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Tesla Unveils Dual Motor and Performance Specs For Model 3
Rei writes: Yesterday evening, Elon Musk announced the pricing and specs for two of the Model 3's most in-demand options -- dual motor and performance versions. The base dual motor configuration adds an AC induction front motor to the current partial-PM reluctance rear motor for $5,000; in addition to AWD and allowing the car to drive with either motor out, this cuts the 0 to 60 mph acceleration time from 5.1 seconds to 4.5 seconds. The performance package is available as a bundle, including the long-range pack, premium interior, 20" wheels, carbon fiber spoiler, and a new black-and-white interior. The vehicle will cost $78,000; 0 to 60 mph times are further cut to 3.5 seconds and the top speed increases from 140 mph to 155 mph.
While these options have consistently polled as the most in-demand options not yet available, several still remain and are variously due late this year/early next year: cream interior, non-PUP, tow hitch, SR battery, and air suspension. EU-spec and China-spec are also due early next year. Production is currently over 3,500 per week, rumored to be 4,300 per week, and will be undergoing a shutdown from May 26-31 to raise production to the Q2 target of 5000-6000.
While these options have consistently polled as the most in-demand options not yet available, several still remain and are variously due late this year/early next year: cream interior, non-PUP, tow hitch, SR battery, and air suspension. EU-spec and China-spec are also due early next year. Production is currently over 3,500 per week, rumored to be 4,300 per week, and will be undergoing a shutdown from May 26-31 to raise production to the Q2 target of 5000-6000.
Fast! As fast as you can! AWAAAAAAAAY!
Huh. Just off the presses.
Tesla cuts Model 3 delivery delays for new orders in half as production ramp improves
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$78k for the performance version of a $35k base car? Is Tesla an American company or a German one?
And still have to wait until 2019 for air suspension?
The $5k for dual-motor / AWD is expensive enough.
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Yeah, but Europe and the rest of the world have to wait :P I'm going to be waiting until at least Q1, since that's when the Eurospec goes into production. Could be worse; left-side-of-the-road countries aren't supposed to get theirs until Q3.
Nice that they moved up the schedule on the standard pack though. Giga has really come uncorked. Performance is way out of my budget, but a standard pack plus AWD would be a killer vehicle for the price. We still don't know what the 0-60 on it will be, but if it's a similar 0,6s drop as in LR, then that'd be 4,9s for a $40k vehicle (which I won't have to pay our huge VAT on, and which will save me ~$3k in fuel costs per year) with some pretty nice standard features. Still not sure whether air suspension will be worth it. And there's only one thing from PUP that I wish wasn't bundled (I really want that glass roof.... even though it's not really practical, as it conducts heat more than a headliner).
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Speaking of tracks, what is its time around the Nurburgring?
Tesla seems to take all the fun out of performance. It used to be able oil and gas and the small of exhaust coming out of two dual 2.5" exhaust pipes with a sound that made an indication of how fast it was. Now it's just a really quick golf cart.
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I guess we'll find out :) The nice thing about the Model 3 vs. S and X is that the new motor has no rotor overheating issues. You can drive it full out lap after lap (and a number of owners have done just that).
Now, it'll be interesting to see how the front motor behaves. Because they interestingly chose to add an induction motor in the front rather than a second PMSRM. At this point, we have no clue whether it's the same induction motor as in the S and X or a new design. And even if it's the same as the S and X, it's not clear that - only needing to deliver part of the vehicle's power needs - it would overheat. The software would obviously preferentially direct acceleration to the more efficient, no-thermal-limitations rear motor, only using the front when more power is needed than the rear can deliver.
I can't wait for the videos to start filtering in from the track. Even the current Model 3 looks like a blast on it (until you burn out the not-designed-for-track-duty brakes, that is!)
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"standard pack plus AWD would be a killer vehicle for the price. We still don't know what the 0-60 on it will be, but if it's a similar 0,6s drop as in LR, then that'd be 4,9s for a $40k vehicle"
It's supposed to be 4.5s according to Electrek. Considering that the LR is officially 5.1s but has tested as low as 4.7s, it could be even quicker
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AWD LR is 4,5s. But LR is 0,4s faster than SR to begin with.
I guess we'll find out :)
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On Youtube, one guy showed repeated 0-60 runs in 4.4s.
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Mr. Musk might realize that the vast majority of folks aren't going to spend nearly $80k on a vehicle that does nothing but depreciate the instant you drive it off the lot. When his vehicles can financially compete with an ICE flavor, we'll talk about it. Until then, no.
Applying the typical 20/4/10 rule of thumb on an $80k car:
20% Down Payment: $16k
Finance Length: $64k for four years @ ~3% = ~$1400 / month
Gross Income Required for 10% rule: > $140,000 / year*
* > because I'm not taking interest and insurance amounts into account.
