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Microsoft Re-Launches Its Classic 'IntelliMouse' (hothardware.com)

An anonymous reader quotes HotHardware: Every so often, a company will tap into our penchant for nostalgia. That is the case right now with Microsoft bringing back its iconic IntelliMouse, which was first introduced back in 1996... Microsoft continued to update the IntelliMouse for several years, up through 2003 when it released the IntelliMouse 3.0. The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 is based on that 15-year-old design with the same classic ergonomic look and feel, but with improved performance and features built around modern technology.

So, what exactly is different? "We improved two really important factors, the tracking sensor and the tactility and feel of the buttons. What we know our fans will see and feel is that it's the exact same shape and size of the IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 from 2003. However, underneath the hood it's all brand-new technology, brand new mechanical engineering and brand-new structures so it's a lot more rigid than the original. The build quality is really excellent," Microsft explains.

HardOCP notes that Microsoft has also released "a fantastic Rube Goldberg machine video unveiling the mouse."

133 comments

  1. The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    New for 2018: a different spelling for "IntelliMouse".

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    1. Re: The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every so often, a company will acknowledge that their newest products are sh!t.

      -ftfy

    2. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by fisted · · Score: 2

      Let's hope it's as good as the old ones... Literally the only Microsoft product I use is an old IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 a friend of mine (hardcore gamer at that time, so it had already received a lot of abuse) gave me once the 4.0 or whatever came out. That was around 2004; I use it a lot, every day, and apart from replacing the micro switches once after they got bouncy; it's still going strong. Built like a tank, although my fingers have long since worked through the surface coating.

      Anyway, given the extreme quality of this good old device, I conclude all Microsoft really had to do with it, is slapping their logo on it (fortunately 14 years of hand sweat has removed that, too).

    3. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I agree, I really liked my "slim" version. One of the best MS products I've ever used. And likely the only one I'd actually pay for for myself to use (using Office365 at work doesn't count in my book)

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    4. Re: The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      I still use a Microsoft Sidewinder (not the X5, the original). It was a pretty hardcore piece of kit 'in the day' and fits my hand a lot better than claw grip mice. When it finally dies I will be sad. While it won't give an IBM Model M a run for it's money in longevity it's what, 10 years old now?

    5. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by cre1mer · · Score: 0

      I was a big fan of the IntelliMouse back in the day. These days I'm using either Logitech mouse for gaming or a trackball for desktop.

    6. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I used to use their "notebook" mice on my PC. They only lasted a year or so so I bought a stock of them when they were in the bargain bins. I've got none left now though.

      Microsoft have made some good mice.

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    7. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by DeBaas · · Score: 1

      If it hadn't been for the Evoluent vertical mouse I would still be using an IntelliMouse also. Still use a MS Ergonomic keyboard. For years I kept a collection of Gen 1 Natural keyboards alive (including PS2->USB adapters), but the 4000 model is a good replacement so those are now gone.
      Now if they would finally make a keyboard that is able to lock the caps-lock, which I never use anyway.......

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    8. Re: The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. The Sidewinder was the first (and only) mouse I've found that had the thumb buttons arranged vertically instead of horizontally. And personally, it was the only mouse I've seen where I could actually use both thumb buttons easily without having to shift my grip of the mouse. The horizontal arrangement of thumb buttons is in my opinion the worse ergonomic decision ever made.

    9. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by caseih · · Score: 1

      I still have a bunch of natural keyboards. Mine are all USB and PS/2. They are great keyboards. Spill water on them, though, and they are done. It seems to oxidize the contacts.

      The Natural 4000 keyboards are also very good, but I've been through four of them in the last 6 or 7 years, and they all seem to fail in the same way. Invariably a couple of keys just stop working. Possibly one line of the switch array goes bad. I've tried to fix them, but the flimsy circuit plastic isn't repairable.

      I've finally settled on the Adesso Tru-Form Media 208 usb keyboard. It took me quite a while to get used to the slightly different geometry from the Microsoft keyboard, but now I really like it. A great feel, and not too many extra media buttons on it. I hope it never dies because I can't seem to find too many places that still sell this version. Plenty sell the wireless version, or the version with integrated touch pad.

    10. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was a big fan of the IntelliMouse back in the day."

      No one cares. Back in the day? What day? When you were befriending 8 year old girls in New York City?

    11. Re: The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by fuzzywig · · Score: 1

      Personally the side of my thumb knuckle rests on the 'back button', and the side tip of my thumb rests on the 'forward button', so I don't need to shift my grip at all to use either button. (Although on the vertical mouse I use, I often rest my thumb a little lower than the buttons)

    12. Re:The new 'Classic IntellMouse' for 2018 by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Yep, still have my Intellimouse Explorer v1. The only thing I've done to it is unscrew it and cut the internal harness back and reattach it after it started having some intermittent connection problems a few years back.

      It's a tank.

  2. Too many buttons by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    There are too many buttons if it left off the extra buttons that its added then it would be more of a classic and would be worth considering.

    Left right scroll is enough, most other buttons are accidentally triggered and can slow you down.

