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Microsoft Addresses Pressure From Developer Community, Promises To Rename GVFS

DuroSoft writes: Earlier this week an article ran about how Microsoft's multi-year refusal to rename its terabyte-scale Git extension "GVFS" (Git Virtual File System) had drawn the ire and dismay of the GNOME GVfs project (Gnome Virtual File System) which predates the Microsoft project by years. Thanks to Slashdot coverage and community pressure, Microsoft has now officially promised to rename GVFS to something else, and is asking the community for suggestions for a new name. Is this an official sign that MIcrosoft is finally listening to developers (albeit with a Slashdot-level of negative attention), or are they simply trying to appease the crowd while they are still in the news due to their acquisition of GitHub?

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  1. Gitty McGitFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Subject line says it all.

    1. Re:Gitty McGitFS by Barny · · Score: 1

      Damn it, I was coming in here to say this. Bravo, anon, bravo.

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    2. Re:Gitty McGitFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's something the people in power need to realize, in my opinion...

      Why do people vote for such inane names like, "Boaty McBoatFace" or the man of the year, "Hank, the Angry Drunken Dwarf"?

      The collective people really don't generally want to be "stuck" with those names that they voted for, but rather, it's a test - is the voting system fair? Can the organization be trusted to honor the votes of the people? Overwhelmingly, the answer is No. These names get voted in because there is no trust that the results will be honored.

      On an aside... I'm probably going to forever refer to the git file system as "McGitFS" ... at least internally.

    3. Re:Gitty McGitFS by infolation · · Score: 1

      GittyMcGitFace is clearly the winner. Why is this even a discussion?

    4. Re:Gitty McGitFS by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Reminds me a bit when I once worked for a power company in a scrum team. When the team got to big and was split the people demanded to have names for the teams. So we ended up with team names like "People's Front of Judea" and "Judean People's Front" (not to be confused with the People's Front of Judea).

      See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I actually never knew in which team I belonged ...

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    5. Re:Gitty McGitFS by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it'll end up being called Git File System for Windows 2018 Professional Edition.

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    6. Re:Gitty McGitFS by Jiro · · Score: 1

      If I invite you to a party and tell you to get some ice from the freezer, I probably don't expect you to put twenty pounds of ice into a plastic bag and take it home with you. But what I said doesn't literally rule it out.

      Proper social skills require understanding implication and context, not just understanding people's literal words. If they say "you can name it anything" and you pick a name like "Boaty McBoatFace" you've literally followed their words (they did say anything), but you've ignored the social context and acted like a clueless geek. There is no violation of trust that the results will be honored, because what they said never communicated that such a name would be honored (regardless of what its literal words sound like).

      Also, in this case Microsoft figured out there are such people on the Internet and actually made the exclusion explicit:

      2. Short and welcoming - It has to be a nice welcoming word in most languages (sorry -- while PoopVFS might elicit a giggle, it won't make the cut when I go to meetings with the Windows team with that in my slide deck. Also it needs to not contain special characters so M$FT is a no go as well)

    7. Re:Gitty McGitFS by Kremmy · · Score: 1

      I would argue that GittyMcGitFS, because it is like "Boaty McBoatFace", meets the criteria. That you are denying the greater context to make an argument about context.

    8. Re:Gitty McGitFS by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      These names get voted in because there is no trust that the results will be honored.

      The fact that we do have "Boaty McBoatface" contradicts the claim that the results are not honored. But perhaps it's just an exception that proves the rule.

      I wonder whether SpaceX drone ships names are a result of a vote (even if perhaps not a public vote)

      Fun fact: There is a bridge in capital of Slovakia for which there was a popular vote. The winning name was "Chuck Norris Bridge". The vote was rejected, but Google Maps can still find that and for some time the label on Google Maps actually used that name despite the official name being different.

  2. Taking suggestions? by sqorbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    That always works out well.. File McFileyFace? Gitty McGit Face?

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    1. Re:Taking suggestions? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I'm sure plenty of more respectable names were suggested as well. In fact I seem to remember one of the others being used the first time it came up. Asking for suggestions is good. Just, by all that's holy, don't hold a binding public vote.

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    2. Re:Taking suggestions? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      They could use ReiserFS - that's not being used.

    3. Re:Taking suggestions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But is is being tried, if I recall correctly.

    4. Re:Taking suggestions? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      They could use ReiserFS - that's not being used.

      Oh, for fuck's sake, just let that joke die.

    5. Re:Taking suggestions? by dj245 · · Score: 1

      They could use ReiserFS - that's not being used.