US Median Income 2015-2016: $57-59k. Relevant because his Model 3 is supposed to
be the affordable model for the masses.
If he doesn't realize it sooner rather than later, his little car project may implode.
It's hilarious just how out of touch with reality the super rich really are . . . . . . :|
SR battery seems to mean standard range as compared with LR meaning long range. Tim S.
It is not by any standard "a very heavy car". The Model 3 LR is only marginally heavier than BMW's roughly performance equal model, the 340i. Model 3 LR-P is almost certainly lighter than most of its competitors in the market, since there's no extra batteries added, and electric motors give a lot of power per unit weight.
Combine this with a low centre of gravity and a much praised suspension....
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It's OK - it has Autopilot, so you don't need to keep your eyes on the road, you can stare at the screen as you work your way though the menus and touch panel to select what you want!
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"Premium" interior (in any color I want as long as it is black) that gives me open pore wood trim and two more USB ports? For 5K? If any ICE car dealer pushed that option I would laugh at him so derisively he would cringe. Here I forked over the cash for obviously over priced profit center knowingly and willingly. That is my bit for the 35K for the masses.
AWD at 78K is outrageous in some sense. Electric dual motor AWD is so much simpler than the transfer case, locking differential, dual drive axle ICE AWD trans. ICE AWD is just 3 or 4 K more, and they make a good profit on that. Electric is just one more motor and all the rest is software. It should not cost more than 600$, and it would sell for 1000$ more in normal circumstances, if there are enough electric cars on the market giving competitive pressure. But... as it stands now, Tesla can bundle it with mauve interior and pink wheels and a unicorn hood ornament and price it at 78K. And there are lots of people willing pay. I see it as a good thing. Make as much profit as possible, amortize the factory, pay off the fixed costs, so that some day we can have a really affordable electric car for the people.
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Meanwhile, in the real world, the commonly used functions are on the steering wheel.
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I have trouble seeing why people would choose a base S over a performance 3. Faster, lighter, can do sustained track duty, more efficient (aka, more range per minute spent supercharging), longer range, etc, etc. I guess if you need the S's extra cargo room... Or maybe if you were a courier and wanted that unlimited mileage warranty...
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Like the wipers?
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The initially adevertised 35K trim was never shipped. Now Tesla is trying to get people to buy a 57K Model3, at least at the Colorado Cherry Creek dealer I visited last week.
1. Larger. More room.
2. Better storage. The trunk liftgate allows more luggage, dogs, etc. in the back.
3. Most Model S buyers don't care about price.
Yes, the Model 3 will cannibalize low end Model S sales, but I think you will see the minimum configuration of a Model S become more expensive.
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Rain-sensing wipers plus individual wash/wipe controlled by a stalk switch. What else do you need?
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I probably wouldn't buy an $80k car, but to claim this car "does not compete" with ICE cars is absurd.
It accelerates faster than ICE cars around the same price.
It also probably handles better than most of the iCE cars around the same price.
It even has around the same range (maybe better) than ICE cars around the same price.
You go into financing details which are true of ANY $80k car, you do absolutely northing to back up your ignorant claim.
If I were looking at $80k cars, why would this car not be at the top of my list? From everything we know right now, it would be. That is plainly competing.
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A simple electric car, without everything being controlled by HAL-9000.
Also, having a car where everything stops working if that giant iPad in the middle breaks (and probably costs $2000 to replace) really sucks. And it probably doesn't work if you're wearing winter gloves either. As far as "don't break the screen", try having kids, dogs, carrying lumber front-to-back, etc, etc, etc.
The long wait and lack of any incentives in Ireland is making me look at CPO model X's. The S is too small and low for me.
I'm worried about the be CPO no-refurb policy though. Don't want to have to reject the car like some people have. The cost of repairs is an issue too... I'm waiting to see what the M3 is like for body work.
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I assume you don't have a touchscreen phone, do you?
Technology progresses. The controls that you might need to operate immediately are on the stalks, which, together with the automation means that the touchscreen in the Model 3 works well.
Someone else commented on the location of the screen. I would refer them to the venerable Mini and many other old cars which only had a central speedometer and controls.
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I paid $100 for my touchscreen phone, making it a disposable item. Far different from a $35000+ car. Break the huge, ugly "iPad" in the middle of a Tesla Model 3? No HVAC controls, no wiper off switch, no radio/Bluetooth, no ... .... ... ...
The (old and new) Mini's gauge cluster is also mounted far higher on the dash and more forward -- it's much better protected from damage than the Tesla's "free floating" screen that actually protrudes a bit into the driver and passenger spaces.
If this is "technology" advancing, then all hail King Ludd!
