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US Government Study Concludes: You're Probably Washing Your Hands Wrong (cnn.com)

97% of us don't wash our hands properly, a new government study concludes. An anonymous reader quotes CNN: The study from the U.S. Department of Agriculture shows most consumers failed to wash their hands and rub with soap for 20 seconds. That's the amount of time recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which says that washing for shorter periods means fewer germs are removed. "Numerous" study participants also didn't dry their hands with a clean towel.

The study involved 383 people in six test kitchen facilities in the metro Raleigh-Durham area of North Carolina and in rural Smithfield, North Carolina, the USDA said... About half the time, participants spread bacteria to spice containers while preparing burgers, and 11% of the time, they spread bacteria to refrigerator handles... The results from the USDA's study indicate our hand-washing habits may be getting worse. A study done in 2013 by Michigan State University found only 5% of people washed their hands correctly....

A separate study released this month found 49 of 100 towels tested showed growth of bacteria normally found in or on the human body.

CNN helpfully provides the proper method for handwashing. (Wet hands, lather them with soap -- between fingers and under fingernails -- and then scrub for at least 20 seconds.) They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

Just in America, foodborne illnesses sicken 48 million people each year, sending 128,000 to hospitals and resulting in 3,000 deaths.

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  1. This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our environments should be clean, not sterile. We have defenses, evolved over millions of years, in place specifically for handling these things. Unless you're immuno-compromised, going into surgery, or work in a restaurant, there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.

    1. Re: This is idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are wrong.

      Washing hands does not make the world sterile. It makes sure that the tools you were born with are clean enough to rub your eyes, scratch your skin or put food in your mouth.

      Generally, your hands may be clean enough. But, when you go to the bathroom, wash your hands. Touch raw meat, wash your hands. Shake hands with someone whose hygiene practices you do not know, wash your hands.

      Some things can make you very sick. Fecal bacteria is one of those things.

      I agree that we don't need a sterile world, but a clean one is ideal.

      Wash your hands!

    2. Re: This is idiotic by olsmeister · · Score: 1
    3. Re:This is idiotic by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      The point isn't that you should worry about regular bacteria, it is that if they had something contagious on their hands it would spread by the same amount as the regular harmless stuff. They're not going to infect volunteers with salmonella to do the test!

    4. Re: This is idiotic by NettiWelho · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't do that.

      You can only get a parasite from someone who has parasites

    5. Re:This is idiotic by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      there's no reason to not allow your immune system to do its job.

      You know the way the immune system does it's job right? You're at home in bed coughing running a fever. Just because you're not immunocompromised doesn't mean you should tongue kiss every diseased person out there.

      Wash your hands you dirty grub.

    6. Re: This is idiotic by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      But, when you go to the bathroom, wash your hands. Touch raw meat, wash your hands. Shake hands with someone whose hygiene practices you do not know, wash your hands.

      How about opening a door ? Moving a chair ? Turning off the light in the bathroom after you wash your hands ? Buying a snack from a vending machine ?

      Some things can make you very sick. Fecal bacteria is one of those things.

      Yes, they *can*. Most of the time, they don't.

    7. Re: This is idiotic by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      This is why any place that doesn't put a trash can by the door to the bathroom gets a pile of paper towels on the floor. I don't touch that handle with bare hands.

    8. Re: This is idiotic by HiThere · · Score: 1, Informative

      Washing your hands is good. The practice they are recommending is what is recommended for medical professionals on the job...and not usually followed by them.

      There are good reasons to NOT wash your hands that thoroughly. Doing so is likely to damage the skin, leading to rough and cracked skin that literally cannot be washed thoroughly. Most medical practices now recognize this, and I believe that the use of thin plastic gloves rather than depending on excessive hand washing is now uniformly the practice. Before that they had switched to a hand foam sterilizer that was less abusive to the skin, but less isn't not.

      For home use, use warm (not hot) water and a decent soap that doesn't irritate the skin, and clean under the fingernails when convenient, and definitely after a bowel movement. Don't be excessive, as that's as damaging as not being sufficient.

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    9. Re: This is idiotic by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Hard to do if the door opens inward and they don't have one of the toe handles.

    10. Re:This is idiotic by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Washing you hands in dirty water is pretty pointless.

