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Christopher Nolan Returns Kubrick Sci-Fi Masterpiece '2001: A Space Odyssey' To Its Original Glory (latimes.com)

LA Times' Kenneth Turan traces Christopher Nolan's meticulous restoration of Kubrick's masterpiece to its 70-mm glory: Christopher Nolan wants to show me something interesting. Something beautiful and exceptional, something that changed his life when he was a boy. It's also something that Nolan, one of the most accomplished and successful of contemporary filmmakers, has persuaded Warner Bros. to share with the world both at the upcoming Cannes Film Festival and then in theaters nationwide, but in a way that boldly deviates from standard practice.

For what is being cued up in a small, hidden-away screening room in an unmarked building in Burbank is a brand new 70-mm reel of film of one of the most significant and influential motion pictures ever made, Stanley Kubrick's 1968 science-fiction epic "2001: A Space Odyssey." Yes, you read that right. Not a digital anything, an actual reel of film that was for all intents and purposes identical to the one Nolan saw as a child and Kubrick himself would have looked at when the film was new half a century ago.

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  1. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks much better on vinyl.

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  2. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by Monkey-Wrench-Inc · · Score: 1

    It looks much better on vinyl.

    It's really obscure, you've probably never heard/seen it before...

  3. Great by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now where's the 4K torrent of that beauty?

    1. Re:Great by darkain · · Score: 2

      Why settle for less? This generation is all about 8k now! Get with the times n00b.

    2. Re:Great by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      I mean to be honest you would need an 8k scan of a 70mm to perfectly capture everything. But even then according Nolan it doesn't matter how good the scan is...

      you lose a tremendous amount of information I call emotional information.

      *gag*. I'm not sure where on the color spectrum "emotional information" lives but apparently it can't be scanned or digitally projected.

    3. Re:Great by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      *gag*. I'm not sure where on the color spectrum "emotional information" lives

      Green which is probably why you gagged.

    4. Re:Great by Immerman · · Score: 1

      There is legitimate information lost when going digital - both in spatial information density (film doesn't have discrete pixels), and in color spectrum density (film doesn't introduce any quantization noise).

      It's also quite possible the film covers a different color space than your display and/or video format, in which case it can capture many colors your screen is completely incapable of displaying, and that your video format is incapable of encoding. In fact RGB, regardless of quality, is physically incapable of accurately capturing the complete human visual experience - it's a rough approximation at best, generated by sampling through three different band-pass filters selected to approximately match those of the average human eye - and a average *anything* is actually extremely rare.

      Of course you've got plenty of analog noise that's not present in a digital recording - but as with vinyl versus CD, there's a mountain of information discarded by the digital format. Whether the loss of noise is outweighed by the loss of information is very much a personal call.

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    5. Re:Great by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

      film doesn't have discrete pixels), and in color spectrum density (film doesn't introduce any quantization noise).

      Film has grain, which has similar effects as discrete pixels, except that the grains are round and spread randomly.

      three different band-pass filters selected to approximately match those of the average human eye

      Not really. The band pass filters are selected to cover the visible spectrum in 3, more or less, equal parts. The receptors in a human eye are not spread out evenly. We have a blue cone on one side of the spectrum, and then two overlapping yellow-green/yellow-red cones on the other side. The "red" cones also have some sensitivity for extreme blue (that's why that appears as purple).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    6. Re:Great by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Informative
      There is no media that recreates the full range of color vision. The colors that can be displayed are the color gamut.

      There is noise in both electronic recording and analog recording. Film has grain and mechanical uncertainly from the camera and the projector. This is due to physical positioning uncertainty when a frame is exposed or projected (or scanned). The perfs (square holes) that hold the film in place have tolerances and so do the mechanics of the film gate, which holds the film in place. No two sequential frames are in the exact same location.

      Electronic image sensors have intrinsic noise as do electronic projectors. Both also have a quantized grid that limits the spacial resolution. Film also has grain characteristics that limit spacial resolution.

      From a practical standpoint, current 4K camera and display technology are very similar to the best motion picture film standards. The electronic production process has no mechanical position variability like film and it is possible to track color from the camera source to the projector, so color reproduction can be better then film. The gamut of electronic projection is greater then any film stock, although film can record subtle shades that seem to be missing in electronic recording and projection.

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    7. Re:Great by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Oh absolutely - my intended point was that analog does things differently, and thus has different *kinds* of information loss, even at the same overall quality (assuming some way to objectively measure such a thing) . There is therefore an valid, objective basis for claiming a qualitative difference in the watching experience, even if you don't understand the science behind it.

