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All-time Heat Records Are Being Set All Over the World (washingtonpost.com)

As the U.K. begins a two-week heat wave, one pedestrian apparently found his leg sinking into tarmac, which had melted, requiring a call to emergency rescue services.

"All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week," reports the Washington Post, in an article titled "Red-Hot Planet," which they've updated throughout the week with new all-time heat records. From the normally mild summer climes of Ireland, Scotland and Canada to the scorching Middle East to Southern California, numerous locations in the Northern Hemisphere have witnessed their hottest weather ever recorded over the past week.... The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reports the heat is to blame for at least 54 deaths in southern Quebec, mostly in and near Montreal, which endured record high temperatures. In Northern Siberia, along the coast of the Arctic Ocean -- where weather observations are scarce -- model analyses showed temperatures soaring 40 degrees above normal on July 5, to over 90 degrees...

On Thursday, Africa likely witnessed its hottest temperature ever reliably measured. Ouargla, Algeria soared to 124.3 degrees (51.3 Celsius). If verified, it would surpass Africa's previous highest reliable temperature measurement of 123.3 degrees (50.7 Celsius) set July 13, 1961, in Morocco. No single record, in isolation, can be attributed to global warming. But collectively, these heat records are consistent with the kind of extremes we expect to see increase in a warming world.

Nasdaq Inc. even warned customers that high humidity in New Jersey was slowing the radio transmissions needed for high-speed trading, according to an article shared by Slashdot reader narcoossee. And Southern California has also experienced record-setting temperatures "well above 110 degrees across the region," sparking brush fires that burned homes in two counties.

Last July several U.S. cities experienced their hottest month ever, including Reno, Salt Lake City, and Miami. And Death Valley, California maintained an average temperature of 107.4 degrees for an entire month, the hottest month ever recorded on earth. "The temperature didn't fall below 89 degrees at any point in the month of July at Death Valley," reports the Washington Post, adding "On three nights, the 'low' temperature was 102-103 degrees."

And last month the Middle East city Quriyat (in Oman) endured more than two full days in which the temperature never dropped below 108.7 degrees.

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  1. Cannot be climate change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Accepted dogma says this cannot be climate change. Or if it is, it cannot be human made. Rationality is irrelevant.

    Well, fuckers, it is going to kill you or at least your children just the same, no matter how much you deny it.

    1. Re: Cannot be climate change by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Research has shown that earth's climate isn't stable.

      Correct. But also that human populations react quite drastically to changes, mostly due to whether our food can still grow.

      Research can't show us what the proper climate should be.

      Actually, it can. Or rather, it can show us what climate we as humans consider optimal.

      Research cannot show us how much co2 and other gases affect the climate

      Again, we can. We have records of CO2 levels through the ages and we also know what temperatures occurred in those times.

      Research cannot even predict next day's weather.

      Please, you don't have to be so blatant in your ignorance of the difference between climate and weather, we already pretty much assumed that much.

      Earth is a sandbox. Everything will always be in balance. If you have a long period of high temps you'll have a period with low temps.

      Now that's a great one. What makes you think that there is anything remotely resembling balance? Furthermore, yes, there have been periods when it was warmer on this planet. Unfortunately for us, those were periods when no humans had to survive on the planet.

      Sometimes you get ice ages sometimes you get scorching periods with huge fauna and flora.

      Again, I have no idea why you think the climate has to remain in some sort of bracket between X and Y, but you might want to ponder that during the times when it was actually warmer than today were no times when humans wanted to survive on this planet.

      Oil, plastic, e.t.c. belong in the same bucket, in several thousands of years they will becone sone other material.

      In several million years. Several thousand years is too short a time span to have any relevant effect on it. And oil, plastic etc. are not the problem. Actually, the very last thing you want is to burn that plastic and turn it into a much bigger problem.

      The concern of many is whether we kill ourselves faster or not.

      We probably will. When places become uninhabitable, we'll have quite a few people trying to survive on our hands. And, well, if my choice is only to kill you for your spot or die trying because I'll be dead anyway if I don't try...

