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ComputerWorld Says Newest Windows 10 'Isn't Ready for Prime Time' (computerworld.com)
"Despite Microsoft's assurances, Windows 10 1803 isn't ready for prime time," writes ComputerWorld's Woody Leonhard, adding "Microsoft's patches in June took on some unexpected twists..."
Win10 1803 was declared fully fit for business, a pronouncement that was followed weeks later by fixes for a few glaring, acknowledged bugs -- and stony silence for other known problems. We're continuing the two-big-cumulative-updates-a-month pace for all supported versions of Windows 10. The second cumulative update frequently fixes bugs introduced by the first cumulative update. Microsoft may think that Win10 (1803) is ready for widespread deployment, but there are a few folks who would take issue with that stance...
Tuesday, Microsoft finally released a fix for two big bugs that have dogged Win10 1803 since its inception... In practice, life isn't so simple. WSUS (the Windows Update Server software) isn't "seeing" KB 4284848, as of late Wednesday afternoon -- which may be a good thing. Along with the second cumulative update this month, there are additional releases to fix the Servicing Stack, and a new "Compatibility update" that, per the documentation, is designed to make it easier to upgrade Win10 1803 Enterprise to Win10 1803 Enterprise (not a typo)...
One problem that has been acknowledged -- but only by a Microsoft Agent on an Answers Forum post -- says that installing 1803 can clobber your peer-to-peer network. That certainly matches my experience.
Woody concludes, "If you think Win10 1803 is ready for prime time, you're welcome to give it a try."
Tuesday, Microsoft finally released a fix for two big bugs that have dogged Win10 1803 since its inception... In practice, life isn't so simple. WSUS (the Windows Update Server software) isn't "seeing" KB 4284848, as of late Wednesday afternoon -- which may be a good thing. Along with the second cumulative update this month, there are additional releases to fix the Servicing Stack, and a new "Compatibility update" that, per the documentation, is designed to make it easier to upgrade Win10 1803 Enterprise to Win10 1803 Enterprise (not a typo)...
One problem that has been acknowledged -- but only by a Microsoft Agent on an Answers Forum post -- says that installing 1803 can clobber your peer-to-peer network. That certainly matches my experience.
Woody concludes, "If you think Win10 1803 is ready for prime time, you're welcome to give it a try."
No version of Windows was ever ready for prime time..
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the fact that I deleted windows 10 and went back to windows 7 should be enough to say what I think about windows 10 "be ready to use"...
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For the trash can. Switch to linux or macOS instead.
Ready for prime time or not, I'm sure it's going to show up real soon on my system in another ambush upgrade.
(Hint to MS: I set the computer to "Hibernate" because I was expecting to come back and pick up where I left off *quickly*. I specifically did not want to come back to find "Windows is finishing updates. Do not turn off your PC" for 45 minutes instead, followed by having to recover all of the open files that got trashed.)
Actual Americans? No, it's the certified brain dead SJW's (like you) that support impeachment.
Windows used to be great when it had actual versions and you could install it and forget it for years. Now, with rolling releases, you're playing a roulette with your data and applications every six months. Luckily 7 and 8.1 are still supported and once they Microsoft abandons them, I will update the PCs I'm responsible for to Windows 10 LTSB Enterprise - the last remaining sensible Windows ... distribution. Yes, nowadays we have actual Windows distributions.
I think I see where you're going here. Basically you're predicting that 2019 will be the year of Windows 10 (1803) on the Desktop? :)
that show the Windows loading screen and then a blank screen after this upgrade. We have Dell's highest level of support, and they don't even have a solution other than to reformat and reinstall Windows. It's not just not ready for prime time. It's simply not ready.
Sure, it is very annoying. The thing is, you learn to deal with it. My Windows 10 does not install updates until I allow it to. You can work around the problems. Going back to Windows 7 is not the answer. Windows 7 was great, but people still bitched about it for a couple years after it came out claiming they'd never quit using Windows XP. In my job I have to work with Windows, LINUX, and macOS. I don't bitch about any of them because that won't solve anything. I just learn how to deal with the stupid crap that each OS throws at me. Open tickets with the company that makes the OS when you find an issue. Either they'll fix it or they won't. If they don't, find your own workaround and get on with your life. I won't install 1803 until I feel its stable. If you're still pissed off, give yourself a hug... it might help.
Windows 10 as a whole isn't ready for prime time. It's a huge leap backwards in usability with more eye candy than a strip club.
