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George Lucas's Terrible Idea for Star Wars Episodes 7-9 (indiewire.com)
In an interview with James Cameron, George Lucas reveals what he'd planed for the final three Star Wars films:
"[The next three 'Star Wars' films] were going to get into a microbiotic world," he told Cameron. "There's this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force...." In terms of his storytelling, Lucas regarded individuals as "vehicles for the Whills to travel around in... And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force."
Lucas is confident that had he kept his company, the Whills-focused films "would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did 'Phantom Menace' and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told."
Lucas acknowledges in the interview that "Everybody hated it in 'Phantom Menace' [when] we started talking about midi-chlorians," prompting one Ars Technica editor to add "Because it was a really dumb idea." He speculates that if the final three Star Wars movies followed Lucas's original plan, "Imagine, if you can, our heroes shrinking down like the Fantastic Voyage to go meet some midi-chlorians."
Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."
Lucas is confident that had he kept his company, the Whills-focused films "would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did 'Phantom Menace' and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told."
Lucas acknowledges in the interview that "Everybody hated it in 'Phantom Menace' [when] we started talking about midi-chlorians," prompting one Ars Technica editor to add "Because it was a really dumb idea." He speculates that if the final three Star Wars movies followed Lucas's original plan, "Imagine, if you can, our heroes shrinking down like the Fantastic Voyage to go meet some midi-chlorians."
Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."
To be sure, it's a pretty stupid idea. But one can almost understand where he was coming from. Anything else, including the Extended Universe, would just have been variations on the pre-existing themes. New dark lord and/or war lord rises, picks up where Palpatine and Vader left off, and a ragtag band of rebels goes to war again.
You know, just like what's actually happening in the main Episode films.
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As bad as these ideas may have been, at least they weren't more of the 'social justice' that infects nearly all mainstream media these days.
The first two were made with passion. The rest are chasing dollars and it shows.
So you're saying could have been even worse than what we got so we should be grateful.
So what did George Lucas spend the money he got from the first 3 movies on? Magic Mushrooms?
Call me crazy, but I have a (morbid?) fascination of giving George Lucas a budget, isolating him from the fan community and press, and simply leaving him to his own devices to produce the Star Wars movies he visions.
Judging by the changes he's made to them already, I wouldn't expect them to be good, but nonetheless, it would certainly be interesting to see.
> every annoying SJW thing under the sun
Space women belong in space kitchens!
> At least he writes a coherent storyline
What? I take it you never watched the prequel trilogy.
subtle dig at the boring natural of the new movies, or just bad editing...
Whenever I see some millennial mouthbreather claiming that the prequels weren't that bad, or that Jar Jar is alright and that the new disney movies are much worse, I'm going to point them to George's comments here. That man lost his mind somewhere between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace, and all this does is cement that fact.
Did you just make an argument centered around The Phantom Menace having a coherent story line?
What a garbage movie.
Everything since then has been total crap.
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Hey look fanboys! Remember that mug in the cantina Han Solo might have taken a sip from We have a whole line of movies lined up about it. Isn't this exciting?
If Disney were in charge of Episodes 1-3 we'd see three more death star movies and a load of fan service.
Fuck fan service. How sad it is when any random hour of TV drama today is more interesting than Star Wars.
It's dumb in the same way the ending to Mass Effect 3 was dumb - introducing new elements into the storyline, right at the end, and shoehorning them in as some great answer to the conflict you created, without actually resolving the conflicts themselves - just dissolving them behind this lame new scrappy-do thought you just had.
The question is though... why did they commit the same error several times over with the NEW sequels also? Turning the tables upside down over and over, never actually explaining the philosophies, but just shaming any previous understanding and flippantly killing characters for drama. The premadonna Mary Sue character suddenly inventing lightspeed warfare, out of all the galaxy. Malus ex machina at every turn.
Listen - I understand that Star Wars isn't high cinema. I know it comes inspired from cheesy serial films, and pulpy hammy sci-fi hero stories. But for a film series worth THAT many billions of dollars, you'd think they'd at least want to hold to the odd integrity of the characters at least a little.
But for some reason, every writer that picks up the series wants to mind-swap the characters with some passion play for their favorite philosophical idea - make Luke and Han REALLY be talking about economic theory, or transcendence or whatever.
