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UK Launches National Dashcam Database For Snitching On Bad Drivers (cnet.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: Drivers in England and Wales now have a direct line to police for ratting on their fellow motorists, thanks to a new national dash cam database. The National Dash Cam Safety Portal, run by UK dashcam manufacturer Nextbase, lets drivers upload footage from their dashcam to a single database and send it directly to police, the BBC reports. Drivers can choose their region of England or Wales and send footage of accidents or illegal behavior on the road directly to local police, as well as sending a witness statement that can then be used in court.
All that's left is to incentivize everyone to snitch, and we're back to the soviet dream
The UK continuing in its steady descent toward a police state.
The fact that it doesn't include Scotland, or Northern Ireland doesn't really make it a 'UK National' service.
Admittedly, Scotland does have its own legal system, which may have subtly different procedures to follow.
Also terms and conditions of the service mean that NextBase is entitled to use your clips in their adverts, or possibly sending them on to those car crash tv shows.
11. Rights you license
11.1 When you upload or post content to our site (including, but without limitation dashcam videos), you grant to us a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, sub-licensable, royalty-free and transferable licence to use, exploit, copy, store, disclose, reproduce, publish, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform and otherwise use that content for any purpose across any media including, but not limited to, promoting the site and its content, promoting our business, and promoting our products and services.
However, earlier on in the terms, it states that "Whilst you retain legal ownership of your rights in your content, you are required to grant us the license described in paragraph 11 (Rights you license)."
What about GDPR? You can't go filming people (aka gathering personal data) all day long in the (unlikely) event that you'll film something illegal...
Rather than call and complain, and maybe the close will see the guy in the next 10 minutes, this will allow sociopathic road behavior to be truly curtailed. Yes, i see the whining. Sure, if you go to court, they don't see what that other idiot did to piss you of, but your vehicular assault was your action.
This is really stupid.
I'm not willing to trade off our rights until this is a real-time in-vehicle tagging system with 4k video upload over cellular and police cars flying by to catch the asshole I've tagged.
...this seems to be really neccessary.
But the Russian videos are still the BEST!
It's not "the UK" and it's not a "national database" seemingly run by the Gov. or the police.
It is a private site, run by a private dashcam company, that just redirects you to the individual police force pace, (England and Wales only, so if it's Scotland or NI you're looking for then you're SOL).
They are nice-enough to state in their T&Cs that "You may be use [sic] the NDSP to upload footage from any dash cam, action camera, mobile phone or any other type of camera from any manufacturer."
I bloody well should think so, since they're just linking through to the cops own sites!
Back in the 80s he proposed that drivers get a dart a month. You can shoot that dart at an asshole driver. If a driver collects 3 or more darts they lose driving privileges for a month.
Simply brilliant
/ RIP funny man
Don't get me wrong it's probably a good thing the UK wasn't occupied by the nazis but had they been they would be not so keen on such practice. Denunciating your neighbors or even complete strangers is considered wrong, I hope. At least survivors of WW2 thought so.
Really, what kind of Do-Gooder has the time and energy to upload twenty videos every day? Sure, they're persistent, but there's a limit even with that crowd.
It's got police force logos on it, which implies that they endorse it. If they don't then hopefully they will pay Nextbase a visit to sort that out.
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Not sure if anyone actually wants to follow the cnet link in TFA, but it's broken. Here's a working one: https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/u...
Oh arse
From the F BBC article:
"Road users are now able to submit footage of dangerous driving to police in England and Wales, using a platform set up by a dashcam manufacturer."
Just as people snitching on child abusers, robbers, rapists, violent thugs is bad! If people want to risk the life of others and behaving dangerously they should be able to without being being told on by stinking rats!
If this continues drunks can't safely drive home on the wrong side of the road anymore. Incredible.
Find a dashcam video of a legitimate bad driver with a similar car to someone you want to harrass. Change the license plate number in the video to be the license plate number of your target. Now you have "video evidence" of them breaking the law.
Or, heck, you can extort every person with a similar car - the tech to overwrite the license plate number isn't super complex these days. Build a bunch of "personalized" videos for each of your targets, email them threatening to upload the video (resulting in, say, a $100 fine plus an insurance rate hit and points off their license) to the database unless they pay you $50....
China has this. They even pay for the evidence. So, of course, people with the dashcams entrap/bait drivers, doing VERY dangerous maneuvers, like stopping dead on a highway and then filming people driving around them on the shoulder.
I expect the same will happen in the UK, the payment will be revenge on someone you're pissed off at. Perhaps they cut you off earlier, but you don't think the evidence is good enough. Maybe you don't appreciate their natural lawn in the neighbourhood. Whatever.
There's never a shortage of those self-centered enough to impinge on others.
The police state relies almost entirely on the likes of you.
'I like it because it benefits me. Screw whether or not you like it because it infringes on you.' = My imagined benefit, no interest in you.
