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Google Categorically Refuses To Remove the Pirate Bay's Homepage (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TorrentFreak: This year alone, at least 15 separate takedown notices ask Google to remove ThePirateBay.org from its index. Most of these are sent by the reporting agency Digimarc, on behalf of book publishers such as Penguin Random House, Kensington Publishing, and Recorded Books. This year alone, at least 15 separate takedown notices ask Google to remove ThePirateBay.org from its index. Most of these are sent by the reporting agency Digimarc, on behalf of book publishers such as Penguin Random House, Kensington Publishing, and Recorded Books. Over the years, The Pirate Bay's homepage has been targeted more than 70 times. While there's no shortage of reports, TPB's homepage is still in Google's index.

Since TPB's homepage is not infringing, Google categorically refuses to remove it from its search results. While the site itself has been downranked, due to the high number of takedown requests Google receives for it, ThePirateBay.org remains listed. Google did remove The Pirate Bay's homepage in the past, by accident, but that was swiftly corrected. "Google received a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) take-down request that erroneously listed Thepiratebay.org, and as a result, this URL was accidentally removed from the Google search index," Google said at the time. "We are now correcting the removal, and you can expect to see Thepiratebay.org back in Google search results this afternoon," the company added.

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  1. At least they did something not evil on this one by weilawei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Nuff said.

  2. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is nothing more than self-preservation. TPB is nothing more than a search engine. If they took it down, they'd have to take down themselves.

  3. Because ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... without Google, how would we ever find ThePirateBay.org?

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    1. Re:Because ... by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wikipedia is a great resource for that. Want to know what the URL du jour is for Pirate Bay? Check on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . Sci-hub? Easy peasy, check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . Library Genesis? No problem, check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .

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  4. quick.... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Google ThePirateBay.org so we know how to find it.

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  5. Re: At least they did something not evil on this o by reanjr · · Score: 1

    Could also be seen as anti-competitive.

  6. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by mrbester · · Score: 1

    The site itself is IP blocked in UK. Not that that makes the slightest difference with all the proxies around.

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  7. Re:Categorically? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    You could start by looking up the definition of "categorically".

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  8. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Billlagr · · Score: 1

    Australia too at the ISP level, so trivial to work around

  9. So. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    In much the same fashion as Guns don't kill people, People kill people..., sites that allow users the freedom to work within, and well outside the copyright infringement law, are not liable for misuse by those same users.

    For example: The cash dollar, or Euro/yen/yuan, can be used for millions of legitimate bartering transactions. Yet, there are categorically provably a small percentage of illegal transactions that result from the sheer anonymity of these cash trades.

    It's fair to say Google has developed the ability to skirt the morality of these issues, yet if the possibility of corruption of the system by the users is deemed a blacklisted offense, what happens to Google's Youtube?

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    1. Re:So. by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In much the same fashion as Guns don't kill people, People kill people

      Ironic, given that Google has banned guns from certain searches.

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    2. Re:So. by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      It would be ironic if google was selling guns and they banned searches for guns. The you must love Allanis Morissette

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  10. we need a real search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One that actually indexes the entire internet

    1. Re:we need a real search engine by johnsie · · Score: 1

      Not a bad idea. Google is manipulating results too much. Search engine results need to be relevant, so there does need to be some AI involved, but not to the point where it gives some sites advantages over others.

    2. Re:we need a real search engine by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      If there are rules, the rules can be gamed. Doesn't matter what they are, someone will find a way to game them for their own benefit. That's why Google stinks of ass these days. It has become too big and there are too many players gaming the system for it to function properly, without Google themselves doing manual intervention left and right, further corrupting the system every time they make a change, which in itself only serves to give more rules for the players to game.

      The only way to provide a good search experience is to build a search engine which is not only partial to a certain experience, but openly partial. For example an IT search engine, which is partial to IT sites, but is moreso partial to credible IT sites than random blog posts, and more partial to random blog posts than whatever is on ExpertSexchange and the many clone-sites that exist.

  11. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by enrique556 · · Score: 1

    IP is not blocked in australia (well, not my ISP anyway), the ISPs' DNS servers redirect the domain name to bogus IP. If you use non-australian DNS servers for that specific domain, you get around it.

  12. Digimarc is guilty by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Did they not send a request, under penalty of perjury, that thepiratebay.org was infringing their copyright when infact they knew it did not?