    1. Re:Too many buttons by CaseCrash · · Score: 1

      Left right scroll is enough, most other buttons are accidentally triggered and can slow you down.

      Are you insane? I regularly use a mouse with 13 buttons and only very rarely accidentally hit one.

      For gaming it's absolutely better. And for regular work, being able to set up common tasks as simply a button click is super helpful.

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    2. Re:Too many buttons by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      Honestly it depends on what you are doing. Gaming, sure why not ,but a lot of interfaces are pretty much set up for 1 or 2 buttons + scroll. Sure if it's your machine you can set up the extra buttons to do whatever but on a work machine , not really.

      I think there is a sideways click you can do with a scroll wheel in some browsers which takes you back a page. It's annoying since for me the previous page is a login page. When all that was wanted was to scroll up or down to see specific data. These extra buttons are not helping.
       

    3. Re:Too many buttons by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 2

      Are you insane? I regularly use a mouse with 13 buttons and only very rarely accidentally hit one.

      Amateur. I couldn't use anything less than my 18 button mouse.

  3. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wake me up when trackballs are cool again.

    1. Re:meh by Misagon · · Score: 2

      Then you overslept. Trackballs have been cool for a long time.

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    2. Re: meh by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 2

      I have a Kensington Bluetooth trackball that is awesome. I also have a Logitech trackball that connects over the Logitech URâ"my only complaint is that the keyboard misbehaves occasionally with the console switch. My biggest frustration is when I have to use a computer that only has a mouse.

    3. Re: meh by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      I could never (personally) get behind the small style trackballs but I respect your personal preference. The only ones I ever cared for were the old pool ball sized models. You could 'palm' those and they had enough mass you could get some extra travel.

    4. Re: meh by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 1
      The Kensington is the cue ball sized one and I agree that it is superior to the Logitech. I only use the Logitech because the UR receiver works fairly well with the KVM. The Kensington does Bluetooth or proprietary dongle, but I use it in Bluetooth mode with my computer.

      I would love to find a KVM that connects a Bluetooth trackball and keyboard with USB going from the KVM to the computers.

    5. Re: meh by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      So we agree then. I know it's cheaper to make those weird thumb ball things but it's mostly just a 1990s era mouse turned on it's back.

    6. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they really were, laptops should have them instead of wasted space called trackpads. I'll stay with trackpoints for precision

  4. trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now bring back the trackball. Please. nice big ball, contoured to your hand, buttons in the right spots. Too bad they have moving parts that do wear out.

    1. Re:trackball by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Nice big ball, contoured to your hand, button in the right spot.

      Giggity.

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    2. Re:trackball by David_Hart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now bring back the trackball. Please. nice big ball, contoured to your hand, buttons in the right spots. Too bad they have moving parts that do wear out.

      Still exists... Take a look at the Kensington Expert Mouse... plus, they have a 5-year/3-year warranty for the wired/wireless version.

      I've tried their wireless versions and I always go back to the wired version due to inteference/lag. I haven't tried the newest Bluetooth version yet, though. However, wireless is much less important for a proper trackball than it is for a mouse.

    3. Re:trackball by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      New ones don't help. There is still lag with bluetooth.

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    4. Re:trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Precision of a mouse? Have you heard of pointer acceleration? Move the ball a full rotation to go a handful of pixels or larger movements to cross multiple screens. I can have as fine control as I want, and the ability to launch the cursor to the edge of the screen where the menus/dock are with just a flick. Much more accurate for drawing, playing and working.

    5. Re:trackball by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      Trackballs are great for HTPCs. Or any other PC that are in a place that you can not have a flat plane to move a traditional mouse.

    6. Re:trackball by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

      Not really an equivalent to the Microsoft trackballs - take a look at this

      Admittedly, the MS product is right-hand only, unlike the Kensington, but it fits the hand very well indeed.

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    7. Re: trackball by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 1
      The Bluetooth works reliably with my computer as far as I can tell, though I do not game.

      The only issue I have is that the Bluetooth occasionally does not connect when the laptop (Mac) is sleeping. This issue also applies to the Bluetooth keyboard, so I do not think it is a flaw in the trackball. When this happens, I have to wake the laptop up with the physical keyboard and occasionally go to settings to get the laptop to sync to the Bluetooth devices.

    8. Re:trackball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, "pointer acceleration"? Are you fucking kidding me or do you really have no clue? Pointer acceleration is software interpolation and extremely inaccurate.

      You let me know when your trackball has a PMW3366 sensor and 12,000 DPI of hardware resolution.

    9. Re:trackball by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Kensington Expert Mouse.

      Have been using them for 20 years.

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    10. Re:trackball by wikthemighty · · Score: 1

      It will be a sad, sad day for me when my Logitech TrackMan Marble FX dies. :(

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    11. Re:trackball by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Now bring back the trackball. Please. nice big ball, contoured to your hand, buttons in the right spots. Too bad they have moving parts that do wear out.

      Still exists... Take a look at the Kensington Expert Mouse... plus, they have a 5-year/3-year warranty for the wired/wireless version.