BTW - the Nissan Leaf does the interior thing right, unlike the airy-fairy edgy Model 3. Nice big buttons for gloved hands to be able to use. Small, dash-mounted, well-protected LCD. Important info on a screen in front of the driver
A model 3 made it 3 laps at Laguna Seca before the brakes were gone that's ~ 9 miles the Nurburgring is over 12. You can't keep the batteries or brakes cool enough to do a proper lap that long.
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Isn't the speedometer on the central console and not the steering wheel? I mean, from pulling up some pictures on the interior on google, that's certainly what it looks like. I don't know about you, but for me that's probably the most commonly used function on the driver controls.
I wasn't counting laps, but the brakes burned out around 14 minutes in, and he was averaging under 2 minutes per lap, so more like 7 laps. And they weren't racing brakes. There's a reason that racing brakes exist; stock brakes are not designed for prolongued heavy usage.
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Which package offers Ludicrous Mode?
The model 3 had brake issues from the 3rd lap on, when brakes get hot they boil the fluid so you have to pump them in order to stop. 10k in brake upgrades certainly would help but then it's not stock, an m3 which Musk has a burning desire to out perform can go to a track day fully stock and do just fine going 10 seconds faster around Laguna Seca then the model 3. The model 3 is a great car but pretending it's a good track day car discredits all its remarkable features.
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No, why don't you post actual numbers. The BMW curb weights (+100lb gas on average, more when full) are:
BMW 330i manual (0,1s slower than a 3549lb Model 3 SR): 3501+100 lb (101,4% of the weight, +0,1s)
BMW 330i auto (same speed as a 3549lb Model 3 SR): 3541+100 lb (102,6% o the weight, 0,0s)
BMW 340i manual (0,2s faster than a 3814 lb Model 3 LR): 3675+100 lb (99,0% of the weight, -0,2s)
BMW 340i manual (probably-the-same-speed as a probably-around-3650+100 lb Model 3 SR AWD): 3675lb (103,4% of the weight, 0,0s)
BMW 340i auto (0,3s faster than a a 3814 lb Model 3 LR): 3704+100 lb (99,7% of the weight, -0,3s)
BMW 340i auto (probably-0,1s-faster than a probably-around-3650lb Model 3 SR AWD): 3704+100 lb (104,2% of the weight, -0,1s)
BMW M3 manual (0,6s slower than a probably-around- 3915lb Model 3 LR-P): 3575+100 lb (93,9% of the weight, +0,6s)
BMW M3 auto (0,4s slower than a probably-around- 3915lb Model 3 LR-P): 3630+100 lb (95,3% of the weight, +0,4s)
BMW M5 (0,3s faster than a probably-around- 3915lb Model 3 LR-P): 4370+100 lb (114,2% of the weight, -0,3s)
I'll repeat what I wrote: It is not by any standard "a very heavy car" And of course, real-world testing has shown that Tesla has sandbagged the model 3 LR performance figures, and probably the other model 3s as well, probably to boost sales of the S line; most people get under the nominal 5,1s in the LR.
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The 0-60 time is meaningless when it only has 1 gear. I owned a Model S with insane mode and while the 2 something 0-60 was shocking the highway acceleration was no better than your average sports car. That's because it can't down shift to accelerate faster like a ICE can. I lost many a highway race and you won't find any highway races of teslas on YouTube like you can of nearly every other car. All the Tesla races on YouTube start at either zero or under 30mph where they still have some decent acceleration, but once you get to 60 or 70mph the acceleration isn't there while a ICE sportscar just downshifts to 3rd and takes off.
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A BMW M3 has starting price $66,5k
A Model 3 LR has a starting price of $44k.
Model 3 LR is not meant to be a track car. Model 3 LR-P is. And it comes with racing brakes.
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A speedometer is not a "function". Yes, it's on the upper left of the screen, just beside the wheel.
I'll take it that you've never driven a car with a central speedo (this isn't even that central). After they get used to the different location, most people love them. Either way you're looking mostly "down", only in the latter it's "down and slightly to the side". But it means the wheel never blocks the speed, and it lets them lower the dash and give a better field of view out the front.
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Tesla seems to take all the fun out of performance. It used to be able oil and gas and the small of exhaust coming out of two dual 2.5" exhaust pipes with a sound that made an indication of how fast it was. Now it's just a really quick golf cart.
An over the air software update can fix that, they can play "vroom vroom" noises on the cabin speakers.
Add a bottle of "old car smell" spray and you can have your oil/gas/exhaust odors too.
Still, electricity from clean sources like wind, hydro, solar, and nuclear (yes, nuclear) is cleaner than burning any fossil fools like oil or natural gas.
In the US over 60% of electricity comes from fossil fuels, including 30% from coal. Renewables only account for 17%.
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Consumer Reports seems to say the control cluster sucks as well...
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