I definitely empathize with Mark Hamill leaving the role in open disgust. There were an endless number of ways any of this could have played out - it's just annoying to never see any sense of the original characters playing out, just their image used as crude tools to give a feeling, then switch message.
That's kind of how things roll out in big business though. Those that best posturing about being able to produce a thing are usually going to outmaneuver those that have a better plan, but are posturing less.
That's show business.
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A guy that directed two good movies (THX and SW Ep 4)....and sold toys up the wazoo...
When you consider that aliens living in your digestive tract are able to manipulate our hormones, make us hungry, control our immune system and more ... is it so hard to think that similar entities are a component of the 'force'?
Yes, it is. We want to live in a superhero world surrounded by cinema magic and sexy women and there is no room here for stupid tiny microbes. How could infinitesimal biojunk stimulate our fantasies in the way that our pea brains require?
...omphaloskepsis often...
...is like choosing between Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. Both choices suck.
Episode VII: The Whills To Power
Episode VIII: Triumph of the Whills
Episode IX: The Last Whills and Testaments
So, these are what episodes 7 through 9 wood have been?
Microscopic level, jar jar, Donald Glover... or just fully arch Finn
but there was some pretentious schmuck who filled Lucas' head with the idea that the movies were anything more than an homage to old pulp serials from his childhood. He suggested all this extra meaning that just plain wasn't there and it all went to Lucas' head. We have him to thank for crap like mideclorians and Lucas' mistaken belief that he could cut it as a script writer.
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To be sure, it's a pretty stupid idea. But one can almost understand where he was coming from. Anything else, including the Extended Universe, would just have been variations on the pre-existing themes.
I dunno about the "anything else" part.
I read a story somewhere about a hypothetical origin of the Sith, being a temple on a long-abandoned planet somewhere that still held a sort of sentient psychic malevolence. A story revolving around finding this out (the origins of the Sith), tracking down the planet, and the subsequent battle to destroy it might be pretty interesting. The original Sith don't need to be even remotely human, and could make for some creative backstory.
Part of good storytelling is creativity and color - things that are simply interesting to find out. Add a little surprise and unexpected development, enforce interior logic, and you've got the makings of a good movie.
Like *that's* never been done before...
I saw the first Star Wars film in theaters when it first came out. I thought, hey! Somebody's finally updated the old Flash Gordon movie serials with decent acting, writing, special effects, and other production values, what a great idea! (I did go out of the theater thinking that Lucas's American Graffiti was still the better movie, though not by much.)
Well, the subsequent Star Wars movies drifted away from that, and, while obviously they captured some people's imaginations, I quickly lost interest. I'm not saying my taste is better, I can't really defend the old Flash Gordon serials that much, but I do think redoing them in the right spirit is a path that could lead to something. I know about the Flash Gordon movie from 1980, I think the people who made that movie just didn't get it. Maybe they focused too much on the original comic strip and not enough on the serial with Buster Crabbe for their inspiration.
The guy comes up with some great ideas and should be paid to create storyboards - the concept of the pod race on Tatooine (stressing concept here, not necessary what was in TPM), the sabre duel between Kenobi/Jinn and Maul.
But - those ideas should be handed over to a competent writer to be used or discarded as need be. So midiclorians would have been nipped in the bud, and the Ewoks would have been limited to being the cuddly native teddy bears of Endor. Said screenwriter could have then gone with the first idea for VI, where it was escaped Wookie slaves that defeated "an entire legion" of the Emperor's best troops.
Same goes for Peter Jackson, who's Lucas complex metastasized after the LOTR trilogy. Every time I hear Guillermo del Toro's name I cry inside that he wasn't able to direct The Hobbit, instead of PJ.
People forget the Clone Wars 3D animated series was also Lucas' idea. And that his original ideas of the original trilogy were also terrible.
It's never just the leaders, it's also about the people around him. I'm sure if Lucas did get around to making 7-9, he'd have had people like Dave Filoni assisting him.
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HUGE misconception and misunderstanding:
Some people have argued (especially most of the movie journalists) that the Midichlorian thing ruined the "Force" concept. They said that it took away the mystisism and the whole magic. This is not the case! These people and I'm sure most people in general didn't understand what the Midichlorians were all about. The magic and the mystic setting of the Force has not been diminished one bit. The whole issue has actually been brought to a more detailed level that makes us understand how the whole thing works. Lets continue...