      Even if it will become 2 times hotter, the planet will cool down again, eventually and dinosaurs might come back again.

      Again, I have no idea why you think that the planet must cool down again eventually, a runaway greenhouse effect is absolutely possible, though we'd probably have to really force it, but ... you might well be right. Humans won't survive in much hotter climate, but there is absolutely no reason that other lifeforms cannot.

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    2. Re: Cannot be climate change by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      https://public.wmo.int/en/medi...

      The last 3 years are the hottest ever recorded. Citations by many weather stations around the world, from NASA, NWS USA, NWS UK, and the Japanese Meteorological Agency.

      The water is boiling sir, and you can't jump out because that would mean leaving earth.

    3. Re: Cannot be climate change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is either world class trolling or the sign of someone demented from exposure to right-wing politics.

      There is zero debate among climate scientists on this topic. The biosphere is warming and the primary cause is human-emitted greenhouse gases. It's not solar fluctuations or cosmic rays or some sort of weather cycles. It's CO2 and methane. It's a very basic mechanism we've know about for well over 100 years.

      You can try to find comforting fairy tales that say the situation isn't as bad as the scientists say (possibly because you don't like the political implications of the only rapid, worldwide solutions that have a prayer of fixing this mess), but that won't change reality.

    4. Re: Cannot be climate change by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      So we should invest into solar energy now. Because we can get more solar energy per day because of the increase solar output.

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    5. Re: Cannot be climate change by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      There is no debate that it is man made. There is a lot of debate on the rate it is changing, what effects it will cause and forecast.

      Climate scientists are not just sitting in a grant funded hotel. Awaiting the biggest I Told you so in History.
      They are trying hard to figure out what the actual rate will be, how will it effect different areas and practices to help save the planet.

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    6. Re:Cannot be climate change by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      It's not "accepted" dogma since only a minority of people think that way. They may be loud and obnoxious people but they aren't in the majority around the world.

    7. Re: Cannot be climate change by mellon · · Score: 2

      How much money do you think there is in researching it? Who has more money: oil companies or environmentalists?

    8. Re: Cannot be climate change by mellon · · Score: 2

      Huh, you haven't paid much attention to weather forecasting recently, have you? It's downright spooky how good it is. It's not 100% accurate, sure, but if you bet against the weather report nowadays, you're much more likely to lose than win.

      As for research can't show us how much CO2 and other gases affect the climate, that's not at all true. The physics aren't that complicated. It's not the effects of CO2 that's in question—it's the capacity of the rest of the system to absorb the captured heat, and the amount of time it can do so before it stops being able to.

    9. Re: Cannot be climate change by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since I believe in the usually futile approach of trying to counter lies with facts...

      We know very well that the current warming is caused by greenhouse gases and not by increased solar radiation. We know this because the two would produce different patterns of warming, and what we actually observe agrees in every detail with the predictions for greenhouse gases and disagrees with the predictions for increased solar radiation.

      Example: greenhouse gases should cause the lower atmosphere to get warmer (since they hold heat in) but the upper atmosphere to get cooler (because less heat escapes). Increased solar radiation should cause both the lower and the upper atmosphere to get warmer (because both would be getting more radiation). Sure enough, the upper atmosphere has been getting colder at exactly the same time the lower atmosphere has been getting warmer.

      With greenhouse gases you expect the poles to warm faster than the tropics and winter temperatures to increase more than summer temperatures. For increased solar radiation, you expect the opposite: the tropics should warm more than the poles and summer temperatures should go up faster than winter temperatures. Here again the evidence strongly agrees with greenhouse gasses being the cause and strongly disagrees with increased solar radiation being the cause.

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    10. Re: Cannot be climate change by mSparks43 · · Score: 2

      paying their salaries. Think it was BP who was one of their biggest donors (so desperate to find and switch to alternative energy sources they gave us the deepwater horizon disaster) but I forget exactly, it was a long time ago.

