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Trump Accuses Social Media Firms of 'Silencing Millions' (reuters.com)
U.S. President Donald Trump accused social media companies on Friday of silencing "millions of people" in an act of censorship, but without offering evidence to support the claim. From a report: "Social Media Giants are silencing millions of people. Can't do this even if it means we must continue to hear Fake News like CNN, whose ratings have suffered gravely. People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!" Trump wrote on Twitter, not mentioning any specific companies. Trump also criticized social media outlets last week, saying without providing proof that unidentified companies were "totally discriminating against Republican/Conservative voices." Mr. President's Friday remarks comes days after he expressed concerns over Twitter and Facebook regulating the content on their own platforms. He found such practice "very dangerous."
Let the Russians on FB etc, just shut Trump up
https://i.imgur.com/nnwVNui.png
regardless of your opinions, he is right. of course they have the right to do so, but people are being silenced
Will he repeal draconian copyright laws to prove he is against censorship. To prove that companies should not be determining what users can and can not do online?
No because he is a liar, a fraud and a bad man.
It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.
Trump: People should be able to say whatever they want on private platforms that have no connection to the government.
Also Trump: Football players should be fined and fired for daring to take a knee.
So in one case he wants the First Amendment to apply to private companies, and in the second wants to force silence on non-govermental employees.
... is not censorship.
Sadly, that even happens in real life. You don't have to like it, but it's pretty hard to stop unless you're wise enough to not need validation from cattle.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
... from the usual "political correctness" complaint, which is somebody with a regular appearance on a major newspaper page, TV or radio show, complaining to an audience of millions that they are being "silenced". ( https://www.theguardian.com/us... )
On a practical note, if these millions are "unsilenced", how I am supposed to find time to listen to them? I can only listen to each of even one million people every month, if I spend 18 hours a day listening to each for two seconds.
People are NOT getting silenced.
Correct. What they are shutting down are the bots and fake accounts.
People can still spout their paranoid conspiracy theories and can still troll for lulz, they just have to do so from one account linked to their own name, not 1000 accounts linked to 1000 fake names,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mollie-tibbetts-death-russia-bots-alliance-securing-democracy-trump-cohen-manafort-a8505241.html
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/spot-russian-bot-social-media/
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/spot-russian-bot-social-media/
+1 informative
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
It looks as though you have someone who is completely out of control as president of your country.
That seems like accurate description of the situation. Though upon closer inspection, we also have a chickenshit congressional majority who refuses to do their duty to keep the president in check.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
What if i buy facebook and use all the tools they created and silence you?
People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!
You know, some of the stuff Trump says could be truly profound, if not for the source...
That's his method ... he uses outrageous hyperbole, and while everybody gets the vapors, the actual issue really does get some attention.
I don't care if it's a clown crying "fire" if there really is a fire ...
Diamond and Silk
Alex Jones
Candice Owens
3 of the above are black women, so I have to assume Zuck is a bigot, along with everyone supporting his censoring people.
Those poor unwashed millions of Russian and Iranian bots waiting to be heard.
Hey, I have an idea, he could resign and move there and hear from them all the time!
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Is run by rich socialists.
Corporatism != Free Market
Nationalise and give it to the FCC for administration.
If Trump is so opposed to this because he knows that the garbage his followers share on social media that is untrue is going to be caught up in this. For example, a few weeks someone I know from high school, who lives in a small town in a very conservative "red state", posted a link to article claiming that California was registering every illegal immigrant that they could find to vote. Now, let's look at this logically. Let's just go wild and claim that they really did register 10 million illegal immigrants to illegally vote. I picked that number because it's insanely high and Republicans always like to claim that we've already got a problem with huge numbers of illegal votes. Well, because of the electoral college, you win California by 1 vote or 10 million extra illegal votes, you still just win California. So registering illegal voters doesn't hurt Trump. And if all those illegal voters influence other elections fraudulently, well, I would think that citizens of the state would have recourse to use the courts to seek relief. No doubt registering illegal voters intentionally is a crime, probably a big one. And there certainly are conservative areas of California, like Orange County, where I would think that a lawsuit over this, if it was true, would find a favorable judge to hear it. But no, let's just make wild claims and get people outraged over nothing because an outraged conservative is a voting conservative I guess.
And that means she is no longer relevant.
Trump, on the other hand, is in office, and that means he's fair game for criticism.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
As has been said, Twitter (and FB) are private companies where free speech does not exists. That is, except for those on the far-left. Anyone else will be muted or banned.