The critics and most people thought that the midichlorians turned out to be the force. As if the midichlorians are the force. And these people have completely misunderstood the whole thing. If you look deeper and understand what the midichlorians are you will find out it was an ingenious and very necsesary addition to Starwars. And it basically explains everything that was missing from the whole force issue.
How come just anyone in the SW universe cannot recieve the necessary training, put on a robe, pickup a lightsaber and become a jedi? How come only a rare minority are able to become a jedi? How come no matter how hard most people were to train, they could never attain those abilities? What makes that selected few so special?
HERE IT IS:
The Force is a powerful and mystical energy field that surrounds, combines and penetrates us. It surrounds all living and none living things. It exists in the essence of all existance. It is an ever powerful, supernatural, predominant phenomenon that is everywhere in the universe. That, is what The Force is and nothing in TPM tampers with the above defenition of it. (The concept of midichlorians does not tamper with or degrade the force at all, hence the misconception I talked about - Lets see what the midiclorians are...)
The Midichlorians are not "the Force", and do not CONTRIBUTE anything TO the force. The force exists with or without the Midichlorians. Or in other words: The Midichlorians have nothing to do with the Force's existance. The force is the almighty, mystic, supernatural power as we have known since the OT (and as I have described above) whilst the Midichlorians are a life form - But a very special lifeform ==> The Midichlorians enable us to be aware of the Force's existance. - Qui Gon in TPM:" Without the Midichlorians, we would have no knowlidge of the Force. They continualy speak to us telling us the will of the Force".
(Look at all the implications in these last few lines: being aware of the forces existance; implies that the Force exists whether we had known about it or not, and had the Midichlorians had existed or not. "Telling us the will of the Force"; really tells us about the greatness of the force and how humble we and the midichlorians are.) Now lets move on to the main issue...
WHAT ARE THE MIDICHLORIANS ALL ABOUT AND WHY WAS IT SO NECCESSARY TO INTRODUCE THEM?:
Why is that only a very few are able to become Jedi? What is the special element about these people? Remember Midichlorians reside within all living cells, in all living things. Everyone has the Midichlorians. And they are not mere microbes they themeselves are a very special and mystical lifeform; Remember: "Without the Midichlorians life could not exist" and "They continually speak to us telling us the will of the Force". Here is the answer and I think you're gonna like it:
An excessive amount of Midichlorians enables that person to go beyond the one way relationship with the Force ==> Instead of just being under the influence of the force (like all living things), it enables him to interact with it. To tap into the force; to "Use the Force". To Enter it's vast area of influence and manipulate objects and other living things; To attain lightning-quick reflexes and an explicit sense of awarness of the future, the past and of all his surroundings through the forces control over destiny... => (think RUSSIANS here) To becom
Darth Roundhead as director for ep 8. And they want to give him a whole trilogy. Sometimes you have to wonder if God really exists and he is REALLY just doing it for the lulz.
I wish he'd had a chance to make them. They would've bombed at the box office because they wouldn't have been exactly the same as the others, but it'd be an original work instead of another clone.
this is the best idea ever. This is immediately better than SW 7/8. I'm not even trolling. Those were terrible. I want to see this. I want to see Annihilation, StarWars style.
Knows when to stop painting. Many artists ruin their own work trying to add just one more element after stepping away from it.
Dumbass. SciFi job is not making accurate predictions, it is to reflect the present... With one conceit.
Some guy no one has heard of also has terrible ideas for Star Wars 7-9!
An alternate Star Wars 7 plot
Ideas for Episodes 8&9 after seeing Episode 7
Could the Phantom Menace be Fixed?
And, um, Frog Wars.
Read and enjoy. Or don't.
The inevaduhble organics/synthetics concept was shot when you had the chance to make peace between the Geth and the Quarians. If I were to ever win a large Powerball, I'll commission Netflix to make a Mass Effect series. First to make sure Femshep makes lots of little blue children, and the second is to come up with a real ending to the series.
So would it have been a ripoff of a wrinkle in time or Osmosis jones?
I read his comments a few days ago and thought that, while it sounded goofy, at least it would be different.
