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West Virginia To Introduce Mobile Phone Voting For Midterm Elections (cnn.com)
West Virginians serving overseas will be the first in the country to cast federal election ballots using a smartphone app, a move designed to make voting in November's election easier for troops living abroad. But election integrity and computer security experts expressed alarm at the prospect of voting by phone, and one went so far as to call it "a horrific idea." CNN: The state's decision to pioneer mobile voting comes even as the United States grapples with Russian interference in its elections. A recent federal indictment outlined Russia's attempts to hack US voting infrastructure during the 2016 presidential race, and US intelligence agencies have warned of Russian attempts to interfere with the upcoming midterm election. Still, West Virginia Secretary of State Mac Warner and Voatz, the Boston company that developed the app, insist it is secure. Anyone using it must first register by taking a photo of their government-issued identification and a selfie-style video of their face, then upload them via the app. Voatz says its facial recognition software will ensure the photo and video show the same person. Once approved, voters can cast their ballot using the Voatz app.
Now we don't even need to get influence from abroad, we can simply let them hack the devices and vote directly.
Cut out the middle man, it's the capitalist way!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
The left continues its efforts to steal elections from Americans.
The only safe way to vote is by PAPER BALLOT.
Yeah, let's just introduce a traceable way to verify who and what you voted for. None of that pesky anonymity to allow people to vote their conscience. Just register with your local church ... or corporation ... or political party ... and let their companion app vote for you.
Nope, no sig
Why can't we all just use mail-in ballots like Oregon? Oh, because then more people would vote and it would be harder to cheat.
Thats an interesting start.
It allows any numbers and stats on the issued ID to get some deeper database work as the voters has given their data to the government.
The unique faces shows the US citizen exists and that their face is connected to presented photo ID.
This gets around the state trying to collected information about a voter. Trying to find out if they have voted many, many times in the same election.
The state ID proves citizenship.
That the ID has not been shared, is not fake.
That a real US citizen exists once as a voter with that issued ID.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Hacking aside.
The biggest issue I see, is it takes the privacy out of voting.
We should be able to vote without our pastor looking over our solders judging us, or a Union Rep who may decide that your department may be OK for a layoff so they can bring in other workers. A Boss who may just fire you on the spot...
Voting our conscious without direct personal repercussion is one of our basic rights. And one of our few powers that we have to actually change those who lead us.
So the question will be on voting day, how many Church Congregations, Union Meetings, will there be to show people how to use the app.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
and your boss can force you to vote there way in the office or your fired.
Let's see what the NSA can do to the app/process. If they can do something black-hat'ish, odds are the GRU can, too, and the Russians have a vested interest in seeing Machin defeated.
What a great name for an application, good job marketing team. I don't think they could've come up with anything more cringeworthy if they tried. Maybe the kyddez will like the name though. *Returns to yelling at kydz to stay off my lawn.
So now they should create an iOS, android, windows, blackberry, etc app so that you can vote? Or do they pick only the top 2 and screw everybody else?
If they want to move that way then just do it via web site. But you need to have the verification in place to prove that I cast my vote.
Does a drivers license even prove citizenship? My father in law has a drivers license but isn't a citizen.
I refuse to sign
Same with voting by mail here in Washington state. Twice my employer has asked for signed blank ballots.
Corporate dictaitorship forever! Time to show us all how your guns keep you free from tyranny Americans.. lol!
Hey boss there's a fire over there. Well for Pete's sake throw some gas on it!
vote there way in the office or your fired.
their*, you're*
The same people who whine about "voting barriers" are now whining about the removal of a voting barrier? Let me guess, because it's aimed at the military in a republican state?
One needs only to look 2016 election when we should have Hillary but instead got TRUMP.
Except the fact that there's zero evidence that the Russians were supporting any particular candidate, right?
Since Obama knew about the "hacks" but did nothing, by your reasoning, Barack Obama colluded with the Russians to get Trump elected.
See how stupid that sounds?
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Same with voting by mail here in Washington state. Twice my employer has asked for signed blank ballots.
I'm pretty sure your boss is looking at time in a Federal institution if word ever gets out.
Seriously?
Have you reported them to the authorities? Pretty sure such electoral subversion is a felony.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
I think the idea is to so screw up elections, that they can't be trusted, so the government can just do away with them anyway. Until the people (sheeple) of this country get pissed off enough, hold an Article 5 convention of the states, and wrestle power back from government, crap like this will continue!
I believe you, random person on the internet.
You can't possibly be this dumb naturally aspirated.
1. You have to have current government ID (excludes/discourages old, poor, minorities, recent migrants - within US, homelsss etc.)
