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Trump Accuses Social Media Firms of 'Silencing Millions' (reuters.com)

U.S. President Donald Trump accused social media companies on Friday of silencing "millions of people" in an act of censorship, but without offering evidence to support the claim. From a report: "Social Media Giants are silencing millions of people. Can't do this even if it means we must continue to hear Fake News like CNN, whose ratings have suffered gravely. People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!" Trump wrote on Twitter, not mentioning any specific companies. Trump also criticized social media outlets last week, saying without providing proof that unidentified companies were "totally discriminating against Republican/Conservative voices." Mr. President's Friday remarks comes days after he expressed concerns over Twitter and Facebook regulating the content on their own platforms. He found such practice "very dangerous."

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  1. Old man yells at cloud by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. Re:Old man yells at cloud by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!

      Huge chunks of the US have repeatedly shown that they are incapable of determining what is real and what is not. Evidence of this is the fact that people believe Trump. More evidence is the fact that Snopes needs a page for this.

      Cue the cloud and old man.

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  2. He is not wrong tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    regardless of your opinions, he is right. of course they have the right to do so, but people are being silenced

    1. Re:He is not wrong tho by DCFusor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Take away their safe harbor protection, since they are no longer one. If they curate, it's no longer just the comments of the participants, it's now "journalism" and things like libel apply...which would of course, shut down all the people on the "other side" from the ones they're silencing as well, and we could go back to kitty pix and meals and platitudes....in peace.

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    2. Re:He is not wrong tho by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it was actually people being silenced by the millions instead of just astroturf bots, he would have a point.

    3. Re:He is not wrong tho by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real problem is everyone is talking but no one is listening. So to be heard they talk louder and try to be more shocking to get attention. The one who gets attention is listed to. But only the most outrageous arguments are being heard, so for those who oppose those ideas will either go as far in the other direction or just not listen causing such escalation. From Free Speech of idea sharing, to trolling.

      Free Speech has moved from long conversations of opposing ideas, to bumper sticker slogans.
      Not all ideas will have a consensus, not all view points are right. But we have fallen into such tribalism we are seeing the opposite party as these evil goblins who are out to kill our way of lives.

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    4. Re:He is not wrong tho by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. I know for a fact my twitter is shaddow banned and ive had numerous posts on FB removed and banned a number of times for innocent posts simply for going against groupthink.

      either everything goes, or they are no longer innocent in what is allowed on their platforms. choice is yours.

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    5. Re:He is not wrong tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dissagree. The people being shadowbanned and deleted are assholes or bots. There's a terms of service that all users agree to abide by, and those being removed are simply failing to abide by what they agreed to.

      It's not the social media sites fault that the people being abusive and racist are far more quantitatively republican/conservative.

    6. Re: He is not wrong tho by tattood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fox can choose to not broadcast \ report any news that doesn't fit their world view, and so can Twitter.

      Fox is the company that is generating the content of the new reports that they broadcast (they tell the news anchor what to say). Twitter does not create the content of user's tweets, so it is not the same. A correct parallel would be if Fox were a public access TV network, then they would not be the ones creating the content.

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    7. Re: He is not wrong tho by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

      Twitter is who pays for the servers, the connections, the code, the support staff, etc. They can choose to not let whoever they want post, as long as it's not because they belong to a protected class.

    8. Re:He is not wrong tho by farble1670 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ive had numerous posts on FB removed and banned a number of times for innocent posts simply for going against groupthink.

      No, you haven't. No one is naive enough to think that FB removed your posts just because you offered a different opinion.

    9. Re: He is not wrong tho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      sadly when all my non technical friends are on those services, I still need to use them at least from time to time.

      You don't "need" to use any of that stuff.

      If you cannot maintain contact with friends without using social networks, those people you're trying to maintain contact with are not real friends and your "friendships" are not real friendships either.

    10. Re: He is not wrong tho by mi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly why Usenet and IRC are — and always have been — a better alternative.

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    11. Re:He is not wrong tho by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      so? leave FB then.

      the more people do that, the better.

      you are annoyed that a SOLELY OWNED private website does what it want? oh, the shock and horror.

      bring back usenet and distributed social networking. then I might give a damn. but websites? who, that has tech understanding of this, even cares?