      I've tried their wireless versions and I always go back to the wired version due to inteference/lag. I haven't tried the newest Bluetooth version yet, though. However, wireless is much less important for a proper trackball than it is for a mouse.

      My local dollar store sells a wireless mouse for $4.00. It truly works like a charm. It has a high resolution scan system and automatic shutoff if the mouse is not budged for a few minutes. It takes 1 single AA battery.
      scroll wheel can click if tilted left/right or down. A much better deal than my logitech mouse for $20.00

      Given that a wireless mouse retails for $4.00, what do you think the manufactured cost of the MS mouse to be and what would be the marketing and distribution costs? Betcha it's under $10.00

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  5. First click! by rcharbon · · Score: 1

    C'mon...

  6. Like early Razer by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    But MS needs more side buttons. Windows 10 games crave side buttons.

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    1. Re: Like early Razer by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is the one we need. Sadly it looks like something Darth Vader shat out after an 18 hour crack binge on the sun and won't appeal to the general public.

    2. Re: Like early Razer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $150 LOLOL

    3. Re: Like early Razer by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      If it's not ambidextrous it's not worth having.

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  7. Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    Seriously, *that* was supposed to show off the mouse?

    I'd like to know why a lot of money was put together for a video announcing a mouse when it's only shown for 11s of a 120s video?

    1. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I'd say the marketing people absolutely know what they're doing.

      The target demographic being "nostalgic IntelliMouse users", they'll already have recognized the mouse at the beginning, the middle Rube Goldberg Machine part is to increase the nostalgia felt toward the mouse to increase the desire to buy one and it ends with the new model to further increase that desire with a "oh, new shiny" shot of the product, just long enough to pique your interest but not enough time to let you make a rationale thinking about wether you need one or not.

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    2. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Cause they're embarrassed by having to resort to making mice again to generate revenue since Windows 10 is a huge flop and they have to bury that fact in 109 seconds of bullshit. Wouldn't surprise me if it will record your mice movements and send them to the mothership for data mining.

      I had Microsoft mice before (and a wireless G router once). The mice were great, reliable and a joy to use. The router on the other hand was abandoned early on by them and morphed into a security nightmare (kind of like their destktop software [OS's especially]). Once I figured out how to JTAG some firmware onto it it worked properly for a while until I bought an N router. Never again will I buy MS hardware.

      Logitech makes the best mice and keyboards...not Microsoft.

    3. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm not part of the target demographic.

      As noted in my second post, I actually care about what I interface to my computers with.

    4. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping for something as good as OK Go do, but for all MSFT's money, what a let down. Seriously underwhelming.

      That said, I wish they'd release a new Wheel Mouse Optical USB - no extraneous buttons, exactly the right weight and feel. I have one at home, one at work - I refuse to give them up.

    5. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by cre1mer · · Score: 1

      I've been using the Microsoft ergonomic split keyboards for 30 years. But I've always replaced the Dell keyboard at work with a Logitech keyboard ($20). If I brought a Microsoft keyboard ($60) to work, it would walk away from my cube overnight.

    6. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      The f*ck they do. Look at Windows 10...look at it. Tell me people wanted that abomination.

    7. Re:Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've been using the Microsoft ergonomic split keyboards for 30 years"

      Very interesting for a keyboard that's only been around for 24 years, you loose-lipped bovine fibber.

      https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.c...

    8. Re: Great Video but WTF Marketing People? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 may not look as nice as say Vista Ultimate, but the new UI does significantly increase usability in certain areas. Scaling and readability for those with aging eyes and/or high-DPI displays is the biggest improvement.

  8. Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Informative

    Looking at the Microsoft spec page for this mouse - https://www.microsoft.com/acce...

    I can see that it's only compatible with Windows 7 and up (although the way they say it's not customizable with Windows 10S is pretty awkward) so why would I buy it? I suspect that "compatibility" means "customizable" in terms of buttons and dots per inch and, somewhat ironically, it will work like the original Intellimouse on other systems.

    Personally, I demand that I go between systems with a minimum of mechanical transition; that means I use the same keyboard and mouse whenever possible for all my systems. OSX is always going to be problematic, but I think it's reasonable to expect to be able to have identical human interfaces on my Windows Linux systems.

    1. Re:Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      disappointing. I like these mice but not compatible with osx? no sale.

    2. Re:Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get a mouse that has hardware memory for it's settings - set it once in whatever OS is "supported" and save it to flash on the device. Then it just acts as a regular HID mouse in operating systems that aren't officially "supported".

      Logitech makes several devices that do this.

    3. Re:Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I can see that it's only compatible with Windows 7 and up (although the way they say it's not customizable with Windows 10S is pretty awkward) so why would I buy it?

      If people only bought hardware "compatible" with the OSes they run then Linux would barely run on anything. In other news the Surface Pro 3 is only "compatible" with Windows 8 and 10. Interestingly it has fully working native kernel modules in Linux for all the hardware despite how specific that hardware actually is.

      Mind you if you only bought "compatible" hardware you probably would give up with computers altogether. I mean have you ever actually found RAM from the QVL of a motherboard available at the same store where you bought your motherboard? Obeying rules of "compatibility" is enough to drive anyone insane.