    11. Re: Cannot be climate change by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      They'll be complaining loud and clear and demand that people responsible be prosecuted for crimes against humanity and executed, when their cities start to flood and that could happen a whole lot sooner than people think. Weather is the real threat now, that heat wave that will eliminate permafrost and release a methane generated heatwave, in the worst place imaginable, where ice turns to flooded cities and the deaths of millions. Get out your dice and start rolling them, it's only a matter of time and a matter of chance, as to how soon and how bad, far beyond anything put out as worst case examples and in a few years not in a century. Either the permafrost breaks down slowly and not that bad, still far worse than claimed or it goes really fast and a century of sea level rise occurs in those few short years.

      Too late to stop know and when hundreds of millions start screaming crimes against humanity, the perpetrators will be tried and executed for those crimes against humanity, first the corrupt politicians, the media personalities who spread propaganda and then those who paid for it all. When hundreds of millions call for your death, there is absolutely no stopping it.

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    12. Re: Cannot be climate change by Sique · · Score: 2
      While this might be right, there is at least as much interest in getting really good climate prediction (agricultural resource planning) and badmouthing the idea that putting additional carbon dioxide, methane and vapor in the air might have adversarial long term effects (everyone getting a profit from doing so).

      And if we compare the total revenue of enterprises concerned with agriculture, of enterprises concerned with extracting and burning fossil carbon compounds and enterprises selling alternative energy sources, we come to a point that for the last 30 years, enterprises extracting and burning fossil carbon dwarfed everyone else with their economic power (the global revenue just from selling crude oil in 2017 for instance was about US$ 240 trillions).

      So if you really consider the possibility that much in climate science is paid for by vested interests, I wonder why it should be that it systematically errs detrimetrically to the interests of the biggest and most powerful bidder on the bribe market.

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    13. Re:Cannot be climate change by Luckyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And it's this sort of nonsense that is the reason why so many people are convinced it's a hoax. Because the factual statement is mixed with patently absurd claim.

      Yes, the climate change is causing the outlier weather to increase. Yes, it is in part human made. Yes, rationality is relevant.

      No it's not going to kill us, nor is it going to kill our children. Humans as species are at their best when adapting to slow, ongoing changes to their environment. Global warming is the definition of such a change. It's why essentially all of the catastrophist "we're all going to die" predictions made on it so far have been proven false, such as that we're going to starve due to reduction of farmland (least world hunger ever right now, and we're well ahead of the most optimistic projections).

      Because we adapted. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to slow the global warming down by phasing CO2 emissions where we reasonably can to make adaptation easier. Equally doesn't mean that "it's going to kill us or our children".

      Don't be stupid like the parent or the idiots that upvoted him. Be rational, understand the actual problem rather than the ridiculous hyperbole, and act accordingly. That is how you bring people who read the "we're all going to starve", see that in two decades, we produce more food than ever before and world hunger crisis is almost solved, and conclude that doomsayers were wrong about everything they said, rather than just their conclusions based on facts.

    14. Re: Cannot be climate change by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative
      Apparently, it is hogwash, paid for by the big oil companies. Did you ever consider that?

      First: The greenhouse effect itself and the contributing gasses are long known, at least for 120 years, when Svante Arrhenius first published about it. For astronomers, especially for planetologists, the greenhouse effect on other planets and their moons is an interesting field of research since the 1970ies, when the first probes were sent to Venus and Mars (spoiler: both of them have one, several hundreds of Kelvin on Venus, about 20 Kelvin on Mars). A back-of-the-envelope calculation for the Earth gives a good estimate for the size of the greenhouse effect here: We know, that each square meter on the orbit of the Earth gets about 1.4 kW from the Sun, the so called Solar constant. With the diameter of the Earth given (a little more than 12,700 km), we can calculate that the Sun delivers about 180 Exawatt of thermal power to the Earth. If the Earth would just absorb the whole energy, heat up and then radiate all power to space like a black body, it would be about 255 K warm (Stefan-Boltzmann law), quite close to 0 F. But on average, the earth's surface is about 290 K warm. So we can estimate that the Earth's atmosphere has a greenhouse effect of about 35 K.