The whole point of science fiction is you can do anything you want. A main character can be a cloud of gas, or a planet. What they you do? Another fascistic bad guy who has magic powers and uses a giant gun to blow up planets. AGAIN. As awful as the prequels were, at least they tried to do some new things.
I didn't care that much for Rogue One as a whole, but at least it was different.
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Which is why after they separate everything Star Wars goes to shit. Lucas is a hack, an needed someone to control him and give him direction. Without it what you get is Jedi onward: garbage.
When his wife, who was the true author behind the first two movies, left him and took half the money that was rightfully her's Lucas in turn hide away on his ranch on cocaine mountain with Carrie Fisher. Good times I imagine, but sure did lead to a shitty third movie... and subsequent prequels and additional whoring for money.
It probably would have been better acted and directed as well.
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Did you just make an argument centered around The Phantom Menace having a coherent story line?
It had. Jar Jar Bink was supposed to be revealed to be Darth Plagueis in the following movies, and the "phantom menace" of the title, hidden in plain sight. It would have worked weren't for Jar Jar having been written in such an exaggerated goofy way, with his Sith powers so subtly shown (you can actually notice them if you pay extreme attention to minor details of his acting, such as him moving his mouth and speaking the phrases of other mind-tricked characters a split second before they actually speak), that people absolutely hated it all. So Lucas scrapped that idea and went somewhere else with the prequel trilogy, which made it even worse than it would have been otherwise.
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Science Fiction was badly damaged by the space cowboy shit that Lucas and his gang brought. The new wave SF of the 70s was awesome: Ellison, Pohl, Ballard, Sturgeon, LeGuin, etc.
The Star Wars crap sucked the oxygen out of the SF subculture. It took decades to recover (Meiville, Vandermeer, etc.)
Episode IX would have featured one of the Whills rising to a position of unquestionable leadership among the Whills, twisting their purpose and ultimately attempting to exterminate the non-humanoid races from the galaxy.
The Title would have been:
"Triumph of the Whills"
Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."
Why?
Granted, his last works don't exactly give me much confidence, but those movies they made instead, let's just cut the crap and agree that they were bad. Really, really bad. They were so bad that the one thing they were good at was being material for CinemaSins.
Most movie outlines, when given in elevator-pitch format, sounds either silly or trivial.
Probably, Lucas' change there would have ruined it, especially as it came from nowhere (watched in chronological order, these midi-chlorians are mentioned what, twice, then not spoken about for 5 or so movies, then suddenly they are at the center of the story?).
But what they did with the movies instead definitely ruined it. The last one especially was cringe-worthy.
But both of these competing concepts are a great example of how Hollywood works: Milk everything to the max, and make sure that the discussion about it never ends. When people stop talking about your shit between franchise releases, stir up some controversy to keep the juice flowing.
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Sorry, but I'm a Jar Jar fan. The Force channels power through his clumsiness. That's rare in cinema. (Scooby Doo & Shaggy don't count because not backed by supernatural powers.)
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You'll have to make him as hungry as he was before SWIV, you have to make him young, you have to provide a team of talented nobodys with a lot of chemistry for actors, and an excellent crew who know when to take over. And even then the chances are it will be a flop.
George Lucas is one lucky mother fucker!
The Force Awakens showed that Disney has the ability to make a movie that looks and feels like a Star Wars movie ought to. Its plot wasn't the best, but I cut them a lot of slack, figuring that movie had a crushing load to carry (it had to not fail, and it had to not have all the fans hate it) so it made sense that the plot was loaded up with things that we'd seen before.
I was looking forward to the next one... and then it was The Last Jedi which is just a bleak mess. Oh well.
Disney can manage the look and the feel. They just need to get a good story and let it play out properly on screen and we could yet get watchable Star Wars movies.
So now we find out that George Lucas's big vision was to do a new trilogy about mystical creatures being the power source for The Force? He still thinks midichlorians was a good idea, and he wants to use that for the new trilogy? That actually sounds worse than The Last Jedi to me.
George Lucas seems to be getting worse over time. I thought ewoks were kind of annoying... then, Jar Jar Binks... now "Whills"? I'm glad that didn't happen.