      I have a couple disks on an unraid server that use ReiserFS. They were installed back when Unraid only supported ReiserFS. When they are replaced I will kill off my use of it.

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    6. Re:Taking suggestions? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Fuck off fanboy. ReiserFS jokes are still funny. You were probably one of the stupid fucking morons who defended him right up until the end.

      Whoosh.

    7. Re:Taking suggestions? by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      Post 56736704 marked as duplicate of post 56736702.

    8. Re:Taking suggestions? by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

      Gah, you beat me out. I had just come here to post Filey McFileFace. Great minds and all that jazz...

  3. I know what it'll be by ausekilis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Extended - Cross-platform Terabyte-enabled Filesystem, version 4.
    Or Ext4-FS, for short.

  4. Slashdot outrage... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Slashdot doesn't have enough readers to cause a website to get slashdotted. I'm curious as to how Slashdot coverage could influence Microsoft to change anything.

    1. Re:Slashdot outrage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just a few days ago I have posted bunch of copy-pasted GNOME's GVFS issues into the issue tracker of Microsoft's GVFS just to troll them. Looks like I've somewhat influenced this decision - at least in my mind :)

    2. Re:Slashdot outrage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Way to go you bad bug-filing terrorist. You should be sent off to...wait for it...GITmo!

    3. Re:Slashdot outrage... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Kudos for that idea!

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  5. or are they simply trying to appease the crowd by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

    Sorry, this is Microsoft we're talking about, amiright?

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    1. Re:or are they simply trying to appease the crowd by Megol · · Score: 1

      Yes it is Microsoft, I'm wondering why they need Git to manage their BASIC interpreter?

    2. Re:or are they simply trying to appease the crowd by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Because they need thousands of programmers to get one interpreter right ...

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  6. Someone should rename Git by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    In British english its pejorative term similar to bastard. Linus obviously didn't do his homework before christening it.

    1. Re:Someone should rename Git by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      In proper (Hillbilly) English, it's a verb meaning "acquire", "fetch", "receive".

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  7. Or.... by Zorro · · Score: 1

    They could adopt the file system and publish any improvements publicly for free use.

    But no. This is the same old Microsoft.

    1. Re:Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      What are you blathering on about? It's under the MIT license.

      https://github.com/Microsoft/GVFS

    2. Re:Or.... by t0y · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ironically, Gnome's VFS is GPL and therefore less free.

    3. Re:Or.... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Or more free, as in freedom.

      Less free as in free for commercial outfits to pilfer.

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    4. Re:Or.... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      You can go from MIT to GPL if you like.

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    5. Re:Or.... by MidSpeck · · Score: 1

      This, exactly.
      You can go from MIT to GPL if you like, but you CANNOT go from GPL to MIT. So which one has more freedom? MIT.
      GPL is more restrictive to developers.

  8. Linus quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I'm an egotistical bastard, so I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git."

    1. Re:Linus quote by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      Heh, didn't know that. :)

    2. Re:Linus quote by mark-t · · Score: 1

      if the creators of gimp weren't willing to change the name of the software to prevent appearing insensitive, what makes you think that Git's name would get changed?

    3. Re:Linus quote by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Because it's all in good fun?

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  9. Re:Duh by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Even MGVFS or MSGVFS would work - as long as the acronym has their branding on it it's pretty safe it won't be used already. That would allow them to keep the bulk of their code unchanged (since the "Microsoft" part is implicit if not directly called out) without disrupting user support for either system (e.g. they could still call it the Microsoft Git Virtual File System - similar to how they used T-SQL to differentiate from SQL.) Organizational prefixes are pretty standard across the industry.

  10. Re:"Thanks to Slashdot coverage"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If users are abandoning GitHub for Sourceforge, management is probably getting overconfident about Slashdot.

  11. Next announcement from Microsoft by Provocateur · · Score: 1

    We have decided to call it I can't believe it's not GVFS!

    They expect that the angry hordes outside the Redmond walls to be carrying torches and pitchforks. The fact that it seemed to be a mixed bag is normally typical for the area. That they were all sporting aprons threw the riot squad off for an instant, until the crowd control tanks rolled in with their sonic cannons.

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  12. Thoughts by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    .VFS4G but that assumes this will only ever be used for GIT, which is probably a bad way to name something. .GIFTS (GIT/FS) .VITFS (Virtual IT File System) .GIT, .VIT .GIVFS (GIt Virtual File System)

    1. Re:Thoughts by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Git Version Control File System

    2. Re:Thoughts by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Git Version Control File System

      Make it less git-specific. VCFS - Version Control File System.

