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US Government Study Concludes: You're Probably Washing Your Hands Wrong (cnn.com)

97% of us don't wash our hands properly, a new government study concludes. An anonymous reader quotes CNN: The study from the U.S. Department of Agriculture shows most consumers failed to wash their hands and rub with soap for 20 seconds. That's the amount of time recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which says that washing for shorter periods means fewer germs are removed. "Numerous" study participants also didn't dry their hands with a clean towel.

The study involved 383 people in six test kitchen facilities in the metro Raleigh-Durham area of North Carolina and in rural Smithfield, North Carolina, the USDA said... About half the time, participants spread bacteria to spice containers while preparing burgers, and 11% of the time, they spread bacteria to refrigerator handles... The results from the USDA's study indicate our hand-washing habits may be getting worse. A study done in 2013 by Michigan State University found only 5% of people washed their hands correctly....

A separate study released this month found 49 of 100 towels tested showed growth of bacteria normally found in or on the human body.

CNN helpfully provides the proper method for handwashing. (Wet hands, lather them with soap -- between fingers and under fingernails -- and then scrub for at least 20 seconds.) They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

Just in America, foodborne illnesses sicken 48 million people each year, sending 128,000 to hospitals and resulting in 3,000 deaths.

179 comments

  1. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    "Just in America, foodborne illnesses"
    Also known as being a sugar fiend and a fat obese whaleburger fuck, rather than washing your hands wrong.
    If it has a sweet taste, don't eat it anymore.
    If it has a sweet taste, don't buy it anymore.

    Daily reminder that obese lardwhale fat activist tumblrinas leave the biggest carbon footprint in history, ruining our planet and our future as a species
    -their weight forces more fuel consumption in vehicles
    -their size requires more water and boiler energy wasted
    -their anuses release several volumes more greenhouse gases than the average person, and methane is the most destructive Greenhouse Effect gas
    -the clothing industry needs to waste more resources to create clothes that fit them
    -they produce several volumes more trash than the average person thereby polluting both land and air several times more
    -their lard clogged up and destroyed crematoriums in multiple documented cases, creating disaster for the environment and society
    -their shits clog up toilets and create additional strain on waste processing plants

    1. Re:Huh by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Congratulations! You win "Idiotic Dick of the Day" for Jun 30th, 2018 Tune back in tomorrow to see if you win "Idiotic Dick of the Month".

          Good luck, I am pulling for you!

    2. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are off topic of course, annnnd you're just making stuff up.

    3. Re: Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait...I thought it was Inhumane, Disrespectful, and whatever else to refer to people as "animals"? Pretty sure that's what CNN and Pelosi told me, but then again, I haven't looked up today's Outrage du Jour.

    4. Re: Huh by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      Americans are dirty disgusting creatures. The amount of times I've seen them come out of the washroom and not wash their hands is terrible. ...Terrible disgusting animals, and overweight too.

      What sort of backwards place do you live in where washing facilities are placed outside of the room designated for washing?! Oh, right, I remember this one from the Sochi Olympics! You've got cameras inside the "washroom," you must be Russian!

      Of course we're "over"-weight, we can afford food other than beets and potatoes.

    5. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carbohydrates are favorite bacteria fuel

      I guess that is why bees produce high carbohydrate honey that is known to spoil in the blink of an eye. And of course why fruit preserves use a lot of sugar - hence the name fruit spoils.

      Other than that, yeah sure. The average industrial nation human is a gluttonous, fat and lazy fuck; eating too much carbs for their sedentary lifestyles instead of using more vegetables to satiate their appetite. Obesity and related issues like diabetes mellitus type 2 are on the rise and costing socialized health care systems a lot of money, while being mostly preventable in a lot of cases.

    6. Re: Huh by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      It's because of the environment they are both stored in.
      Honey is sealed in wax in a hive, and this has no access to air. It does have a natural anti-bacterial agent in it too. No oxygen and no bacteria means it can't spoil.

      Jam, when made, is stored in air-tight sterile (boiled, typically) jars, typically while the jam is still very hot (so it can be poured into the jar before it sets). Again, no oxygen, and no bacteria, so it won't spoil.

      Leave a jar of jam open out of the fridge and it'll spoil in a few days. Similarly with honey.

    7. Re: Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that is true, but it does not tell the whole story either. It omits the fact that low sugar or sugar free jam spoils a lot faster than high sugar jams.
      Similar to salt the high amounts of sugar (sucrose) have a hygroscopic effect on anything that comes into contact with it; killing fungi and bacteria by dehydrating them. Of course there's only so much moisture they can absorb from various sources (including air) until the top layer reaches its capacity and becomes a growth medium for bacteria and fungi.

    8. Re: Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honey will crystallize but no, it won't spoil in "a few days".

    9. Re: Huh by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Neither jam nor honey will spoil if kept pure. Yeah, if you double-dip the knife and get bread crumbs in there, those will go bad, but by themselves? There's so much sugar in there that any bacteria die of dehydration.

      You really don't need to refrigerate a lot of things. Mayonnaise (really), mustard, ketchup, soy sauce, Worcestershire sauce, fish sauce, salsas... most condiments and toppings are perfectly safe if you don't contaminate them with bits of bread, chips, pasta, etc. Refrigeration slows oxidation and so preserves flavor, but as far as food safety is concerned, it's a non-issue. Just remember: unless you have squeeze bottles, serve from the primary container into a small ramekin, and then use that to dress your sandwich.

    10. Re: Huh by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I would remind you that like me, CNN and Pelosi are Americans and are thus disgusting animal landwhales.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    11. Re: Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I advocate for chlorine gas based food storage.

  2. This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our environments should be clean, not sterile. We have defenses, evolved over millions of years, in place specifically for handling these things. Unless you're immuno-compromised, going into surgery, or work in a restaurant, there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.

    1. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are wrong.

      Washing hands does not make the world sterile. It makes sure that the tools you were born with are clean enough to rub your eyes, scratch your skin or put food in your mouth.

      Generally, your hands may be clean enough. But, when you go to the bathroom, wash your hands. Touch raw meat, wash your hands. Shake hands with someone whose hygiene practices you do not know, wash your hands.