It's almost as if the developers who wrote this steaming pile have no idea what they're doing.
I'd bet that having one-os-to-rule-them-all and OS as a Service are the ideas to which Microsoft execs are waxing their carrots to every day. Unfortunately, this model doesn't work for operating systems which are not like any other software.
I expect my OS to be an embodiment of stability and security. Software that I can trust won't go down even if every other process in the system decided to go tits up. Most of all, however, I expect to be in full control of it. It shouldn't make the faintest ping (fart) unless I ask it to.
Windows is the complete opposite. It runs a ton of of things without your permission, spies on you, reconfigures your system to its liking whenever it so pleases (hello system services) and dictates when and if at all you can shut it down.
This is an absolute lack of respect for your will and time. I do not understand how can anyone hope to build a stable business on Windows.
Windows 10 is simply a dreadful interface. The single worst interface I have ever seen on any computing device ever.
It's not fit for purpose... never mind prime time.
Windows 95 had a better GUI than 10.
I use it every day with no issues. I don't like the design of some things but overall the OS has been very stable.
Hay, be fair now. Linux is held together with gaffer's tape. Much more expensive than 'duck' tape and it doesn't leave tape residue when you have to untape and retape it, over and over.
Also: "Now with SystemDee (tm)"
Well their president is a lawyer and also their chief legal officer.
Dunno WHY I'm replying to an AC, but in the case of said XLS that Windows has decided it doesn't want to handle anymore, you might try LibreOffice. I deal with some small businesses that, for one reason or another, have to continue to use Windows/Office. One of them a while back had an Excel spreadsheet that was older than the hills, and the Office2013 installed on the machine in question, did not like this spreadsheet AT ALL.. Since I only use Linux/Opensource stuff on my personal systems, I decided to copy the xls to a memstick and tried opening/saving in LibreOffice 6.. Was able to open/modify/save said xls just fine, and as a bonus, WHATever Office didnt like about the xls before, once LibreOffice did its thing, the "fixed" xls was now working fine under Office... Go figure..
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For over a year, GeForce Experience crashes if it’s not the first application I loaded. But now VirtualBox doesn’t work and new installation keeps failing. So double win for me. Less work and more play. SMH
Use Google Sheets and Libre Office to load old XLS files. Somewhere in the last few versions of Office loading old XLS has been problematic.
At a guess it must have been some long deprecated setting or code snippet which Office2013 doesn't know ever existed and craps its pants over, but LibreOffice knows what it was SUPPOSED to do and saves to however it's done now.
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GeForce Experience updates.
Kaspersky anti virus works.
Windows 10 is ready.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I wasn't the only one, but after a recent large update, no one at work had a functioning windows calculator - it was gone from the start menu, and running calc.exe resulted in nothing. I thought our IT department had f-'d up, but no, I saw the same complaints online. How do you break calculator??
If anyone is wondering the fix is some sort of powershell command to remove the "windows feature" of calculator, then re-add it from the Windows Store. Obviously only works for those with admin rights to their machine...
But yeah. What next, break paint and notepad??
When you push out the revisions twice a year, somethings will always go wrong for some devices.
Riddle me this: how does Linux manage to push out revisions at more than ten times that rate while almost never regressing on any device? Not to mention that Linux tends to support devices forever, unlike Windows.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
But it's not what you shove up your ass. That's what your iPhone is for.
I saw that App, but I didn't want to shell out 5 bucks for the ad-free version...
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More than any other OS, I would say Windows 10 has a buggy and half-finished feel to it. The way it puts 'unidentified' SID's all through the registry - and Microsoft says you can ignore the numerous errors in the system logs.. or the way it always seems to decide to interrupt your work and install gigabytes of updates - and keep extra gigabytes of 'backups' in the windows.old folder..
I swear the biggest problem is people not holding Microsoft accountable enough. Microsoft should be getting their asses sued off by everyone and their mother. Whether it's 'software as a service' or not, they should not be able to override user preferences with impunity - or shut down industrial or medical systems because they miscalculated on an update. It's one thing if they install updates automatically - it's a totally different thing if someone disables those updates and Microsoft overrides it and returns all user settings back to their default every update. Or, if Microsoft just decides they're entitled to all of your screenshots, keystrokes, and contacts list.
Besides the bugs, the GUI is inconsistent and has shitty performance. It feels like you're opening a web page browser window when you navigate any of the new style of menu. There are at least 3 different distinct styles of menus and certain settings are in some or all of them. For example, there are mouse settings in the old style control panel and the new settings menu - and they aren't even the same settings - so you have to go to both.
