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US Airlines Change Taiwan Reference On Websites Ahead of Chinese Deadline (cnbc.com)
hackingbear writes from a report via CNBC: After dragging their feet for months and requesting help from the Trump administration, all three major U.S. airlines -- American, Delta and United -- decided to change how they refer to Taiwan airports on their websites to avoid Chinese penalties right before the Wednesday deadline. Earlier this year, China demanded that foreign firms, and airlines in particular, not refer to Taiwan as a non-Chinese territory on their websites, as such practice violates Chinese laws. The White House in May slammed the demand as "Orwellian nonsense." Numerous non-U.S. airlines including Air Canada, Lufthansa, and British Airways had already made changes to their websites. The airlines "now only list Taipei's airport code and city, but not the name Taiwan," reports CNBC. It was unclear how China might punish airlines that don't comply, but it did add a clause saying regulators could change a company's permit if it did not meet "the demand of public interest." An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.
This does not require some massive invasion. Just bit by bit, Xi will tighten the screws. Threats will work just fine as the rest of the world abandons Taiwan.
It will be like Hong Kong. At first China will just demand a token governor be appointed, with only ceremonial powers, as symbolic recognition. Then they may give Taiwan a seat on the Chinese politburo, appointed by the Chinese government. Then closer police cooperation.
Taiwan will do what everyone does and self censor. Radicals that want to push back will be censored by the Taiwanese themselves. Bit by bit that governor will become more powerful.
What do you have against Winnie the Pooh?
Have gnu, will travel.
In Capitalist West Communism directs language use to you.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You meant India right. Common mistake.
Probably a better way to deal with the demand without capitulating is to change all China destinations to list the province instead of the country name.
call it "Taipei, Taiwan (Republic of China)".
if the mainland commies don't want to allow you in because you're calling Taiwan what it is, then don't go to mainland china. fuck it. and fuck them.
i'd rather honor and respect Taiwan then cater to the mainland. if they want to remove "Taiwan" and/or "ROC" from internal references in in the prc, then let 'em. but out here in the real world, it's TAIWAN or REPUBLIC OF CHINA.
Your not going to see 8 pm if you keep drinking at this pace. I know it's hot as fuck, go jump in clear lake. Cool down. Don't be mad we can afford AC.
The US housing crisis required the Chinese to purchase US debt, propping up the American economy. The Chinese happily did to gain more global control while they manage their own economy. The airlines, strictly as companies, should be easy to control by Chinese public ownership due to their historical lack of profitability (and reliance on US government handouts, an example of how capitalism is unable to maintain quality because of long-term inflation causing substitution-of-goods problems for safety-critical capital (technology advances are unable to reduce costs quick enough to compensate for inflation when attempting to maintain constant quality of a good)).
On the positive side, Taiwan ended their 48 years under martial law in 1987.
With Hong Kong passing from British control to mainland China control in 1997 (Great Britain had lost her greatness as Hong Kong's economy grew quickly), it makes sense that the "wayward" province of Taiwan would be pursued for repatriation (it only took slightly more than 20 years).
I'm curious as to whether any of these airlines asked Taiwan, oops, i mean little china, what they want to be known as.
Next we'll have Putin telling them to refer to America as "my bitch-ski"
Who cares what the White House says? What does Taiwan have to say about it?
This is what is called excercising soft power. Soft power is developed over time through financial and political influence. It is easily lost through buffoonery, name calling, and ineffectiveness. China has soft power. They rarely threaten or comment without taking action. Their financial situation and power affects every country in the world.
Essentially the Chinese have learned the mantra "Speak softly and carry and big stick." American government has done just the opposite.
For instance - making comments like XXX will suffer consequences, or "our nukes are bigger than yours" are exactly the kind of threat that destroys soft power. They are threats that are rarely or never acted upon, and they undermine your credibility.
Our current administration has spent every last big of political capitol that the United States had left. No one is afraid of us. We are no longer the biggest dog in the room, and we continue to put our fingers in too many holes in the dyke rather than picking our battles carefully.
You can only afford it by using everyone elses CO2 quota. Stop burning all that coal !!
An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
In some countries they require women to wear burkas so American Airlines is planning this for all their female stewardesses and pilots world-wide?
What makes you think the US gives a toss about human rights?
Here's a quick list of human rights abusing dictators the US has installed or supported or both over the last 70 years or so: Franco in Spain
Suharto in Indonesia
Hussain in Iraq
Pahlavi in Iran
Pinochet in Chile
various Somozas in Nicaragua
Ubico & Castillo Armas in Guatemala (among others).
Marcos in Philippines
Frankly that's just off the top of my head without thinking about it too much.