      Imagine a file-system-centric-way to talk to git, Subversion, Mercurial, pretty much any VCS without caring (much*) what the semantics of the underlying VCS are.

      * there are system-specific limitations, e.g. you can easily mount deeply into svn but not so much into git without a complex emulation.

  13. Thanks to Slashdot coverage? by Eloking · · Score: 2

    Thanks to Slashdot coverage and community pressure, Microsoft has now officially promised to rename GVFS to something else,

    Really? Isn't this a little...arrogant to take the credit about MS change of mind?

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  14. Well it's Rather Obvious by khandom08 · · Score: 1, Funny

    M$VFS

    1. Re:Well it's Rather Obvious by chispito · · Score: 1

      M$VFS

      Ha, my first thought was, just call it GitVFS, and then I saw they had some guidelines in TFA for suggestions, the first of which was they weren't going to put 'Git' in it, the second of which

      Short and welcoming - It has to be a nice welcoming word in most languages (sorry – while PoopVFS might elicit a giggle, it won't make the cut when I go to meetings with the Windows team with that in my slide deck. Also it needs to not contain special characters so M$FT is a no go as well

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  15. Re:"Thanks to Slashdot coverage"? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny

    MS suffered the slashdot effect and are begging for mercy. Never underestimate the power of dozens, perhaps hundreds of nerds going to your website.

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  16. Definitely the latter by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    --- Is this an official sign that MIcrosoft is finally listening to developers (albeit with a Slashdot-level of negative attention), or are they simply trying to appease the crowd while they are still in the news due to their acquisition of GitHub? ---

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    Definitely the latter.

    Microsoft said they should be judged by developers based upon how they acted "in recent years." Well in recent years, Microsoft behaved exactly like the old "embrace, extend, extinguish" Microsoft of olde by (1) naming a product with a conflicting name to sow confusion, and (2) not changing the name when the conflict was noted.

    That leads me to believe that Microsoft is throwing a bone to developers, trying to get them to be less concerned about the github takeover.

    Microsoft does not spend billions of dollars on an acquisition because they want to be nice to others...

  17. WMD-FS by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Where's My Data File System

    1. Re:WMD-FS by antdude · · Score: 1

      Or Weapon of Massive Destruction-File System!

      Or DWMD-FS = Dude, Where's My Data File-System?

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  18. VGFS by AdamStarks · · Score: 1

    Virtual Git File System

    A quick Google search didn't reveal anything in tech with that acronym.

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  20. Re: "Thanks to Slashdot coverage"? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

    Nope traffic to Slashdot has plummeted and is not a factor. Anyway all coverage here is negative so why would anyone bother to read this garbage.

    And absolutely no one comments here any more. At all.

  21. LOL sure we'll rename it by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    MS says: "LOL we plan on owning GNOME and everything else in the future anyway, so sure we'll rename it because we'll be renaming everything later anyway"

  22. Just add two letters by chispito · · Score: 1

    GitVFS. Why make it difficult?

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    1. Re:Just add two letters by chispito · · Score: 1

      GitVFS. Why make it difficult?

      Well, it looks like that's what I get for not reading TFA

      No Git - As discussed, we don’t want it to be GitName or things like that – we don’t want to mess with Git’s name and the fact that it is vendor agnostic.

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    2. Re:Just add two letters by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      ...we don’t want to mess with Git’s name and the fact that it is vendor agnostic.

      This is directed at MS, not you chispito: and yet the "G" in the current acronym is "Git". How vendor agnostic is it, really?

  23. Not pressure, but worry ... by AlwinBarni · · Score: 1

    Thanks to Slashdot coverage and community pressure, Microsoft has now officially promised to rename GVFS to something else,

    I am pretty sure ;) the change is not due to pressure, but due to this proposal:
    https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

  24. Git Block Enumerated New Treasury by Drewdad · · Score: 1

    GitBENT

  25. FS4DDD by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    I would have FS4DDD File System For Developers, Developers, Developers...

    Or perhaps BFS Blamer File System.

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  26. Re:Too little, too late by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

    Uh, no... Microsoft used an internal version of Perforce called Source Depot for version control prior to the switch to git.

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  27. Re:Too little, too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Their complete lack of clue is making them being worth more than Alphabet (Google) now. Truly an example of incompetence.

  28. Community Name Suggestion?? by galbreath · · Score: 1

    Gitty McGitFace Please

  29. \_()_/ by DarkTrancer · · Score: 1

    SameCrapDifferentName FS or SCDN-FS

  30. Re:Well this is refreshing. by jgdnavy · · Score: 1

    Stop doing this, it gets you a lot more goodwill than rolling it back.