      On to a technical discussion -

      Could you refer me to some source on the RGB frequency distribution choice? Google is being uncooperative, and if true it seems like an *exceptionally* stupid decision - if you're going to attempt a three-frequency approximation of the n-dimensional visual color space it makes sense to use the three colors your intended audience has sensors to detect. (I'm sure our video colors look wildly inaccurate to an octopus that sees in 11-axis color) Of course the standard was quite likely established by engineers - a group well know for their appreciation of technical elegance over "soft" human experience, so I'd be willing to believe it.

      As for grain versus pixels - there are at least two important difference between the limitations of the two, especially in video. Lets say you take two "identical" photos, one digital, and one film, with an equal number of pixels and grains. The digital one will have a very obvious (and unnatural) rectilinear grid imposed upon it, making for a qualitatively different (and slightly jarring) viewing experience - at the most obvious you don't get extended "jaggies" on edges in film. Grains also bleed together smoothly, essentially giving you nigh-infinite-quality "full screen anti-aliasing" - though a DLP projector utilizing curved micro-mirrors can deliver a very similar "pixel-free" effect.

      The second big effect is strictly relevant to video - with digital any point on the screen corresponds to exactly one pixel (or some fixed blending function of adjacent pixels, in the case of curved-DLP). With film in contrast, thanks to that random distribution of grains, a single point on the screen corresponds to a different sampling weight on every frame - some frames it will be nearly centered on a grain and very accurately sampled, others it will lie nearly between grains, and contribute almost nothing to the surrounding grain colors. When the frames are played back fast enough for the brain to blend them together, the result is a higher effective resolution than is present in any single frame.

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  4. Too Bad by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Too bad the movie sucks. It's one of the most overrated movies of all time. It's slow, boring, and non-sensical.

    It's a Kubric film, so if you turn up the volume you can hear him softly masturbating throughout each long, drawn out scene.
    It's based on Clarke's work, so you may as well turn it off half way through and make up your own ending. You'll get a better result than Clarke, and you'll get it much sooner.

    Oh, look! Here come the zealots to tell me how I'm too stupid to "get" it, how the scenes at the end make sense if you take acid while lobotomizing yourself, and how the grand imagery and fairly accurate depictions of space somehow make a turd into a diamond. Nope, sorry.

    Hey Kubrick! Are you ever gonna get around to writing the second half of Full Metal Jacket? I like what I saw, but the projectionist swapped in a different film halfway through. Strangely, this mistake has been repeated on every video/DVD/etc. release I've seen so far. If you need some help finishing, maybe give John Kricfalusi a call, he's known for timely work!

    1. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This.
      I don't get the hype around that movie. I couldn't even sit through half of it.

    2. Re:Too Bad by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      >Hey Kubrick! Are you ever gonna get around to writing the second half of Full Metal Jacket?
      Never?

    3. Re:Too Bad by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, but I find it one of the greatest movies ever made. It's one I often watch again. Except for the 20 min color montage toward the end, I fast forward through that. The movie uses perspectives that aren't often used in motion pictures any more, and rarely in the past. It works to put you into the perspective of the subject, and you only know what he knows. It doesn't explain the situation to you, you have to experience it and figure it out just as the subject does, too. People don't seem to like movies that make you think, they want everything handed to them so they can sit there like a lump.

    4. Re:Too Bad by jlv · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, based upon Clarke's earlier work. But not based upon is book of the same name (which was developed in parallel and came out after the movie premiered).
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    5. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey Kubrick! Are you ever gonna get around to writing the second half of Full Metal Jacket?

      To get that script you'll need the sufficiently advanced technology that can only be understood by taking acid while lobotomizing yourself while listening some Ligeti very loud, of course.

    6. Re:Too Bad by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I highly would recommend Meditation and/or Fishing to help with your monkey mind -- constantly jumping from thought to thought without taking a moment to analyze where the thought came from; unable to enjoy the moment for what it is.

    7. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      ^ Exactly.

      I rewatch 2001 every 10 years. I almost always find some new interpretation or concept to think about. It is a very deep movie, but it doesn't hold your hand like most modern films do nor, like parent poster said, tell you what to think.

      It's a complex allegory about the relationship of mankind to the tools we create, and it is probably more applicable to today's world than the 1960's world in which it was created. I'd put it in the top 5 movies of all time, of any genre, and any era.