If you think manufacturing is coming back to the US you don't understand how multinational corporations work.
But based on you wanting to nuke China I am pretty sure you don't understand much.
Still better than communism.
It seems that you are asking about free helicopter rides. :)
the world loses^H^H^H^H^H gains a dictatorship that abuses human rights
FTFY
Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.
People will make shit up, and no one will call them on it.
Trump is most definitely the "pushback" president: he pushed back against North Korea, he's currently pushing back against Iran, he's pushing back against unfair trade practices from allies and adversaries, and he pushed back against terrorism by defeating ISIS.
He has no problem taking direct action to stop something, so I have to ask:
Where did you purchase your crystal ball?
First of all, this is yet another example of supposed "Free World" corporations knuckling under to a totalitarian dictatorship because it's profitable to do so.
Perhaps less obvious is that in order to stay airworthy, the planes those airlines fly depend on cheap Chinese-made parts, and cut-rate labour in places like Singapore and Indonesia. Does anybody here believe an airline that stood up to China would continue to enjoy access to those lovely, cheap replacement parts? Would maintenance hubs like Singapore even pretend to stand up to China if they said Carrier X or Y was on its "shit list"?
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
If you think for one second that Trump would go to war with China over Taiwan, you're delusional.
First, he doesn't even know the difference between the two. Second, he'll follow the money, which is China.
Whoosh...
Look mate, if you're going to try sarcasm or subtlety *anywhere* near even a *mention* of Trump, you're going to lose. There is no way to go over the top of what he does. He already does stuff so batshit loopy that it's impossible to satirise.
If you write what you wrote earlier, I'll believe that's what you think, and *I'll* think you are just an idiot.
Entertainment companies trip over themselves to use geoblocking: Prime video, Netflix, even YouTube movie trailers are locked down by geography. How come airlines are so hesitant to use geolocation to identify the jurisdiction of whom they are serving.
Present Taiwan as a part of China in China (or wherever local laws demand). Present it as an independent country elsewhere. A Chinese national using aa.com when visiting Taipei should see 'Taipei, Taiwan'. When he's back in Beijing, aa.com should show him 'Taipei, China'
Trump's stick is only used to slap people
This is probably where the saying, "All evil needs to triumph, is for good men to do nothing" is appropriate.
If the west doesn't draw a line in the sand and come down hard on Xi's ambitions, then I think you are 100% correct. And at the risk of turning this into yet another culture war thread between the left and right, I don't think that our current leader is capable of credibly resisting the Chinese government in any sort of meaningful fashion short of just emptying all the silos and hoping for the best. This is a situation that requires tact, wisdom, patience, and collaboration with allies.
Taiwan is fucked.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade.
Trump is besties with Xi, what could he do?
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Simply change the name of mainland China to something like, "The Oppressive Republic of China" or "The Corrupt One Party State of China".
Once it's the law in another country that they must be addressed in this way, surely these airlines will have to label them as such, yes?
Now Donny, take your meds and have nice lie down.
If Washington made a law to require American companies to refer to Taiwan as the Republic of China, while China just refuses to do business with anyone who does so, all American companies will become Chinese companies.
Taiwan says China is now to be referred to as mainland Provence of Taiwan
This, from the administration that has labeled the free press the "enemy of the people"? That used the phrase "alternative facts" to push an obvious lie, a tactic they continue to whip out all the time? Who insist on blind loyalty to the Party and the Party Leader, attacking any dissent in their own ranks? Though I guess we shouldn't be surprised, as blatant, shameless hypocrisy is part of the deal.
Can't all the free nations of the world demand that airlines list Taipei as "Taipei, Taiwan", or face repercussions which mirror whatever China does if they don't? Yes it puts the airlines in a lose-lose situation. But it'll leave them free to vote their conscience instead of knuckling under extortion.
...and the National Socialist government will punish any airline that says otherwise.
Stop buying from, going to, or meeting with China. Isolate them, cut them off, destroy their government; save a billion people from oppression.
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
It's a given that you have to abide by the rules of countries you want to make business with. But abiding by rules of countries other than the one you want to land in?
So, technically, if Trump throws another hissy fit and wants you to call Mexico "Spicistan" from now on in your destinations, you'll comply?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Name one incorrect statement there. Wikipedia's list of US involvement in regime change abroad is much longer than that list.
you mean apart from fears of mutual destruction? or do you think the US can strategically take out every sub, every ship every nuclear site before retaliation? I know most americans have no problems with genocide but I think most don't like it when it means it will almost certainly take out a large percentage of the US population too.
I think the incorrect part is the list is much too short by focusing on only the dictators as it leaves out a lot of even worse abuses like Cuba and Rwanda
Apart from the list being too small what ones are incorrect. Though Batista should definitely be prominent in that list.