    1. Re:Digimarc is guilty by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

      No, the complaint made, "A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law." The "good faith" and "belief" weasel words in the code basically excuse almost anything in respect of what they claim is infringing. Good faith is typically defined as, "Honesty; a sincere intention to deal fairly with others." Since the complainant's position is that infringers should be fined/jailed on accusation, rather than proof, then they sincerely believe that offering anything less than jail/fines is dealing fairly with others.

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    2. Re:Digimarc is guilty by meglon · · Score: 1

      That would be (c). 3. vi, but that section is only about notification requirements.

      If you continue reading down:

      (f) Misrepresentations.—Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section—

      ----- (1) that material or activity is infringing, or

      ----- (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,

      shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

      (slightly off topic, but relevant): https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog...

      If their front page has no instances of infringement, then yes, all the DMCA notices they've been given are misrepresentation, and whoever is filing them could be found liable.

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    3. Re:Digimarc is guilty by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      There's got to be a point where they can't use "good faith" when they're requesting the same url over and over again with content never changes and is always rejected.
      15 times this year alone.

    4. Re:Digimarc is guilty by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Maybe 15 is the exact number of times there has been any change at all to the internal HTML of the home page. Then they have plausible deniability on that "good faith" argument. No less a horrible lie, but one that isn't provably a lie.

    5. Re:Digimarc is guilty by suutar · · Score: 1

      yeah, but not guilty of perjury. And you have to prove knowing misrepresentation, which is on the same level of difficult as proving a lack of good faith belief - essentially, if you don't have an email where they say "mwahahaha, I'm going to file a bogus takedown request" they can just claim stupidity.

    6. Re:Digimarc is guilty by meglon · · Score: 1

      Correct, it's not perjury... but, misrepresentation isn't as hard to prove. Also, as the case i posted points out, the group/individual making the DMCA claim has the legal obligation to evaluate fair use before sending the notice. In this case, if there was no infringing material on the page they wanted taken down, that DMCA notice is a misrepresentation; that's less subjective than objective... it either is, or is not. If it clearly is not, that's not hard to show.

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  13. Re:FFS Editors !! by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we get someone to send /. a takedown notice to remove one set of "This year alone, at least 15 separate takedown notices ask Google to remove ThePirateBay.org from its index. Most of these are sent by the reporting agency Digimarc, on behalf of book publishers such as Penguin Random House, Kensington Publishing, and Recorded Books." from the summary?

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  14. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Billlagr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google's own public DNS servers work just fine :)

  15. Re:Categorically? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could start by looking up the definition of "categorically".

    Definition: Horrifically mauled by a cat.

    Example: That rat was categorically chewed up.

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  16. Wish the system were more balanced by Solandri · · Score: 1

    While the site itself has been downranked, due to the high number of takedown requests Google receives for it, ThePirateBay.org remains listed.
    [...]
    "Google received a (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) take-down request that erroneously listed Thepiratebay.org, and as a result, this URL was accidentally removed from the Google search index,"

    Sending a false (I'm sorry, "erroneous") DMCA take-down request should get future take-down requests by the submitting entity downranked and de-prioritized in the queue.

    1. Re:Wish the system were more balanced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just how many false (I'm sorry, "erroneous") DMCA take-down request are ok? I'd say no more than 3. After receiving 3, then all take-down requests from that source and copyright holder should be illegal. The source or copyright holder should have to go thru the normal court process.

      DMCA take-down process is good in theory; however, in practices there way way too many improper or invalid notices.
      Is there any centralized metrics gathered where all DMCA take-downs and results are listed? I don't think so. Maybe instead of take-down notices going directly to 'hoster'/'violator' they should go to government site and redistributed from there so results and repeated-false-claims can be gathered to improve results.

  17. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why isn't everyone using OpenNIC with dnscrypt?

  18. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Retron · · Score: 1

    The site itself is IP blocked in UK

    No it's not. A few ISPs have blocked it, but none of the ones I've used in recent years (Metronet, Entanet, Merula) have blocked it.