      Everyone denying the existance of a greenhouse effect on Earth or the idea that carbon dioxide plays a role needs good arguments.

      Second: The composition of Earth's atmosphere has interested the scientists since Joseph Priestley at the end of the 18th century discovered that air is not a single element, but a mixture of several gasses. At the end of the 19th century, the composition of Earth's atmosphere contained about 270 ppm of carbon dioxide, as we can find out if we look for instance into Anatole Leduc, Nouvelles Recherches sur les Gaz, published in 1899 or other contemporary sources. Current readings of the carbon dioxide content of the air give about 410 ppm (e.g. The Keeling Curve). We can calculate how much additional carbon dioxide has to be released to increase the carbon dioxide contents of the atmosphere by 140 ppm (700 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide), and how much carbon you have to burn to create that much carbon dioxide (200 billion metric tons). And if we look up how much coal and crude oil was mined and pumped up since 1900, and how much pure carbon they contain, we come up with an estimate of about 350 billion metric tons of oil and coal, containing about 270 billion metric tons of carbon.

      Everyone denying that those amounts of coal and oil mined, pumped and for a large part burned have something to do with the increase of the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere has to come up with really good arguments.

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    15. Re: Cannot be climate change by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      There is 1 molecule of CO2 for every 2500 molecules of air at the current 400ppm concentration

      Take a thin sheet of glass, and put a thin layer of paint on it. Try to look through.

      Now take a 100 times thicker piece of glass, and put the same layer of paint on it. Now that the concentration of paint vs glass is much less, does that make it easier to see through ?

      The absolute amount of CO2 matters, not the concentration. And we've increased the absolute amount by about 35% since the industrial revolution.

    16. Re:Cannot be climate change by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Oh please. If a place has had reliable weather measuring equipment for just over eighty years and it took almost sixty years to hit a new high, that's evidence of cooling. That's basic statistics.

      So when did you hear of the last time there was a streak of all-time low temperature records? You obviously have no idea how statistics work.

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    17. Re: Cannot be climate change by q_e_t · · Score: 2

      Be sure to physically check those stations to make sure they are not in a carpark next to a running vehicle like the one reporting record breaking temperatures in Scotland.

      In reality, someone did an analysis of the records, taking out those places that are now near a carpark, etc., and restricting the measurements just to rural areas. The result was an increase in the global warming trend (although my a tiny amount). This is what is called a sensitivity analysis, and shows the trend is not particularly sensitive to whether the stations are in urban areas or not. Obviously the temporary output from a car exhaust is another matter, but extreme outliers that do not match close stations are examined, or often automatically excluded.

    18. Re: Cannot be climate change by q_e_t · · Score: 2

      Except it is. There is 1 molecule of CO2 for every 2500 molecules of air at the current 400ppm concentration, and yet we're supposed to accept this one molecule has the heat radiating ability to raise the temperature of 2499 other molecules by 1 degree Celsius, even though CO2 on absorbs less than 11% of reflected IR?

      It has been known for 150 years that concentrations of CO2 of the level found in the atmosphere will trap heat.

      If CO2 can produce that amount of heat we should be using it to power our cities.

      It doesn't produce heat, it just prevents its loss to space, much as a blanket doesn't produce heat, but still keeps you warm.

    19. Re: Cannot be climate change by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 2

      with a grant that allows them to publish without the permission of the grant donor,

      I've never ever had to ask a granting agency to allow me to publish a result. Indeed, as far as I know there is not even a process to do so. I've never heard of a colleague with a public grant (EU, DFG, NSF, ERC, ...) to clear publications, either. You live in a very paranoid world.

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    20. Re: Cannot be climate change by shmlco · · Score: 2

      The drop should been around 15% or so. While somewhat significant, capturing the remain 85% is still better than capturing 0% and pulling that power in from elsewhere.