      I understand it's not for everyone, and in particular modern ADHD people weaned on constant hyper-stimulation rather than using their own minds and imaginations often do not enjoy it. That does not change its greatness.

    8. Re:Too Bad by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too bad the movie sucks. It's one of the most overrated movies of all time. It's slow, boring, and non-sensical.

      I enjoy the film, but agree that these are totally valid critiques. A lot is open to interpretation, the ending especially so.

      In defense of the slow and boring. That's how space travel would be. Clarke and Kubrick were striving to be realistic. This movie is a stark contrast to the shoot-em-up action of most science fiction movies. However, mixing that realism with its heavy metaphors was a confusing choice.

      Although I think it's still incredible to this day, it should also be noted this was 1968. 2001 was revolutionary in its day. Not as much now. (I give the Beatles the same handicap. I don't think most of their music stands the test of time, but it was revolutionary in its day. Go ahead, flame me)

      Hey Kubrick! Are you ever gonna get around to writing the second half of Full Metal Jacket? I like what I saw, but the projectionist swapped in a different film halfway through. Strangely, this mistake has been repeated on every video/DVD/etc. release I've seen so far. If you need some help finishing, maybe give John Kricfalusi a call, he's known for timely work!

      Oh, yeah. There are is a major continuity issue with Full Metal Jacket. It feels like two separate movies, with the first being more enjoyable. I argue that it was likely done on purpose, to mark the contrast between training and actual war.

      Kubrick was the kind of director that was in it for the art, like it or not. A lot of directors crank out film after film to keep a steady paycheck. He was slow and methodical, until it was the way he wanted it. (although he did edit 2001 after the first screening due to complaints similar to yours)

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    9. Re:Too Bad by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh, look! Here come the zealots to tell me

      We're not telling you anything. We'll just quote you without context:

      I'm too stupid to "get" it

    10. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a complex allegory

      No it's not.

      It's a boring, meandering story that doesn't make sense. The phrases "it's deep" and "you just don't get it" are always the first clue that something isn't very good.

    11. Re: Too Bad by Monster_user · · Score: 1, Insightful

      2001: A Space Odyssey doesn't provide much to think about anymore either. Movie audiences have typically been exposed to a significant portion of the contents of 2001, or even better rendentions. Half the movie is concepts which evolved into much more practical and fully formed things which are common today, be they ideas, narrative constructs (plots/universe building), or technologies.

      The universe which 2001 builds is a rather small one compared to the worlds most audiences are used to these days, and it shrinks down to practically nothing at the end. It isn't rich and detailed, it is bland and uninteresting. There isn't anything to imagine which requires 2001 as a source material, there is nothing unique to 2001 anymore.

      Finally, the "scientific" notions, concepts, and ideas, are not just old hat, they are rather imprecise and inaccurate. As often as that is the case, 2001 gives the impression of a higher quality, more "high brow" work, and its failings in scientific areas are distracting, especially when there is so little else to focus on.

    12. Re:Too Bad by epine · · Score: 2

      Hey Kubrick! Are you ever gonna get around to writing the second half of Full Metal Jacket?

      People tend to rate sex highly, until they try heroine.

      Sapolsky's book from last year, Behave, has a lot of material on how our dopaminic system rescales itself to available stimulus. The book is 800 pages long, and every page so far is dense with neuroanatomy. Unbelievably good, but I'm guessing it's not sexconker's preferred Flaming Doctor Pepper bomb shot.

      For the record, the first time I read Lord of the Rings (all three volumes, one weekend, age 13) I experienced intense annoyance whenever Tolkien abandoned one narrative line to rejoin some other fellowship splinter group.

      By the time I got to Full Metal Jacket I had mostly outgrown this, though it still annoyed me for ten full minutes. Basically, "not now Helga, can't you see I'm still banging your sister?"

      Bad, Kubrick, bad.

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      Kubrick rarely hesitates to bend time in the other direction, either.

      The litmus test for true Kubrick lovers is Barry Lyndon.

      John Hofsess: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love 'Barry Lyndon' — 1976

      Like many other critics and filmgoers, I have grown so accustomed to films based on literary conventions and familiar structures, that to see a film which stretches one's awareness of what can be achieved in the medium seems prickly and puzzling.

      Kubrick's films have a way—at least with some people—of working on in the mind, of passing through all the stages from irritation to exhilaration.

