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Researchers Say a Breathalyzer Has Flaws, Casting Doubt On Countless Convictions (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The source code behind a police breathalyzer widely used in multiple states -- and millions of drunk driving arrests -- is under fire. It's the latest case of technology and the real world colliding -- one that revolves around source code, calibration of equipment, two researchers and legal maneuvering, state law enforcement agencies, and Draeger, the breathalyzer's manufacturer. This most recent skirmish began a decade ago when Washington state police sought to replace its aging fleet of breathalyzers. When the Washington police opened solicitations, the only bidder, Draeger, a German medical technology maker, won the contract to sell its flagship device, the Alcotest 9510, across the state. But defense attorneys have long believed the breathalyzer is faulty. Jason Lantz, a Washington-based defense lawyer, enlisted a software engineer and a security researcher to examine its source code. The two experts wrote in a preliminary report that they found flaws capable of producing incorrect breath test results. The defense hailed the results as a breakthrough, believing the findings could cast doubt on countless drunk-driving prosecutions.

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  1. ...which is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They take blood now, and refusal is an automatic conviction. The breath thing is just to let them know if they need to go to the trouble of calling a phlebotomist to the scene.

    1. Re:...which is why by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      They take blood now, and refusal is an automatic conviction. The breath thing is just to let them know if they need to go to the trouble of calling a phlebotomist to the scene.

      Depends on the the laws of your state, thankfully.

      Sticking a needle into your skin by orders of the "state" is a bit invasive.

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    2. Re:...which is why by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FYI, if there's even a SHRED of doubt, always opt for the blood test. Especially considering things like mouth wash, or ketones can result in a false positive. As an added bonus, that extra time waiting for the blood draw means your BAC is decreasing.

      Thanks MADD, you co-opted the 5th amendment with your prohibition agenda.

    3. Re: ...which is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, I would ask for an extra vial be taken for independent analysis (by my lawyer).

      Don't know if you can do that, but frankly, it seems right.

    4. Re: ...which is why by reanjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not true. They simply revoke your license. You are not required to submit to any needles going in your body.

    5. Re:...which is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks MADD, you co-opted the 5th amendment with your prohibition agenda.

      You have no idea how true this is. In New Jersey, when they arrest you, they read this laminated card with a a detailed description of how and why you have no rights, why you must submit to a breathalyzer on the spot or automatically be found guilty as well as face additional (double) penalties for refusing, and how you have no right to consult with a lawyer before deciding. You are also not allowed to ask any questions or clarifications. If you have any questions, they simply repeat the card verbatim.
      In addition to the completely obvious unconstitutionality of it, they see no hypocrisy in how the state's official position is that you "consented" to the test, even though if the test does come up positive, that proves that your consent was given while you are drunk, which in any other part of the legal system means that you did not consent.
      Then of course there is the issue of how haphazardly calibrated these machines are, how wildly inaccurate they are, and so on.
      Even still, even when the prosecution can't prove probable cause, and even if they lose the evidences for 9 months while they jerk you around, with constant continuances, they still end up convicting 100% of the time. No jury BTW, just a judge who is buddies with all the cops.
      Meanwhile, if you are rich, you can just bypass it all as your expensive lawyer winks at the judge and you don't even lose your license.

      Our "justice" system is a complete joke.

    6. Re:...which is why by schematix · · Score: 2

      There is a correction factor added to compensate for the time since the traffic stop that considers the gender and size of the person. If your blood tests 0.079 an hour later, you're screwed. You can also be screwed at lower levels. Delaying is not in your favor. If you think you're going to be over the limit, refuse the test. If you think you're gonna be close, refuse the test. Only take it if you know you're going to pass.

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    7. Re:...which is why by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You agree to let them be invasive when you accept your driver's license.

      Not true, again, it depends on the laws of your state.

      It has been awhile since I last reviewed mine, now that I think about it, but from my last look...and after talking to a local lawyer, here are some things if you happen to get pulled over.

      First, do NOT take any field sobriety tests, especially the walking the lines, touching the nose, etc....especially if you think you might be close to the limit. All they are doing there, is collecting evidence against you on camera, that's it.

      Don't help them out.

      Refuse a field breath test.

      Same reason as above, you're only helping them collect evidence against you.

      If you think you are at all close to legal levels, while being polite, do not talk much. Answer few to no questions about where you were, what you've done and for certain do not tell them you have been drinking.

      And face facts, if they DO think you are impaired, nothing you can say or do will keep them from taking you in. If this is your situation, you basically need to just put your hands out for the cuffs and quietly go for a ride, you are doing to do that regardless of any actions you may try, you cannot talk your way out of it, etc.

      Again, do NOT help them gather evidence against you.