      Some things can make you very sick. Fecal bacteria is one of those things.

      I agree that we don't need a sterile world, but a clean one is ideal.

      Wash your hands!

    2. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People eat each other's asses all the time. It's actually common these days. Didn't you see the documentary CHiPs?

    3. Re: This is idiotic by olsmeister · · Score: 1
    4. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone else in the world washed their hands for the full 20 seconds, frequently, then *I* wouldn't have to.

      So it is in my best interest to encourage everyone else to do this, even though I shortcut the process most of the time.

    5. Re:This is idiotic by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      The point isn't that you should worry about regular bacteria, it is that if they had something contagious on their hands it would spread by the same amount as the regular harmless stuff. They're not going to infect volunteers with salmonella to do the test!

    6. Re: This is idiotic by NettiWelho · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't do that.

      You can only get a parasite from someone who has parasites

    7. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...then touch your cell phone. just like hitting a real-life ctrl+Z. all that effort undone.

      I'm less bothered by ppl who don't wash their hands than those who maybe wet their fingers and call it "good", as if spending 5 seconds at the sink checks off some sort of inner social obligation they might feel.

      Besides, I guess I learned early on to not pee on my hands in the first place. Not too many fecal bacteria in urine anyways. Those tend to be found in...wait for it!...feces (or foeces, for the british).

      So really good idea just for one's self to wash one's hands after pinching a loaf. after peeing? meh.

      Plus, within an hour or so your hands will be back to normal anyways, even if you did wash them an hour ago.

    8. Re:This is idiotic by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.

      You know the way the immune system does it's job right? You're at home in bed coughing running a fever. Just because you're not immunocompromised doesn't mean you should tongue kiss every diseased person out there.

      Wash your hands you dirty grub.

    9. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [washing your hands] makes sure that the tools you were born with are clean enough to rub your eyes, scratch your skin or put food in your mouth.

      You were born with another tool which ensures that - it's your auto-immune system. It's even been around for longer than soap/washing your hands.

      While hygiene is important, a built-up auto-immune system is highly effective; it's why those with compromised immune systems have to be so very, very careful.

      Washing your hands, like taking medicine, is a good thing -- but done excessively, it weakens you in the long term. When you're old, would you prefer to depend on strong medicine or a strong auto-immune system? Scratch your anus, young man, for your health.

    10. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days, I occassionally see people leave the stalls in bathrooms, walk right past the sinks, grab the door handle and walk out. This is right after hearing the toilet paper roll being used.

      Absolutely disgusting people!

    11. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You arenâ(TM)t washing your hands for 20 seconds. You may think you are because you probably never time yourself or sing the birthday song twice, and the brain is generally a pretty bad time keeper, but realistically youâ(TM)re likely hovering around five seconds.

    12. Re:This is idiotic by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Washing you hands in dirty water is pretty pointless and the US has some of the shitiest water in the entire developed world, really, really bad. Lead, fracking chemicals, pesticides, all sorts of infectious agents, reality want to clean you hands properly. First get in a car, drive across the Canadian border and wash you hands in a much cleaner water supply, the Canadian water supply and then return. No matter how fucking hard you try, you are not washing you hands clean in the typically contaminated US water supply, remember the US water supply is focused on lower taxes and the poor are worthless and should be euthanised https://news.ava360.com/gop-ca.... You are getting the water supply you are willing to pay for, good luck trying to get clean using that water (USA rapidly working to achieve a China grade water supply where you should filter and boil it prior to using it no lead though, US the only developed country where tested bottled water is the only safe choice for your family).

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    13. Re: This is idiotic by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      But, when you go to the bathroom, wash your hands. Touch raw meat, wash your hands. Shake hands with someone whose hygiene practices you do not know, wash your hands.

      How about opening a door ? Moving a chair ? Turning off the light in the bathroom after you wash your hands ? Buying a snack from a vending machine ?

      Some things can make you very sick. Fecal bacteria is one of those things.

      Yes, they *can*. Most of the time, they don't.

    14. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your partners always knows if they have, and if they have they always tell you?

    15. Re: This is idiotic by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      This is why any place that doesn't put a trash can by the door to the bathroom gets a pile of paper towels on the floor. I don't touch that handle with bare hands.

    16. Re:This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with everything else: Cut out the meat, and you'll find the risks and costs substantially lowered with one or more orders of magnitude.

      Somehow, people who point this out are ridiculed, but proven right again and again and again..

    17. Re: This is idiotic by HiThere · · Score: 1, Informative

      Washing your hands is good. The practice they are recommending is what is recommended for medical professionals on the job...and not usually followed by them.

      There are good reasons to NOT wash your hands that thoroughly. Doing so is likely to damage the skin, leading to rough and cracked skin that literally cannot be washed thoroughly. Most medical practices now recognize this, and I believe that the use of thin plastic gloves rather than depending on excessive hand washing is now uniformly the practice. Before that they had switched to a hand foam sterilizer that was less abusive to the skin, but less isn't not.

      For home use, use warm (not hot) water and a decent soap that doesn't irritate the skin, and clean under the fingernails when convenient, and definitely after a bowel movement. Don't be excessive, as that's as damaging as not being sufficient.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    18. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kick open the door gently

    19. Re: This is idiotic by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Hard to do if the door opens inward and they don't have one of the toe handles.

    20. Re:This is idiotic by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Washing you hands in dirty water is pretty pointless.

      Wow, found someone who doesn't know what soap is.

      the US has some of the shitiest water in the entire developed world, really, really bad. Lead, fracking chemicals, pesticides, all sorts of infectious agents

      The US has quite average water and is borderline poison in some places, but infectious agents? Get a grip man. Even in 3rd world shitholes (actual shitholes, not Trump shitholes) you're better off washing your hands than not.

      Let me guess, you don't shower either?

    21. Re: This is idiotic by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Then those restrooms end up migrating to air drying machines and removing paper towels and its an inward opening door.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    22. Re:This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the biggest problem I see with the US water supply... people in the US have no understanding of chemistry of science....