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    21. Re:Cannot be climate change by shilly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's so much rich stupidity here, it's an overwhelming choice. I'll go for this one, which other commenters have left on the table: "Humans as species are at their best when adapting to slow, ongoing changes to their environment"

      What a load of drivel. Humans are particularly shit at adapting to slow, ongoing changes to their environment. Our inability in this area was the prime cause for the collapse of many human civilisations. Water sources gradually ran dry, food sources got used up, soil became unproductive, etc.

    22. Re:Cannot be climate change by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're using very very low tech civilizations for your example. They didn't just all lay down and die, ala Serenity. They migrated. Now we don't have to, although some see that as their option.

    23. Re: Cannot be climate change by mSparks43 · · Score: 2

      just like the mediaval warm period never happened eh. https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...

  2. Bugger! by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 3, Funny

    And here I am, freezing by arse off down here in New Zealand where it's cold, went and windy and I've had a cold for over a month now.

    Throw some of that heat down this way guys!

    1. Re:Bugger! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Throw some of that heat down this way guys!

      . . . just hitch a ride with your fellow citizen, Kim Dotcom . . . he's headed for somewhere very hot in the US.

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  3. Re:No way by Nova77 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sometimes I seriously wonder whether those dumb comments are: a. misspelled intentionally, or b. from somebody without a decent education, or c. from a non-native troll.

  4. Re:And yet by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The interesting statistics is the ratio of cold and hot records. If the trend in your noisy data is absent, you'd expect cold and hot records to be set at roughtly 1:1, regardless of your history of measurements. In reality, it currently looks like this.

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  5. Re: Yet the deniers like Trump by Tsolias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He should do what obongo did.
    Let BP ruin the gulf, then several years later let them lease areas to drill for oil like nothing happened.
    Thanks obongo.

  6. Re:No way by atomicalgebra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually he is quoting Ralph Wiggum. The original quote was "me fail English. That's unpossible."

  7. Lets Hope That Climate Is A Stable System! by dryriver · · Score: 2

    There are lots of studies estimating just how bad climate change may get if global temperatures go up by X degrees, or Y degrees, or Z degrees by the year 2050, or 2100 or beyond. One problem with these predictive studies, however, is that nobody actually KNOWS with any certainty how climate will behave once you cross a certain temperature treshold that may exist and that we may not be aware of at all. Some experts say "As long as we can keep warming below 2 degrees C by the year 2100, the worst effects should be mitigated". Except that a climate system this huge and this complex and potentially this poorly understood cannot be accurately simulated on any existing supercomputer we have anywhere in the world today. We may find that in just a few years - maybe 2025, maybe 2030, maybe 2035 - we cross an "invisible temperature line" after which seriously catastrophic weather events start to occur all over the world with a severity and ferocity that nobody thought was possible, and that nobody can do anything whatsoever to mitigate, unless someone invents an actually working "weather control" technology in the next 10 years or so. Meteorologists can usually predict large scale weather events/problems a few days ahead of time today. But if the behavior of the entire system shifts and destabilizes in idiosyncratic ways, you may find that really scary weather events materialize in places where they have never happened before, and without anyone being able to foresee where and when the event will occur. Imagine a world where on a perfectly normal day, a Superstorm suddenly builds, and you have maybe 30 minutes of warning time before it hits where you are.

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    1. Re:Lets Hope That Climate Is A Stable System! by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      If you can't sell someone solar panels and give them a true cost savings using them,

      The problem is that some of the cost of fossil fuels (i.e. climate change) is externalized, paid by everyone else, instead of just the person responsible for their use. If we put a tax on fuels depending on how much carbon they produce, we could get a fairer decision on price. That's a job for politicians.

  8. Gulf stream is in trouble by seoras · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm Scottish and my father was, until recently retiring, a farmer. In the last decade of his farming he struggled to make any hay in the summer.
    It had previously been tricky but do-able in the 4 decades prior to that. If you farm you notice climate change.
    Now it's like it's "flipped" completely. Making hay this year should be easy if it hasn't dried out too much and the grass has grown.

    The bit that's missing in this post is that the UK, and Scotland in particular, had one of the coldest winters on record. More snow than they've seen in decades.
    It's as if the weather that north eastern Europe normally gets has shifted over west.
    The gulf stream that normally warms N.Europe in winters and keeps it wet in summer is in flux.
    I fully expect the UK will get a freezing winter in return for this recording setting summer if this continues.