I retweeted something about showing respect for veterans and was shadow-banned on Twitter - my tweets are no longer seen by others. If I were to retweet something about verterans being the same as nazi's that would be OK, and I'd probably end up with a blue Twitter checkmark on my profile.
Twitter is anything but free speech. There needs to be an alternative that really is.
I do not belong to the church of the lowercase 'i'
That's the foundation for a stupid society. People need to be able to rely on a reliable news-media and press because nobody has the expertise or time to figure out what is real or not real, all information being equal. He might as well insist that everyone repair their own cars and grow their own food.
Of course, Trump thinks the press is the enemy of the people. Insisting that everyone individually figure out what's real or what's not is straight from the populist cookbook interested in keeping people effectively believing in nothing.
"Old man yells at systemd"
I don't think DJT ought to be silenced. I think people should stop listening to him.
DJT is proof of Terry Pratchett's observation that hate and love are both forces of attraction, because people who hate DJT hang on his every word, even when it makes them sick with outrage and that makes his followers feel empowered, which of course shows the people who love him and the people who hate him are equally irrational.
Now I think Donald Trump is a miserable human being unworthy of the office. But I don't *hate* him; as far as I'm concerned if he goes back to being a successful reality TV star that's fine, because I don't feel compelled to pay attention to him. As long as he's president I do have to pay some attention to what he says, but since I don't hate him I have the luxury of not having to react emotionally to every bit of manipulative BS that comes out of his mouth.
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Then I go to Slashdot and bitch about it while I find a new site to be on or I make one for me and my silenced friends.
The corporations that are "silencing people" are owned by corporations that have a wide latitude as to what they can allow or disallow on their platform. Free speech says that if you don't like what somebody has to say you are allow to get on your own soapbox and say it. I'm just saying that you aren't allowed to use "my soapbox" to stand on.
Oh regardless of whether or not you like trump, for better or worse we have him as our president until either he loses an election, can't run any longer (completed 2 terms) or gets removed from office.
One thing I will say is looking back at all the presidents that I remember (I can remember back to Carter) I can't remember any president with so much controversy surrounding him, yes presidents are not liked for one reason or another, a policy is disliked etc but wow the controversy surrounding Trump in itself is scary.
Trump senses a disturbance of the force. It felt as if millions of bots cried out in terror, and then were silenced.
I can tell the strength of your convictions by how you aren't even able to post under a pseudonym lest someone might figure out your stand on the issues.
There is a worrisome trend lately where governments try to force social media (and others) to self-censor by threatening huge fines for not keeping their forums "clean". An overview of the situation in some countries:
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-fake-news-law.html
I think that is just as dangerous as social media suppressing comments they don't like. Not that traditional media are immune to either, even if their countries claim to be free, democratic nations.
In the USA, you have things like the Nixon administration trying to shut down inconvenient news as treason: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States
Here in Germany, we have some newspapers with clear political bias but also attempts by the government to shut them up if they make the politicians look bad. Such as this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_scandal
Today though, the Spiegel is behaving like a propaganda rag at times, always ready to condemn the Russians long before the underlying facts are proven. Perhaps not quite "false news" but getting close.
C - the footgun of programming languages
Diamond and Silk
Caught lying about what happened, basically a non-incident.
Alex Jones
On top of posting overtly racist content, he orchestrated harassment campaigns against the relatives of mass shooting victims. Would any conservatives like to argue that this should be allowed?
Candice Owens
Had to look up who this was. Her account was briefly locked due to a large number of reported violations, and then Twitter aplogized. OH THE HUMANITY!
So again, the supposed persecution of conservatives on social media is some combination of Nazis hiding unopposed under the "conservative" banner, and inflamed conservative persecution complexes leaping at shadows.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, and others routinely apply double standards to non-Leftists and censor non-Leftists.
Then they lie about it.
I get wanting to censor all political competition, but why not just admit that is what you are doing?
I guess that censorship is not popular, and social media is afraid of losing popularity and going the way of MySpace.
However, by alienating half of their potential audience, they have guaranteed that they are obsolete anyway...
Alternative Right.
Reveals Titanic desperation
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Alex Jones called for violence against innocent people, victims of his half-cucked conspiracy theories. You're a FUCKING IDIOT if you think Twitter or ANY platform should put up with that.
Christ on a pogo stick, are we really back to this bullshit? Nixon trotted this out , his "Silent Majority". He had a secret plan to end an undeclared war backed by a silent majority. No one does bullshit better than republicans and the criminal Trump is following Nixon's playbook except the criminal Trump does not read and he damn sure can't retain anything he has been told. The guy is stupid, senial Nixon.