      Pesticides and chemicals, lead, and such might be in your water... however there are very few instances of US municipal water having anything infectious in it... infectious means virus or bacteria, there are very few waterborne viruses in north america... and almost none of them endemic to a water supply... there of course is water borne bacteria, but it's really easy to kill bacteria in water treatment plants, or filter it out... so easy in fact I can walk to up nearly any freshwater lake or stream in north america with a water filter about the size of a roll of quarters and feel comfortable pulling water out of that lake and not getting a bacterial infection from it. Or I can carry chemicals able to kill off the bacteria.... OR run an IR light that will kill them off...

      Other stuff is more challenging to filter out... even in canada there is dihydrogen monoxide in all of their water, but if you have "infectious agents" in your municipal water, you need to call some one about that... because that's really cheap and easy to deal with...

  3. allergies by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

    1. Re:allergies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

      Only in the first few months of life. After that, it doesn't matter.

    2. Re:allergies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Only in the first few months of life."

      and the first few years.

    3. Re:allergies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      and the first few years.

      Nope. There is no evidence for that. In fact, the first few days seem to be the most important. C-section babies have more autoimmune disorders later in life, likely because they are not exposed to bacteria and fungi in the birth canal. Breastfeeders have less problems, likely because they ingest beneficial skin flora from their mothers.

    4. Re:allergies by lhunath · · Score: 0

      Proof that asbestos causes cancer does nothing to prove that cigarettes don't. Please check your logic.

      Let me help you apply that: Proof that a lack of exposure to the environment in early development causes allergies does nothing to suggest that excessive cleanliness later in life is harmless. In fact, I daresay it's a very strong indicator of the opposite.

      --
      ``OK, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah?''
    5. Re:allergies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Studies have show that /. isn't the place to promote good hygiene.

      Go back to eating your cheetos and wiping them off on your week old underwear.

    6. Re:allergies by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

      There's a big difference between excessive cleanliness and washing your hands properly.

    7. Re:allergies by antdude · · Score: 1

      And I still get sick with all the pollens, dusts, etc. even when not cleaned. :(

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
    8. Re:allergies by religionofpeas · · Score: 0

      There's a big difference between excessive cleanliness and washing your hands properly.

      One can easily lead to another. Suppose you wash your hands for 20 seconds, as described. And then you pick your phone out of your pocket and start playing with it. How long would it take before your hands have the bacteria level of a 5 second wash ?

      Really, if you think 5 seconds isn't good enough, then you should be washing your hands again at that point. Plus you should wipe your phone. And the inside of your pockets, and your belt buckle, and your wallet....

    9. Re:allergies by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Studies have show that /. isn't the place to promote good hygiene.

      Go back to eating your cheetos and wiping them off on your week old underwear.

      Ewwww.

    10. Re:allergies by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      How long would it take before your hands have the bacteria level of a 5 second wash ?

      Imagine having a 5 second was combined with your phone. Speaking of bacteria level where did you get your phone from? Your soft tissue pocket that was rubbing against your screen?

      The odds of you picking up something from a device only you use and that spends it's time against fabric (bacteria survive best on solid warm surfaces with moisture) are quite low compared to something like shaking someone's hand.

      Plus you should wipe your phone.

      You should understand the exposure and transmission of disease. I didn't just come up, wipe my snotty nose in my hands and then reach over and grab you by your belt buckle, stick my hand in your pocket and fondle your .... phone. :-)

      You're not protecting against yourself by washing your hands, you're protecting against others. For that you should focus on things that come in contact with others. I'm not a clean freak, but the one thing that truly freaks me out is a communal keyboard with visible gunk on it.

      Speaking of what you *should* be worried about, ever notice that in areas where food is served in many countries they offer anti-bacterial gel dispensers? Ever wonder why specifically in *that* area, hint: It has nothing to do with your pocket.

  4. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you wash your hands like this they're going to dry out and crack.

    1. Re:But... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      dry out and crack

      and the "solution" is to put lots of lotion on, which gets grease and grime all over everything, creating germ risk elsewhere.

    2. Re: But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black don't crack

    3. Re:But... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      I'm a fastidious almost OCD hand-washer, my hands don't dry out and crack.

      --
      Waterfox - a Firefox fork with legacy extension support, security updates and better privacy by default.
    4. Re: But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That non-greasy feeling is called clean. Should not be cracking though. Maybe your hygiene practices have been out of whack so long your hands crack as the bacteria reacts to soap and water...

      Wash your hands!

    5. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're better off covering your hands petroleum jelly and slipping them into a pair of socks overnight. That shit works wonders.

      Just make sure its from the *other* Vaseline jar. Or, y'know, dick germs everywhere.

    6. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live somewhere humid with no winter weather. No one breaks thermodynamics.

    7. Re:But... by HiThere · · Score: 2

      That wouldn't do it. I suspect the gp uses a "soap" that's got a lot of oil in it. A *lot*. I'm dubious about how clean such soaps get you. But if he's a compulsive hand washer that may be the best choice he has, and just by itself warm water helps a lot.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  5. Well by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've known this approximately forever. Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective. Maybe invent a box that people can just stick their hands in for thirty seconds, emerging perfectly washed. Or keep complaining about them being lazy and just keep letting them get other people sick. Whatever you prefer.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A five second dunk in a mildly scented 70% isopropyl alcohol bath could do the trick quickly and efficiently. You don't even need a faucet.

    2. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we cared about sickness, we wouldn't be washing our hands at all, we'd be rubbing them with strains of bacteria that aren't associated with illness. In most cases, you're better off adding bacteria that don't produce toxic byproducts than trying to remove the ones that do.

      Bacteria themselves don't generally cause people to get sick, I wish that meme would DIAF, because it just makes more people sick than it helps. The usual problem isn't the bacteria, it's that they're present in the wrong place in larger numbers than the body can handle. Yes, if you're immune compromised or preparing food, you really ought to be scrubbing up, but most of the human immune system is bacteria and by washing the layers of bacteria off your hands, you're just opening them up to bactera that we're wanting to keep out of our mouths and mucous membrane.

      This is the same sort of simplistic thinking that's led to the removal of apex predators from so many ecosystems only to leave the area destroyed when animals that were lower on the food chain are no longer being eaten.