And the US response should be that they will impose some unspecified sanctions on all airlines that do not refer to Taiwan for flights to that country and see what response they get. It is interesting to see how we accept behaviour from China that would cause an outrage if we tried to behave in a similar way.
A thing I learnt many years ago in the school playground was never to give in to the bullies, which cost me quite a few bruises and indignities then but made me so much stronger today.
I don't need a signature to draw attention to myself.
the people of Taiwan are free to choose their own future.
They may choose to do the hard work of remaining free and deterring the mainland Chinese communist government or they can decide that their freedom is worth less than a cheap cell phone and not worth the hassle of maintaining a credible military.
If the people of Taiwan truly desire freedom and independence, then they will make sure they are always a formidable opponent, and other free peoples of the world will be happy to help them stay free. If they do not desire freedom and independence enough to do what is required to guarantee it, then no amount of external assistance from places like the USA will be enough and no American president would be able to morally ask average Americans to die defending them. If they, as a free people, freely choose to abandon that freedom because it's just too hard to maintain, then they and their descendants will have no right to ask anybody else to help the regain it later.
Ultimately, this is in the hands, and they are the ones who will rise or fall as the result of the decisions they make.
an elegant, MAD solution: Trump should arm Taiwan with nukes. Speak softly and carry a VERY big stick.
> An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
The Federation has always hidden behind the non-interference Prime Directive. While they wash their hands of it they hide behind some noble purpose --- However the Prime Directive was established to protect indigenous native cultures, not level 5 civilisations. It shouldn't apply here.
Nuclear wars are good and "Easy To Win" TM -Trump
Don't provide flights to/from PRC. /solved
Possibly. But I'd bet that more of their survivors will know what to do when there is no electricity, food delivery, etc.
OTOH, the lack of a government telling them what to do might be much more traumatic to them compared to us.
I'd prefer not to find out via experience, either way.
That's all I can say about the businesses that conform.
Because China has nukes too and a larger standing army. A war with China is just going to fuck up both sides.
Besides, the US government and military are cowards and bullies. They only engage in wars with much smaller and weaker countries.
Who needs shit like that when you've got guns and a bible?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
So if one of the countries in which you operate forbid women from flying planes, you would immediately fire all of your female pilots across your entire fleet?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
It was unclear how China might punish airlines that don't comply
Priority landing given to airlines that comply. Your airline didn't comply? Sorry, just circle a few more times. 'K? You have enough fuel, right?
The world is full of pussies that only care about their own freedoms and of course MONEY. Rather than standing on the side of righteousness they cowtow for money. There was no way the Red Chinese would cut off airline services to the world, which is what would have happened as either flights would be cancelled or the price of tickets soar to the point of having the same effect. But the pussies licked their genitalia and went looking for more.
Which major American city with an international airport and direct flights to the Far East would like to change its name to Tiananmen Square?
Amazing solutions for such a small mind! Did you know China has nukes as well? Do you think they'd not use them? Fucking idiots who think the only way to solve problems is with war.
Next well need to get a visa from China to visit Taiwan.
The USA, Britain, EU, etc need to stand up for free independent countries and officially recognize Taiwan.
Add $500 billion in tarriffs if China retaliates against US airlines, combined with tit-for-tat x10 to Chinese airline dealings in the US.
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Are you saying all that "endowed by their creator" stuff isn't real?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
So I say good for them! Why don't we pass a law that makes illegal for any Chinese interest to own any part of an American company or property. We recognize Taiwan ownership as a single country not China.
News was not reported on this because the White house Blocked CNN from attending the new conference, all because the White house doesn't like CNN.
Orwellian nonsense?! Pot... Kettle?!
Are the airlines changing their references to Taiwan worldwide, or only as they appear in China?
I'm saying that if you do some research about the awful list I posted above, you might wonder who the good guys really are.
United Fruit (as just one example) made Guatemala an absolute hellhole for the locals for most of the 20th century. With the help of the US Marines.
I think it is more like one country telling a second how to act to a third. E.g. the USA telling Europe to apply sanctions to Iran. That is way beyond the USA's jurisdiction, but by threatening European countries with sanctions in the USA they can have that effect. There is talk of the Europeans enacting similar legislation.
(As to Russia, they are gangsters and I doubt if there is any good in their legislation.)
Taiwan government position has always been that there is only one China,and that they are the legitimate government. PRC has the same exact opposite position.
Hence Taiwan should side with Beijing here. What is their opinion?
Probably, either way the only certainty is the US and China will no longer exist as major powers in the world. perhaps the win is for other countries? but I doubt the fallout could just be restricted to within those two countries borders.