It cannot get the resolution perspective correct in any manner.. And, if you set it the way you want, it might be returned to shit after a reboot - or you plug in a different monitor - or you remote desktop from a 4k monitor on a tablet that THEY designed. The fonts are hard to read no matter what - unless you have an old shitty low resolution monitor. Also, updates cause you to lose settings.. like you cannot make fonts bold in the menus after the latest Windows update.
Windows 10 forgets and re-arranges user settings. Did you move the 'documents' folder? Windows 10 might just decide to delete wherever you moved it to and move them back. If you use OneDrive, plan on re-installing at least once a month.
The snipping tool is a big flaming piece of shit. If you capture a screenshot and then click 'new' screenshot, your existing screenshot right in front of you disappears.. So you can't just have multiple screenshots sitting on your screen at the same time - unless you take the time to save each one. Fuck that. Nothing should ever delete your existing work just because you clicked 'new.' Instead, it should open in a NEW window and keep your existing one.
The way they install updates as if they are entitled to controlling you is unacceptable. Everything about it is the opposite of common sense. For example, updates typically install when you want to turn off your laptop and take it home - nope.. sorry.. you gotta fucking wait. Don't turn off your computer or we'll break it. Have a laptop you use only once or twice a week? It'll decide to waste your battery doing a bunch of bullshit rather than just let you get your work done. I know it's not supposed to interrupt you in the middle of anything - but I have had it interrupt me in the middle of playing a PC game against friends. WHAT THE FUCK.
I use it since I have to support it (secondary to Mac OSX). It pisses me off every day. No one on the Windows 10 team should feel proud of the shit they help create. It's taking computing in the wrong direction. It's making computing less reliable. The philosophy of Windows 10 is shit. The fundamental design is shit. The people that work on it are shitty people. The people that stick up for it are ineffective people who have never experienced software that was designed well.
The really sad thing is that almost all of it could be fixed by doing the following:
1. Allow the user to have control over his or her computer again
2. Allow the user to HAVE CONTROL OVER HIS OR HER COMPUTER AGAIN
3. FUCKING ALLOW THE USER TO BE IN CONTROL
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I see you left out the bit where to avoid being fucked over by M$, crappy updates, and privacy invasion, you have to pay $7 per month for the rest of your life and absolutely 100% guaranteed to rise far faster than the inflation rate, protection and extortion fee, stop paying and they kill your box. Ahh windows anal probe 10 delivering exactly what everyone warned M$ would deliver, renting access to your own computer. Refuse to pay and the shit version of windows is all they will sell you, still demand that you pay for it. What a piece of shit company, ESAD M$ (that would be eat yourself M$).
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More than any other OS, I would say Windows 10 has a buggy and half-finished feel to it.
Clearly you're too young to remember Windows ME. Not that this invalidates your points at all, just saying Microsoft has certainly done worse.
I'm curious as to what advice has Microsoft ever implemented from their technical preview program for Windows 10? Or was that just a show to try to get admins to buy in?
The last update to Windows 10 irrevocably broke my computer. I was about to roll back to the previous version when I saw a link to Microsoft Support. Was with them for an extended time, and there's no solution to my memory management BSOD except to do what I was about to do and roll it back to the previous version.
Soooo... the computer is frozen in time, no more updates, with the cure appearing to be a new computer, or at least a new motherboard using different hardware that hopefully doesn't have the same characteristics that cause my current one to crash.
Considering Linux, but still want to be able to use the same software, including the games, that I'm currently using. Finding different ways that all have the same bottom line, that this or that sort of program, such as games, don't work well because of one thing or another. Games don't work because this VM has limited video emulation, or so forth.
So... the bottom line appears to be that, for being able to continue with the same familiar software as always, then every last OS on the planet sucks doggie dicks. There is no solution.
So... the cheapest thing to do that also doesn't involve 100's of hours of learning a new OS and simply trading one set of problems for another is to keep on with my frozen-in-time computer until it no longer works in a modern environment, or explodes from the stress like a 155 mm artillery shell and kills me outright. Love computers, love to hate computers, sometimes wish they'd never have been invented, but not really.
Upgrading the computer to avoid being hosed by the updated OS is going to be expensive. This computer cost me about $4K to build. Next one will probably be store-bought, since I can get the equivalent for about the same money, and have an additional level of support besides going directly to Microsoft to find out there's no solution to the problem. And if I get it from a company and it does BSOD from this latest update, I can send it back to said company. Since I built this one, there's nobody to send it back to.