    4. Re:Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have another recent microsoft mouse, and it works fine on GNU/Linux, but booting into windows changes it's defaults and then when rebooting into Linux you get an ultra-fast scroll wheel speed until it's turned off/unpluggerd.

    5. Re:Surprisingly Limited OS Compatibility by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Looking at the Microsoft spec page for this mouse

      I can see that it's only compatible with Windows 7 and up (although the way they say it's not customizable with Windows 10S is pretty awkward) so why would I buy it? I suspect that "compatibility" means "customizable" in terms of buttons and dots per inch and, somewhat ironically, it will work like the original Intellimouse on other systems.

      Personally, I demand that I go between systems with a minimum of mechanical transition; that means I use the same keyboard and mouse whenever possible for all my systems. OSX is always going to be problematic, but I think it's reasonable to expect to be able to have identical human interfaces on my Windows Linux systems.

      Windows 7 is the LOWEST version of Windows Microsoft currently supports. Support for Windows Vista and XP, the two previous versions of Windows, ended years ago.

      It doesn't mean it won't work elsewhere as a standard USB mouse, it just means that since Vista and XP are dead, Microsoft won't bother listing those OSes as supported.

      The app to customize it, which really means remapping buttons, was probably only tested on machines running Windows 7 as well. Microsoft wouldn't have tested on older machines.

      Linux and macOS users will see it a s a multi-button mouse and I'm pretty certain plenty of utilities for either OS will let you remap buttons as well. Given my Mac has an old IntelliMouse on it which I mapped the extra buttons to the windows and desktop management functions it wasn't hard to do.

      And looking around, it seems I've bought a lot of them over the years, only transitioning to Logitech wireless ones when I couldn't get those. There's probably a couple more at work.

      Guess I'll have to buy this mouse now.

  9. Great mice by DogDude · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I have to say that Microsoft makes the best mice on the market, as far as I can tell. I've got I think 4 different ones. Some small, some full sized. Some really wacky, like The Wedge. In an age of cheaper, cheaper, and cheaper, Microsoft seems to be the only maker of quality mice.

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    1. Re:Great mice by eyepeepackets · · Score: 1

      Funny, I think the same about the Logitech G502 gaming mouse.

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  10. Lacks a REAL middle-button by Misagon · · Score: 2

    It still lacks a real middle button. They could have added a real button instead of the weird bump before the scroll wheel.

    It is too difficult to not scroll by mistake when trying to press down the wheel. I mean, you can press accurately 95% of the time, but each of those of the 5% mis-clicks are errors that you should never have made.

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  11. Know what you like, like what you know by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    If the only car brand I ever owned was AMC which fulfills the requirements of "Some small, some full sized. Some really wacky, like The Pacer", I'd probably feel the same way about Microsoft mice.

    Next time you got to Best Buy, Frys, whatever, why don't you take a look at the competition?

    1. Re:Know what you like, like what you know by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Next time you got to Best Buy, Frys, whatever, why don't you take a look at the competition?

      I have looked. I've got some physical limitations that require me to look at all kinds of mice. The only other maker of mice that I've seen is Logitech, and theirs are all covered with tons of buttons for games. I'm not aware of any other mice manufacturers that aren't cut-rate Chinese junk.

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    2. Re:Know what you like, like what you know by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      I still recommend looking around.

      I'm really particular about mice and keyboards and I'm using a $7.99 "Minibird" gaming mouse on my systems right now: https://www.amazon.ca/ICAN-Min...

      Wired, excellent resolution that can be set on the mouse and only two side buttons for forwards and back (all that I want). The original has gone for two years and I have two others in constant use as well. I don't know why you can't see the mouse on Amazon.com - I got mine at Canada Computers for $7.99 CDN each.

      I tried it because I was frustrated with more expensive gaming mice that only lasted six to nine months.

  12. It has a cord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    *SOLD*

    1. Re: It has a cord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much. I hoard these things like gold. Cheap, solid, good sensor, lasts forever. MS did that bit of kit right.

  13. things it has in common with the original... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the name.

  14. It better have a cord by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    Not really "Classic" unless it's corded. Serial or PS/2 DIN. I might accept a USB 1.0.

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  15. I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In an age of cheaper, cheaper, and cheaper, Microsoft seems to be the only maker of quality mice.

    You didn't put much effort into looking.

    Logitech's mice and trackball offerings have always been more comfortable and maintainable. In both the ball and optical versions, the design and function that the extra few pennies bought me was worth it.

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    1. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      I had one of the first, uh, IntelliMice. It was neat because it was optical, and also had a usb to ps/2 adapter. However, the software wasn't always properly supported in all programs, and the cheap logitech optical mice had a better resolution. Now, all my mice are Logitech M325. USB, Optical, and wireless. Also, they don't have an unnecessary glowing LED on them to keep me awake at night.

    2. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such backwardness. A dumbmouse needs to be pushed around the desktop and have its buttons clcked by hapless users, just like with a dumbphone you have to ring and talk to other humans all the time and answer the dumbphone when it's not convenient and you don't wish to waste your time on the caller anyway.