      Wow, found someone who doesn't know what soap is.

      the US has some of the shitiest water in the entire developed world, really, really bad. Lead, fracking chemicals, pesticides, all sorts of infectious agents

      The US has quite average water and is borderline poison in some places, but infectious agents? Get a grip man. Even in 3rd world shitholes (actual shitholes, not Trump shitholes) you're better off washing your hands than not.

      Let me guess, you don't shower either?

    11. Re: This is idiotic by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Then those restrooms end up migrating to air drying machines and removing paper towels and its an inward opening door.

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  2. allergies by religionofpeas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

    1. Re:allergies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

      Only in the first few months of life. After that, it doesn't matter.

    2. Re:allergies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      and the first few years.

      Nope. There is no evidence for that. In fact, the first few days seem to be the most important. C-section babies have more autoimmune disorders later in life, likely because they are not exposed to bacteria and fungi in the birth canal. Breastfeeders have less problems, likely because they ingest beneficial skin flora from their mothers.

    3. Re:allergies by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Studies have shown that excessive cleanliness increases chances of developing allergies.

      There's a big difference between excessive cleanliness and washing your hands properly.

    4. Re:allergies by antdude · · Score: 1

      And I still get sick with all the pollens, dusts, etc. even when not cleaned. :(

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    5. Re:allergies by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Studies have show that /. isn't the place to promote good hygiene.

      Go back to eating your cheetos and wiping them off on your week old underwear.

      Ewwww.

    6. Re:allergies by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      How long would it take before your hands have the bacteria level of a 5 second wash ?

      Imagine having a 5 second was combined with your phone. Speaking of bacteria level where did you get your phone from? Your soft tissue pocket that was rubbing against your screen?

      The odds of you picking up something from a device only you use and that spends it's time against fabric (bacteria survive best on solid warm surfaces with moisture) are quite low compared to something like shaking someone's hand.

      Plus you should wipe your phone.

      You should understand the exposure and transmission of disease. I didn't just come up, wipe my snotty nose in my hands and then reach over and grab you by your belt buckle, stick my hand in your pocket and fondle your .... phone. :-)

      You're not protecting against yourself by washing your hands, you're protecting against others. For that you should focus on things that come in contact with others. I'm not a clean freak, but the one thing that truly freaks me out is a communal keyboard with visible gunk on it.

      Speaking of what you *should* be worried about, ever notice that in areas where food is served in many countries they offer anti-bacterial gel dispensers? Ever wonder why specifically in *that* area, hint: It has nothing to do with your pocket.

  3. Well by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've known this approximately forever. Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective. Maybe invent a box that people can just stick their hands in for thirty seconds, emerging perfectly washed. Or keep complaining about them being lazy and just keep letting them get other people sick. Whatever you prefer.

    1. Re:Well by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Ooh, let me think this through for a moment. Should I believe CDC or are they in fact entirely wrong and I need to listen to someone anonymous on the internet.

      On reflection I think I may need something a little more evidence oriented.

    2. Re:Well by lhunath · · Score: 1

      Not sure it's the kind of thing you want to be doing every 5 minutes daily.

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    3. Re:Well by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Expecting people to do this perfect hand washing doesn't seem to be working, from a systems perspective.

      The systems work against us, especially in America. One easy way to reduce the spread of disease, give people sickleave completely independent from their holiday leave, and tell them to stay the heck away from others. The problem with relying on washing from hands is that only works if you live and work in a bathroom. Normal people will do things while suffering from a viral infection like sneeze, cough, use their computer, touch doorknobs, god forbid rub their nose, and then they will walk up and shake your hand.

    4. Re:Well by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      We already have a system in place. It's used by medical professionals. It's called alcohol gel.

      Very handy for being many places in the world that expect you to wash with cold water or don't have an acceptable means to dry yourself.

      Even places that are over hyped in the kind of America bashing videos that George Takei shares have places that don't cut the mustard.

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    5. Re:Well by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Let's wait until the CDC actually produces evidence that everybody's average standard of life will improve, rather than just doing a bacteria count.

    6. Re:Well by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      Maybe invent a box that people can just stick their hands in for thirty seconds, emerging perfectly washed.

      Done.

    7. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you a medical professional? Do you know how then sanitize their hands? Apparently not.

      First you wash your hands using water and soap THEN apply alcohol based desinfectant (not gel). Alcohol gel is the household product companies sell to ordinary customers. Nothing wrong with that but not what they use in hospitals etc.