      Last I looked, in my state, if this is your first offense, you can and SHOULD refuse all breath and blood tests. The only time they can force you to take a blood test, is if you were in an accident, and someone was hurt/killed, then you can be compelled.

      Otherwise, if this is first offense you can refuse all tests, and you should.

      Then, get a good lawyer, and if you've done your job of not helping them gather evidence against you, he/she will likely get you off at the most with a wreckless driving.

      Of course, this sucks, but it is better than a DWI.

      If a 2nd time happens, and well...you should have learned your lesson the first time....do the same and do not help them gather evidence against you...this time if you refuse the breath test, there are some consequences. They recently passed some new laws and I honestly have not studied them....but to the best of my knowledge, you can at least get a lawyer to talk them into a limited license to get to/from work and such.

      Now....should be you driving and drinking in the first place?

      Well, in this day in age...no. There is uber...it is cheap, plentiful and they can cart your drunk ass anywhere. These days, it just isn't worth it to risk getting caught.

      But I mention it, because, well...shit happens. And with the BAC levels reduced to such stupidly LOW levels (0.08)....you can get very close to the legal limit as a grown man, having only 2-3 glasses of wine with a meal....and they can bust you, yet you may not even be close to impaired.

      So, keep that in mind.

      Again...this varies from state to state. If you drink, you should know way ahead of time, what the laws in YOUR state are, and if possible, talk to a lawyer to know what to do and not to do.

      And really with ANY interaction with the police, the best thing you can do is NOT say anything....your right to keep silent is the best thing going for you, and remember the police, no matter what they say, are NOT there to help you, they are there to try to gather evidence to charge someone (possibly YOU) with a crime.

      Be polite, comply...but don't help them out.

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    8. Re: ...which is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't have to be driving drunk to be pulled over and accused of it.

    9. Re:...which is why by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But I mention it, because, well...shit happens. And with the BAC levels reduced to such stupidly LOW levels (0.08)....you can get very close to the legal limit as a grown man, having only 2-3 glasses of wine with a meal....and they can bust you, yet you may not even be close to impaired.

      I don't think that is stupidly low at all. I've seen people get visibly impaired on a couple of glasses of wine. Not drunk-drunk, but to a point where it obviously would impair them to a degree. Most people won't be majorly impacted by 2 glasses of wine, but they have to set the levels that low to catch the sizable minority that are.

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    10. Re:...which is why by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that is stupidly low at all. I've seen people get visibly impaired on a couple of glasses of wine. Not drunk-drunk, but to a point where it obviously would impair them to a degree. Most people won't be majorly impacted by 2 glasses of wine, but they have to set the levels that low to catch the sizable minority that are.

      It shouldn't be the lowest common denominator, that opens up WAY too broad of a dragnet.

      If it were 1 in 100 that 0.8 was too high to drive; I would agree with you. If it is 1 in 4 then, absolutely, even if 3 can drive safely at that limit- 25% not being able to is a significant number. 0.8 is actually higher than a lot of states in the Union, and higher than a lot of Asian and European countries.

      I have a simple rule. If I have drunk any alcohol; I don't drive. Even though after a couple of beers or a couple glasses of wine, I don't feel impaired, I don't drive if I've drunk anything. It's really not worth it. It's not worth being impaired even if I feel fine; it's not worth getting arrested if my blood alcohol is higher than I think.

      It's not like it's that inconvenient to skip a drink every once in a while if you have to drive.

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    11. Re:...which is why by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      ANYTHING you can do to help your case, you should do

      I would recommend NOT drinking and driving. There's zero excuse. Of course you could be pulled over or arrested for seeming drunk, but if you're not drinking, you're not going to be busted after the test.

    12. Re: ...which is why by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Doesn't matter if you are guilty or not, ask the police to show a warrant first. If you don't want to defend the rights of all citizens then you stand the chance of losing your own rights.

  2. Not in Europe by Ubi_NL · · Score: 4, Informative

    In .nl at least, these breathalyzers are used by police to do a quick test only. If the result is positive, the suspect is carted to a police station where a much more accurate machine is used to determine the blood alcohol levels. Only that ladt number is used as evidence.

    I was assuming all countries had similar methods.

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    1. Re:Not in Europe by war4peace · · Score: 2

      Same here in Romania.

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    2. Re:Not in Europe by will_die · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It really depends on the state. One major difference is that in the US taking of blood is consider unreasonable search so police have to show a reason or you have to volunteer to give it. Also in most US states the legal limit is higher than Europe. there are a few states that use the 0.05% limit but that is usually for minors. Everywhere else the limit is 0.08%
      In the majority of states you will require you to blow when stopped(where this machine looks to be used), that reading is worthless except to show that you had alcohol in your system; or you can request a blood test or refuse which means you automatically loose your license. At that point, if positive, you would be arrested. You will then be taken to the police station and required to blow into a more exact system and if below legal limit you are freed otherwise that previous arrest is still in effect and you will probably be prosecuted.
      the defense claim here is that the people were arrested because of faulty equipment and because of that they would of never been taken in for a blood or additional test. Since they should of never been arrested those additional tests were illegally taken and need to be thrown out and any convictions based on those need to be dismissed.