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    12. Re: He is not wrong tho by farble1670 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, and the truth of your statements is obvious by the fact that you offer no supporting evidence and are afraid to even post under a pseudonym. You might live in a world where saying shit makes it true, but the rest of us don't.

    13. Re:He is not wrong tho by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      the solution is to break up the USA and make it into more state-like entities. skinner had the right idea; smaller city-states, not bigger ones. big ones mean that too many different subsections will NEVER agree. so, give each what they want; those that don't agree should move (we can do that today; we couldn't quite do that 200+ years ago, not quite as well).

      I will never agree with the self-labeled conservatives. nothing they view is important to me and nothing I see as important means a thing to them. we are as different as night and day. I don't want to live under their rules; and they, mine.

      so, lets break up. its the only sensible solution. countries eventually find this out when they try to merge too many different internal cultures.

      in the US, its the 2 coasts vs the middle shit. and yes, I'm extremely biased as the middle shit continues to drag us down and backwards. I don't share their values and they don't share mine. its cruel to force each to live by the other standard. and there is NO compromise; they want no right to choice, ever; and we want lots of choie. they don't believe in ganja, but love alcohol and guns; I'm the opposite. on and on it goes; there is no room for compromise. how do you compromise on things that are either one way or another? it can't be done and we're suffering for even trying.

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    14. Re: He is not wrong tho by dbreeze · · Score: 2

      Because you are offended. No nation can survive long with a population of over-sensitive citizens all demanding they must not be offended. No one holds 100% truth. Occasionally, you will be wrong. Try not to be offended by that. Choose to learn and grow from it instead.

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  3. From the other side of the big pond by Epeeist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.

    1. Re:From the other side of the big pond by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you point to a Trump policy that fostered that growth? If you want him taking the credit for it, show his work. All the rest of us see is any time he tries anything on money policy or trade, there are stories in the paper a few weeks later about the sector he touched tanking or offshoring. Like Carrier, Harley Davidson, GE, various appliance makers, Coors raising prices because of aluminum tariffs, soybean farmers, tourism down, auto manufacturers in the Carolinas having slumps because of China's reverse tariffs, etc.

      So maybe the economy as a whole is shambling along on momemtum like an oil tanker whose engine cut out an hour ago and is still cruising at 15mph, but many sectors of the economy sure do sound like they're getting hit with enormous unnecessary pain as a result of someone's mouth...

    2. Re:From the other side of the big pond by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have the strngest economy in 20 years. How you doin?

      To be more specific, we had the strongest economic growth in 20 years under Obama, and Trump hasn't torpedoed the economy (yet).

      http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/economic-growth-remains-steady-falls-short-trumps-vows
      https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/05/17/trump-lags-behind-his-predecessors-on-economic-growth/
      https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/02/donald-trump/donald-trump-base-describing-gdp-growth-his-watch/

    3. Re:From the other side of the big pond by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you point to a Trump policy that fostered that growth? If you want him taking the credit for it, show his work. All the rest of us see is any time he tries anything on money policy or trade, there are stories in the paper a few weeks later about the sector he touched tanking or offshoring. Like Carrier, Harley Davidson, GE, various appliance makers, Coors raising prices because of aluminum tariffs, soybean farmers, tourism down, auto manufacturers in the Carolinas having slumps because of China's reverse tariffs, etc.

      So maybe the economy as a whole is shambling along on momemtum like an oil tanker whose engine cut out an hour ago and is still cruising at 15mph, but many sectors of the economy sure do sound like they're getting hit with enormous unnecessary pain as a result of someone's mouth...

      Or how about Trump's rambling speech about "wildfires" and "higher wood costs coming from Canada" and all that? Lest it be forgotten, Trump put in a 20% tariff on softwood from Canada shortly after coming into power last year, so of course people are paying more for wood - he made it more expensive!

      (American companies can supply about 75% of the domestic consumption, which is why Canada can still sell wood to the US despite the 20% tariff). And of course, if Canada has to sell 20% more expensive, aren't you going to raise your prices a bit to make extra profit?