      And curiously enough—for critics are supposed to be the most progressive an perceptive of filmgoers—it is the general public in this case, unencumbered by literary prejudices, that has done most of the leading in making 2001 and A Clockwork Orange not just films of immense popularity but of steadily growing stature.

      An interview with Michel Ciment — 1982

      In the scene that you're referring to, the voice-over works as an ironic counterpoint to what you see portrayed by the actors on the screen. This is only a minor sequence in the story and has to be presented with economy. Barry is tender and romantic with the girl but all he really wants is to get her into bed. The girl is lonely and Barry is attractive and attentive.

      If you think about it, it isn't likely that he is the only soldier she has brought home while her husband has been away to the wars. You could have had Barry give signals to the audience, through his performance, indicating that he is really insincere and opportunistic, but this would be unreal. When we try to deceive we are as convincing as we can be, aren't we?

      No wink. Blink and you miss it.

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      At this point, I also want to give a shout out to another very long film, La Belle Noiseuse (1991), with the 237-minute run time.

      The film holds an approval rating of 100% on review aggregator site Rotten Tomatoes.

      How does such a stupidly long movie earn a 100% approval rating? Not a single Michael Bay fan attended this movie by accident. French title, and not a single showing with a start time after 18:30.

      Roger Ebert

      She understands, puts it on, disrobes in front of him, and will be entirely nude for at least at hour in this film. Yes, at first we observe Emmanuelle Beart as a woman. Then we see her as a model. Slowly we come to see her as Frenhofer wants to: The woman inside, the essence, the being

    13. Re:Too Bad by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I never said it was an adaptation of the book. Clarke and Kubrick worked alongside each other on that shit.

      The book was being written at the same time the film was being made. Ultimately Clarke was the one writing both. Kubrick's movie is based on Clarke's writing, and that writing was also the basis of the book which released after the movie, I believe. Clarke continued the series (and it's all awful), Kubrick did not.

    14. Re:Too Bad by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I like Lawrence of Arabia just fine. I mean, it's got an actual story for one, and it looks amazing. When you strip away all the film snob bullshit it stands head and shoulders above the crap that is 2001.
      I can't tell you the last time I sat and watched it, and I don't know that I ever will again, but it's got my approval.

      As for Tropic Thunder, that movie has the opposite problem. The first half is total suck. The phony previews at the very beginning are good, but they should've cut off 20-30 minutes from the front half and given us more time in the jungle after shit went down or just more psycho Tom Cruise. Ben Stiller being a retarded, sad sack of shit gets enough play in the second half. - we don't need 3 barrels of it in the first half to set up the plot.

    15. Re:Too Bad by gumpish · · Score: 1

      Stick to capeshit and Star Wars.

    16. Re:Too Bad by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 2

      People don't seem to like movies that make you think, they want everything handed to them so they can sit there like a lump.

      This reminds me of Cast Away which I thought was a decent go of making the audience think (by not really having much of a script). Then at the end they go and ruin it by continuing past the rescue scene, and have him go and explain everything for all the stupid people.

    17. Re:Too Bad by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 2

      Although I think it's still incredible to this day, it should also be noted this was 1968. 2001 was revolutionary in its day. Not as much now. (I give the Beatles the same handicap. I don't think most of their music stands the test of time, but it was revolutionary in its day. Go ahead, flame me)

      Same here. There is nothing from the 60's that even comes close to 2001 for the story telling. The pace was low, but it's supposed to be. And I agree with the Beatles comment too. Musically they weren't brilliant, but for their time the songwriting was phenomenal, and luckily expert musicianship wasn't really a thing until the 70's.

    18. Re:Too Bad by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
      Go back to watching Power Rangers you moron. It's obviously your type of entertainment.

      I suggest that you stay where your are in your parent's basement until he finishes the Fill Metal Jacket sequel. (Kubrick died in 1999.)

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    19. Re:Too Bad by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I find it one of the greatest movies ever made. It's one I often watch again. Except for the 20 min color montage toward the end, I fast forward through that.

      How much do you skip from lesser films then? Let me guess, "Back To The Future was ok, except for the bit after the opening credits, I fast forward through that".

      People don't seem to like movies that make you think

      Films that make you think are commercially successful if they're good films. Films that bore you senseless make you think, "When is this tedious shit going to finish" and you fast forward through 20 minutes towards the end.

      Oh, wait.

    20. Re:Too Bad by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There is nothing from the 60's that even comes close to 2001 for the story telling.