The original Star Wars movie was actually pretty terrible in its rough cut. Deft editing saved it, and Lucas had three people helping him sort out the edit. Then Empire Strikes Back he handed off script and directing to other people, who did a great job. Then in the prequel trilogy, he wrote and directed and what we got was exactly what he intended... and it wasn't great. He needed other people pushing back on his bad ideas and helping him in the areas where he is weak, and he didn't get that. His first idea went straight to screen and he was never forced to rework and improve. Lazy directing went straight to the screen. Nobody had the power to say "no" to him. Too bad.
P.S. If you haven't seen this, and you're a Star Wars fan, this is totally worth 20 minutes of your time: How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit
P.P.S. Oh wow, "Journal of the Whills" was part of George Lucas's original name for the movie! If you watch that video linked above, you can spot it on the picture of the first page of the script.
But even if George Lucas insists that this Whills/midiclorians thing was his original plan, I don't buy it. He was making things up as he went along. I'm certain that the plot point of Luke and Leia being siblings wasn't invented in time for the first movie, or else they would have probably skipped her giving him a peck on the cheek for luck; original concept art had everyone armed with glowing swords, not just a few characters; etc. A lot of what we love was added during the process of making the movies, and much of it came from creative contributions from people who were not George Lucas.
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He clearly wanted to go from a movie cult figure to real world religious cult leader with tax exempt status, fanatic followers who labor endlessly in near slavery conditions, an ever shrinking paranoid inner circle who feed his delusions of grandeur and fight for eventual control of a vast empire (pun intended) that uses subterfuge, violence and intimidation to control the destiny of millions.
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Understand that he learned his grammar from watching Yoda during his early years, so sometimes you have those moments of "wtf is this guy saying" He said he was, and I quote:
medaling over US elections
He's saying that he was making medals to award to the winners of US elections when the elections were over, only in Yoda speak. This means that he gave Trump a medal, which was his proudest moment in life, hence he mentions Trump occasionally.
It would have been more memorable than anything Disney's done. Disney's movies have been boring and insulting, Lucas's trilogy would've made everyone's brain explode.
I loved pod racers in star wars I. That was awesome. Would have been a great movie if not for a certain maximally annoying gungan who shalt not ever be named.
Otherwise death stars, death planets, resurrecting x-wing v tie fighter, abusing the force and otherwise attempting to milk recasting of the same tired story over and over again is not something I care to see. Give me Lucas's terrible ideas any day over senseless regurgitation.
The only thing I remember about the last star wars was the senseless killing of Admiral Ackbar. With fish face so went my interest in the franchise.
Just be glad that Irvin Kershner directed The Empire Strikes Back. Lucas probably would have Wachowski'd[1] that movie if he had directed it, and then Star Wars would as we know it wouldn't exist today, because nobody would have gone to see the 3rd movie.
[1] Wachowski'd (v). to drive a popular movie franchise straight into the ground, to the point where the majority of fans of the original disavow the existence of the sequels. Oh, and then they both changed their gender? WTF. Can you imagine George Lucas decided to become Georgia Lucas?
Sure, ep 7 was okay and had everyone excited for 8.
But then 8 killed off all that excitement and turned 7 to shit.
I'm curious where Lucas could have taken this. More curious than I am about anything else in the Star Wars universe.
So the Force was just body thetans all along? Now that's some quality sci-fi!
I'm tired of people saying this would've been horrible. Bad ideas are turned into good stories just as easily as good ideas are turned into bad stories. Hppens all the time. It's all about the writing & ability to make something enjoyable. A good director and screenwriter can make any idea work for a large audience. Personally I would like to have seen how this would've played out. Would've taken Star Wars in a fresh new direction, even if it didn't seem like Star Wars. Couldn't have been worse than The Last Jedi.
George Lucas continues to prove, no, INSISTS upon proving, that he is the worst person to handle his own properties. He comes up with kickass ideas, but, left too long in his hands, he finds incredible ways to completely screw them up. At a certain point, you have to stop painting, otherwise, it just looks like a mess.
The Last Jedi.
The Wind in the Door, the sequel to a Wrinkle in Time, dealt extensively with mitochondria and their ficticious sub-organelles called farondolae. It was pretty terrible.
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My own take: the trump non sequiturs are to illustrate that these midicholrians are real and operating in this world
I'm surprised no one has mentioned "The Secret History of Star Wars" by Michael Kaminski yet. I think the first few versions were online, and as it kept growing it eventually became a book you can buy (626 pages). It has over 900 references and starts with the background the movie was made against. Very interesting reading about how the first movie came to be.