    3. Re:Not in Europe by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you automatically loose your license

      Lose.

      they would of never been taken

      would've

      The inability to spell on /. seems to be higher than in my daughter's elementary school class....

      Yeah, yeah, I know. Spelling isn't important. Get off my lawn!

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  3. Why does this need to be computerized? by davidwr · · Score: 2

    OK, I get it, the user interface etc. should be computerized for convenience.

    But the part that "holds up in court" should be as close to the raw data as possible, which can and probably should be analog or at the very least a very simple, relatively-easy-to-audit-for-correctness digital system.

    This web site describes a breathalyzer which appears to be analog. It also describes an intoxilyzer, which uses a microprocessor. If the electrical pulse being fed into the microprocessor can be captured for later playback in court, then the defense team's experts can interpret it using their own algorithms if they wish.

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    1. Re:Why does this need to be computerized? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      The issue isn't with the software per se, but what the examination of the software revealed about the units as a system. If you used op amps instead of microcontrollers most of those issues would still be there.

      The sensors used are temperature sensitive. The configuration used by the police disabled ambient temperature checks, which I guess you could call a digital issue. The device lacks a breath temperature sensor, which means that people with warmer than average breath could get false positives.

      These devices also should be re-calibrated after a fixed number of uses; instead the state was re-calibrating them on a fixed schedule. While that schedule might work for an *average* device, devices that had been heavily could b e giving spurious readings.

      On the flip side the device uses two different types of sensors to measure alcohol, and rejects readings where the sensors give different answers. This might mitigate some of the defects in how the state used them, but nobody can be sure. All we have is the assurance of the state authorities that the devices "have been tested to meet our business needs," without any specifics about what the test entailed.

      The danger of these things is that they give you a number and it all seems so scientific and precise. You don't get the hemming and hawing that comes with a human opinion, metadata that helps you decide how certain you should be of that opinion. Layman don't understand the limitations of technology, they assume the tech should "just work". I'd trust a sophomore engineering student to devise policy for using these things over a police chief with decades of law enforcement experience.

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  4. All about the $$$ by Zorro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Drunk Driving conviction is big business in California.

    Of course they would tweak the test to get more and more money.

    You can easily spend $15K if you get one.

  5. Time to get beyond blood alcohol levels by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The neurological deficits of drinking (and using many other drugs) persist long after blood levels have dropped to zero. So either develop tests that measure actual impairment (and bust a lot more people) or just admit that so many people are impaired but sliding under the limits that we may as well just let them drive.

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    1. Re:Time to get beyond blood alcohol levels by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      WTF?

      Bullshit. They've gone way past testing for impairment. They're pushing for 0.05 now...the 'medical definition' of drunk is 0.15. Yes I realize the AMA eventually rolled over, but they made their point first. Your judgement goes to _shit_ at about 0.15, up till there, slower reactions.

      If 0.05 is, by definition, unable to drive, then 70 years old is, by definition, unable to drive.

      And yes, if you're massively hungover, odds are you are still 0.10. Monday morning is actually a fairly big time for DUI accidents/busts. All the serious alchies are going to work with hangovers + 'leftovers'. The really bad ones will have started the day with a hair of the dog.

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  6. Trust But Verify by crow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So in most cases they use the breathalyzer along with a field sobriety test to determine if they should arrest a driver, after which they normally draw a blood sample for a more precise test. (In most states, drivers can refuse the tests and receive an automatic license suspension, though that's often not as bad as a conviction, but it doesn't preclude a conviction based on the sobriety test alone.)

    So we have lots of cases where there is both breathalyzer test data and blood test data. This gives a huge amount of data that can be correlated. Also, the times of the test should be recorded, so expected declines due to delays between the two tests can be computed. So all we need to do is gather up the data from a few years of use, and then we can see what the reliability of the breathalyzer is in comparison to the blood test.

    We know that any test can fail (equipment failure, cross contamination, operator error, etc.), but this will give solid data on the expected error.

  7. Legal gambling ahead, stop drinking already! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having worked at Draeger I am somewhat biased but I will also be able to provide a more in-depth description of the company itself. The company manufactures loads of equipment for diving (tanks, breathing apparatus), fire prevention, fire detection, infra-red cameras, alarm systems and more. Everything is obviously thoroughly documented, tested and accounted for due to risk of life. The R&D floor at the office I worked housed proper chemical and electronics labs containing millions of dollars worth of inventory. I find it hard to believe that there are "serious" issues with these breathalysers, especially considering they are sold not just in the US but dozens of other countries.