      Look, I can understand you not liking Laurence of Arabia, Spartacus, Dr Strangelove, Zulu, Belle de Jour, Bonnie and Clyde, "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", Planet of the Apes, Once Upon a Time in the West, The Italian Job and "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"

      However every single one of them tells a story far better than 2001, and several of them are far better cinema too.

    21. Re:Too Bad by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      I was _very_ glad that I'd already read the book. I was the only one, it appears, in the Monterey movie theater who had a clue as to what was going on, so many people from 2-3 rows and seats around kept asking me "What's going on now?"

      Heh, only time I found myself useful during a movie.

    22. Re:Too Bad by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      There is nothing from the 60's that even comes close to 2001 for the story telling.

      Look, I can understand you not liking Laurence of Arabia, Spartacus, Dr Strangelove, Zulu, Belle de Jour, Bonnie and Clyde, "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", Planet of the Apes, Once Upon a Time in the West, The Italian Job and "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"

      However every single one of them tells a story far better than 2001, and several of them are far better cinema too.

      Sorry I meant Sci-fi storytelling. You are right, I've seen most of those movies and they are great, but anything sci-fi of that era was mostly spaghetti.

    23. Re:Too Bad by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

      Das Boot succeeded in the same format to convey tedium alongside terror: use a very long edit.

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  5. Re:Actually... by ChoGGi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it was in Super Panavision 70, you could fangle SP70 to show on Cinerama projectors, but it wasn't filmed with a triple camera setup.

  6. Timeless film by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2001 still most compelling sci-fi movie ever made. Haters can't stand the long cut scenes etc., but then go watch a (so fake its painful to watch) CGI Midtown fall down in 'new' way for Avengers 57 or whatever.

    1. Re:Timeless film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure it's that 'timeless'. So much stuff done in the 60s and 70s suffers from a design aesthetic which is ... well, ugly, because it was so period specific.

      I've watched 2001 several times, and while I think it's a good film, I'm not sure I'd say it's the most compelling sci-fi film ever made.

      Parts of it just drag on, and while it's probably the most faithful realism for space flight, it still makes for some very long scenes of "OK, nothing is really happening here" ... followed by sudden loud noises that are a little jarring.

      but then go watch a (so fake its painful to watch) CGI Midtown fall down in 'new' way for Avengers 57 or whatever.

      Well, with the current Avengers nipping on the heels of generating a billion dollars in just over a week ... you pretty much have to recognise that it's clearly what people want.

      For people for whom special effects and explosions have been the norm in film for most of their lives, if you released 2001 right now, it would be an utter flop in the box office. Because it would truly bore the shit out of today's audiences.

    2. Re:Timeless film by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, with the current Avengers nipping on the heels of generating a billion dollars in just over a week ... you pretty much have to recognise that it's clearly what people want.

      Absolutely that tripe is what people want. Along with Big Macs and another report on Kendall Jenner's choice of latte on Tuesdays. Mass-market crap is just that. I will say this though, in 50 years nobody is going to talk about Infinity Blade or Kendall Jenner (jury's out on Big Macs) as they discuss the 100th anniversary of this film.

    3. Re:Timeless film by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, feel free to sit around with your pipe and smoking jacket doing the kinds of things one does when wearing a smoking jacket ... and discuss in detail how HAL is a metaphor for human suffering an inequity and that the docking scene is representational of intercourse ... me, I'll take a good Avengers film any day.

      I don't try reading between the lines (seeing between the frames?) on the movie. Meh. What I like about the movie is its a visual spectacle that makes one think. It is a movie that makes limitations work. A good example is the monolith. Supposed to be alien probe. Bowman supposed to be at alien planet/place at the end. And there was lots of talk about what the aliens should be like, look like, and so forth. It was none other than Carl Sagan's idea to avoid presenting the aliens or their tech in anything but the most generalized abstraction. Throw the superhero crew on that problem today, and you'd end up with zillion-polygon slime critter rendered through super-dark blue alpha filter in post production that would look laughably fake in two years.

      Another thing is the destination planet. They picked Jupiter instead of Saturn (like in the book) because Saturn was a fuzzy blob with rings back then, and nothing else. There had never been a close-up photo of Jupiter even when 2001 was made. Nobody had ever seen the Jovian moons or even had good idea on what color they were. And yet there's never been a better depiction and sense of being in deep space around Jupiter than that film. No way around it, that is impressive.