      Also, if your hands are dirty, adding alcohol gel and smearing the dirt around will not make them clean, that is why you should wash your hands first. But sure, if you have no way of cleaning your hands other than alcohol gel, it is better than nothing.

  4. Re:But... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    dry out and crack

    and the "solution" is to put lots of lotion on, which gets grease and grime all over everything, creating germ risk elsewhere.

  5. Sterile environments are not good for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't wipe your ass and eat the finger food without washing your hands, but if you always wash like you're preparing for doing surgery, you're going to do more damage than good.

  6. RIAA immediately sues everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    For uncompensated public performances of copyrighted music.

  7. Alphabet singing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just remember next time an immaculately dressed gentlemen sings the alphabet next to you in a Branson gas station restroom while knowingly eyeing your back as you empty your bladder, he's definitely not aiming to cut out your liver out and cook it in front of you, watching you die a horrible death.

    He's just practicing the USDA approved method for washing one's hands.

  8. Is it worth it? by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How much time per year do I lose to foodborn illnesses?

    How much time would I lose due to washing my hands for 20+ seconds at a time after every use of the toilet?

    Off topic, but my grandmother said that when she installed a dishwasher, her family stopped catching diseases from each other. Presumably the dishwasher used hotter water than hand washing, and also washed more thoroughly. Now that's a cleanliness method which actually SAVES time and effort!

    1. Re:Is it worth it? by qeveren · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm curious to know what percentage of foodborne illnesses are caused by "didn't wash hands" and what percentage are caused by "saved money someplace in the food supply chain."

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    2. Re: Is it worth it? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Fortunately by ignoring people like you things like cholera are causing problems to a dozen people a year in the US instead of killing several tens of thousands.

    3. Re:Is it worth it? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I see examples of both in the news every year, and they only report it when there are lots of sick people.

    4. Re:Is it worth it? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I will wager that the former is far higher than the latter, but then also completely dwarved by negligence, ignorance and the occasional stupid mistake completely unrelated to money.

    5. Re:Is it worth it? by budcub · · Score: 2

      My mother said the same thing when our family got its dishwasher. It might have been the chlorine bleach that's present in dishwashing detergent.

    6. Re:Is it worth it? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious to know what percentage of foodborne illnesses are caused by "didn't wash hands" and what percentage are caused by "saved money someplace in the food supply chain."

      "didn't wash hands" = "saved money someplace in the food supply chain"

    7. Re:Is it worth it? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Far hotter water, for much longer. I generally rinse things before putting them in the dishwasher unless I'm going to run it right away - just me and the wife here, we eat out a fair bit, so it's not unusual to wash dishes only once a week - but the dishwasher gets rid of all those last little bits of oils and food particles, and it gets the dishes nice and hot (well above the temperature that my water heater produces).

      That said, I don't know that I've ever gotten a GI illness from a family member. Always respiratory, and a dishwasher doesn't do crap for those - you have to wipe down the doorknobs and surfaces, and quarantine the sick person.

    8. Re: Is it worth it? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cholera is about contaminated water, not contaminated hands. Sewage treatment is far, far more important than handwashing in terms of public health impact.

  9. Re:But... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    I'm a fastidious almost OCD hand-washer, my hands don't dry out and crack.

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  10. The US government apparantly... by DrTJ · · Score: 1

    ... does not wash their hands on this subject: telling us how to maintain our hygiene.

    Well, they should lead by good example; please wash your hands!

    Oh, wait...

  11. If you work in government... by cre1mer · · Score: 1

    They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

    That explains all the fake happy people at work these days.

  12. Of course by Kohath · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because if you weren't doing it wrong, you wouldn't need the government or their experts or their journalist friends to lecture you. And then what would those people do?

    1. Re:Of course by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Yes, why would the government study how germs move from your butt to my plate of food in a restaurant. How is that in the mission statement of the Center for Disease Control?

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  13. So the fellow from Yale by mschuyler · · Score: 2

    and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

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    1. Re:So the fellow from Yale by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As funny as it might seem, the guy who did not wash his hands will leave his germs at the door knob.
      The guy who did, will get them, regardless of having washed his hands before.

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    2. Re:So the fellow from Yale by c · · Score: 1

      I've seen handwashing protocols which recommend leaving the bathroom by using a paper towel in hand when opening the door, propping the door with a foot, throwing out the towel, and then leaving.