    Take a look at the rain and flooding in France and Spain that's also going on right now. Very unusual and abnormal.

    Of course it's all "fake news" to those who feel this is an Inconvenient Truth.

  9. Re:Ouargla, Algeria by skoskav · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've heard of single incidents such as the ones you mentioned, but to say that they represent most of the record measurements seems hyperbole. What is your source?

  10. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually he is quoting Ralph Wiggum. The original quote was "me fail English. That's unpossible."

    Actually, Unpossible is the sanctioned word in Newspeak.

  11. Re: Ouargla, Algeria by skoskav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rogue ice cream truck engines next to measurement stations doesn't convincingly explain the sudden two weeks of consistently higher-than-average temperature all across the UK, nor the deluge of heat records specifically during May in Fennoscandia (in Swedish, but you can still get the gist from the pretty pictures).

    You can't dismiss all ground weather stations' data because of a few anomalies when that data is still corroborated by other sources, such as satellite measurements -- It's not intellectually honest. Find an alternative theory that can explain all the previous data and predict future trends better than anthropogenic climate change.

  12. Re:Sorry, flame bait by burtosis · · Score: 3, Funny

    My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it." but at least put some F's after those numbers so we know they are USA only numbers, not international standard!

    You realize forty rods per hogsheads is 0.0362 leagues per 9684 pony or roughly 3.7 microleagues/pony. You must have a ton of ponies to get mileage that bad, sounds like my kind of car.

  13. Hey! McFly!... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only people I have seen deny climate change are the AGW idiots who think the climate has ever been stable, and who demand global action to try to put it into some sort of climatic stasis.

    The rest of us have always accepted the SCIENTIFIC FACTS that:
    (a) The Earth's climate has always changed and always will.
    (b) The Earth's climate is EXTREMELY COMPLEX and cannot currently be accurately modeled in a computer.
    (c) While humans, like EVERYTHING ELSE, have SOME effects on climate, there are plenty of other causes of change including many we probably do not know/understand. Some of these other sources, like the sun, have a far greater impact than humans.
    (d) The Earth has been both significantly hotter and extremely cold many times in the past before there were enough humans to have had ANY effect on any of those previously very extreme changes.

    We ALSO embrace things like the laws of economics, the record of human history, and accept basic human nature - so we:
    (a) Believe humans will continue to advance technologically and thus we as a species become better able to deal with climate change with every passing decade, making it retrograde to go nuts trying to offset it now - even if we could, and if we could afford it, and if its happening.
    (b) Know that far more people are dying today from other sources than from climate, and that reducing some of the deaths and suffering of people TODAY is achieved using some of those fossil fuels people like you want eliminated or made too expensive because YOU claim it will save some future persons from some imagined future horror.
    (c) WE actually believe a pet theory should be PROVEN before we implement policies that have a negative impact on the lives of millions of people in the name of "solving" the supposed problem. In fact, we'd like to not only see the problem PROVEN to exist, but we also want to see that the proposed solution will actually work, will be the most cost-effective option, and will have the least impact upon the lives and liberty of the people who are alive today.

    So... who are the REAL "deniers"? You guys need to drop the quasi-religious fervor-driven propaganda and start persuading with REAL SCIENCE and not with slogans, bitter accusations, suppression of persons with opposed opinions, rigging of the peer review and paper publishing business, data hiding, data manipulation, etc. Your side could make a tiny start by dropping the "denier" and "paid for by big oil" accusations and not hurling expletives like ornery pubescent teenagers.

  14. Re:I CAN'T HEAR YOU!! by amoeba1911 · · Score: 2

    This is actually part of a cycle: As temperature heats up, more people use their air conditioners which heat up the air even more, power central has to burn more fuel. It's one of many feedback loops that ensure climate change inevitable. The only thing you can do is prepare for it.

