those whose conscience is to make the world a better place.
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Yeah, it's a terrible name for a terrible car. It's like calling one the "squeak".
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I've heard of Tesla Motors, but never heard of Nikola Motors. Good thing the brought this suit or I would never have known they existed.
Is it all right if I get a little nervous at the thought of a car with gas pressurized to 10K PSI getting into an accident near me?
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It's time for you to open your eyes and look at the evidence. Learning a little basic science wouldn't hurt, either.
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Somebody actually trusts Wikileaks? Besides, Russia isn't what Assange has said he's hiding from in his incarceration in the Ecuadorian embassy.
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If its any consolation, I caught the irony
Perfectly reasonable concern, but those tanks don't fail the way that steel tanks do. You can find videos of their failure modes.
-jcr
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That's not what patent trolling is, but that story post *is* what trolling is.
Depends on what time stamps you're talking about and how the files were transferred. There are many methods of transferring files that will preserve time stamps; depending on the OS and file system, not all time stamps are preserved, or time stamps on enclosing folders might leak more information than the files themselves. I was assuming that the last modified time was being preserved on files, but not necessarily other time stamps. You'd get such behavior if you used cpio to copy the files but not the directory information, for example.