2. You have to have a smart phone (excludes/discourages old, poor, homeless)
3. You have to have a data plan (excludes/discourages old, poor, homeless, sharing phones)
4. You have to have enough data right now (reduces old, poor, homeless, recent migrants)
5.You have to have well kept criminal records (Is the person's crime time served, pardoned?)
6. You have to assume that the state will not exclude other categories of people and not say precisely why, or just make things up! (And can't be countered until after the election)
The left needs to stop voting for Republicans. Do you remember, back in the time of your grandfather, when the Republicans were the slightly-more conservative of the two mainstream parties? Then in the Reagan years they completely abandoned the idea of cheap, small government, and they've just gone further and further left over the last few decades. We've literally gotten to a point where Republicans are considered Russian agents (even Reagan would have disapproved of that), they want to micro-manage the economy (even Bush 2 (!!!) would have disapproved of that) and we have a common crook as president.
Now you've got the WV secretary of state (surprise surprise, another radical left Republican, which is actually pretty average for those people now) dismantling the election system by making it so that people can prove to their bosses/customers who they voted for.
Left, I know you hate the Democrats. I get it. If you're a liberal, the Democrats are unappealing. They have no principles or vision. But voting for Republicans is even worse. Vote Communist if you have to, but FFS stop voting Republican! Trump only talks and acts like a communist (well, and he defers to ex-communists for all his major decisions) but he isn't really one of them, no matter how well he talks the talk.
Being left of Democrats doesn't make you a good communist! Just Say No to Republicans.
The only conservative influence left in our government to protect us from the Republicans, are the Democrats. And even though they're right of Republicans, they still aren't really very good at it. They don't seem to take their jobs as the conservative party seriously, since there are still so many liberals who look to them for representation too.
The only answer is to vote the Republicans into oblivion and obscurity, so that a new party can emerge.
Putin expressed a preference for Democrats. He wanted Obama over Romney.
a "preference" does not translate into "supporting a particular candidate". The entire Russian operation, mostly after the election, was to sow discord and distrust by supporting both candidates and flaming both sides.
Not even the Russians believed that Trump would win and surely did not think that a few Facebook ads would be enough to swing the election. That is stupid.
And I suspect the country would move noticably to the left. Stuff like Medicare for all, tuition free college, ending the 8 wars we're in and legal pot all poll in the 60s and 70s but never seem to make it into law. The Dems have twice now won major elections by popular vote and lost due to how the votes are counted (losing the House is especially galling)
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Dude. Fucking Kill yourself and spare us your endless butthurt.
This won't end well. Based on the news stories of how well most facial recognition works on African Americans it will probably only allow one black person to vote and ID the rest as the same person.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
2) Won't this dispel the notion that political voting is like MLB All-Star voting (you know, voting up to 35 times for the candidate of your choice)?
Especially since Obama was recorded telling him he'll have more flexibility after the election.
I want to vote for iPhone X, but I'm not sure if it's a Democrat or Republican.
It's sad how many of my friends have said that happened to them. I had trouble believing that until my company asked us to bring our ballots to an all hands meeting. They put a filled out ballot up on the screen and suggested we copy what we saw on the screen. It was a really awkward meeting.
Actually the Senate, US Intel community as a whole, FBI, DOJ and Chris Steele himself have all said and demonstrated that Russia had a very, very clear preference for their compromised traitor, Donald Drunk.
You can try to pretend this isn't so, but you're a moron for attempting it. Period. You traitors probably should be hung next to your orange hero, if America was serious about becoming great again.
But is it illegal to let someone else tell you who to vote for?
We had a meeting yesterday where our CEO went over who to vote for. I think most people just did what they were told. Our ballots are due today. I think most people just did what they were told to since, for example, who is going to do the research to pick from 30 different senate primary candidates? Thirty!
A friend of mine called it a clown car of senate candidates.
Politicians in West Virginia have never heard of hax0rz? Or are they deliberately trying to make elections hackable?
Everybody from West Virginia: write to WB Secretary of State Mac Warner, and tell him that this is stupid, stupid, stupid.
See how stupid that sounds?
I read your post, and yes...I DO see how stupid it sounds.
You are the reason we're deinvesting from America. Your shithole is doomed by your wilfull ignorance.. so fuck you anyways cuntface.
Exactly wth is wrong with the current absentee ballot system? Or are they trying to imply that the mail isn't routinely and reliably delivered/sent to and from military bases abroad?