      I think part of the problem is Trump's upbringing. He's been speech trained, which is why you never see him use "ums" or "ahs" when he talks. (Compare and contrast to other world leaders - like Justin Trudeau or Obama and you'll see they pause, stutter and do "um, ah" a lot. Trump doesn't, because he was coached into not doing it). This is good if you want to seem eloquent as only commoners let their mouths run faster than their brains and have to pause with ums and ahs. Of course, the reality is, the speech training makes sure if you do run out of words, you end up repeating what you said.

      So if you hear Trump say something like "This will make them very happy, they will be happy, and happy it will be" or some other non-content thing, that's the training kicking into action with Trump speaking instead of saying "ah, um, err". Likewise, when something fictional comes out, I can't help but think that's also something his speech training taught him or he grew into).

      The only REALLY good news is that Trump generally doesn't follow up with his ramblings.

    4. Re:From the other side of the big pond by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow, a momentary blip in GDP growth at the end of a recovery that is in many ways the longest sustained one ever, almost all of which occurred under Obama. Things always destabilize when they are about to go bad. During that destabilized period, there are often some manic highs outside of what the longer recovery experienced. That's what you're seeing - the result of destabilization. There will be others before the recession which almost all experts, no matter their party affiliation, expect to kick in within the next 18 months.

      In terms of change since arrival in office, Obama turned the direction of the second worst recession in our history around in months after taking office - a massive delta versus the direction it was taking under Bush. At the most, Trump can argue for a tiny delta that was delivered almost entirely to the rich.

      If you discount those first few months of Obama's tenure during which jobs were still going down because you can't instantly change directions, Obama created more jobs than any previous President. And he did that while being the first President in modern history to oversee a decrease in overall government employees! This means that his record for jobs created in the private sector is well above any other. Most Presidents have boosted their job numbers by building the number employed by government.

      Trump actually cannot achieve Obama's job numbers no matter how good he does. There simply aren't enough people left that will take a job no matter how tempting you make it to put the same numbers up. Obama did too good of a job.

    5. Re:From the other side of the big pond by penandpaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder, could conservatives find someone, anyone, among the ~400M Americans, that is able to uphold their values without being a loud mouth egotistical maniac troll?

      Are you serious? Let's see the last few how the media portrayed them. Romney was a sexist. McCain was a racist. Bush was Hitler that stole the election.

      There is not a single Republican that the Left would not think as some kind of *ist. Every single one this century has been labeled evil by some ism or ist. Go figure that eventually the loud mouth egotistical maniac troll is thrown in like a hand grenade. I don't think any decent Republican can run the way the media operates and treats them. Even Paul Ryan was demeaned as some evil hater of immoral isms by left media. The most tame Republicans are not safe from the medias slander.

      I really do dislike this kind of sanctimonious "why can't republicans put forward people I like" garbage. The only good republican is a non-threatening one. One that doesn't run for office. Any time one tries for office they instantly become evil.

  4. Hypocrite by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump: People should be able to say whatever they want on private platforms that have no connection to the government.

    Also Trump: Football players should be fined and fired for daring to take a knee.

    So in one case he wants the First Amendment to apply to private companies, and in the second wants to force silence on non-govermental employees.

    1. Re:Hypocrite by Binestar · · Score: 2

      I know you're AC here and this is likely a useless response, but there is a difference. Trump's twitter account is considered an official government method of communication. As such, people being blocked from reading it is unconstitutional. It's not the same when the reverse occurs because the reverse isn't an official government method of communication.

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    2. Re: Hypocrite by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Where did Trump claim that football players can't post their opinions on social media when they aren't on the clock?

      And why the hell does it matter if there are on the clock? I don't recall that the NFL is in any way a part of any national, state, or local governments. As such there are on private time which means only their employers have any say. In the past some of their employers said it was okay and demonstrated with their employees. What is your argument against that?

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    3. Re:Hypocrite by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The problem with making hypocrisy arguments like that is that the converse cases are usually also true. You have people supporting the right of NFL players to kneel during the national anthem, yet hypocritically think it's OK for social media companies to censor certain users. Which probably accurately describes the stance of most Trump opponents.

      The only people who are not hypocrites are those who think it's OK for NFL players to kneel, and that social media companies shouldn't be censoring users. Or I suppose people who think NFL players shouldn't kneel, and that it's OK for social media companies to censor. (And yes I'm aware censorship typically refers to government blocking speech. But I don't know of a similar word which applies to private individuals blocking the speech of each other. It's the concept which is imporant here, not semantics.)