      As far as this recommendation goes, you're just not going to remove enough bacteria with just 20 seconds of washing with soap to make much of a difference. Bacteria have a doubling time that's best measured in minutes, so, congratulations, you've got maybe an hour before they're back where they were and probably less if you didn't get enough of them away. It turns out that things that grow based on a doubling time replace themselves exceedingly quickly.

    3. Re:Well by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Ooh, let me think this through for a moment. Should I believe CDC or are they in fact entirely wrong and I need to listen to someone anonymous on the internet.

      On reflection I think I may need something a little more evidence oriented.

    4. Re:Well by lhunath · · Score: 1

      Not sure it's the kind of thing you want to be doing every 5 minutes daily.

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      ``OK, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several million for good thinking, yeah?''
    5. Re:Well by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective.

      The systems work against us, especially in America. One easy way to reduce the spread of disease, give people sickleave completely independent from their holiday leave, and tell them to stay the heck away from others. The problem with relying on washing from hands is that only works if you live and work in a bathroom. Normal people will do things while suffering from a viral infection like sneeze, cough, use their computer, touch doorknobs, god forbid rub their nose, and then they will walk up and shake your hand.

    6. Re:Well by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      We already have a system in place. It's used by medical professionals. It's called alcohol gel.

      Very handy for being many places in the world that expect you to wash with cold water or don't have an acceptable means to dry yourself.

      Even places that are over hyped in the kind of America bashing videos that George Takei shares have places that don't cut the mustard.

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    7. Re:Well by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Let's wait until the CDC actually produces evidence that everybody's average standard of life will improve, rather than just doing a bacteria count.

    8. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is saying theyâ(TM)re entirely wrong, but very few people actually need to scrub up like surgeons during the course of their work. If youâ(TM)re sat over a keyboard most of the day, you probably donâ(TM)t want to send swabs into a lab. Itâ(TM)s best not to think about whatâ(TM)s on there.

    9. Re:Well by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Maybe invent a box that people can just stick their hands in for thirty seconds, emerging perfectly washed.

      Done.

    10. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you a medical professional? Do you know how then sanitize their hands? Apparently not.

      First you wash your hands using water and soap THEN apply alcohol based desinfectant (not gel). Alcohol gel is the household product companies sell to ordinary customers. Nothing wrong with that but not what they use in hospitals etc.

      Also, if your hands are dirty, adding alcohol gel and smearing the dirt around will not make them clean, that is why you should wash your hands first. But sure, if you have no way of cleaning your hands other than alcohol gel, it is better than nothing.

    11. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, if you're sick, show up more and earlier to work, just in spite of your f u system!

  6. Material impact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About half the time, participants spread bacteria to spice containers while preparing burgers, and 11% of the time, they spread bacteria to refrigerator handles

    What does it matter if, in those cases where bacteria is spread, the test participants don't become ill?

  7. David Byrne says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Look where my hand was."

  8. Sterile environments are not good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't wipe your ass and eat the finger food without washing your hands, but if you always wash like you're preparing for doing surgery, you're going to do more damage than good.

    1. Re: Sterile environments are not good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to the Indian who stole my job

    2. Re: Sterile environments are not good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an Indian who wipes your ass, shouldn't you tell him to wash his hands?

    3. Re:Sterile environments are not good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key is to eat and wipe with different hands.

  9. i never leave the house anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's my bacteria, why should i be afraid of it?

  10. RIAA immediately sues everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    For uncompensated public performances of copyrighted music.

  11. Alphabet singing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just remember next time an immaculately dressed gentlemen sings the alphabet next to you in a Branson gas station restroom while knowingly eyeing your back as you empty your bladder, he's definitely not aiming to cut out your liver out and cook it in front of you, watching you die a horrible death.

    He's just practicing the USDA approved method for washing one's hands.

  12. Tell that to Christians drinking from the same cup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't have a shorter lifespan than non Christians for sure. There is plenty of scientific evidence to back that up.

  13. Is it worth it? by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much time per year do I lose to foodborn illnesses?

    How much time would I lose due to washing my hands for 20+ seconds at a time after every use of the toilet?

    Off topic, but my grandmother said that when she installed a dishwasher, her family stopped catching diseases from each other. Presumably the dishwasher used hotter water than hand washing, and also washed more thoroughly. Now that's a cleanliness method which actually SAVES time and effort!

    1. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather spend 20 seconds washing my hands than 20 seconds on a toilet in pain.

    2. Re: Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously it depends on how often ypu use the washroom and how susceptible you are to foodborn illness, but assuming you use the washroom about six times a day, and that you will lose one day of your time for a moderate bout of food poisoning, one day of good poisoning works out to two years of handwashing. So, excluding safety benefits to everyone else in the world, hand washing will be worth it with these assumptions if you currently are giving yourself food poisoning more often then once every two years .

    3. Re:Is it worth it? by qeveren · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm curious to know what percentage of foodborne illnesses are caused by "didn't wash hands" and what percentage are caused by "saved money someplace in the food supply chain."

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    4. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Food borne illnesses are frequently the result of contamination in the produce these days. No matter how much hand washing you do, it's still going to be difficult to remove e. coli from the contaminated lettuce.

      As far as the dish washer goes, that's another reason why this advice on handwashing is so stupid. Any bacteria that lives on our skin isn't something that we're going to be able to sterilize away. As a result, no matter how much washing you do with soap and water, you're still going to need to wear gloves if you're putting your fingers in your mouth or eyes. There's a reason why surgeons started wearing gloves even though they do an astonishingly thorough job of washing their hands prior to doing surgery. And that reason isn't just transmitting viruses.

      For me personally, I stopped getting sick when I stopped the excessive cleanliness and antibiotics. A rinse and a scrub without soap is more than enough most of the time. And I've lived in places where the restaurant I was eating at had literal sewage on the floor or the chicken had been left out on a counter for a half hour or longer without having any issues with food poisoning.

      If you're concerned about getting sick from bacteria, you're usually better off adding bacteria rather than subtracting them, only a small number of them are dangerous for people with a functioning immune system. And the way you keep the immune system functioning is by being nice to your bacteria. Making sure to repopulate whenever you use antibiotics.

    5. Re: Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is more or less a myth. Handwashing makes relatively little difference in terms of food poisoning. As does the cleanliness of the kitchen and bathrooms.