    The real issue is with police departments not taking proper care of these machines. Not following calibration procedures and using them in out of spec environments (eg. near an air conditioner set to full blast). I know for a fact officers using this equipment can't be bothered to read the "MOUTHPIECES ONLY" sign on the returns barrels as I usually found at least 20 USED needles, condoms, pills and other trash in every barrel.

    Regardless, this is just a bunch of convicted drunk drivers that want to argue numbers to get out of jail and refuse to drive sober. Even if the device was off by 6% (as claimed in the article), zero will still be zero.

    Lets be real, police officers are not fond of paperwork and they will only test you if they have good reason... When they see you swerve all over the road being at least twice over the legal limit, the test itself is just to prove objectively that you are drunk.

    If only these people would invest as much effort making sure people don't drink and drive, drunk drivers wouldn't be the cause of for the vast majority of accidents.

  8. I need volunteers by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    In building a breathalizer to detect wayyyyy too much drinking, one would think the first thing they did was extensively test the happy path.

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  9. double dumbass on YOU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why did you call him an asshole? He didn't say anything about driving drunk, and it's obviously assumed that everyone is talking about a situation where the driver is sober. But what do you do when a cop wants to test the sobriety? Don't we want to have DWI/DUI laws? If you have these laws, you need some way to investigate suspects. But impaling innocent people (yes, I'm using totally loaded language here, on purpose) is something most of us don't want.

    So a whole game develops in the middle ground of uncertainty. Go too far one way, and you don't really have effective laws against drunk driving. Go too far the other way, and you're poking holes in innocent people to make them bleed. Breathalysers were a great compromise .. if only they hadn't tried to keep the inner workings a secret from the very society that judges the accused, thereby making them bullshit "evidence." FAIL.

    Open up the breathalysers to auditing and maintenance and you'll have a useful technology. Just like we eventually determine with everything else that's important (e.g. the software in your desktop computer). Anything you can't audit, is bullshit.

    1. Re:double dumbass on YOU by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Reread the thread - this entire thread, right to the topmost reply to he article, is about blood. Even Reanjr's comment, to which AC posted the "when you get convicted" statement, was specifically about needles.

      I full agree with you about actual competency tests being far preferable. Unfortunately they'd also be far more expensive - at a minimum you'd need a high quality driving simulator available in-cruiser, or get you back to the station for immediate testing there, before you have a chance to sober up.

      And high quality is the watch word - it needs to be a realistic enough scenario so that existing real-life skills translate directly - a screen, or even current VR's peripheral vision blinders, are going to really throw off a lot of people's situational awareness, especially non-gamers.

      We could perhaps design a "game" that (supposedly) tests attention, reaction times, etc., but it's extremely unlikely it would be an accurate assessment, and then we'd be punishing perfectly competent drivers for not being good at learning new games. Just a different version of the existing problem.

      As it is though you're unlikely to be pulled over in the first place unless you're driving erratically (DWI checkpoints and dark skin notwithstanding). And if you have a high BAC, AND are driving erratically near a police officer, then you were almost certainly guilty of at least not paying enough attention to driving given your level of impairment.

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  11. Nothing to see here. by Jason1729 · · Score: 2

    The Alcotest is a roadside screening device. People who fail the road side test are then taken to a station (or mobile truck during RIDE type programs) for a more precise test.

    The roadside screening only has to give the police officer reasonable and probable grounds to arrest the person and continue with the investigation and subsequent test. Even if this result proved 100% that the Alcotest produces a lot of false positives, it casts zero doubt on any convictions or even matters currently going through the courts. The cops would have had RPG on a good-faith basis and every right to have proceeded.

    Going forward, it may be possible to argue that with the alcotest proven unreliable it can no longer be used to establish RPG, but even that won't be automatic because the roadside screening device isn't really required if the cop can say their were sufficient signs of impairment to arrest on impaired driving rather than over 80. The over 80 can then be laid at the station if the person blows over.

    TL;DR nothing to see here.

  12. self driving cars fixes this by MooseTick · · Score: 2

    Yet another thing self driving cars will fix. Once those are standard, there will be no more DUIs. There will also be no more tickets for speeding, running red lights, failure to maintain control, reckless driving, or any other moving violations.

    Sadly, I think cops will hate this. They want to be able to have a reason to pull someone over, especially if they are black (and this is coming from a white male who reeks white privilege). They will also fear this will eliminate a need for a major part of their job. I don't know the number, but suspect a sizable percentage of police activity involves traffic enforcement. If cars are driving themselves, their need will greatly diminish. At some point, municipalities will decide they don't need to pay someone to enforce laws that aren't being broken and there is no longer a threat to society by drunk and reckless drivers. I'm not sure what the final outcome will be, but it doesn't look good for the men in blue.