      I think those showed up at work (an airport) when there was one of those international travel scares.

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    3. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

      One can recognize the chemist by virtue of them washing hands before using the urinal.

    4. Re:So the fellow from Yale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup, that's me. I try to avoid touching anything at all with my bare hands in a public restroom -- not the door, not the faucets, not the paper towel dispenser, and for the love of Leeuwenhoek not any part of the toilet.

      I start by pushing the door open with my foot, although since I'll be washing my hands afterwards (and presumably most people who pull on the outside of a bathroom door do so before their hands have become factories for fecal bacteria) I'll allow for pull-to-enter doors. Once inside, I use a paper towel or strip of toilet tissue to lift lids, flush, turn the water on and off (not the same one on the faucet as I used on the toilet!) and turn the crank of a stuck paper towel dispenser. I absolutely will not use a blow dryer, and thank Pasteur those awful reusable cloth dispenser rolls have disappeared. Finally when I'm done washing and drying I'll use one more paper towel to open the door with. If there's not a trash can near enough to throw the towel in on my way out, I'll carry it until I see a trash can (in a store) or to my table at a restaurant.

      Paranoid and/or OCD? Probably. But I lose approximately zero time a year to bacterial infections from public places. At home, I live in a pigsty. My wife and I have shared germs for 30 years so we'll re-use dishes, towels, whatever. The idea isn't to be germ-free; the idea is to minimize contact with germs your body hasn't learned to fight off.

    5. Re:So the fellow from Yale by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      My daughter was born three months early - so we spent a lot of time at the hospital early on. That’s where I first learned the whole “use a paper towel to turn off the water and open the door” shtick - I’d never heard any of that before.

      (This was back in the 1990s.)

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    6. Re:So the fellow from Yale by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      and the fellow from Harvard were in the lavatory and both used the urinal. The fellow from Yale zipped up and prepared to leave. The fellow from Harvard proceeded to wash his hands and said, "At Harvard they teach is to wash our hands after urinating." The fellow from Yale replied, "At Yale they teach us not to urinate on our hands."

      Where do people go to learn that urine isn't the problem?

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    7. Re:So the fellow from Yale by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

      Unless you have a urinary tract infection, pee is rather sterile. In fact, urine is the recommended first aid to jellyfish stings, given its ammonia content and relative sterility in places with no running water. The main reason to wash your hands is gut bacteria that spread themselves around the skin down there.

      My pet pee-ve about public restrooms is the ordering of (1) do your thing, (2) zip up, (3) wash your hands. Specifically, stage 2 before 3. I'd rather not use my clothes as a germ wipe, but I feel this ordering is socially implied (if not dick-tated) by having a common wash-up area separate from the individual urinals and stalls. Of course, like some other things down there, it's a mixed bag -- your pants might not be super sanitary to begin with, so it's a good idea to wash after touching them anyway.

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    8. Re:So the fellow from Yale by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's how you're supposed to do it. Tip: if the paper towel dispensers don't have motion-sensed dispensing, use the dispensing handle before you wash your hands. Just don't tear it off until they're clean. If your hands are still wet, use that towel to cover the dispensing handle while you get some more. Then throw the final towel away after opening the door with it. If they don't put a trash can by the door, throw it neatly in the corner. They'll figure out soon enough.

  14. Re:Huh by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Congratulations! You win "Idiotic Dick of the Day" for Jun 30th, 2018 Tune back in tomorrow to see if you win "Idiotic Dick of the Month".

        Good luck, I am pulling for you!

  15. Re:North Carolina by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    Politics aside; this is still front-page news about people not knowing how to wash their hands. Front. Page. News. Let alone Slashdot.

    ???

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  16. Compliance should be improving now by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

    They recommend singing the alphabet song once or "Happy Birthday" twice.

    Luckily, due to recent court rulings, you no longer owe royalties for singing while you wash your hands. Because of these lower costs, from now on more people will have cleaner hands.

  17. Re:North Carolina by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Are you sure you want to pull politics into the discussion while representing the blue states of feminists who believe it's empowerment to not shave, to not bathe (because it's apparently a statement against he patriarchy to not run basic hygiene like "proper" women should), and also the blue states where having sex using the holes you shit from is considered a virtue in addition to the newly emerged virtue medal of getting stomach parasites from such fine hygienic blue state activities as anal rimming? Let's not forget fat activism is mainly run by the blue, and those spend a good part of their life never able to reach between certain blubber parts of the body where filth is allowed to accumulate. I can go on.