      What makes a difference is which strains wind up in places they don't belong. Now, eating in a place with sewage on the floor or meat that's been left out on a counter for long periods of time will increase the risk of getting sick, it doesn't mean that it's a guarantee or that everybody who eats contaminated food will get sick.

      Given how hard it is to sterlize things off of organic matter, you're usually better off figuring out how to crowd those harmful strains out with ones that are either beneficial or benign.

      Especially in the modern era where more and more food poisoning is coming from things that are intended to go directly in the mouth and swallowed like all those recalls on leafy greens where they developed a film of e. coli on them due to unsafe farming practices.

    6. Re: Is it worth it? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Fortunately by ignoring people like you things like cholera are causing problems to a dozen people a year in the US instead of killing several tens of thousands.

    7. Re:Is it worth it? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I see examples of both in the news every year, and they only report it when there are lots of sick people.

    8. Re: Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm... in some of those cases the bacteria has gotten INTO, not on, those leafy greens. So a chlorox wash wouldn't have helped in those cases anyways.

    9. Re:Is it worth it? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I will wager that the former is far higher than the latter, but then also completely dwarved by negligence, ignorance and the occasional stupid mistake completely unrelated to money.

    10. Re:Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my grandmother said that when she installed a dishwasher, her family stopped catching diseases from each other.

      What the hell were your family members doing with each other??

    11. Re:Is it worth it? by budcub · · Score: 2

      My mother said the same thing when our family got its dishwasher. It might have been the chlorine bleach that's present in dishwashing detergent.

    12. Re: Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in the process we've caused an epidemic of things like childhood leukemia, food allergies, immune deficiency and appendicitis among the other side effects. Not really the easy trade off that you're implying and not something that you typically see in parts of the world where they aren't so terrified of mostly harmless bacteria.

      And like with other bacterial problems, it's not the bacteria that are the issue, it's the balance of the bacteria in the gut that are the issue. If you've got a healthy complement of bacteria in your gut, you shouldn't be having serious problems with cholera or any other bacterial infection as those strains will have to compete with other bacteria making it significantly less likely that you'll notice that you've got them.

      Just because some of us like to understand the issues that concern our health, doesn't mean we're the problem. The problem here is medical personnel that lie about treatment options and refuse to acknowledge the very real consequences of using antibiotics irresponsibly.

    13. Re: Is it worth it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For decades it has been known that cholera can be successfully treated by rehydration, even without antibiotics. So, when exactly was this time when cholera killed "several tens of thousands" in the the United States?

      My guess is that it was long ago, and therefore your assumption that improved handwashing is the cause of the improvement is rather suspect. Historically, most cholera outbreaks are not due to person-to-person spreading via food dispensary but rather through sewage-contaminated water supplies.

    14. Re:Is it worth it? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious to know what percentage of foodborne illnesses are caused by "didn't wash hands" and what percentage are caused by "saved money someplace in the food supply chain."

      "didn't wash hands" = "saved money someplace in the food supply chain"

    15. Re:Is it worth it? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Far hotter water, for much longer. I generally rinse things before putting them in the dishwasher unless I'm going to run it right away - just me and the wife here, we eat out a fair bit, so it's not unusual to wash dishes only once a week - but the dishwasher gets rid of all those last little bits of oils and food particles, and it gets the dishes nice and hot (well above the temperature that my water heater produces).

      That said, I don't know that I've ever gotten a GI illness from a family member. Always respiratory, and a dishwasher doesn't do crap for those - you have to wipe down the doorknobs and surfaces, and quarantine the sick person.

    16. Re: Is it worth it? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cholera is about contaminated water, not contaminated hands. Sewage treatment is far, far more important than handwashing in terms of public health impact.

  14. The US government apparantly... by DrTJ · · Score: 1

    ... does not wash their hands on this subject: telling us how to maintain our hygiene.

    Well, they should lead by good example; please wash your hands!

    Oh, wait...

  15. If you work in government... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

    They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

    That explains all the fake happy people at work these days.

  16. Of course by Kohath · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because if you weren't doing it wrong, you wouldn't need the government or their experts or their journalist friends to lecture you. And then what would those people do?

    1. Re:Of course by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Yes, why would the government study how germs move from your butt to my plate of food in a restaurant. How is that in the mission statement of the Center for Disease Control?

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    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study has nothing to do with commercial kitchens, only personal use. You are feeding yourself your own feces bro. Makes sense given it comes out of both yer ends.

    3. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess. You flunked out of college.

  17. More important than you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you live in the boonies and only ever interact with your family and close acquaintances, that's one thing. It's what our immune systems were designed for, and your odds of catching something dangerous and/or terrifying are rather low. But in, say, NYC, you are quite foolish not to wash your hands thoroughly. Just imagine all the other exotic people who have touched that subway post...

    1. Re:More important than you think... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      The thought that people *only* touched that subway post must be very comforting...

    2. Re: More important than you think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Yorkers don't get sick from touching the pile because real New Yorkers don't need to hold on, we surf it. Tourists are touching other tourist's germs and probably should wash more though.

  18. North Carolina by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    The study involved 383 people in six test kitchen facilities in the metro Raleigh-Durham area of North Carolina and in rural Smithfield, North Carolina,

    Is it really front-page news that people in red states don't know how to wash their hands?

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    1. Re:North Carolina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you want to pull politics into the discussion while representing the blue states of feminists who believe it's empowerment to not shave, to not bathe (because it's apparently a statement against he patriarchy to not run basic hygiene like "proper" women should), and also the blue states where having sex using the holes you shit from is considered a virtue in addition to the newly emerged virtue medal of getting stomach parasites from such fine hygienic blue state activities as anal rimming? Let's not forget fat activism is mainly run by the blue, and those spend a good part of their life never able to reach between certain blubber parts of the body where filth is allowed to accumulate. I can go on.

    2. Re:North Carolina by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      Politics aside; this is still front-page news about people not knowing how to wash their hands. Front. Page. News. Let alone Slashdot.

      ???

