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UK Politicians Push For FOSTA SESTA-Style Sex Censorship (engadget.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Engadget: If you're familiar with the phrase "that's a terrible idea, let's do it" then you might be one of the British MPs who think that the UK should do its own version of FOSTA-SESTA. That's exactly what Labour MP Sarah Champion has done by leading a debate this week for the creation of laws to criminalize websites used by sex workers in the UK -- under the rubric of fighting trafficking, of course. A self-appointed group of MPs (the "All-Party Parliamentary Group on Prostitution and the Global Sex Trade") fronted by Ms. Champion made a call to ban "prostitution websites" during a Wednesday House of Commons debate. Conflating sex work with trafficking just like their American counterparts, they claim websites where workers advertise and screen clients "directly and knowingly" profit from sex trafficking.
... will the MPs get their sex?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Prostitution itself is not illegal in the UK, so how should these legal workers advertise their services? I guess the answer, according to Ms. Champion, is that they should not.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Just make prostitution legal. Then regulate it to prevent trafficing, underage, unsafe conditions and so on. Works well in New Zealand.
Pleasantly surprised to discover Fosta Sesta turned out to be an acronym that included sex, since my distracted consciousness actually read it that way the first time through.
Final thought: If it were possible to legislate away the sex trafficking game, it would've been accomplished generations ago.
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there is human trafficking in the UK, about 4000 enslaved people.
Trafficking just means trade in illegal goods. If selling sex is illegal, than prostitution is sex trafficking.
I realize that it's pedantic to bring this up every time someone claims that these laws are trojans, but it's not irrelevant: if they make a law against sex trafficking and you cheer for it, and it turns out that you don't want a law against prostitution... well that's at least partly on you. Yes they're taking advantage of public confusion over the word, so they certainly deserve some of the blame, but at least some of that blame also needs to fall on the people who demand laws without any understanding of what those laws are or what they mean or their consequences.
they can move to amsterdam!
The UK keeps taking steps toward a police state. This is the country where CCTV cameras are literally all over the place. George Orwell wouldn't be all that surprised about what is happening in his country.
Show of hands: Who is surprised that Republicans would enact these kind of repressive laws as soon as they got into power? The Great Leader can engage in all the prostitution he likes, but the rest of you better clean up your act.
In related news, family values stalwart Rep. Jim Jordan (R- The Holler), turns out to have been jacking it to boys getting molested for years as a wrestling coach. And what is it with Republican wrestling coaches and the sexual abuse of young men? It wasn't that long ago that the most powerful Republican in the nation did hard penitentiary time for molesting boys. What is it that draws Republicans to become wrestling coaches?
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They let Jimmy Savile fuck everyone from children to the elderly. Keep up the good work!
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Forced castration for anyone who votes for this peice of legislation. If you don't want people to use their sexual organs, you don't get to use yours.
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I am a UK citizen and am a prostitute. Prostitution is not illegal although many of the activities surrounding prostitition are. Every prostitute I know of not only looks after the personal hygiene very well but also practcies safe sex to look after themselves. The biggest health danger is from the occasional stinky client who wants unprotected sex or risky body contact and they are firmly told "NO" and asked to leave.
Recent UK law conflating prostitition with sex trafficking is against the rules of the European single market.
As for people wanting to outlaw prostitition this never works. Another thing is will the prohibitionists change policy to create jobs and raise living standards so people are not forced or coerced by circumstances into prostitition? I doubt this very much.
Basically, Sarah Champion is just a jealous bitch who wants to raise the value of her tight ice cold slot by creating scarcity. She probably thinks all prostitutes are just the dumb girls who were prettier than her she hated at school when in fact many prostitutes have degrees or are successful businesswomen easing their way past a financial crunch caused by social climbing politicians.
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You most certainly CAN legislate morality. The American War on (some) Drugs is a perfect example of this. It's not effective however, as victimless crimes don't get reported much, and the slipery slope of incentivising people to ignore the law inevitably leads to higher crime rates.
I find it frustrating how conservatives (both Tories and our own domestic counterparts) flip their shit at the most practical solution to prostitution which is simultaneously make marriage more desirable and make a pattern of withholding sex grounds for divorce. You want to see conservatives suddenly channel their inner feminist? Suggest that if the little lady ain't putting out, absent a particularly good reason, she is in breach of the legal covenant of marriage and off she goes without a right of alimony.