Heck, the only way to even remotely make this phone app accurate and secure is to _mail_ the service men and women a unique passkey to log their vote with. But even then, it's data in a database connected to the bloody internet, not to mention that they'd have only the word of the service provider that there votes were credited anonymously and not tied to their identity.
Your founding fathers would shoot you for treason.
Awesome! Now I can finally get paid for voting because I can prove to the buyer I voted the way they wanted!
But is it illegal to let someone else tell you who to vote for?
No: what's illegal is coercion, or attempts to intimidate or threaten a voter to vote a particular way. https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
We had a meeting yesterday where our CEO went over who to vote for. I think most people just did what they were told. Our ballots are due today. I think most people just did what they were told to
That might be a grey area; since the CEO presumably has hiring and firing authority over the workers, so you could see it as maybe edging toward coercion. I'd say that, given a secret ballot, it's not coercion, since they can't actually tell whether you vote as they suggest or not. But, of course, a non-secret ballot makes coercion a lot more practical.
since, for example, who is going to do the research to pick from 30 different senate primary candidates? Thirty!
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The entire Russian operation, mostly after the election, was to sow discord and distrust
Judging by this conversation, I'd say they succeeded.
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It's sad how many of my friends have said that happened to them. I had trouble believing that until my company asked us to bring our ballots to an all hands meeting. They put a filled out ballot up on the screen and suggested we copy what we saw on the screen. It was a really awkward meeting.
I'd be very interested in seeing somebody put this into print in a citeable source.
It's a good reason to restrict absentee ballots to only people who actually are absent, or physically can't vote in person.
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Considering that phone companies stop pushing updated OS to their devices within 18 months, there will be a huge incentive to hack old phones. I mean there already is due to banking by phone. But this just adds an incentive for state actors. If they were able to get mobile operators to push security updates longer than the 18 months after release, then maybe consider it.
So, when Trump wins 231% of the district, we cannot recount.
I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
Stalin is reported to have said that "It doesn't matter who votes. What matters is who COUNTS the votes".
iPhones are in a walled garden run by Apple. Google controls Android phones. Will ballots cast for Conservatives be lost "by mistake" while traveling through their system?
Apple and Google are even now massively censoring and/or blocking any political content on their platforms except that posted by the Extreme Left. When called out on it, the excuse is always a "mistake" but such mistakes are made too often for that to be an excuse any longer.
A member of SJW, BLM, AntiFa, CPAUSA, RCP, DSA, SPUSA - of which Ms Ocasio-Cortez is a member, which are essentially indistinguishable from the "Liberal" Democrats, can post a racists screed on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, or other forum controlled by Leftists with impunity. The same post re-posted by Conservatives but with changes to the race of the ridiculed target are immediately blocked by social media for violating "Term of Service", if they give any reason at all. Even death threats by the "Liberals" are allowed on those social media platforms. The Blatant bias is overwhelmingly obvious.
Maxine Waters proved the meaning of the world "Liberal" with her infamous slip of her slippery tongue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
when she declared "this Liberal would be all about nationalizing US oil". She's now demanding that the Extreme Left chase down and harass Conservatives if found in public places. Next they'll demand that Conservatives where gold stars in public to make them easier to identify.
A South American "Liberal" who ran for office and later declared he was a Marxist after he won, Chavez, nationalized oil in Venezuela, after whipping up a class envy storm lathered with the promise of lots of government freebies paid for by oil. Venezuela, once the richest nation in South America because of its oil reserves, is now a classic Marxist hell-hole run by the Marxist Murado who, like Chaves, is always blaming America for his problems, just the way "Liberal" politicians in the major US metropolitan ghettos are always blaming Conservatives for problems of their own making over the last 50+ years the "Liberals" have been in power in those places. The same Venezuelans who voted for the socialist freebies have lost an average of 10Kg due to starvation. They have eaten up all their pets, the local birds, and nearby wild animals and are now desperately trying to leave Venezuela for better places. If the Marxist gain power in the US then many Americans will be loosing 10Kg as well, not just the obese.
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Since Obama knew about the "hacks" but did nothing, by your reasoning, Barack Obama colluded with the Russians to get Trump elected.
McConnell told Obama he'd deny the allegations if Obama went public, and given the pizzagate lunacy, the Republican base would have 100% believed him and Obama would look like he was manipulating the election himself. Other than dumping the data and thereby betraying god knows how many sources, how do you propose he should have bypassed McConnell and the party of puppets? It's the same logic that blames Obama for Gitmo when the Republicans actively passed measures to forbid him from spending a red cent to close the camp.
Please?
Same with voting by mail here in Washington state. Twice my employer has asked for signed blank ballots.
Wow, that is seriously illegal.