Is it just me that find Star Wars tedious, badly-written shite?
I mean, I wasn't around when the first came out. Maybe I missed the cult-train on that, but it was never anything more than a poor sci-fi movie to me. Not even "comparing the technology", it still had tons more CGI etc. in it than anything else for years afterwards, but I never found anything about the movie compelling. The "classic" sequels were just more of the same dross. People in teddy-bear costumes. It was like a very bad episode of Star Trek, after the budget had run out, but then tacked on with expensive CGI.
Then a lapse in time, in which possibly the "best parts" of the whole thing came out - the video games. The old DOS X-Wing / Tie-Fighter games were great. Because it was the cool bit of the films put into your hands with the sound effects.
I literally haven't even seen any of the "prequels" all the way through. I couldn't stand them. It was more of the same but with some decent-quality camera work and costuming, but stuck alongside the old dross.
I honestly can't fathom what's interesting about the storyline at all. It's a Star-Trek episode at best, in terms of concept. The early films remind me of poor 80's things like Flash Gordon. Fabulous and cultish but if you watch with anything approaching a modern critical eye, they are utter trash with a soundtrack
And it died off. In the 90's, Star Wars died and was just history, and became unpopular. Then it revamped and everyone went mad for it again.
I'm a geek and I'm often assumed to be both a Trekkie and a Star Wars guy and I honestly can't stand either. I can suffer watching an episode but I'm smirking to myself the whole time (and Patrick Stewart face-palming too).
I honestly don't get why. The acting is poor. The CGI is ruined by the crap (whether that's CGI characters or the complete lack of consistency by using CGI and bear-suits in the same scene). The storyline is quite literally "good versus evil". The dialogue is either twee or literally so dull I switch off (reminds me of parts of the Matrix sequels).
I don't get what's there to make a multi-million-dollar franchise. I certainly don't get what's in the plotline to actually get upset about.
I would honestly rather watch Spaceballs on loop.
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She took his ep4 script and turned it into something that wasnâ(TM)t crap.
Unfortunately she was no longer involved by the time we got the jar jar bunks ep1 mess and all the completely moronic George mess of sheer stupidity that followed. If we had her around through every movie Iâ(TM)ll bet ep1-3 and 7-9 would have been as good as 4-6. Sadly for fans that was not the case.
When it came to cinemas around I watched star wars original movie (that would be star wars 4) like 30 times in a 6 weeks period in which I hardly visited school. This ended of course with a big shout from my father but the I still recall the fascination with which I was watching it over and over again. I was not so excited about any of the other movies of which parts 1-3 I had to use force to watch. As I did not have any I used beer instead. Part 7 was ok although I already started to wish tat empire wins for a change. In part 8 this wish became almost as strong as a wish to quit in the middle. I left the cinema after an hour or so. Roque One was quite something comparing to parts 7-8 a story and a movie worth the name. Part 8 ended the main stream of SW movies tho. I do not think I will spend a buck on a ticket for part 9 if it ever gets made. I think I converted to dark side eventually.
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And original too! Disney is making to same space operas with a little more diversity. The midi-chlorians "never bother me away". The ethic stereotypes are the whole problem, IMHO. But studio executives and the teeming masses cannot handle too much originally.
Created by Bill Mantlo of Rocket Racoon and ROM, while trying to sell a toy line, the Micronauts comics are pretty fascinating. And they take place within a microverse. They do manage to link over with the Marvel universe IIRC, although I haven't read more than a handful of issues.
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you seriously don't understand how the warp shenigans in tfa and tlj break up 100% of all point in the plots in 4,5,6 and even rogue one?
1) warp drives can be engaged into capital ships as weapons.
2) you can bypass planetary shields with warp drives.
3) planet masses no longer matter.
also i gather that they break large parts of the plot in solo too...
the new stuff is actually worse than lucas's terrible ideas. they break contuinity. it's like if you put a device in star trek that let you teleport people in 0 ms to the klingon homeworld.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."
Disney is way worse.
Sounds like a pretty arrogant opinion to me. It must be quite a burden knowing what a painting should look like or what note the musician should have played.
I agree that Lucas's vision sounds awful but the franchise is not in safe hands with Disney either. They are also clearly going down the "lets fuck the whole thing up" road.