    4. Re:Timeless film by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 1

      Mindless crap isn't genre-specific, it is something that affects and maligns every genre. Look at supposedly low-brow plebeian popcorn culture. Like Star Wars. There is good (Episode V) and there is mindless crap (Episode I). Same with Trek (Episode 1 vis Episode IV). Old School isn't anything classy, but man is it funny. Deadpool is a modern example of good superhero movie. Richard Donner Supermans are classics. So is very first Burton Batman, or the Nolan reboots. They're out there. Not judging by genre here. And none of that changes fact 2001 is best sci-fi movie ever made.

    5. Re:Timeless film by neoRUR · · Score: 1

      I know some people will find it slow and boring, but you have to remember when it came out.

      There was no Internet, computers, handheld phones, no connection to anyone in the world.

        I was a kid when I saw it, in re-runs and it was something that has stuck with me all my life, along with Blade Runner and Laurence of Arabia.
      They are all really Epic movies with Epic depth.

      To me it's about the AI, the silence and the long parts that let you think and feel the movie.
      Maybe when your a kid and watch it and you have a specific personality then you can feel it.

      You can see some of that in Nolan's movies, but very few movies do that today.

      I am glad he is doing that and for the movies he does make, that are all paradoxes.

    6. Re: Timeless film by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      There was no Internet, computers, handheld phones, no connection to anyone in the world.

      In 1968 if you wanted a phone in a particular room, as opposed to the main phone usually a wall phone in the kitchen, you had to make an appointment to have somebody from the phone company come to your house and install an 'extension' phone. Phones were connected to the network with screw terminals under a screwed down cover. From the user's point of view, they were permanently attached to the wall.

      For 99% of everyone, nobody really knew anybody, ever, in person, who had appeared on television. It was a big-deal novelty to see oneself on television. Camera/screen setups were the kind of thing that would draw a lot of attention at a fair or in a museum.

      Things have changed a lot.

    7. Re:Timeless film by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      me, I'll take a good Avengers film any day.

      Call me back when somebody makes one.
      DrabadabaTISH!

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    8. Re:Timeless film by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      I know some people will find it slow and boring, but you have to remember when it came out.

      I just finished watching one of those "top 100 movies ever made" list. More than half of those movies were older than "2001", but it was surely the slowest of them all.

    9. Re: Timeless film by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      In 1968 if you wanted a phone in a particular room, as opposed to the main phone usually a wall phone in the kitchen, you had to make an appointment to have somebody from the phone company come to your house and install an 'extension' phone.

      The house I lived in was built in 1960. It had telephone wiring installed in every room of the house, including the bathrooms, by my father, who did not work for the telephone company. When we wanted to string a line to the barn we went to Radio Shack to buy a spool of wire and an outlet (the old four-pin kind) and did it ourselves. The demarc was on the pole about 20 feet from the house, and we took care of everything on our side of it.

      There was one person who worked for "the phone company" in town. We knew him, but didn't call him to do anything but fix things we could not do ourselves, like mice chewing up the wires in the telco junction boxes down the street next to the railroad tracks. In the late 60's he retired and all of our telco repair came from the next city over -- in a different state and a different area code.

      This isn't a lot different than we have today, where I run the lines in my house, plug phones in where I want them, and the telco repair guys take no responsibility for anything past the demarc. Maybe the difference is that back then, if there was a problem, we called ONE repair service and they dealt with local and long distance issues, and today the local telco points the finger at the LD and the LD points the finger at the local office and things take a lot longer getting fixed. Oh, and the local repair threatens huge fees for a visit to the demarc if they can blame inside wiring for the issue. The local guy we knew by name and where he lived never did that.

  7. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're not watching it on a 1936 343-line 9" RCA RR-359 receiver then you're not seeing it the way Kubrick originally intended.

  8. Re:Actually... by Kiwikwi · · Score: 2

    The original was in Cinerama.

    They're not mutually exclusive: Wikipedia says:

    The less wide but still spectacular Super Panavision 70 was used to film the Cinerama presentations [...] 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), which also featured scenes shot in Todd-AO and MCS-70 [...]

    IMDb also lists the negative format as "65 mm (Eastman 50T 5251)".

    Since the film was shot and mastered in 70 mm, it seems reasonable enough to restore it to 70 mm. Unlike 3-screen Cinerama, there are actually still theaters that can project 70 mm analog.