    3. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Elecom are my current favourite for mice. They do multiple sizes so you can get the one that fits your hand best. Their wireless seems to be reliable too - I had problems with Microsoft wireless products dropping out before, especially in offices with lots of wireless devices.

      Oh, and the wheel is great too. I click the wheel a lot (middle mouse button) and most wheels, including Logitech's, are mushy crap that you end up accidentally rotating when you mean to click. Microsoft's were pretty good though.

      They make decent keyboards too. Nothing too fancy but their rubber dome keyboards are cheap and surprisingly good to type on. Nice tactile feel.

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    4. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      been more comfortable

      Opinion

      and maintainable

      What the hell is maintenance? Are you saying logitech mice need maintenance? Now there's a turnoff.

      Not the OP but I do remember looking at mice and finding logitech had at the time no cordless mice on offer to suit a full size desktop that didn't also come as some kit with a keyboard. I like my (logitech) keyboard and wasn't about to replace it, but I sure as hell wasn't about to play with some miniaturized laptop bluetooth mouse.

    5. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only a degenerate ideologue such as yourself would say a rubber dome keyboard has a "nice tactile feel."

      captcha: incest

    6. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Thanks buddy, I had a good chuckle at this.

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    7. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Logitech's mice and trackball offerings have always been more comfortable and maintainable.

      Comfort is personal preference isn't it? I have a Logi gaming mouse and the 720 but prefer my MS mouse over both even though it's cheaper.
      Maintenance for optical mice is non-existent.

    8. Re:I'll stick with Logitech, thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bought 2pcs make:Sumvision wireless mouse from an on-line retailer. The best mice I ever had .
      It needs only 1 AA type 1.5 V Battery
      This type of mouse is auto-switch off following switch -off PC ,hence battery lasts ages.
      Cost was only equivalent US$ 5.-

  16. Exposing the Secret Office 365 Forensics Tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'An ethical crisis in the digital forensics industry came to a head last week with the release of new details on Microsoft’s undocumented “Activities” API. A previously unknown trove of access and activity logs held by Microsoft allows investigators to track Office 365 mailbox activity in minute detail. Following a long period of mystery and rumors about the existence of such a tool, the details finally emerged, thanks to a video by Anonymous and follow-up research by CrowdStrike.'

  17. because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You miss having to clean the disgusting ball in the mouse every other day to get it to work acceptably.

  18. Too bad they didn't have this years ago. by taxman_10m · · Score: 1

    I was looking for an exact replacement. Went with the Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse because I couldn't find one. It's sufficient though.

  19. Did you know... by kackle · · Score: 1

    Did you know Microsoft's ball mouse uses 1/5th the power the optical ones do? It might be better for laptop/batteries. (I'm still using a 10+ year old Microsoft ball mouse at work.)

    1. Re:Did you know... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Are you nuts? Ball mouses were terrible collecting fibers and grime. Optical mouse was one of the best input upgrades you could get.

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    2. Re:Did you know... by kackle · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am nuts; but that aside, mouse cleaning completely depends on the environs. At work (a shop), I have to quickly wipe the bottom of it almost weekly; the internal axes need cleaning every other month. At home, every other month requires the bottom wiping - several months or more for the axes.

      It may sound silly to deal with, but using 5 times more energy and creating 5 times more pollution for the same functionality that we had before sounds silly to me. Before you balk at the low amount of power a mouse uses, consider that there are billions of them being used globally every day.

    3. Re:Did you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..
      I can't tell. Is this a troll post? you're talking maybe a 100ma at 5v. That's half a watt. The tracking on a ball mouse is substantially inferior even when it is clean.

    4. Re:Did you know... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting point, tho I wonder how it works out when all factors are considered -- there's less mass (shipping weight) and fewer moving parts in today's optical mice, so possibly less energy expended on manufacturing. Whether they last longer or not seems to be a toss-up; seen it go both ways.

      I liked my old ball mice, used on glass (not a mouse pad) but as the old ones wore out, seems the newer ones didn't track as well, or had poor DPI, or one way or another just weren't up to snuff. (Admittedly I don't buy expensive ones, but some of the cheapest lasted the longest.) So eventually I went to optical (for which the ideal surface seems to be an old rubber typewriter pad), and now use wireless because otherwise with my setup the cords are constantly a mess and a tripping hazard. (3 computers that will not agree to share input via a KVM. Not even the good Belkin KVM. Someday I need to try KVM-via-network.)

      Best mouse I ever had was a wireless infrared (rechargeable, with a ball) I got at DAK's fire sale... single-pixel accuracy combined with extreme yet perfectly controllable acceleration (twitch it a quarter inch and it flew all the way across the screen, yet stopped precisely on target). Unfortunately the IR connection was too slow for any system faster than a 286. But I still have one here in its original box. (And I still have my 286, too.)

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  20. Quite agree... by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

    I wish they'd bring back the Trackball Optical 1.0 - the one I'm using right now has an iffy scroll wheel.