  19. It's so important that. It's so important that.... by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 2

    They had to say it not once but twice. This just proves that it must not only be important but that the editors don't do ANY editing. I don't even think they HAVE editors anymore here, just automated repeaters. With all this talk about AI one would think at least THAT would catch something so freaking obvious. Wow They had to say it not once but twice. This just proves that it must not only be important but that the editors don't do ANY editing. I don't even think they HAVE editors anymore here, just automated repeaters. With all this talk about AI one would think at least THAT would catch something so freaking obvious. Wow

  20. Re:Categorically? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Thanks. Loved your show. :-)

    ( Couldn't resist given your username ... )

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  21. Tor - Onion by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Also, taking down something that also exist on the TOR network as a onion address would be hard :
    The Pirate Bay

    And speaking of search engines take-downs :
    Duck Duck Go, too is available as a onion address on the Tor network.
    So similarily in the "not going to happen" category.

    (And in an almost completely missing the point kind of irony, I've read that Facebook is also present as an onion on TOR, probably due to country where it is banned. I have no idea if the address is legit, though - too lazy and don't care enough to check it).

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  22. Bullshit by cen1 · · Score: 1

    If I search for "The Pirate Bay" on google all I get is proxies and some articles. Meanwhile, same search in duckduckgo places the .org as first hit.

  23. Re: At least they did something not evil on this o by houghi · · Score: 1

    Try filetype:torrent the next time you look for a Mettalica song. https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

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  24. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by johnsie · · Score: 1

    None of those services offer a decent connection

  25. Re:FFS Editors !! by johnsie · · Score: 1

    Triggered by errors in a slashdot summary? You must be new here.

  26. Re: At least they did something not evil on this by loufoque · · Score: 2

    you managed to misspell Metallica twice.

  27. Re: How much does the NSA pay per hit? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    The fact that you think the government would only know if Google told them would be quaint if we were somewhere you belong rather than on Slashdot.

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  28. I think by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    I think you may have repeated yourself, I think you may have repeated yourself.
    Fuck a duck, I would expect people posting articles to /. to actually fucking proof read their own shit.

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    1. Re:I think by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      "I would expect people posting articles to /. to actually fucking proof read their own shit."

      Welcome to slashdot. You must be new here.

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    2. Re:I think by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      i'm not, I am just amazed at how something that fucking obvious is overlooked. I get annoyed at grammar and spelling errors all the time (especially mine, so I try to proof read my own shit) and it's just annoying how someone can miss something so fucking obvious.
      I see it all the time, but at least on /. I can comment on it. Most sites have removed the ability to comment. It spreads fake news apparently.

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  29. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    They are happy to take down individual result and torrent detail pages though.

    I doubt it's got anything to do with the nature of TPB, it's just that the homepage is so sparse that there is nothing infringing on it. Naturally they only process take-downs for pages that actually have infringing content on them.

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  30. Re:FFS Editors !! by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm so fucking done with Slashdot...

    Lets start a new open source version, that doesn't compromise and doesn't sell out...

    Would it look anything like SoylentNews? Some people had the same idea as you during the "Buck Feta" era.

  31. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Who's Nic and why is he opened to the idea of scrypting a DN?

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  32. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Honey pot? Monsanto sure are doing weird cross-breeds these days...

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  33. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Arashi256 · · Score: 1

    Depends which ISP you're with. The big UK ISPs which have a vested interest in you not pirating the shit out of stuff because they have a hand in media like Virgin Media, Sky, BT, etc do indeed block. Smaller regional ISPs seem not to bother. Either way, it's trivial to bypass.

  34. Re: FFS Editors !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    God that site needs to be mobile friendly.

  35. Re: At least they did something not evil on this o by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the headline should have added "except in China".

  36. Re:At least they did something not evil on this on by Retron · · Score: 1

    What an odd, ill-informed comment!

    Metronet doesn't exist any more, it was bought out by PlusNet some years ago.

    Entanet is a "white-label" wholesale ISP, you can only get its services via a reseller. It's perfectly fine and, like all the others I've used, on my exchange it uses BT wholesale for its backhaul.

    Merula is my current ISP and has been absolutely fine - I get something like 72Mbps no matter whether it's day or night, not least because I'm not contending with many other users at the exchange. It also makes "elevated best efforts" available, which increases your traffic priority on BT's network.

    I'll be moving to a fibre-on-demand connection with Cerberus soon - they also use BT's backhaul and, unlike larger ISPs, also give access to the whole of the Web. Yes, including the bits that BT retail (as opposed to wholesale), Sky, TalkTalk and the rest block.