    I might give it a pass in my local 70 mm theater though... some years ago they replaced their screen, adding a silver coating to reflect more light for digital stereoscopic 3D projection, but ever since, analog projection has suffered from noticeable "hot spotting" (not a problem with digital projection for some reason). Fortunately, unlike Nolan, I have no problems with digital projection. :-)

  9. Full comprehension by NEDHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I saw this when it first came out, as an adult and fan of SciFi. I came away secure in the knowledge that I understood the point of the movie every bit as completely as Kubrick - which was not at all. Nice visuals for the time. A plot would have been a nice touch.

  10. First time by Dusthead+Jr. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember the first time I saw 2001. I was at my grandmothers place and it was on cable. I didn't see it from the begining, I came in on the star gate scene. I was sitting there thinking WTF am I watching? I liked it. Then came the hotel scene, then the star child scene. Even eventually after watching the whole movie I still didn't get it. It wasn't until I read the book that it made any sense. When ever I read 2001 I visualize it as the movie because I can't think of anything better. I even imagine Heywood Floyd portrayed by Roy Scheider.

    1. Re:First time by Dusthead+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Well I'm talking about both. In my own visualization of the book I substitute William Sylvester, who played Floyd in 2001 with Roy Scheider, who played him in 2010. It's mostly because outside of 2001 I had never seen William Sylvester before. I had to check IMDB just to get his name as opposed to Roy who I've saw in everything from Jaws to SeaQuest.

    2. Re: First time by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I remember the first time I saw the movie 2001. It was in a theatre in Green Bay, Wisconsin in 1968.

  11. There is a plot: Also Sprach Zarathustra by mbkennel · · Score: 1

    It is mostly Nietzsche's _Also Sprach Zarathustra_, and Clarke and Kubrick knew it.

    The opening music isn't an accident.

    for what Wikipedia's worth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_Zarathustra): " More specifically, this note related to the concept of the eternal recurrence, which is, by Nietzsche's admission, the central idea of Zarathustra; this idea occurred to him by a **"pyramidal block of stone"** on the shores of Lake Silvaplana in the Upper Engadine, "

    "Another singular feature of Zarathustra, first presented in the prologue, is the designation of human beings as a transition between apes and the "Übermensch" "

    There's the plot. HAL 9000 is humanity's failure at forcing the ubermensch.

    "At any rate, it is by Zarathustra's transfiguration that he embraces eternity, that he at last ascertains "the supreme will to power".[6] " The book makes this more clear. Clarke and Kubrick agree that both co-wrote the book and film.

    Wikipedia editor: "The book embodies a number of innovative poetical and rhetorical methods of expression."

    As did the film---complex, rhetorical and unusual and non-literal.

    1. Re:There is a plot: Also Sprach Zarathustra by Hal9000_sn3 · · Score: 1

      I always suspected that HAL's issues were not with the technology, but with the humans.

    2. Re:There is a plot: Also Sprach Zarathustra by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      That HAL had a problem with the humans is made more explicit in the novels, and the fault was the humans who made it.

      In particular the HAL aboard the Discovery One was told a secret about the true nature of the mission (to find what the first monolith transmitted to) which wasn't revealed to its counterpart on Earth or most of the crew. Reasoning that humans were fallible and their presence was more likely to compromise the mission and more risky than retaining them, HAL attempted to eliminate them.

      HAL didn't consider the possibility of the real truth: the intent of the monolith was to bring humans to it.

  12. Re:what by mhkohne · · Score: 1

    When the physical film is that old, making a decent looking copy is HARD. Making a good-looking 70mm print of the thing was a LOT of work.

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  13. Most Prophetic Line in the Movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The advanced AI, daily spaceflight with established lunar colony and space hotels, none of that came to pass by 2001 (or has even yet).

    But during the video phone call to his daughter (played by Kubrick's daughter), Heywood Floyd asks her what she wants for her birthday.
    Her reply: "A Bush Baby"

    Which is exactly what the US got for a president in 2001. I shit you not.

  14. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    It actually kind of is available on vinyl. Ok, it's not really vinyl, but these discs were apparently stamped on more or less standard phonographic record manufacturing equipment. See also CED...