I mean look at Solo. What a turd that was. Even I, a longtime Star Wars fan actually fell asleep in the theater and couldn't wait for the movie to finally end, it really was that insipid and BORING.
"New Star wars are too similar" vs "Prequels aren't similar enough"
Friggin' pick one already.
And if you think there's a third route, "make them just similar enough", enjoy another twenty Pirates of the Caribbean movies.
If you think you can write a better Star Wars, hurry up and do it already.
It would still be better than the garbage that disney has been pumping out!
If you love Star Wars, you love it because George Lucas had a vision. And, if you don't want to see his whole vision play out, then you really don't love Star Wars. Whatever Disney is making isn't his actual vision, just an interpretation of it with a splash of their own ethics and ideas tossed in. It stopped being Star Wars the moment Lucas lost control. And, whether you love or hate his fantasies, anyone who watched his movies were witnessing his vision. I don't agree he shouldn't be able to direct the outcome of something he created. If there is a subatomic universe in his fantasy world, then there is a subatomic universe and you can all go screw yourselves. Who are you to decide what Star Wars is or isn't? You didn't author it, Lucas did.
... this new "intermediate" space would be very sci-fi ! =D
Aside from a fan theory and the details in the film you refer to (which are subject to interpretation), is there any actual evidence this is true, e.g. did Lucas (or someone else in the know) state this was the original intent?
None. It is entirely a fan theory, and a stupid one at that.
And Deckard is not a replicant. GOML.
did Lucas (or someone else in the know) state this was the original intent?
Almost. Jar Jar's voice actor hinted strongly that the story was moving in that direction, see here: Star Wars: The Darth Jar Jar Binks theory is partially true, says actor.
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Space women belong in space kitchens!
Of course. Who's gonna serve the blue milk, Uncle Owen?
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I mean the story was told, everyone liked it, move on. Continuing it just makes a mess of everything obviously. Find a new story/universe to tell.
Neuromancer? Snowcrash?
I liken The Hobbit to that adage of When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail...
The problem I think was budget and corporate greed. In that after the success of the LOTR movies Jackson got a boatload of money to make The Hobbit. The reason they gave him a boatload of money, is so they could make a boatload of money. They do that by making the movie into a blockbuster, then making it span three long movies. I mean this made sense for LOTR, as it was 3 actual books and each book was like 500 pages, a total of 1500 pages of material. The hobbit was less than 150 pages TOTAL. What they did was drag it out for profits, you can only do that so much with original material before you just have to start making stuff up. Anyway bottom line is Jackson got paid, and the movies made tons of money, so that is why the Hobbit became what it was in the movies. I think as a director, he was more less "directed" to do that, or was specifically hired under the assumption that he would.
If Jackson had a smaller budget, only made one movie, I think we obviously would have saw something much different, and perhaps better.
On a somewhat unrelated side note the much maligned Battlefield Earth is an example of the opposite side of that same coin, when you take a book of 1200 pages or so of materials and make it into a 1.5h movie, a lot of stuff is going to get lost in translation (bad acting etc aside just saying it was doomed to start)...
nice April fools joke yea I know it's June but there is no way this can be anything else
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There is no way he was serious... no way, come on, micobiotic world??!! Good for you George, you trolled Slashdot and who knows how many other sites and people.
Why are their nostrils so big? Because God held them by the nose when he applied the first coat of paint.
Why are the palms of their hands and the bottom of their feet only half black? Because god had them assume the frisk position (against a wall) for the second coat.
His idea couldn't be any worse than what we've already got, TLJ is really the worst blockbuster movie ever.. it's really crap CRAP..
I strongly recommend How Star Wars was saved in the edit. It even shows some of the Star Wars rough cut that was so poorly received before reediting. It shows a number of the editing tricks used to tighten things and how to even rewrite parts of the movie.
I'll just say... Marcia Lucas was a fucking genius. That's why she won an Academy Award for Best Editing on Star Wars.
No. He's a Cylon.
I like the idea fine from the Enders Game books.
Neuromancer? Snowcrash?
Exceptions that prove the rule.
Though '80s sci fi was stuck in a cul-de-sac of existential crap anyway, regardless of Star Wars distorting the general public's view of sci fi.