    Does it though? At this point, there is enough bad will toward Microsoft that essentially doing nothing is not going to improve their reputation by much, anything they do that contributes to open source is automatically assumed to be the start of embrace, extend, extinguish or just assumed to be a small gesture to keep people off their back. By rolling back, they get positive reporting that they contributed to the open source, then additional positive reporting when they roll back the conflict. At this point relatively minor negative reporting of a name conflict almost rolls off Microsoft's back as noise given the general tenor of reporting on them.

  31. Consistent naming by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Funny

    To keep consistent with Microsofts other product names, they should call it "File server." Like how they have "Sql server" as the name for their sql server, and "office" as the name of their office suite, and "Disk Operating System" is the name of their first disk operating system.

    1. Re:Consistent naming by Megane · · Score: 1

      I hear that the name "Object File System" isn't being used. Maybe they could try that.

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  32. Others they just bought by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    This is no small thing, as small things go. Microsoft loves to name their products after the class of the product itself, e.g. Windows, Word.

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    1. Re:Others they just bought by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Sure,MS claimed a large amount of the space (although I disagree that Word was the class of the product, but there are a ton of other examples). But the worst example was Amazon's Lambda service.

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  33. Re:"Thanks to Slashdot coverage"? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    Lo, how the mighty have fallen. :-(

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  34. Simple - MGVFS or MSGVFS by TDDPirate · · Score: 1

    Simple and letting them off gently:

    MGVFS for Microsoft Git VFS
    or
    MSGVFS for MicroSoft Git VFS

  35. Microsoft is just protecting itself by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Is this an official sign that MIcrosoft is finally listening to developers (albeit with a Slashdot-level of negative attention), or are they simply trying to appease the crowd while they are still in the news due to their acquisition of GitHub?

    No, it's a sign that the GNOME brand is toxic. So toxic that even Microsoft doesn't want their products to be associated with it in any way. Even by mistake.

  36. GNOME developers by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    Might suggest: GTFO, for Git Terrabyte File Operations

  37. A dubious idea anyway... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Basically this makes git into a centralized version control scheme rather than distributed.

    There are limitations of a fully distributed scheme (not well suited for large binary files, for example), but the limitations did at least induce a healthy set of sensibilities in developers using git. Keep large binary blobs out of your build tree, keep things so that each device is a full backup of the critical stuff, etc.

    This will mainly cause people who use it on their github repository to have a harder time leaving and/or mirroring to other services... oh wait....

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    1. Re:A dubious idea anyway... by Junta · · Score: 1

      It makes a sparse checkout, ensuring that each 'clone' is inadequate to be a new master.

      Contrast with git, where the 'origin' could be utterly nuked and any developer who had been working on it could provide a restoration.

      Basically, GVFS is turning git into something more svn like, albeit with more local data mirrored.

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  38. How about GVxFS by mysidia · · Score: 1

    GVxFS - Git Virtual Filesystem or... Git Virtual eXtensible Filesystem

  39. GHVFS by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 1

    GitHub Virtual File System

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  40. Why did they bother? by The+Welcome+Rain · · Score: 1

    MS is being nicer here than there is any good reason to be. Slashdots and other webshits will not thank them, any more than they have thanked MS for giving away their solution to this problem for free and developing it in the open, with community engagement.

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  41. Slashdot level attention by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Yeah, nah. Slashdot level attention is not what it used to be. I mean it's nice to feel like a self important regular member of a large powerful community, but the reality is most companies couldn't give two shits about what goes on here on slashdot, and given the "attention" we give to stupid and mundane things they aren't wrong either.

  42. GFYS by sheph · · Score: 1

    Git Files Your Self.

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    1. Re:GFYS by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Go Fork Your Sister(s repo)

  43. Re:Why do Black People sing Rolling on the River? by Onymous+Hero · · Score: 1

    Reasonable troll I guess (as I'm replying to it), but the song you're thinking of is actually called 'Proud Mary' written by a white guy for the (excellent) band Creedence Clearwater Revival.

  44. WTFS by SLi · · Score: 1

    Call it What The F*** You Want Filesystem.

  45. The name should be obvious by dddux · · Score: 1

    The name should be obvious. MSVFS. Microsoft Shit Virtual File System.

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  46. Re:Too little, too late by dddux · · Score: 1

    I will threaten the bar owner at the corner with a gun to sell only my beer at the bar, so people will have no choice but to buy my beer, no matter the quality of it. Does that make me competent?

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