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    1. Re:Quite agree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather they brought back the trackball explorer (it just needs wireless)

      Astonishing ergonomics and build quality (the least bad replacement I found is the Logitech M570, and it's miles behind and breaks after a few years. The trackball explorer could work a decade)

      There's a reason people hoard the last produced models and sell them for astronomical prices
      https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-D68-00007-Trackball-Explorer/dp/B00005853Z

    2. Re:Quite agree... by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I bought 2 Trackball Explorers in 2004, and both still work well in daily use. The combination of finger ball, thumb wheel, thumb buttons, and handrest are nearly unique. If/when one of those dies, I'll have to try something from ELECOM or check the state of the incomplete GameBall.

      I'd prefer a resurrected Trackball Explorer.

  21. Cords?? It needs BALLS! by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    None of this "Optical" shite - a man's mouse has balls.

  22. Is it still geared for righties? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    I could never get used to the shape when I used it with my left hand. It just felt... wrong.

  23. New and improved! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Includes Cortana integration, mandatory telemetry of all your clicks and movements, and ads displayed on the surface of the mouse!

  24. go with a Sound Blaster 16 or Ad Lib audio card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    huh?

    "and when one of the choices we faced was to go with a Sound Blaster 16 or Ad Lib audio card"

    By the time SB16 was around, AdLib as a company belong to Voyetra, which then went to Turtle Beach, but the AdLib card itself was way way way dead by then. It was AdLib card or GameBlaster -- even before the SoundBlaster(8). Trump has even infested "hotshitware".

  25. Disagree by YuppieScum · · Score: 1, Informative

    The MS trackball I'm using right now is as precise as any mouse I've used, whether in an IDE, PhotoShop, Premiere or gaming.

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    1. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Then you have only used shitty mice. There is no trackball around that has the precision engine nor the DPI that my mouse has. Plus a thumb isn't as controlled as a hand or arm.

    2. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you have only used shitty mice. There is no trackball around that has the precision engine nor the DPI that my mouse has. Plus a thumb isn't as controlled as a hand or arm.

  26. I need a real mouse for sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am tired of these non ergonomically mice that are completely made for style not comfort. Give something that fits in my hand , not just in my palm. I guess these traditional mice went away after the desktop PC started to die out. So everything was focused on mobile and carrying a mouse in a travel bag. The other day I got a new PC and it came with a basic optical wired full size mouse and you know what? It was absolutely the best I have used in a while.

  27. And Logitech, how about the MX Revolution? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    One other "legendary" (in my opinion) mouse would be the MX Revolution. It's defining feature is the "free wheel" scroll wheel.

    The sad part is that all of the following models are inferior to the one that came out in 2006. The only other one with an electronically controllable scrollwheel is the MX Master, and unlike the original, it doesn’t tilt. It also has reliability problems that the original didn’t have.

    I still have mine, works flawlessly. It came in replacement to... a Microsoft Intellimouse, that still work but whose sensor is showing its age.

  28. Trackball Explorer by maxbuzz · · Score: 2

    Now bring back the Trackball Explorer for a reasonable price.

    1. Re:Trackball Explorer by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 1

      Anything less than the $400-$600 they sell for on eBay is more than reasonable. I'd happily pay $300 for a brand new one that comes with zirconia oxide bearings installed from the factory. And I'd continue to buy them for the rest of my life. The only things that really wear out in them are the soft steel bearings that wear flat spots (hence the need for the zirconia oxide replacements you find when searching eBay for the device) and the meshing parts in the scroll wheel eventually start smoothing out and not properly cogging. I haven't stopped using these devices since they were first released, as my first trackball was the one MS released prior to them that had the little blue ball that sat in rollers to do the positional tracking. And I continue to buy replacements off eBay. Once in a blue moon you see a brand new unopened one go up for sale, but they're always in the $500-$600 range, heh. But you can get used ones that are in pretty reasonable shape for $125-$150 pretty regularly. They usually only require the bearings to be replaced.

  29. Hard to find a good mouse by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    Last time I went shopping for a mouse many years ago ended up with comfort mouse 6000 (S7J-00010). It's the best mouse I've owned so far. Only problem with it using scroll wheel as middle button is virtually impossible without having click register as a scroll.

    Apparently this new IntelliMouse suffers from losing track of where it is when moved rapidly. Reviews so far gamers seem to hate it.

    It's like they don't even bother testing hardware before release. These are all things that should have been easily identified and resolved prior to releasing product.

    I had a stockpile of old IntelliMouses for years because eventually the left and or right clickers would always break. The rough plastic material also really sucks. It always accumulated gunk that was impossible to remove. Shiny plastic like the comfort mouse is best because gunk slides right off and mouse always looks brand new.

    There seems to be a huge gap when it comes to wired mice.

    You either end up with some tiny cheap ambidextrous POS made by the lowest bidder, some crazy "ergonomic" BS or ridiculous "gamer" machination that looks like it came out of a transformers movie. Almost got a razer death mouse until I found out driver calls home and requires an Internet connection to work. No chance in hell.

    Companies that do nothing but HID like Logitech have all of a single wired USB mouse I would even consider (M500). I don't understand why mice are so screwed up.

    1. Re:Hard to find a good mouse by xlsior · · Score: 2

      Companies that do nothing but HID like Logitech have all of a single wired USB mouse I would even consider (M500). I don't understand why mice are so screwed up.