  5. Re:I'd propose a trade by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Heck if he just shut up I bet his approval ratings would go up 10 points.

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  6. Re:yes they are silencing millions by DCFusor · · Score: 2

    Sadly, that even happens in real life. You don't have to like it, but it's pretty hard to stop unless you're wise enough to not need validation from cattle.

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  7. As someone inside the US by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.

    That seems like accurate description of the situation. Though upon closer inspection, we also have a chickenshit congressional majority who refuses to do their duty to keep the president in check.

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    1. Re:As someone inside the US by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      Though upon closer inspection, we also have a chickenshit congressional majority who refuses to do their duty to keep the president in check.

      They can't. Trump's built a system where going against him equates with going against conservative values in general. Any politician that doesn't agree with him even slightly is "not on the team" and loses. Conservatives are all-in on Trump. Trump is conservatism in America.

    2. Re:As someone inside the US by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They can't. Trump's built a system where going against him equates with going against conservative values in general. Any politician that doesn't agree with him even slightly is "not on the team" and loses. Conservatives are all-in on Trump. Trump is conservatism in America.

      You seem to misunderstand what duty means. They swore an oath and now they are failing to uphold it.

      Just because something will destroy you politically doesn't mean you should refuse to execute your responsibilities.

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    3. Re:As someone inside the US by gtall · · Score: 2

      More accurately, he's changed "conservative values" into the fetid dingos kidneys of his imagination.

      He's started a fight with just about every ally except Israel. He's started a fight with just about every trading partner. He's denigrated two entire continents in Africa and S. America. He's collapsing environmental laws. He helped give away a large pot of money to the right and we're now on track to trillion dollar deficits every year. He's dragged the institution of the Presidency down to the World Wrestling Federation level. He's denigrated women, only roughly half of our pop. He's cheated on his wife while she was birthing one of his sprogs. And, just the cherry on the top, (one good thing he's done) has shown how the Evangelicals are really just the KKK without the hats.

  8. Re:Proof? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Diamond and Silk
    Alex Jones
    Candice Owens

    3 of the above are black women, so I have to assume Zuck is a bigot, along with everyone supporting his censoring people.

  9. Re:Bots and Fakes [Re: He is not wrong tho] by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, but bots and fake accounts are REALLY important to the right. Their whole self image is based on the idea that they are the majority, that they represent 'the real people'. Anything that threatens that belief by decreasing the raw numbers they can point to cuts them too their core.

  10. Re:Only one person needs to be silenced, by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    And that means she is no longer relevant.

    Trump, on the other hand, is in office, and that means he's fair game for criticism.

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  11. Re:Only one person needs to be silenced, by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think DJT ought to be silenced. I think people should stop listening to him.

    DJT is proof of Terry Pratchett's observation that hate and love are both forces of attraction, because people who hate DJT hang on his every word, even when it makes them sick with outrage and that makes his followers feel empowered, which of course shows the people who love him and the people who hate him are equally irrational.

    Now I think Donald Trump is a miserable human being unworthy of the office. But I don't *hate* him; as far as I'm concerned if he goes back to being a successful reality TV star that's fine, because I don't feel compelled to pay attention to him. As long as he's president I do have to pay some attention to what he says, but since I don't hate him I have the luxury of not having to react emotionally to every bit of manipulative BS that comes out of his mouth.

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  12. Trump senses a disturbance of the force by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2

    Trump senses a disturbance of the force. It felt as if millions of bots cried out in terror, and then were silenced.

  13. Re:I'd propose a trade by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

    Because like it or not, most of his base have a pretty deep-seated hatred for CNN (the "Communist News Network" as many call it). Any news of unfortunate happenings towards CNN is good news to much of the Republican base.

    This isn't exactly shocking though or just a Republican thing. Whether they'll admit it or not a ton of Democrats would feel the same way if they heard that Fox News was having trouble.

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  14. Re:Proof? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    Diamond and Silk

    Caught lying about what happened, basically a non-incident.

    Alex Jones

    On top of posting overtly racist content, he orchestrated harassment campaigns against the relatives of mass shooting victims. Would any conservatives like to argue that this should be allowed?