A few generations ago, we didn't have such complications with regulating sex. Men had to try to get it up (even when their wives were fat and dumpy) and women had to put out (even if he's not an exciting alpha bad boy) in marriage. You got married young, were supposed to fuck the shit out of each other and most men had no reason to visit prostitutes. Some men were dicks, some women were nagging, shrewish bitches. If you stop drinking the "before Current Year(tm) it was barbarism" kool aid, sounds arguably a lot more libertarian and practical at the same time.
Hookers aren't the problem here. We have an incel-mass producing culture that is arguably worse than a society that practices polygamy.
You most certainly CAN legislate morality. The American War on (some) Drugs is a perfect example of this.
Hundreds of thousands of people are being killed in South America with some governments flirting with becoming failed states thanks in large part to America's war on drugs.
It worked in the 1950's.
What to print a book? Magazine? Like to import a magazine, book?
Should a government not approve of such material the having of one copy and lots of copies for sale is not legal.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
A city in the US did something similar and rape increased 76% and violent crime increased 53%. They quietly took the law off the books 18 months later and slowly the crimes dropped.
one of the nicest and most civil bondage sites, run literally by a husband and wife, had to cut back because of these laws.
Since the laws haven't even been debated in parliament, that would be odd.
Jackass, stop trying to hijack the subject, this is not about THAT, it's about THIS, and you can't legislate morality because it DOES NOT WORK and never will, people will go find whatever it is they want regardless.
Yeah because that really stopped everyone didn't it? It also so really stopped Rock 'n Roll music from getting off the ground, too, and banning pornography and banning alcohol in the United States totally worked too didn't it? Oh wait none of those things are true! You're completely wrong and have no idea what you're talking about! Legislating morality never works because people will go find whatever it is they want to find.
Re "in the United States".
The UK is trying for new censorship again.
The UK had a long history with police and what could be sold. What kind of printed and published material could be created and then sold in the UK and imported.
This time of the internet.
The USA had a lot more freedom to publish and sell printed material at the time.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You're usually full of crap you know that? Nothing you say changes anything I said. People like what they like and they'll get it one way or another if they're motivated enough and governments can't stop that without being so authoritarian and dictatorial that any semblance of 'freedom' dissolves away. That's not the UK, not anytime soon, so I really don't see what you're going on about.
Changes to the laws in the UK are about what can be published and seen on the internet. No US freedom of speech and freedom after speech in the UK. The UK has very different laws and had very different laws in the past covering what could be sold, imported, printed and published.
Now the UK feels it is time to control the internet in the same way.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
They -- and you -- don't get it at all do you? People get blocked by the "Great Firewall of the UK", they'll get a VPN or use TOR and get what they want anyway. Do you really think they're going to ban TOR and VPNs? Good luck with that. If it's a website hosted within the UK then they'll get what they want at a website outside the UK. If a website is going to have it's business destroyed because of the overreach of the UK government, they'll move their hosting outside the UK. If the UK government goes completely China on them and tries to shut them down completely they'll just move it to some other country and give the UK government the finger. What do you think they're going to do then, arrest everyone? Better learn to speak Mandarin, then, because you're in communist China at that point. Don't you get it? You cannot legislate morality and you can't censor the ENTIRE internet, only what's in your country. They can pass whatever overreaching nanny-state laws they want but they're completely and totally toothless unless they want to invoke marshal law and lock the country down like it's some totalitarian state. You really think the people of the UK are going to sit still for that? You're nuts.
VPN use can already be tracked by the GCHQ so thats not going offer any of the expected protection.
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Re "What do you think they're going to do then, arrest everyone?"
More like the way EU nations track reports of any other wrong type of social media use.
A visit by, a request to talk to the police. Plainclothes law enforcement and the person is given a more informal chat down about the what they have done.
Should the person then go on doing illegal things the interviews become more enhanced.
Uniformed police at a dwelling, at work. Formal and disruptive lengthy interviews with people at work. To get a deeper understanding of the person and their interaction with other people.
Next step is a full medical evaluation. The person and their role within the wider community giving the location of their dwelling and type of work they do?
Then the arrests start with prepared media coverage. To let the community know they are safe and that policing is working.
Registration. So like the Social Credit System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... in China with its constant tracking but only used by police.
The crypto is junk so its just a law needed to allow collection.
To formally and legally break anonymous communication software? That would have to be considered given how much MI6 wants to support freedoms and revolutions globally and needs to be able to communicated with dissidents.
Detected and decrypted VPN use by an individual would be less risk to go to court with and allow volunteer-operated anonymous communication to stay working.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"