      Mostly because there is little money in the segment -- The vast majority of the market is served by $2 mice with zero profit that get bundled by Dell/HP/Whatever when grandma buys a new PC or thrown in a bulk bin at Big Lots, and a good chunk of the people who are willing to pay extra for a mouse are near-impossible to please gamers. To MOST people, mice/keyboards aren't even an afterthought

      Keyboards are similar: There's a lot of "could have been great" ones around, only to be completely ruined by the manufacturers decision to save $0.07 and go with a blatantly inferior type of plastic or non-standard key configuration. (e.g. no insert key, double-sized delete key -- seriously?)

      Too bad these new mice have the side buttons -- personally I prefer the Microsoft Wheelmouse Optical, and I didnt' realize that they were discontinued until it was too late. At that point all I could find anymore where mislabeled Chinese knock-off versions with greatly inferior scrollwheel compared to the real version.

      /Yes, I recognize the irony of being overly picky with mice/keyboards myself as well

    2. Re:Hard to find a good mouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use the NEC-branded Logitech that was bundled with a CRT monitor.

    3. Re:Hard to find a good mouse by caution+live+frogs · · Score: 1

      Pro tip: If you use the mouse long enough, it gets smooth instead of rough. Also, hard surface sanitizing cloths do wonders for cleaning the hardware.

      I have 3 Intellimouse 1.1A models, keep one at home and the other 2 at work. All are wearing smooth at this point. The weight, size, shape, and function hits all the sweet spots for me. The only complaint I have now is that the Intellimouse software doesn't work on macOS Sierra. I mean, sure, it runs, but the software fails to recognize a USB 2.0 mouse plugged into a USB-C dongle. The Mac sees the mouse but the Microsoft software isn't finding whatever signal it needs from the USB bus to recognize it.

      It's funny, my house is full of Mac laptops, a Mac desktop, Mac keyboards, and Microsoft mice. Glad to see this old warhorse make a comeback. If any of my current 3 ever dies, maybe I'll be able to finally get a solid replacement...

  30. garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft and Logitech mice and keyboards are some of the creme of the crop when it comes to shit hardware. I have no idea what happened to logitech but they used to be great when it came to reliability. I don't know of Microsoft hardware ever being great. But, one thing is certain; if the sensor to your product is erratic its garbage.

    Unfortunately, I've had to resort to buying expensive no-life neckbeard "gamer" hardware just for reliability sake. I cant stand the gaming culture (esports, streaming, etc); but at least the fucking Razer products are reliable.

  31. YAY! Do XP next! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the stuff you rent out now SUCKS!

  32. This is all your fault by Solandri · · Score: 2

    People like you are the reason I have to travel with either a crappy mouse with not enough buttons, or a bulky gaming mouse with extra buttons. Logitech used to make a small travel mouse with 4 buttons on the side, but they reduced it to 2 buttons because people like you complained. The only wireless mouse I've been able to find with more than two programmable side buttons was a larger gaming mouse.

    If you don't like the extra buttons, don't use them. Simply program them to do nothing. Let those of us who like or need the extra buttons continue to use them. Don't do things which get the product changed to make it unusable by those with a different preference than you. What you're doing is like complaining that restaurants should stop selling chicken because you don't like chicken. If you don't like chicken, just don't order the chicken dishes. Don't try to get the restaurants to drop chicken from their menu, depriving people who like chicken of the opportunity to order chicken.

    1. Re:This is all your fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logitech used to make a small travel mouse with 4 buttons on the side, but they reduced it to 2 buttons because people like you complained.

      Do you really think they design products based on customer feedback? The management top only cares about hard numbers: if the 4-button mouse sells worse than the competition's 2-button mouse, then the next design will be 2-button.
      Another real possibility is that some company had a patent for an "input device with 4 programmable side buttons", so they had to change it or pay royalties. Patents are the reason why we can't have the perfect product combining all great features...

  33. I was going to buy one, but by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

    I still have my original intelimouse that I got by sending in the coupons that used to come with OEM bundles of Win9x it was my favorite mouse ever but had two flaws. 1 It has a cord and 2 it would randomly point straight up in FPS games (this is/was a known issue). I clicked on the link to buy the new one but it still appears to have a cord, what a shame.

    1. Re:I was going to buy one, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am using my original Intellimouse to this day. Right now as a matter of fact.
      As for wired or wireless, well, I have the mouse connected to a KVM switch. Wireless is worthless to me.

      The "texture" on the buttons and palm area of the mouse are smooth now.

      P/N X05-92654

      I have downloaded the software hoping that I can get back the double click by pushing the wheel button. Probably won't work, but I can hope.

  34. Innovation is dead, so sayeth Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's next on the Recycle bin?

  35. If we're bringing back retro...Trackman Marble FX by karlandtanya · · Score: 2

    I miss my old Trackman Marble FX. GIS for it; I think old ones were going for $100.00 as a collector's item a few years ago. GOFK what one would cost you today.