    Dude, you think way too much about anus. It's a beautiful day and it's a holiday weekend. Go outside and have some fun.

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  18. Blame Ron Perlman. by will_die · · Score: 1

    He is going around pissing on his hands then shaking hands with other people. Stuff like that is sure to spread some bacteria.
    So people don't go pissing on your hands before greeting people.

  19. Foodborne shmoodborne by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    I've had probable food poisoning once in 40 years. As it was Mexican, it's probable it was salmonella. This germophobia is completely an overreaction and puts the immune system on hold with no real defense for something real.

    1. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've had probable food poisoning once in 40 years. As it was Mexican, it's probable it was salmonella.

      You don't eat out much, do you? Food poisoning is a lot more common than most people think. It's virtually always either food cross-contamination (either touching things and then not hand washing, or storing food incorrectly) or contamination with fecal matter due to failure to wash hands correctly, or at all.

      This germophobia is completely an overreaction and puts the immune system on hold with no real defense for something real.

      Good luck with that, sport. In reality, there's too many different strains of E.Coli, shigella &c; for you to resist them all.

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    2. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      119 reviews on Zomato say you've no idea what you're talking about.

    3. Re:Foodborne shmoodborne by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      You don't eat out much, do you? Food poisoning is a lot more common than most people think.

      Washing my hands won't help if the bacteria are already in the food.

  20. I don't want all the germs removed by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Removing all germs is why more and more people get sick so often. They're so germophobic their bodies don't develop immunity to minor bugs, let alone the bigger ones. These are the same people who run to the doctor when they have a sniffle and demand an antibiotic which is why we are beginning to see antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

    The best thing a child can do when growing up is eat two pounds of dirt.

    NOTE: this does not mean I don't wash my hands after using the restroom or that people who handle food should not wash their hands. I'm only saying that building up an immunity would go a long way to helping mitigate outbreaks.

  21. Re:More important than you think... by Alypius · · Score: 1

    The thought that people *only* touched that subway post must be very comforting...

  22. Re:North Carolina by Cederic · · Score: 1

    the holes you shit from

    Wait, there's more than one? I must be doing it wrong.

  23. Soap by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    Do they comment on the use, or non-use, of anti-bacterial soaps?
    Various sources say to never use anti-bacterial soap (including Dr House!), but I'm not sure if I've seen a definitive study on it.
    I tend to use whatever is sold in the shop (which, for liquid soap at least, is likely anti-bacterial).

  24. Re: Huh by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    It's because of the environment they are both stored in.
    Honey is sealed in wax in a hive, and this has no access to air. It does have a natural anti-bacterial agent in it too. No oxygen and no bacteria means it can't spoil.

    Jam, when made, is stored in air-tight sterile (boiled, typically) jars, typically while the jam is still very hot (so it can be poured into the jar before it sets). Again, no oxygen, and no bacteria, so it won't spoil.

    Leave a jar of jam open out of the fridge and it'll spoil in a few days. Similarly with honey.

  25. Re:Here's a thought... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

    Your bandying about of "mental disease" makes me think you are a ProgLib living in the SF Bay Area If not, you should move there -- they are fond of calling everyone not like themselves "crazy" or "mentally ill" That's not to say you don't have a point, but it's a "perception" not an illness. As in obese people perceive normal people as underweight and vice versa. However, we as humans all have our biases, and having a bias DOES NOT make you mentally ill, merely human Frankly I wish people such as yourself would get some help. Maybe get out and interact with others, take up a sport or other social activity -- there's clearly something not healthy about your lifestyle and way of thinking about other human beings. It's like the guy that walks around all day calling everyone else an asshole for every minor transgression -- oblivious to the fact that he's the one that's actually the asshole Maybe you could start by taking a good look at your biases in every day life. It might help you relate to human beings better

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  28. Your Belt by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    You wipe your ass, pull up your pants and do them up, then do up your belt. THEN you wash your hands. Your belt, pants button, and zipper are probably fucking disgusting.

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    1. Re:Your Belt by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Your phone is probably the most disgusting thing around. How many people play on their phone while in the bathroom, wash their hands, and then play on the phone again ?