    Candice Owens

    Had to look up who this was. Her account was briefly locked due to a large number of reported violations, and then Twitter aplogized. OH THE HUMANITY!

    So again, the supposed persecution of conservatives on social media is some combination of Nazis hiding unopposed under the "conservative" banner, and inflamed conservative persecution complexes leaping at shadows.

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  15. Re:Bots and Fakes [Re: He is not wrong tho] by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This can be verified very easily by digging into the followers of Trump's Twitter account - even by hand. Pick a few, look at their posts, likes, friends, etc., and you can easily see that a high percentage are fake accounts. The likes are very inconsistent, the friends are also fakes, the comments are generic or inconsistent with what is being commented on, etc. One funny aspect is that it is astonishing how many muslims allegedly follow him :)

    I've been watching them for a couple of years now and have been impressed with the technological development of some of them. There is a large mix that makes it obvious that multiple organizations with differing resource levels and sophistication are creating them. The best though are much less detectable by an algorithm now, but they are still easily discerned by a real person.

  16. Re:I'd propose a trade by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems odd to me. CNN basically stopped being a news network a decade ago and instead have talking heads. I don't consider it left or right, it's pretty much bland.

  17. Re:Trumpies hate any fact checking media source by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fact checking would go more smoothly if Trump just bothered to check his facts before twitting.

  18. Re: I'd propose a trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Trump is actually just another Russian twitter bot."

    No. Those at least have artificial intelligence.

  19. Re:Only one person needs to be silenced, by DCFusor · · Score: 2

    You're making sense AND you got voted up. Is this still slashdot, or am I in some alternate universe?

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  20. Re:I'd propose a trade by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or worse, he actually believes what he's saying.

    Fox and the rest of the right wingnuts regularly get taken to the cleaners by repeating what some yahoo says because it gins up ratings. Then the truth comes out, they look like idiots...except to their viewers who by that time have moved on to the next faux outrage Fox, et. al. are promoting. And there is a never ending supply of molehills they can masquerade as mountains. It's the closest thing yet to a perpetual motion machine....a perpetual propaganda machine.

  21. I don't hang on his words because I hate him by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    I hated him before he was president and cheerfully ignored him. He's the most powerful man on earth. His Supreme Court nominations are going to change American Politics for decades to come. We're probably not going to get Single Payer Health care because of that (the current court will shut it down). Heck, we might even lose Medicare & Medicaid when push comes to shove.

    I hang on his words because they've got enormous power over me. It's not emotion, it's policy.

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  22. Re:Only one person needs to be silenced, by gtall · · Score: 2

    I, on the other hand, do hate him for helping turn America to its darkest ideas that should have gone out of style with the KKK. And for what he's doing to environment. There is no forgiving dragging America down that dark hole.

  23. Alex Jones wasn't silenced by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    he's still got his website. He was removed from YouTube & Twitter for repeatedly inciting direct violence. It's a wonder it didn't happen sooner. Go on YouTube and look up some videos from "Secular Talk" on Jones. He's been accusing Jewish journalists of blood libel (it's a belief that Jewish people drink the blood of Christians in religious ceremonies if you don't know what that is, I didn't until I saw the Secular Talk videos). That's against both YouTube & Twitter's guidelines.

    The final straw came when he mimed shooting Robert Mueller to an audience he knows is mildly unhinged. It was a Jones supporter who showed up with a rifle at the "PizzaGate" restaurant (google it if you don't know what it is but be prepared to lose a little faith in humanity...).

    Moreover Jones has admitted in sworn deposition during his divorce trial that everything he does is an act. So you can't say he isn't fully aware of the consequences of what he's doing. He's not a true believer or a kool aid drinker. He's manipulating a specific set of people and knows it and he knows the risks involved.

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  24. Re:Second link says the opposite of your claim by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trump exceeds Obama growth. You also fail to mention loss of purchasing power under Obama or the general economic malaise of the country, and have fallen back on two propaganda sources -- Maddow and Politifact -- to make your argument.

    And you fall back on no sources whatsoever: you just make up facts.

    There was no particular change in purchasing power between Obama and Trump-- the inflation rate stayed about the same: CPI increased 2.9% year over year as of June. Oil prices have goine up 65% since Trump's election, though, so Trump's election has resulted in a net loss in purchasing power.

    Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you? Either that or you are honestly deluded (insane) or liars.

    I'm not sure what your point is, since I'm not a leftist. I'm a guy who likes numbers.

  25. Re: I'd propose a trade by reiterate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dom't watch either, but my initial searches are showing CNN to be overwhelmingly more reliable and factual than fox news, like 4:1. Can they honestly be compared? Genuinely asking, personally I trust AP articles and that's about it.

  26. So what? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    Who cares? And there's nothing to see here. So a website bans someone? Is this suddenly a problem? Do websites have to give up their rights so someone else can have their speech on this website? No. Websites have the same rights as we do, sorry. They definitely have to right to not be associated with your speech, with or without a reason.

    Case in point, if you head over to ANY technical support forum from any computer manufacturer and start posting about rabbit breeding and showing, you'd be asked to leave, your posts would be removed. That speech is not the focus of the forum, and the forum's operations have no obligation to publish your speech.

    Just stop this nonsense. If Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or Granny's Cooking Website doesn't want you there, then you have to leave, you have no rights, period. You are a guest of the website operator and as part of your agreement you clicked on without reading, you relinquish any rights you thought you might have, when you signed up to that site. GTFO with this BS. You wanna speak? Head over to your favorite web hosting company and register a domain, publish whatever you damn well please on YOUR website.

  27. So go build your own, creeps by Millennium · · Score: 2

    You should be used to this by now. No one wants you around, so you find a community that doesn't understand what you are, take advantage of their hospitality, ruin it for everyone, and no one wants you around again. What's one more trip through the cycle? Or you could end it, by actually making the change and growing the fuck up, but of courseyou don't want to do that.

    Failing that, build your own community. You've got everything you need for that. No one will stop you from leaving, and no one will miss you when you're gone. You may run into some trouble growing your community when no one wants to be around you, but so what? You should be used to this by now.

  28. Trump's entire administration is a distraction by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trump is quietly dismantling Obamacare and with it protections for pre-existing coverage. He's cut the VA. 83% of his tax cut went to the 1% and it's causing run away inflation which the Fed will combat with rising interest rates making home, car and credit card debt more expensive for consumers. His Trade War has a net negative job effect and is itself a distraction from the effect of automation (we've doubled manufacturing output in 50 years while cutting 2/3rds of the jobs, we've lost more to robots than outsourcing).

    I could go on. The beauty of Trump is that his outrageousness masks a lot of very real and very bad things that will hurt the American working class.

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  29. I'm listening by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've listened to a lot of what comes out of the Trump Administration. Not Trump himself, his Administration. And it scares me. I'm most worried about how he's letting a challenge to the ACA's protection of pre-existing conditions go through. I've got friends and family who live and die by it. Nobody's talking about it. The lawsuit is quietly proceeding like nothing happened. Meanwhile his Supreme Court nominee will likely strike it down when it passes his desk. And on the off chance Bernie Sanders & the Dems get us Medicare for all ending the farce of our healthcare system once and for all that same nominee will likely kill it. In the process they might kill Medicare & Medicaid too...

    The shouting isn't there because they're not being listened to. It's a distraction from what the ruling class is doing to the working class...

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  30. Re:Second link says the opposite of your claim by DamnOregonian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trump exceeds Obama growth.

    Not even close. I think you are perhaps looking at the last reported quarter and assuming that is growth for the entire term.
    Now, if the last quarter were to continue happening, yes, he would definitely decimate growth under the previous President's term. However, it should be noted that Obama had several 4% quarters, and even a 5% quarter.

    Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you?

    Sigh, first off, leftists aren't a thing. I know Tucker and Sean tell you they are, but they just aren't. Stop using the word, it makes you look like a raving lunatic.
    Second, no, your opponents are not living in different worlds, especially as long as you're using pure falsehoods to describe your world. You're literally accusing them of doing what you actually are doing. That's called projecting. It's a sign of intense insecurity. You could probably get help with that.

  31. Re: I'd propose a trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I voted for Hillary, and I fucking hate CNN. It's 90% clickbait racist garbage.

  32. Re:Excellent summary by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

    Twitter is a far-Left platform.

    Yeha not hosting literal nazis makes you far left. Well, you're certainly living up to your usernaeme.

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