'I feel safe knowing that security theater is protecting me. Do you want to support terrorists?' = My imagined benefit, no interest in you.
No Not fake Vid that is Political opponent breaking UK driving laws. How they got in UK driving same side even though American not important bust them. After they sort out fake vids, Habitual offenders will be first targets. Example Japan found a guy, To late, but he exhibited dangerous rage on multiple occasions and finally a couple killed as he forced the to stop and truck came up from behind and killed them accidentally. Also an interesting way to fund the policemen department expenses. Over budget this month find some vids and top up ticket revenue. AI software companies will want in to do analysis since takes time to go thru footage.
the Nazis pushed people to Snitch on others
dui needs an test to make it stick not an photo
"this submission sponsored by nextbase dash cams"
Any of you who lived in communist Poland or Ukraine will agree: A population that informs on itself to the police stops being a civilization and becomes simply a population, living in a culture of suspicion and fear, or passive aggressive seething anger.
Its starts with reporting bad behavior on the road.. it ends with people who express out loud in a pub their empathy for the peaceful majority of Muslims being dragged from their families in the middle of the night, and never seen again.
Who'se actually "safe" in that world? And please don't say the honest law abiding people with nothing to hide. That is naive and not supported by fact.
There's a whole bunch of silver surfers who live on Hayling Island, who currently name and shame motorists who drive in less than thoughtful, considerate ways. They currently just take photos on their smart phones (let's not wonder how they manage to take a picture of someone else's driving legally) and post them to the Hayling group on Facebook ..
This is going to give them a whole new, potentially litigious way of abusing visitors to the island. Wow.
The police have obviously latched on to rate-driver.co.uk as a Good Idea.
There will be unexpected, unhelpful consequences.
Used correctly this kind of thing could be good, getting dangerous drivers off the streets, increasing accountability of emergency services abusing their privileges, etc. However it would take a lot to convince me that would be the case. Here in the US there have been more than a few cases (Michael DeHerrera Beating, Hollywood FL "pull a little Disney" video, LAPD dashcam tampering, etc.) where equipment meant to keep them accountable has "malfunctions" and videos that do exist are next to impossible to acquire. And while this database seems will be maintained by a company, the police would obviously have a say in what videos they see fit to act on, and at least to a degree what videos the company would release on their own.
Monitor your favorite politician family car 24/24 for one week.
The county sheriff was given my dash cam footage last summer after someone did this (33 seconds in). Does that make me a snitch?
Hell no. That driver put everyone else in grave danger and deserved to have their license revoked. Talk to anyone that has had a loved one killed behind the wheel by a drunk and they will agree.
I would just shoot all drivers making the smallest mistake, because driving a killer vehicle requires responsibility
Why stop with dashcams? I would love to have an app where you could just take a photo of a double parked car, or a dog owner not picking up after, and send it with GPS and time info to the police. Even if most were ignored, as they would surely be, the feeling of having done something would help me.
A police state is not created because the police have too many information, but because they are not controlled enough.
Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
As someone who likes to drive I initially hated the idea of self-driving cars. But, after suffering the countless unnecessary slow downs due to inattentive/texting drivers, or rubber-neckers(Grrr!!!), people that hit the brake randomly and for no reason whatsoever, I'm eager for self driving cars. They'll allow me to enjoy driving again.
First: This exposes that there is simply no confidence in the current enforcement, standards or that not, since a private entity (with support) feel this is necessary.
Second: Videos can lack context, either purposely or incidentally. Take for instance in my area. I was being accused of speeding and thoughtless driving to our condo association so I obtained a dash cam with speed, location and video in order to protect myself. Not too long afterwards I got harassed in the street by someone accusing me of speeding. I was able to defend myself by saying (with ability to produce) evidence I did not speed. She proceeded to say you go even slower.
I was able to defend myself, but if someone had video, either edited for effect, point of view distortion or other context issues, that might not be the case.
What's keeping this from being used to set up someone from being harassed? Someone especially in the case of no actual law being broken?
That a number of people believe this is necessary points to the true problem, which is a broken system.
The reasonableness of doing so depends in part on what you do with it. If you warn the person against doing it again, you can set up a situation that when the police catch the person driving recklessly the court can set the punishment based on the total history, not just the incident the police caught.
Using it to issue warnings would also give the driver an incentive to correct himself.
So there are socially reasonable ways to use it, if you can get past the whole Big Brother thing.
Will police and government vehicles be cited when video is uploaded of them? That might be the first focused effort of the public. The enforcers need to be held to the same standard.
Here is one candidate I would like to nominate for this scheme : https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...
Around here, we're forbidden from even having them in our cars here, and the footage has no value in a courtroom...
Commenters need AN DUI grammar test to make AN post.