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    3. Re:North Carolina by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you want to pull politics into the discussion while representing the blue states of feminists who believe it's empowerment to not shave, to not bathe (because it's apparently a statement against he patriarchy to not run basic hygiene like "proper" women should), and also the blue states where having sex using the holes you shit from is considered a virtue in addition to the newly emerged virtue medal of getting stomach parasites from such fine hygienic blue state activities as anal rimming? Let's not forget fat activism is mainly run by the blue, and those spend a good part of their life never able to reach between certain blubber parts of the body where filth is allowed to accumulate. I can go on.

      Dude, you think way too much about anus. It's a beautiful day and it's a holiday weekend. Go outside and have some fun.

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    4. Re:North Carolina by Cederic · · Score: 1

      the holes you shit from

      Wait, there's more than one? I must be doing it wrong.

    5. Re:North Carolina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the other is the mouth, a special trait of Amerifat Democrats that has evolved drastically in the past decade.

    6. Re:North Carolina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do...

    7. Re:North Carolina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study involved 383 people in six test kitchen facilities in the metro Raleigh-Durham area of North Carolina and in rural Smithfield, North Carolina,

      Is it really front-page news that people in red states don't know how to wash their hands?

      Raleigh-Durham votes blue.

      https://www.nytimes.com/electi....

      But, hey, let me twist the facts to support your world view: they must have imported help from red counties!

      Here's some more help: They don't live in California, so they're probably all cavemen, useless to expect civilized behaviour from them.

      Personally, I don't much care for Durham, but Raleigh is a fantastic place to live - and not just in my opinion, it routinely places high on the lists of top places to live.

      That's some echo chamber you live in.

    8. Re:North Carolina by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't much care for Durham, but Raleigh is a fantastic place to live

      Yeah, Raleigh is a pretty nice city with some excellent, if inauthentic BBQ. But there are still enough Trump voters in the region to skew the averages way down.

      They don't live in California, so they're probably all cavemen, useless to expect civilized behaviour from them.

      Yes, that was my point, although California is not the only civilized part of the US. There's also New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, Seattle, etc.

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    9. Re:North Carolina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a beautiful day and it's a holiday weekend. Go outside and have some fun.

      Today I learned that in Pope Ratzo's world it's a holiday weekend when the nearest holiday falls on a Wednesday.

  19. So the fellow from Yale by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

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    1. Re:So the fellow from Yale by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As funny as it might seem, the guy who did not wash his hands will leave his germs at the door knob.
      The guy who did, will get them, regardless of having washed his hands before.

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    2. Re:So the fellow from Yale by c · · Score: 1

      I've seen handwashing protocols which recommend leaving the bathroom by using a paper towel in hand when opening the door, propping the door with a foot, throwing out the towel, and then leaving.

      I think those showed up at work (an airport) when there was one of those international travel scares.

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    3. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

      One can recognize the chemist by virtue of them washing hands before using the urinal.

    4. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think those showed up at work (an airport) when there was one of those international travel scares.

      Here in the US, our airport restrooms have long L-shaped entry hallways instead of doors, so you have to walk around a corner to accidentally see anyone with his Johnson out. Result: No need to touch a door and get everyone else's STI's on your hands on the way out!

    5. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup, that's me. I try to avoid touching anything at all with my bare hands in a public restroom -- not the door, not the faucets, not the paper towel dispenser, and for the love of Leeuwenhoek not any part of the toilet.

      I start by pushing the door open with my foot, although since I'll be washing my hands afterwards (and presumably most people who pull on the outside of a bathroom door do so before their hands have become factories for fecal bacteria) I'll allow for pull-to-enter doors. Once inside, I use a paper towel or strip of toilet tissue to lift lids, flush, turn the water on and off (not the same one on the faucet as I used on the toilet!) and turn the crank of a stuck paper towel dispenser. I absolutely will not use a blow dryer, and thank Pasteur those awful reusable cloth dispenser rolls have disappeared. Finally when I'm done washing and drying I'll use one more paper towel to open the door with. If there's not a trash can near enough to throw the towel in on my way out, I'll carry it until I see a trash can (in a store) or to my table at a restaurant.

      Paranoid and/or OCD? Probably. But I lose approximately zero time a year to bacterial infections from public places. At home, I live in a pigsty. My wife and I have shared germs for 30 years so we'll re-use dishes, towels, whatever. The idea isn't to be germ-free; the idea is to minimize contact with germs your body hasn't learned to fight off.

    6. Re:So the fellow from Yale by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      My daughter was born three months early - so we spent a lot of time at the hospital early on. That’s where I first learned the whole “use a paper towel to turn off the water and open the door” shtick - I’d never heard any of that before.

      (This was back in the 1990s.)

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    7. Re:So the fellow from Yale by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

      Where do people go to learn that urine isn't the problem?

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    8. Re:So the fellow from Yale by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Unless you have a urinary tract infection, pee is rather sterile. In fact, urine is the recommended first aid to jellyfish stings, given its ammonia content and relative sterility in places with no running water. The main reason to wash your hands is gut bacteria that spread themselves around the skin down there.

      My pet pee-ve about public restrooms is the ordering of (1) do your thing, (2) zip up, (3) wash your hands. Specifically, stage 2 before 3. I'd rather not use my clothes as a germ wipe, but I feel this ordering is socially implied (if not dick-tated) by having a common wash-up area separate from the individual urinals and stalls. Of course, like some other things down there, it's a mixed bag -- your pants might not be super sanitary to begin with, so it's a good idea to wash after touching them anyway.

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    9. Re: So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      weirdo. stay at home then.

    10. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who doesn't do this? Do those people wonder why there's often a trash can next to the door?

    11. Re:So the fellow from Yale by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's how you're supposed to do it. Tip: if the paper towel dispensers don't have motion-sensed dispensing, use the dispensing handle before you wash your hands. Just don't tear it off until they're clean. If your hands are still wet, use that towel to cover the dispensing handle while you get some more. Then throw the final towel away after opening the door with it. If they don't put a trash can by the door, throw it neatly in the corner. They'll figure out soon enough.

  20. NEVER wsdh my hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember that the next time you stick out your paw and expect me to shake it.

  21. Nothing wrong with washing hands, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing wrong with washing hands, but an hour after you do that, the germs are back.