  29. I'd be happy ... by sgunhouse · · Score: 2

    if most people flushed the toilet or urinal and tried to wash their hands in the store. Truth is, many of them just come in, do their business and leave - no flush, no washing. Then there's those that do flush but don't wash.

    I'm familiar with the discussion about over-washing. Many of those germs are actually good for you. But come on, what's worse than an unsanitary public restroom?

  30. 20 seconds? Beyond OCD... by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    Not even some people with OCD dry their hands for that long.

  31. Re: Huh by demonlapin · · Score: 1

    Neither jam nor honey will spoil if kept pure. Yeah, if you double-dip the knife and get bread crumbs in there, those will go bad, but by themselves? There's so much sugar in there that any bacteria die of dehydration.

    You really don't need to refrigerate a lot of things. Mayonnaise (really), mustard, ketchup, soy sauce, Worcestershire sauce, fish sauce, salsas... most condiments and toppings are perfectly safe if you don't contaminate them with bits of bread, chips, pasta, etc. Refrigeration slows oxidation and so preserves flavor, but as far as food safety is concerned, it's a non-issue. Just remember: unless you have squeeze bottles, serve from the primary container into a small ramekin, and then use that to dress your sandwich.

  32. everyone? by mcswell · · Score: 1

    If I'm not about to prepare food, and if I don't suck my thumb, and if I have a normal immune system, what diff does it make?

  33. Just wash them. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy if they would just wash them in the first place.
    Seems like a lot of WHITE MEN are not washing their hands. I don't recall a black, asian men not washing their hands after crapping! Just white men.
    I politely remind them... then not so politely. WASH YOUR HANDS MAN! NOBODY WANTS YOUR CRAP. I DON'T CARE HOW CAREFUL YOU WERE, THERE IS CRAP ON THEM. Seems like they're all liberals.
    Dumbasses.

  34. Re:But... by HiThere · · Score: 2

    That wouldn't do it. I suspect the gp uses a "soap" that's got a lot of oil in it. A *lot*. I'm dubious about how clean such soaps get you. But if he's a compulsive hand washer that may be the best choice he has, and just by itself warm water helps a lot.

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  35. Re: Huh by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    I would remind you that like me, CNN and Pelosi are Americans and are thus disgusting animal landwhales.

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  36. Re:North Carolina by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Personally, I don't much care for Durham, but Raleigh is a fantastic place to live

    Yeah, Raleigh is a pretty nice city with some excellent, if inauthentic BBQ. But there are still enough Trump voters in the region to skew the averages way down.

    They don't live in California, so they're probably all cavemen, useless to expect civilized behaviour from them.

    Yes, that was my point, although California is not the only civilized part of the US. There's also New York, Chicago, Minneapolis, Seattle, etc.

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  37. Wasted time is worse than wasted lifes by david-bo · · Score: 1

    300 million people washing their hand 5 times a day 30 seconds (20 seconds with soap, 10 seconds to wash off the soap) = 1427 year of time wasted on hand washing every day. Per year 521 000 year are spent washing hands. If the 3 000 people that die from food poisoning every year expected life span was 80 years their deaths = 240 000 "wasted" year (not taking into account (a) that someone who is 40 years old when she dies only have 40 years left to live and, (b) people dying from food poisoning probably, in general, are old and weak, reducing the number of remaining years further).

    In other words, washing your hands is a very inefficient way of spending your time if you want to use your limited time alive to do something meaningful.

  38. Better Toilet Habits by robinsc · · Score: 1

    I do hope that at some point the Western civilizations are properly toilet trained and understand that you can't clean your backside with paper. A very good experiment i read about some where. Rub your hands in nutella and try to wipe them off with a paper towel. Can you still smell nutella ? Water is the only solution . Indian civilizations had a very simple method of maintaining hygiene. Eat with your right hand wash your backside with your left hand. Don't mix the two....
    Now that we have better soap if we continue to follow this philosophy its much easier to keep things clean.

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  39. i'm in the 3% by iq145 · · Score: 1

    i'm a paleontologist by profession, and i can note that those who do indeed wash their hands "correctly" are almost ALL employed either in medicine or the sciences. The others (the 97%) don't feel the need. Who is right and who is wrong? i can't say, because i've also noticed, the human race is not exactly going extinct...