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  15. At least watch 2010: The year we make contact by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    I am sort of middle-ground. I do think the movie is overrated and it is one of my least favourite Kubrick movies (my favourite are Dr. Strangelove, Barry Lyndon, Clockwork Orange - probably in that order), but I can appreciate how it is ground-braking and visually (and audibly) stunning - especially in its day, but remarkably holding up. If it were not for 2 needlessly long sequences: the start with the apes, and the approaching the monolith psychedelia, as well as a much more cryptic than required and tiring ending, I bet everyone would be able to appreciate it. At least the problem with the cryptic ending can be alleviated without needing to read the book: just watch the sequel "2010: The year we make contact". It is a more mainstream movie, it doesn't try to be a masterpiece, however it explains everything that happened in 2001 and it is a decent film in its own right.
    So, not a turd, but neither the flawless diamond it is portrayed. I mean. if there are scenes that seriously bore a person like me who e.g. considers a Mussorgsky symphony exciting throughout, it should at least be considered an "uneven" or "flawed" movie, no matter how good it was in parts.
    Of course art is always a matter of taste...

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  16. Re:HAL killed them for being boring by Hal9000_sn3 · · Score: 1

    Wait, what? I don't think that is what they died for. Not that I was there or anything.

  17. How about a different Nolan/Clarke project? by weeboo0104 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I loved the camera work and cuts in Interstellar. Same with the soundtrack.
    What would it take to convince Chris Nolan to take on Clarke's Rama books and transfer to the big screen?
    Can you imagine seeing the inside of the Rama spacecraft on an IMAX screen?

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    1. Re:How about a different Nolan/Clarke project? by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine seeing the inside of the Rama spacecraft on an IMAX screen?

      You don't have to imagine, Elysium already ripped this concept off...

  18. Its provides a window into the past. by Monster_user · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Star Trek The Motion Picture tried to match the pacing. The series did not retain that slow pace. Most will agree that it is too slow.

    That said, we are on the far side of history from this film. Much of the awe and wonder is passé, we've seen it so many times before. Many of the technological advances of the film have already been surpassed in this decade.

    In addition, the artistic and ambiguous ending has already been brought closer to reality in other media, tales, and plotlines. It is more interesting now as a historical piece to give us insight into the limitations of the imaginations of previous generations.

    1. Re:Its provides a window into the past. by JohnStock · · Score: 1

      I consider Star Trek The Motion Picture to be the best 'Trek movie every made.

  19. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by mikael · · Score: 1

    That's the short length version. It was developed concurrently with the novel. They actually ended up filming two hundred times as much footage as was in the final movie.

    https://inktank.fi/17-little-k...

    "Many theater owners had observed increasing numbers of young adults attending the film, who were especially enthusiastic about watching the ‘Star Gate’ sequence under the influence of psychotropic drugs. "

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  20. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

    The approved method was to smoke a lot of reefer in the parking lot, and eat a couple of brownies. About the time the smoke was wearing off and Keir Dullea's pupils stopped dialating, the brownies were really fully kicking in for the "My God, it's full of stars" bit.
    I remember the very very first time I saw it (no brownies as yet), I was the only person in the theatre who had read the book already. I remember narrating (as best I could) "what the fuck is going on?" for the people around me.

  21. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The point is that is was specifically shot to be seen in Cinerama (for younger readers, the Imax of its day), which gave it a jaw-dropping 3D effect. Seen on an ordinary (if widescreen) cinema screen - or worse, TV - it simply loses all its impact.

  22. Nolan has a point by davide+marney · · Score: 2

    OK, I can see Nolan's point about the benefits of an analog process that captures light 1:1 by directly transferring it to a medium. But the rub is in the playback of that medium, because that always introduces flaws and errors in the recreation.

    For example, I absolutely hated going to most movie theaters 10 years ago because I was sure to run into images out of focus, color lamps misaligned, scratches in the film, stutter in the playback, limitations in sound reproduction, etc. A digital projection system produces a film that is just amazingly more stable and overall enjoyable by a factor of 10 over the old movie projection systems.

    But sure, if I could see a fresh 70mm print on a calibrated projector, that would be worth some money. It's similar to the IMAX experience. I just love the opening of Dark Knight in an IMAX theater, where the film just throws you right into an IMAX helicopter shot, bam! You can literally feel your body slump forward. That's an awesome effect.

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  23. Re:Rotten Tomatoes: 10% by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I was thinking along the lines of how some music was mixed to sound good on over AM on a cheap transistor radio (where "good" == "almost acceptable if you're stoned") but you've hit the nail on the head far better than I could. Bravo.

    P.S. That thing's huge. Is the bottom half where you store the coal?

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  24. Umm, 'idiocracy'? by lamer01 · · Score: 1

    We are at least 3/4 of the way there. In 50 years they won't even know what 2001 is/was. They may think it's a documentary.