    At one time I got sick (cold or flu) about twice a year. Then, after reading some article, I started consciously trying to never touch my face with my hands. You may think this is easy, but it's hard. People do it all day long without realizing it. At first I would catch my hand going up to my face, and twist it so that the back of the hand landed. Eventually, I quit touching altogether. Haven't had cold or flu in maybe 6-7 years, except for once this past winter (and I think I remember touching my face to cause it).

  22. Public restrooms and handwashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's demoralizing to see the state of handwashing hygiene. While using a public restroom I would hazard that fewer than half the population (of males at least) wash their hands regularly based on the frequency with which I see someone turn away from a urinal or exit a stall to bolt directly for the door. The slight consolation I get is knowing they grab the same door handle that every other non-handwasher grabbed before them. I, like many other handwashers, use our drying towel to grab the door handle.

    Two postscripts. The Sierra Nevada Brewery's restaurant restroom has a footgrab specifically to open the bathroom door without using hands. I like that. Second, I recently washed my hands next to a person who was fastidious about it, putting my own handwashing to shame. A nice additional trick I noticed was that he operated the hand lever-operated towel dispenser prior to washing his hands, then just tore off the paper towel once his hands were clean.

    1. Re:Public restrooms and handwashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Two postscripts. The Sierra Nevada Brewery's restaurant restroom has a footgrab specifically to open the bathroom door without using hands. I like that.

      It's not *that* unusual; it's a standard widget that anyone can buy (although I haven't come across it very often either):

      https://www.stepnpull.com/

      http://www.thetoepener.com/

      http://www.footpull.com/

      > Second, I recently washed my hands next to a person who was fastidious about it, putting my own handwashing to shame. A nice additional trick I noticed was that he operated the hand lever-operated towel dispenser prior to washing his hands, then just tore off the paper towel once his hands were clean.

      Nothing stopping you from learning from a handwash-fu master :-)

  23. Why You Should Only Eat Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you cannot be trusted to wash your hands by the correct book. Leave that to the professionals at your favorite eateries, like Chipotle.

  24. "Numerous" ?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very scientific, indeed!

  25. Re:Here's a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much do you weigh and what's your height?

  26. Compliance should be improving now by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

    Luckily, due to recent court rulings, you no longer owe royalties for singing while you wash your hands. Because of these lower costs, from now on more people will have cleaner hands.

  27. Experts in washing their hands off anything: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The U.S. government. Who else?

  28. Blame Ron Perlman. by will_die · · Score: 1

    He is going around pissing on his hands then shaking hands with other people. Stuff like that is sure to spread some bacteria.
    So people don't go pissing on your hands before greeting people.

    1. Re:Blame Ron Perlman. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, urine is a pretty good antiseptic. Loaded with ammonia and all.

  29. improved immunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. That means we're building our immune systems instead of killing them.

  30. Foodborne shmoodborne by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    I've had probable food poisoning once in 40 years. As it was Mexican, it's probable it was salmonella. This germophobia is completely an overreaction and puts the immune system on hold with no real defense for something real.

    1. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've had probable food poisoning once in 40 years. As it was Mexican, it's probable it was salmonella.

      You don't eat out much, do you? Food poisoning is a lot more common than most people think. It's virtually always either food cross-contamination (either touching things and then not hand washing, or storing food incorrectly) or contamination with fecal matter due to failure to wash hands correctly, or at all.

      This germophobia is completely an overreaction and puts the immune system on hold with no real defense for something real.

      Good luck with that, sport. In reality, there's too many different strains of E.Coli, shigella &c; for you to resist them all.

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    2. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can, who teaches people this bullshit. If you've got a weakened immune system because you've been abusing antibiotic compounds then yes, of course you're not going to be able to resist all of those bacteria. But, if you've got a healthy complement of bacteria lining your skin and your digestive track, then you shouldn't need to resist all those bacteria you come into contact with as they won't have that foothold to grow from.

      The reality is different, adult life expectancy hasn't changed much over the last few thousands of years when you control for the drop in deaths due to trauma. There were people in Rome living to be a hundred and the life expectancy of individuals in other civilized areas weren't that much lower than they are in the modern developed world when you ignore childhood mortality.

    3. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      119 reviews on Zomato say you've no idea what you're talking about.

    4. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      You don't eat out much, do you? Food poisoning is a lot more common than most people think.

      Washing my hands won't help if the bacteria are already in the food.

  31. I don't want all the germs removed by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Removing all germs is why more and more people get sick so often. They're so germophobic their bodies don't develop immunity to minor bugs, let alone the bigger ones. These are the same people who run to the doctor when they have a sniffle and demand an antibiotic which is why we are beginning to see antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

    The best thing a child can do when growing up is eat two pounds of dirt.

    NOTE: this does not mean I don't wash my hands after using the restroom or that people who handle food should not wash their hands. I'm only saying that building up an immunity would go a long way to helping mitigate outbreaks.

  32. Bad study data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To conclude all Americans are like this is a big flaw in this study. This and the other study only looked at specific regions, at best you can conclude that Carolinians are worse at hand-washing than Michiginians but a proper study has to be done across geographies which would show perhaps geographical preferences correlated perhaps with educational, occupational or other metrics.

  33. Soap by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    Do they comment on the use, or non-use, of anti-bacterial soaps?
    Various sources say to never use anti-bacterial soap (including Dr House!), but I'm not sure if I've seen a definitive study on it.
    I tend to use whatever is sold in the shop (which, for liquid soap at least, is likely anti-bacterial).

    1. Re: Soap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the soap helps break down the oily film on your skin that the bacteria are in, then rinsing removes that part muxed into the soapy water. and drying mechanically removes a bit more. But it'll all be back within an hour or so anyways.

  34. Re:Here's a thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How emaciated are you? People with under weight problems tend to see healthier people as overweight. It's a mental/physical disease they actually culture.

  35. Every day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see an amazing number of people who don't even know how soap works. It's apparent they don't because they get some liquid soap on their dry hands, spread it around for a couple of seconds, and then rinse it off - as if the soap itself is some magical cleaner. Don't try to explain to them how water does the cleaning work and soap just allows it to happen, their eyes glaze over.