Next time it happens, document it and put their ass in jail.
Can't we just vote using Facebook? Blop-blip for your fave candidate? Let's keep the whole process in-house :D
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Ever heard of wag the dog? Russia was a distraction. The real interference was by the Democratic party with voting irregularities like voting multiple times, illegals voting and people voting in another district. The democrats were busing in people from other states.
So what's stopping the Sergeant from watching his enlisted cast their vote for the "right people"? What stops someone selling their vote and allowing the person paying to watch them vote?
There are reasons we have voting booths.
I realize mail-in absentee ballots have the same issues, but this is a step towards allowing or requiring everyone to vote this way.
"Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
Wtf. How is traitor still a word? Get back to the cold war.
Requiem for the American Dream
Yeap; they succeeded three decades before they started. Russia ftw!
Requiem for the American Dream
Do you guys sit next to each other in the shill-farm?
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>and your boss can force you to vote there way in the office or your fired.
It also enables pay-for-votes (the de facto limiting factor has been the inability to confirm someone voted a certain way)
In big races, they already spend a few hundred dollars per voter in advertising. Direct payments would be a lot more effective.
How ironic considering that the 'authority' to determine what is or is not illegal, is derived from the promise-of or actual coercion.
Just icing on the cake of freedom really :D
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of course that's the intent, to prevent an organized group of people from presenting a candidate. In order to sabotage your competitor, get your puppets to go vote for the most toxic candidate on the opposition slate. That bullshit contributed to us getting Trump.
I'll crush any NCO or junior officer who tries that, and prosecute those who tolerated such illegal behavior.
This is the worst idea ever. No paper trail, easily hacked. We're so concerned about those scary brown people voting that we invent reasons to scrape them of the rolls but, hey, let's allow people to vote electronically from overseas. Totes safe.
This could make voting more convenient, more cost effective and more secure - contrary to the bullshit that one reads about how paper ballots are the future. First we need to realize that the biggest problem with voting is that it is completely anonymous. That makes it impossible to verify votes after an election and makes many attacks nearly impossible to track. So the most important change to make is to make voting *pseudo" anonymous such that an individual voter can go online to see that their vote was recorded successfully and also to enable auditors to sample and verify votes as needed to ensure the integrity of the election.
The second big improvement that could be made is to lengthen voting times so that anyone who wants to vote can vote. Having one or more ways to go online to vote (like online banking is done today) can make big improvements.
The third big improvement would be to allow all citizens to vote without cumbersome registration or the favorite GOP tactic of going through the registration databases and purging voters. If the Russians didn't hack the registration databases in the last election they were idiots. It's an obvious technique and can be guided by analytics of which districts should be hacked for maximum effect. Remember that if your name is mispelled or suddenly comes up deleted, you get a provisional ballot and that means it doesn't actually count. This is how the Democrats got away with saying they were sure that "vote counts" weren't tampered with. A tampered registration that nullifies a vote isn't tampering with the later count since the vote will never be counted.
The fourth improvement would be to underpin the above with an in-person method of voting in case there are any problems when a voter tries to use the more convenient systems. An in-person vote would always override any previous recorded online vote during the month long voting period allowed.
When your CO comes to you and says "Did you vote the RIGHT way, subordinate? PROVE IT or I'm court-martialling your ass on whatever bullshit charges I can make up!"
Yea, sorry but if you arent in the state you shouldnt get to vote. I dont care if you are abroad. This applies for any and all elections.
and of course everyone who is a citizen should have a social security number and that existing registration should be used to allow everyone who is a citizen of voting age to vote.
and look at _how_ those industries maintain their stranglehold on American politics it isn't with arguments and advertisements so much as voter suppression. It just bugs me that we talk about democracy all over the world and then stopping people from voting is a central plank of our political system...
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The bottom line is that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton. There is plenty of evidence that isn't even disputed by the conservative wing of the media, or the GOP for that matter.
Clearly, you are a troll that is either delusional or in it for lulz. Either way, generally a drag on intelligent conversation and debate.
Epic stupidity. I'd expect NY or California to do that.
How will those votes be audited?
How can IDs be verified if nobody actually shows up to vote?
How are dead people prevented from voting?
Or husbands not forced to vote as their wives demand?
I don't have any issue with electronic voting, in highly controlled locations, provided a paper trail which can be validated by both the voter and 500 outside parties, post-election is possible. That means paper, humans names on it, and it needs to be readable at least 12 months, unlike the commonly used receipts from most stores which fade in 14 days so we can't return stuff or get warranty service later. Fuckers.