    It put a large ball with lots of intertia in your hand. And by "in your hand", I mean your gripping fingers traversed the center of mass of the ball.
    It was awesome--You could easily throw the pointer across the screen(s) or tweak pixel by pixel.
    It was a throwback to the PS2 days, but PS2->USB adapters are easy to get.
    There were also a few buttons scattered around the device.

    If somebody would build a device with modern electronics and that sort of mechanism I'd buy it.

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  36. Sensor probs? by xlsior · · Score: 1

    If you look at the Amazon reviews, a common complaint is that the tracking sensor is of sub-standard quality, making it much less accurate in fast gaming. Only $21.99 though, compared to $39.99 on the Microsoft store.

    1. Re:Sensor probs? by Dahan · · Score: 1

      I don't play fast games, but I think the sensor is great for "office" type work. I had a Logitech MX400 with its laser tracker that would skip on a mousepad, of all things. The BlueTrack sensor in the MS mice tracks smoothly on just about everything I've tried (mousepad, plastic table, glossy wood table). It even works fairly well on a wood table with a sheet of glass over it.

    2. Re:Sensor probs? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Good info! I prefer a glass surface (too many years with fussy ball mice) and of course that drives the standard types nuts. (For real fun, try a mirror.)

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  37. Re:If we're bringing back retro...Trackman Marble by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 2

    This. Why do nearly all trackballs currently on the market have tiny balls you manipulate with your thumb? I want a big ball under my fingertips. I had a Trackman Marble FX; the only reason I stopped using it was that Microsoft came out with the Trackball Explorer, which had a scroll wheel. I still have my Trackball Explorer after 15-ish years, and have no idea what I'm going to replace it with when it eventually dies.

  38. Re:Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nah.. communists have made it clear they don't give a shit about your body. they'd rather rot your mind.

  39. Re:If we're bringing back retro...Trackman Marble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Buy a Kensington ExpertMouse?

  40. All new... for 2017 by Dahan · · Score: 1

    The new 'Classic Intell[i]Mouse' for 2018

    The FA mentions at the end that the mouse is available direct from Microsoft, and the MS page gives the part number as HDQ-00001. But that part number is also available from Amazon, which says, "Date First Available: October 16, 2017".

    In fact, I have one of them; Amazon tells me that I "purchased this item on March 11, 2018". I like the mouse a lot: it's corded, the BlueTrack sensor works well, and I like the shape. It's a good mouse, but it's not all that new.

    P.S. I also like the Microsoft Sculpt Comfort Bluetooth Mouse for a Bluetooth mouse. It's not a miniature "laptop" mouse, but I use it with my laptop... I had a small laptop mouse for a while, but prefer the feel of the larger mouse. Gotta say, MS still makes good mice (and keyboards).

  41. These are/were great mice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I still use an Intellimouse from the early 2000's. Back in the day I competed with the best, like Thresh and Fatal1ty (sort of, the guy was a n00b). It was the best mouse then and continues to be because kids don't understand what is possible, only what is fed to them, and that is crappy Chinese shit that flashes in different colors. Meanwhile they accuse ME of cheating just because I have skill and hardware their tiny dumbass minds can't comprehend. Seriously, I have been banned for using a bot when in fact I'm just using muscle memory. Idiot children.

    Sorry little buddy, you're not quite as special as your parents told you. In fact, you suck. Maybe you will get there in 20 years.

  42. Re:If we're bringing back retro...Trackman Marble by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    Completely different. Only one hemisphere is exposed; you can't grab it like the real thing.
    Now, if you wanted to play missile command...

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  43. Re:Cords?? It needs BALLS! by rpstrong · · Score: 1

    Plural? I'm . . . impressed.

  44. Re:Cords?? It needs BALLS! by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    I'm talking about a MAN'S mouse. Not something that's only fit for women and democrats.

    The kind of man that takes his best shot and only a Ferguson can handle it - https://sketchfab.com/models/3...

  45. Holy. Crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Less than a month ago, when my last functional IntelliMouse's buttons started misbehaving and I had to settle for a crappy replacement, I was lamenting the fact that *nobody* makes a simple mouse like that one, and that had I known, I would've stocked up on spares a decade and a half ago.

    That's what I'm going to do *right now*.

  46. Re:If we're bringing back retro...Trackman Marble by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 2

    Trackball Explorers are plentiful on eBay for about $125-$150. You can even find the rare unopened brand new one occasionally, if you don't mind spending $500-$600. A highly recommended upgrade for them is zirconia oxide bearings to replace the steel ones. The steel is so soft that the red ball actually wears a flat spot in them, and the worse it gets the harder it is to turn the ball. Replace the bearings with those ones and it's like new. And they won't wear out as quickly as the steel, if they ever will. Every one I've replaced them in is still feeling new.

  47. Um, maybe, by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    but I'm using a Sculpt mouse now, very happy with it, though the switches don't last long and I've been resoldering them while I find replacements.

    Yes, swap the right and left button switches, new life!

    I may or may not try a new Intell*mouse, dunno. Sculpts are fine for me.

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  48. Mircosoft HID does good work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft human input device group knows how to build solid hardware. It's like the black sheep of Microsoft.