  36. Next Newsline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have probably been washing your ass wrong.

  37. Inaccurate time keeping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

    They should recommend just count two sets of one mississippi two mississippi ......

  38. Re:Here's a thought... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    Your bandying about of "mental disease" makes me think you are a ProgLib living in the SF Bay Area If not, you should move there -- they are fond of calling everyone not like themselves "crazy" or "mentally ill" That's not to say you don't have a point, but it's a "perception" not an illness. As in obese people perceive normal people as underweight and vice versa. However, we as humans all have our biases, and having a bias DOES NOT make you mentally ill, merely human Frankly I wish people such as yourself would get some help. Maybe get out and interact with others, take up a sport or other social activity -- there's clearly something not healthy about your lifestyle and way of thinking about other human beings. It's like the guy that walks around all day calling everyone else an asshole for every minor transgression -- oblivious to the fact that he's the one that's actually the asshole Maybe you could start by taking a good look at your biases in every day life. It might help you relate to human beings better

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  40. Ive concluded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That I dont care what our government concludes.

  41. It's a 9/11 level of death every year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be its TSA.

  42. Economics concludes: the US government sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want the lowest quality for the highest price, just ask Uncle Sam.

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  44. Your Belt by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    You wipe your ass, pull up your pants and do them up, then do up your belt. THEN you wash your hands. Your belt, pants button, and zipper are probably fucking disgusting.

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    1. Re:Your Belt by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Your phone is probably the most disgusting thing around. How many people play on their phone while in the bathroom, wash their hands, and then play on the phone again ?

  45. I'd be happy ... by sgunhouse · · Score: 2

    if most people flushed the toilet or urinal and tried to wash their hands in the store. Truth is, many of them just come in, do their business and leave - no flush, no washing. Then there's those that do flush but don't wash.

    I'm familiar with the discussion about over-washing. Many of those germs are actually good for you. But come on, what's worse than an unsanitary public restroom?

  46. 20 seconds? Beyond OCD... by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    Not even some people with OCD dry their hands for that long.

  47. everyone? by mcswell · · Score: 1

    If I'm not about to prepare food, and if I don't suck my thumb, and if I have a normal immune system, what diff does it make?

  48. Just wash them. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy if they would just wash them in the first place.
    Seems like a lot of WHITE MEN are not washing their hands. I don't recall a black, asian men not washing their hands after crapping! Just white men.
    I politely remind them... then not so politely. WASH YOUR HANDS MAN! NOBODY WANTS YOUR CRAP. I DON'T CARE HOW CAREFUL YOU WERE, THERE IS CRAP ON THEM. Seems like they're all liberals.
    Dumbasses.

  49. % of CDC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the study mention what percentage of CDC employees wash their hands wrong?

  50. Wasted time is worse than wasted lifes by david-bo · · Score: 1

    300 million people washing their hand 5 times a day 30 seconds (20 seconds with soap, 10 seconds to wash off the soap) = 1427 year of time wasted on hand washing every day. Per year 521 000 year are spent washing hands. If the 3 000 people that die from food poisoning every year expected life span was 80 years their deaths = 240 000 "wasted" year (not taking into account (a) that someone who is 40 years old when she dies only have 40 years left to live and, (b) people dying from food poisoning probably, in general, are old and weak, reducing the number of remaining years further).

    In other words, washing your hands is a very inefficient way of spending your time if you want to use your limited time alive to do something meaningful.

  51. Reasonable recommendations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recommendations for lowering sodium intake are stupid. Many people actually get too little salt from their diet, but "common knowledge" is that we all consume too much of it. The purpose is apparently to lower the mean consumption, which looks good on paper but does very little to save the minority of over-consumers from potential heart disease.

    What does this have to do with washing your hands? Well, barely anyone washes their hand by the book. But the question is, are the recommendations good? Or are they there to increase mean soap-on-hands-time? Should the 15-second-washers increase their scrubbing time, or should the 2-second-water-only-washers learn some basic hygiene?

  52. Better Toilet Habits by robinsc · · Score: 1

    I do hope that at some point the Western civilizations are properly toilet trained and understand that you can't clean your backside with paper. A very good experiment i read about some where. Rub your hands in nutella and try to wipe them off with a paper towel. Can you still smell nutella ? Water is the only solution . Indian civilizations had a very simple method of maintaining hygiene. Eat with your right hand wash your backside with your left hand. Don't mix the two....
    Now that we have better soap if we continue to follow this philosophy its much easier to keep things clean.

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  53. Third world people = third world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the Jews want.
    It's THIRD WORLD people who aren't washing their hands properly, including doctors and nurses from shithole countries like India, who are KILLING people because of their third world arrogance and stupidity. It's third world people who cause most foodborne illnesses, with their foul takeaways and food production plants. It's eating animal products that causes these foodborne illnesses too.
    We are talking about people who come from countries where open defecation is the NORM. Who never wash their hands. Who dive into the Ganges to wash, for God's sake.

  54. washing hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a waste of Money!!!! What we should do is wash our hands of the ones who ran this study, fire them all. We've been washing our hands for thousands of years! I don't think we need some pencil neck in Washington telling us that we're all doing it wrong. What an idiot!

  55. Door and faucets handles too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two more tips for washing hands in a public restroom:

    (1) leave the water running while you dry your hands (with a paper towel)

      (1a) use the paper towel to turn off the faucet.

    Why? Because your hands were dirty when you touched the faucet to turn it on. And so were everyone else's hands. It's one of the dirtiest spots in the restroom.

    (2) use the same paper towel to open the door. Same reason, except worse: often times there are people who never wash their hands opening that door. Even people who have just pooped and wiped.

  56. 20 Seconds! This ain't no Union shop! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ain't nobody got time for that. If that's how you are wasting your time, we're gonna have to dock your pay.

  57. Hey, USDA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's all this, "you're washing your hands wrong", stuff?

    That's for Apple to tell us, Mister!

  58. i'm in the 3% by iq145 · · Score: 1

    i'm a paleontologist by profession, and i can note that those who do indeed wash their hands "correctly" are almost ALL employed either in medicine or the sciences. The others (the 97%) don't feel the need. Who is right and who is wrong? i can't say, because i've also noticed, the human race is not exactly going extinct...