Voting at polling places instead of by mail prevents employers from engaging in this kind of thing. That's the whole reason behind the secret ballot, keeping all campaign workers a certain distance from the polls, etc. Our parents and grandparents came up with a good system that worked, because they faced these issues. Changing to a mail-in ballot for convenience was a bad idea, as rejecting simple, working systems to make them more complicated usually is a bad idea.
Just because Putin had a preference it doesn't mean that the government of Russia caused Trump to win. Believing that is just stupid.
If you want to know why he preferred Trump, read this: http://time.com/4422723/putin-....
And this: https://www.reuters.com/articl...
In the case of elections, I'm worried about people actually hacking elections, not merely stuff people claim to be worried about which are problems that doesn't actually exist.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
I'd be very interested in seeing somebody put this into print in a citeable source.
Just repeat after me: "there is no vote fraud, there is no vote fraud...". If you click your heels together while saying that, you'll awake to find yourself in bed and Auntie Em applying a cold compress to your forehead.
I'm not sure what you are responding to here. I would like to have a citable source.
Repeat after me: an anecdote posted anonymously on slashdot is not a citable source. An anecdote posted anonymously on slashdot is not a citable source.
It's a good reason to restrict absentee ballots to only people who actually are absent, or physically can't vote in person.
You missed the point, I think. In Oregon, and apparently in Washington, EVERY ballot is an absentee ballot. They mail the things out to every registered voter. And by registering everyone who gets a driver's license, they're mailing them to a lot of people who don't care enough to even register to vote. What happens to a ballot that you throw away? Does some nice person "recycle" it for you -- you know, "reuse"?
Then they're clearly not restricting absentee ballots to only people who actually are absent, or physically can't vote in person.
And our nice progressive Senator Wyden wants EVERY state to do it that way. Did I mention, he's a Democrat?
As I said: absentee ballots are a flaw in the system. They are a flaw in the system regardless of which parties the senators proposing them belong to.
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Cry your bitter little tears baby.
Trump 2020!
Fox News reports it differently.
The bottom line is that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton. There is plenty of evidence that isn't even disputed by the conservative wing of the media, or the GOP for that matter.
Clearly, you are a troll that is either delusional or in it for lulz. Either way, generally a drag on intelligent conversation and debate.
here's the last comment riley made referring to Fox news, before this one:
Comment Fox News is a beacon of journalistic integrity?? (Score 4, Insightful) 104
by riley on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:30AM (#55982167) Attached to: Rupert Murdoch Pushes Facebook To Pay For News To Guarantee Quality
And we are supposed to believe that the owner of Fox News is the guardian of quality information presented in an unbiased format? Really?
I'm sorry, who's a delusional troll? My guess would be the one with inconsistent positions.
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Try a little history... Go back further than your pathetic little life span and open your eyes. Both parties have switched positions several times. Do you even know what the Know nothing party was ...
http://www.ushistory.org/gov/5... Political Parties
http://www.ushistory.org/gov/5... Campaign and Elections
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
And also a lot more sensible. Let's be honest here, voting has been reduced to a dog-and-pony show anyway, if people at least got a few bucks out of it it would still serve a meaningful purpose.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It is not illegal to tell someone who to vote for (this is basically a campaign ad), only to enforce that they do what you tell them to.
This is exactly why we have secret ballots, so even if you are pressured to vote against your interests, you can not be punished for disobeying.
An app could actually help you here. It could have a "duress mode" where it casts a fake ballot and records video with the camera, so when you boss is checking to make sure you voted the way they want it's also gathering evidence of their crime.
Of course the real app won't have that, but certainly will be riddled with security flaws. Place your bets now, I'll put five bucks on using HTTP to submit votes.
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But it will only count votes for approved republicans. That solves so many problems the state has with the 2018 election.
yeah - that is jail-able.
I'm pretty sure voter turnout -- absentee -- is very high in local nursing homes.
I wonder if the voters know how they voted. Or that they "voted".
In St. Louis City (not part of St. Louis County) election anomalies got an election's result voided and, IIRC, criminal charges filed. The guy who nearly got screwed over by those "anomalies" got elected to the state legislature. Oopsie!
Which reminds me, I've been meaning to compare the absentee vote in St. Louis County with the "presentee" vote. I suspect they'll not match very closely, for some unexplained reason.
If for some inexplicable reason you want to try to beat me to it, here are the links to the absentee numbers and the final unofficial numbers.
http://electionresults.stlouisco.com/el180807/EL45_ABS.HTM
http://electionresults.stlouisco.com/el180807/EL45_4.HTM
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
I see how you picked your name "obfuscant".
This is almost uninteligible