I have a lot of dashcam video to share. Except that I'm in America, where our police really do not seem to care about bad drivers. I even had a cop in his personal car on his way to work rear-end me a few years back. Then he blamed me. The reporting officer did not give him a ticket. But his insurance paid about $5000 to fix my car and cover my doctor appointments. The cop who hit me seemed to be text-messaging as there were no tire skid marks or screeching of brakes. He didn't seem to know I had put on my turn signal and slowed down to wait for traffic to clear, until he rammed into the back of my car. I did not have dashcams in my car then, but I installed them (front and back) soon thereafter.
I only spent a week driving around the southern UK. But I found drivers to be much, much better there than they are in America.
Today Great Britain, tomorrow Nazi Germany!
There will be an upswing of people baiting others into doing some stupid by intentionally intimidating them, then posting the result.
Doing a 'brake test' in front of someone in the fast lane, then when they underpass you and flick the bird, film it and post.
Drive at 20 below in the fast lane, and post videos of people underpassing, probably honking at you, and seemingly going 'much faster', even
though they may not be breaking the limit.
It is good to see the UK believes in both vigilante justice and unlimited state surveillance.
I under how quickly videos of police and state cars will get removed....
You know:
- Top 10 submitters
- Top 5 bad drivers
- Driving catastrophes in your neighbourhood.
And lastly, a special protocol for dashcams. If it spotted someone with a proven history of bad driving, it would sound an alarm.
At least 2 states I know recommend a 3 second gap between cars. Police would not be able to handle the number of complaints about drivers violating this guideline. More than half of all cars on the road at any given time are in violation, about 30% are closer than 1 second, and perhaps 10% closer than 1/2 second. Mile after mile, regardless of speed even 10 mph in excess of the legal limit.
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Every comment here misses the point.
The police are there to do the policing. it's not your job. that's why we have a police force. we already pay for it in taxes.
bloody hell, we even have traffic units in the police force to deal with road related issue.
If the police want to nab people, let them do it.
you are NOT the police.
I dont have time in my life to grass someone up but then again i was brought up with morals and not this me me me self importance crap
Seriously, BeauHD ?
Nice to know you think reporting dangerous driving and crimes is a bad thing. Why do asshats like you think like that?
Reminds me of watching people in a high crime neighborhood crying on the news about how cops don't solve their crimes while watching the same people post on line about "don't snitch". In fact. I literally saw someone one year protesting the police chanting "don't snitch" then a few months later begging people to tell the police what they know, AKA snitching, about the death of his cousin. I bet if you were the victim of a crime you would report it, thus making you a snitch. If you saw someone attack one of your friends, you would snitch.
You people need to grow the fuck up and stop acting like you don't have to follow the law and complaining when people turn you in for violating the law
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
So we'd better stop that then. How biased is the title?
People who drive badly, in general, drive badly all the time. Somebody in the road next to mine speeds out of his road and into mine every morning and evening, but I'm always too late to see his car. I hear him speeding up the other roads as he leaves in the morning, his car is so loud. Dashcam footage should be being monitored by a dedicated part of the police force, to apprehend these idiots BEFORE they kill people. Most road 'accidents' are not 'accidents' at all, they are the result of bad drivers, usually speeders, after all, people who dangerously change lanes, or pull out dangerously in front of you, often do it because they are in a hurry and think nobody else matters.
You would think that insurance companies would want to see this footage, and then warn their bad customers that their cover will be stopped if further footage appears online. (Modern dashcams have such high resolution that you can normally clearly identify a bad driver who is behind you.)
I do live in the UK.
This is a private run thing by dashcam brand "Nextbase" to try to sell more dashcams. The various police forces in the UK have nothing to do with this what so ever and are not likely to prosecute anyone over it as it's easy to call video evidence not taken by a an authorised officer into doubt.
I'm as concerned about this as I am about being shot.... which in the UK means I'm more concerned about Eastenders... which I never watch.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
The fact that it doesn't include Scotland, or Northern Ireland doesn't really make it a 'UK National' service.
Given the fact that this is being run by a private company (dashcam brand Nextbase) who are simply submitting the footage to the police on your bahalf, it's not even an English and Welsh service... Its a private service that will likely be ignored by the Police.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
It's got police force logos on it, which implies that they endorse it. If they don't then hopefully they will pay Nextbase a visit to sort that out.
Do you live in the UK?
Have you not seen the thousands of Walts on bycyles with yellow POLITE jackets trying to look like they're cops? That matters not.
For the Johnny Foreigners amongst us, in the UK we've got legions of cyclists wearing vests like this so that you might get them confused with one of these.
Use of police logos is not a crime, hell... we dont even prosecute people who pretend to be police. Also, the logo's are buried down at the bottom of the page next to big writing saying "We support the police". They could have put Royal Mail logos on there for all it matters.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
that most drivers considered themselves above average.
However I can't help noticing when watching dashcam videos on youtube from Russia and America, that they are by far the best drivers in the developed world when it comes to performing spectacular feats of epic failure in the shit driving caught on cam videos.
We are pretty boring by comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It's becoming hell in England. Cameras everywhere. Big nanny there to catch you.
Nothing we could do to stop it though.