  15. Re:Sorry, flame bait by Cederic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a nerd site, if you're not going to use Celcius then at least use fucking Kelvin.

  16. Just What Do You Think... by rally2xs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...you're going to do about this so-called climate change?

    The answer is, "Not a damned thing." Why? Because you can't. That is, not without widespread death from the methods you would use to combat it.

    Raise the price of fuels to astronomical levels? It'd just plunge the almost-poor into abject poverty, which is deadly. Smoking will take maybe 7 years off your life, but living in poverty will take about 10. Wanna kill a lotta people? Make 'em poor. That's what the normal, environmentalist-approach is to every question, "Money is no object" and then we get cars that cost twice as much as they should while chasing the goal of eliminating 0.0002% of the remainder of some imagined deadly pollutant. Eliminate the pollutant and save 27 people this year, and kill 100,000 from poverty. (F U!)

    The bottom line is that there's nothing you can do about this that will come out of a Congress or a Parliament. The answer for this is going to come out of a physics lab. Walking up and down in front of some legislature with your hand-lettered sign in your father-Christmas beard and sandals isn't going to do a damned thing because all they can do is create poor people by passing some expensive law, which will kill a good percentage of those newly-minted poor people.

    No, the fix for this is going to come from scientists that invent the magic battery or the magic supercapacitor that will store grid electricity or electric car electricity so that we can stop using fossil fuels. Oh, BTW, wind is not gonna be the savior, since the foundation of each of these massive wind turbines takes about 250 cubic yards of concrete, which is a huge CO2 emitter during its manufacture. While a nuke plant uses maybe 400,000 cubic yards of concrete in its containment structure, our >52,000 wind turbines amount to 13,000,000 cubic yards of concrete, minimum, for their foundations. And our 52,000 wind turbines have a combined capacity of slightly less than 8 gigawatts. That compares to the largest nuclear power station in the world that has slightly more than 8 gigawatts output. Composed of multiple nuclear reactors, I believe it is 7, that would be 2.8 million cubic yards of concrete. How many such plants does it take to run the entire USA? 302,229 megawatt-hours was the April generation, so with 24 hours in a day and 30 days in April, that is about 420 megawatts continuously. 420 megawatts / 8 megawatts per 52,000 wind turbines, assuming the wind blows 24/7/365, would be 52.5 times the 52,000 or so wind turbines we have now, which would be 2,730,0000 total wind turbines, or 2,679,500 _additional_ wind turbines to be built, except the wind doesn't blow continuously so double that for backup, so we want and additional 5.4 million wind turbines. And again, at 250 cubic yards of concrete for foundation per wind turbine, that's 5.4 X 250 = 1,350 million cubic yards of CO2 producing concrete manufacturing.

    And of course there's still PV, with solar farms as far as the eye can see. No big need for CO2 producing concrete with those, but the sun doesn't shine 24/7/365 either. Solar photovoltaic energy is only available for a fraction of the day, since there's that night bugaboo plus the occasional cloud, so we're going to need billions of them and we're going to need energy storage.

    So... really... what's the answer? A wind turbine in the frame of absolutely every outdoor photograph anyone takes within the borders of the USA, and a country probably devoid of birds that would all be killed by the whirling blades? Or solar photovoltaic "farms" in said outdoor photographs no matter where in the USA one points the camera?

    Solve those PHYSICS problems and MAYBE we could stem the production of CO2 if we can find out how to use electricity to replace a jet engine, but if we turn propellers with electric motors, we'll get propeller speeds again, back to the 1950's air travel model.

    But nobody's going to solve this by whining at legislators.

  17. Re:No way by q_e_t · · Score: 2

    Which old record, where? In some places in Europe, it's breaking the record set less than half a decade previously.

  18. Re:Melting tarmac? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Or it's more likely it was complete garbage and the guy was standing over a sinkhole. Seriously, the grade of asphalt they use there is the same they use in southern ontario, which goes through 60C temperature swings between winter and summer. Up next, you'll believe the story where the road is melting as kids show pictures of it oozing up between their toes. It will later come out that they were standing on tar and gravel roads.

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