But... overall... computers are wonderful and computers suck all at the same time. Kinda makes you want to be stranded on that S. Pacific island... no computer, no need for a computer...
When you push out the revisions twice a year, somethings will always go wrong for some devices.
Riddle me this: how does Linux manage to push out revisions at more than ten times that rate while almost never regressing on any device? Not to mention that Linux tends to support devices forever, unlike Windows.
Exactly, even though My Linux and MacOS machines let me decide when to run updates, I could let them auto-update. I have had exactly one Mac update that made the computer a little flakey - but still functional - and no problems with any Linux updates
Meanwhile BOHICA Microsoft bitches something up with each W10 update.
I guess the fans can console themselves with the knowledge of their beloved large installed user base when their machine BSODs, loses half it's drivers, or doesn't boot after an update
Security through inoperability..
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The snipping tool is a big flaming piece of shit.
I'll take it over "print screen."
The way they install updates as if they are entitled to controlling you is unacceptable.
Most non-technical users have proven themselves incapable of maintaining their own systems, so automatic updates are a response to the "Windows gets viruses" schtick. Granted, they could do it better, but I haven't hard a problem telling my machine "put off these updates until later" and my game doesn't get interrupted.
I keep trying to get people to use Libre, but within a day there is always whining about incompatibilities. So paying the micro$oft tax is cheaper than the productivity loss.
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1803 must have been released so customers could beta test it, because it sure wasnâ(TM)t ready for general release. I had 8 laptops in my shop that were bricked by 1803. Microsoft's âoefixâ is a clean install. When I asked the tech how Iâ(TM)m supposed to explain to the customer that a Microsoft update broke their computer, but theyâ(TM)re going to have to pay me to fix it. (In 4 cases the customer paid, the other 4 they werenâ(TM)t worth putting that much money into and the customer went to Wally World to buy a new one.) The tech said that theyâ(TM)d fix it for free if the customer had another computer and a flash drive. Uh huh, Iâ(TM)m sure that someone with a heavy accent telling someone who can barely turn on their computer how to fix it over the phone will really work. I truly wish that Linux would move past the propeller head stage and make it easy for regular people to use it and get productive work done. Mint is almost there, but itâ(TM)s still not as easy as Windoze is.
I don't know about that. Windows ME had some stability issues, but it at least respected my settings. I could turn something off or change a default and it stayed that way. Windows Update only ran when I told it to. Windows wouldn't change a driver because it thought it knew better. Applications didn't randomly disappear. The UI was much better too - responsive, consistent, and easy to get around once you knew the basics (granted, Windows ME didn't try anything radical in the UI department - it was basically the same familiar 98SE/2000 UI).
The big difference is with Windows ME, it was still my computer and I had control over it. With Windows 10 I may have bought the hardware, but it's Microsoft's computer and Windows will do what it wants and there's fuck all I can do about it short of wiping and installing another OS.
Windows used to be great when it had actual versions and you could install it and forget it for years.
eh? install windows and forget about it for years? how? when you put the pc back in the box and store it on the attic? when the pc is disconnected from any network (would not even qualify in this case)? if there ever was an OS that required constant hand holding it would be windows, my god. if you use windows, it requires attention.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
You're doing something very wrong if you need to attend to your Windows installation(s) all the time.
I've got a few friends of mine whose Windows (7) installations have been churning along completely unattended for over seven years now - no issues whatsoever.
You just ask them not to install anything they absolutely don't need and to keep an eye on their AV. That's it.
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I run my Win 7 box 24/7 and haven't seen so much as a single crash in a decade. Reboots are once every 2-3 weeks on average.
Linux itself still works on 386 processors (as far as I know)
The mainline Linux kernel no longer supports the 386, the architecture was removed in at kernel 3.8 in 2012. However, nothing stops you from building a 386 kernel from source for 3.7 or earlier. These are capable kernels, after all most of modern big tech was built on these. You are highly unlikely to hit any kernel bugs in a stable kernel from that era. If you want to support newer hardware that those older kernels do not know about, or close the latest security holes, you should probably be using a more recent processor.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I made the comment years ago that Microsoft's main business was maintaining their monopoly. Even though their monopoly has been seriously weakened, I don't think much else has changed. Most of the front-end changes made since Windows 7 have been to benefit Microsoft, not their users.
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