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Apple Hired Scores of Ex-Tesla Employees This Year (cnbc.com)

According to CNBC, citing current and former Tesla employees and LinkedIn, Apple has hired scores of employees from Tesla since late 2017, including manufacturing, security and software engineers, as well as supply chain experts. The report mentions that they're hiring Tesla employees not just for the company's Project Titan self-driving car project, but for its other products too. From the report: In 2018 so far, LinkedIn data shows Apple has hired at least 46 people who worked at Tesla directly before joining the consumer electronics juggernaut. Eight of these were engineering interns. This year Apple has also hired former Tesla Autopilot, QA, Powertrain, mechanical design and firmware engineers, and several global supply chain managers. Some employees joined directly from Tesla, while others had been dismissed or laid off before joining Apple. Some ex-Tesla employees who joined Apple this year have not yet updated their public social media profiles with their new career info. That includes Apple's most noteworthy hire, Doug Field, Tesla's former Senior Vice President of Engineering. Tesla disputes CNBC's report, saying that voluntary attrition has decreased by one-third over the last twelve months, and that it has recently added talent from Apple and other companies. Regarding competition with Apple for talent, a Tesla spokesperson said, "We wish them well. Tesla is the hard path. We have 100 times less money than Apple, so of course they can afford to pay more. We are in extremely difficult battles against entrenched auto companies that make 100 times more cars than we did last year, so of course this is very hard work."

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  1. What Tesla is saying by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

    So basically Screw the lazy asses?

    Could have put a little bit more grace and a little bit less butt-hurt into the statement but I'll agree on one thing: How is it news that a few of your employees are hired by Apple unless the number represents a major chunk of your workforce?

    1. Re:What Tesla is saying by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's news because it indicates that Apple and Tesla didn't collude to set salaries and benefits like other Silicon Valley companies do every day.

    2. Re:What Tesla is saying by Rei · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, you can also find stories today where they found a couple disgruntled salespeople to complain about the company, being reported as front-page news all over the place. One was mad that someone emailed a picture of the couch Musk sleeps on. Another was mad that people are nice to Elon in meetings.

      Given that the company has ~40k employees, they can surely run hit pieces like this every day, all year long.

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    3. Re:What Tesla is saying by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately for a company that is trying to push out new Ideas. There is a a tight line of power, with very little room at the final decision making for debate.
      This usually means the Boss is a Power Mad Dick. Because he is completely focused on his vision, and needs people to help complete it, but doesn't want their vision to pollute his.
      This pollution or consensus building that employees tend to like because it gives them the feel of having more power, often will make too many compromises and make products fail.

      The irony of this is the fact that these companies who are trying to do big things, need to higher the best and brightest and most creative and needs to make sure they don't cross a narrow line which these people are trained to cross.

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    4. Re:What Tesla is saying by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      The very article you linked says things like "The Tesla CEO has sacrificed sleep and worked into the wee hours on the factory floor, against the conventional wisdom of mental-health advocates and CEO coaches".

      Nobody has said that Elon hasn't had a vacation in years. He very publicly went to Israel with his kids early this year, and posted photos from it. He hasn't taken more than a week off at a time in years. He basically goes through long bursts with little sleep up until specific deadlines, then gets away for a couple days, a couple times per year. The only time off since the Israel trip was his brother's three-day wedding in Spain, arriving in the morning on the same day as it started - as confirmed by the flight records. There was a several hour stopover in Belfast on the way back.

      Numerous people at the factory, both on and off the record, have confirmed that he does sleep on that couch.

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    5. Re:What Tesla is saying by Raenex · · Score: 2

      He basically goes through long bursts with little sleep up until specific deadlines, then gets away for a couple days, a couple times per year.

      Maybe he should stop stretching himself so thin. Projects like Hyperloop and his Boring company are big wastes of time when he's already in charge of an electric car company and a space company.

    6. Re:What Tesla is saying by AlanObject · · Score: 2

      Numerous people at the factory, both on and off the record, have confirmed that he does sleep on that couch.

      My housekeeper's husband who works there as a welder also told me this before it was widely spread news.

      Some people do say that overwork is the sign of a failed business model and I believe that as well. However my guess is that someone of Elon's mindset doesn't consider that overwork. He is doing something extra-ordinary (and has already achieved many such things) and there is no question he is personally willing to personally do what it takes to make Tesla successful.

      And someone wants to replace a CEO like that.

  2. the future is going to be interesting by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Google and Apple have the funds to build a new car line. So far, nothing out of either of them.
    This hiring shows that Apple might finally be getting ready to do so. One question would be, will they stay in the states?

    Another would be would Apple consider buying a company like Rivan?

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  3. To enter or not to enter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you open the door to an Apple car, do you void the warranty? Do you get to replace the car battery, or do you need to drive to your nearest Apple genius?

    1. Re: To enter or not to enter by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Android manufacturers are waiting for Apple to release a car they can copy.

    2. Re: To enter or not to enter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple are going to reveal a Toyota Camry, and then claim they invented it.

  4. Why shouldn't they leave? by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apparently, working for Tesla is now officially a shit show: https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/...

    1. Re:Why shouldn't they leave? by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

      According to one of the narratives, your calling the media names, blaming the messengers for the bad news and complaining about "fake sources" is quite similar to the way a Trumpy would do it.

      Be that as it may, we know from different sources that a bunch of staff has left Tesla, and that since the likes of Apple hire them they are pretty good. These independent observations corroborate the nypost story.

      If you have facts that negate it, please post them instead of throwing insults and FUD, it would be a more interesting read.

  5. Corporate truth.. Amazing... by beheaderaswp · · Score: 2

    What a wonderful, unfiltered, nugget of truth put forth by that spokesperson. Refreshing.

    You always bleed some talent after a startup has some success. People move on for cushier positions because startup employment is hard work.

    Apple went through something similar in the mid to late 90s. The people who stayed were said to "bleed six colors". The return of Jobs put and end to that :)

    Nothing new here- except someone told the truth. Wonderful!

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  6. Let's Consider the Numbers by turp182 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple has about 123,000 FTEs:
    https://www.google.com/search?...

    Tesla has about 37,500:
    https://www.google.com/search?...

    The article quotes that Apple hired "at least 46 people who worked at Tesla directly". Almost "four scores", which would have been historically interesting.

    Oh, and some had already been laid off or left Tesla.

    So, Apple hired a staggering 0.123% of Tesla's folk (46/37,500).

    Given the # of people that work at Apple, they probably hire far more than 46 people on a given day (maybe even a given hour).

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  7. Name Calling? by tungstencoil · · Score: 2

    It really makes me question the culture and conditions when someone in a Position of Authority claims that person/people left because the work is 'too challenging' (unless the person leaving explicitly states that). It not only obviously casts a bad light on the previous employee, but it speaks to someone's naive thought that it paints them as scrappier/smarter/more interesting.... Spoiler alert: you almost certainly aren't.

    It's like the remember the old Marine ad campaign that essentially said "we do more hard stuff before 6 AM than most everyone does in their entire day." People were like, "And that's a recruitment ad?! That's supposed to want to make me join?!"

    It did... or rather, it targeted their demographic. Employers who do this kind of ex post facto version by disparaging employees who quit and (gasp!) get a job somewhere else are just douchey.

    Source: I once had an employer's reaction to me quitting was that 'some people just don't like the updated pace since we were acquired,' No, jackass, I didn't like the fact that I was promoted a year ago, told at the time the acquisition meant salary freeze... when the freeze was lifted my as-of-yet-unknown raise would be paid retroactively. Finally lifted, good news: my 1% salary increase would be paid retroactively. My previous boss - whose job I took - made double my salary. The 1% was an insult. Best part: she was genuinely surprised, then angry, when I quit. I understood the acquiring company paid less for the same positions and I was already in the promotion's band but... yeah.... I couldn't keep up... but the three people hired to backfill probably did OK.