Another day closer to redwood heaven
They wanted to stop publication of a stolen and leaked classified document. That is not "inconvenient news."
Democracy as usual.
Alternative Right.
Fact checking would go more smoothly if Trump just bothered to check his facts before twitting.
How long have the vague accusations of "treason" been unsubstantiated by evidence nor even any plausible details? Two years?
Now, when Trump simply states the obvious — and, indeed, admitted by Facebook themselves — the Left turn back to the most rigorous standards of evidence.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I don't care if it's a clown crying "fire" if there really is a fire ...
If you're depending on a critical message like "fire!" to be delivered properly, you really don't care that it's coming from Bozo? Compare a normal looking person screaming "fire" to a giant orange clown screaming "fire" -- your brain will spend extra cycles trying to cope with the existence of Bozo the Giant Orange Clown, his bouncing around, arms waving, before ever getting to the actual message. You really want these sorts of messages delivered in a serious, professional manner that commands attention and elicits the proper response quickly. Or you can spend extra time wondering, "is this guy fucking for real?"
Apply this to our orange friend in the WH. How do we take anything he says seriously? Can he credibly scream "fire" at this point?
Beware of the Leopard.
You will also have given the fringe new legitimacy and an honest and uncontroversial grievance, which will make them more powerful.
Alternative Right.
David Brock is that you....
Yes, at least in common sense. Are they legally public spaces? I argue that they are public spaces if we translate physical world law to virtual world law.
No, because he was using Twitter as a mouthpiece for the government, and the government cannot censor speech. The same requirement is not made of private entities, possibly with the exceptions mentioned above.
Alternative Right.
Twitter is a far-Left platform. It seems odd, then, that they do not want to be revealed as such, and actively deny it. What are they hiding? I wonder if it has something to do with their advertisers, ownership, or funding.
Alternative Right.
The foundation of a stupid society is a profound statement by a man you don't like and think is unprofound? Okay.
We don't have reliable news-media and it wasn't better before Trump. Do you think Republicans just started hating the media because Trump?
Insisting that everyone individually figure out what's real or what's not is straight from the populist cookbook interested in keeping people effectively believing in nothing.
This makes zero sense and fundamentally undermines the point of democracy and free speech. What is the alternative? If you can't trust fellow citizens to make up their own mind and figure out what is real or isn't then how the hell do you trust them to vote? By your standard, anything democratic or civically responsible is part of a populist cookbook. Who doesn't employ populist recipes in any kind of democracy if no one can't rely on themselves for reality?
The term "racism" simply refers to:
There is nothing wrong with either; in fact, they are the only natural and scientific positions!
Alternative Right.
He's probably noticed there's not much to read because most of his favorite sources of information have been outed as bot farm propaganda and filtered.
Its truly frightening that the (former) leader of the free world dictates U.S. foreign policy based upon fake news instead of trusted advisers, career diplomats and seasoned security professionals.
Greed is the root of all evil.
Social media companies are not publishers; they are spaces where other people speak their minds.
The NFL, on the other hand, is a single-topic publisher, and anything it endorses is a statement of support. This is closer to the cake case, where the baker did not want to bake the gay cake because he saw it as endorsing an issue he viewed as demonic.
Alternative Right.
True. However, by banning them from Twitter, the company has ensured that (1) they cannot communicate back to government, even just to give it a digital finger, and (2) government cannot measure response to its ideas by using Twitter.
Alternative Right.
About 3 weeks ago, Hank of the Vlogbrothers put up a vlog where he questioned whether we need to reconsider how the First Amendment works now. The basic premise of his post was questioning whether private platforms could eventually reach a size and scope such that they become public forums upon which free speech must be protected. I don't think he's in support of this, but was simply airing the general thought and outrage that some people (conservatives) are having over the censorship that is occurring on various platforms. In other words, the public is starting to feel that free speech is something that should be protected from businesses, not just the government.
I personally don't think this should or will happen. At the end of the day, Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are private businesses that let people on the platform and let them say what they want, for free. The companies have to manage and pay for the servers and infrastructure that keeps all of that running, which gives them the power to decide what they want on their platforms. Is it censoring? Yes, but its not much different from a business owner kicking you out of their shop for cursing up a storm.
If society decides that free speech is something that should exist within private businesses as well, then I think we'll start to see a lot products simply forgo allowing people to have speech in the first place. I know some services have stripped comments and reviews completely because they can be very toxic and are more trouble to police than anything else.
You're making sense AND you got voted up. Is this still slashdot, or am I in some alternate universe?
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
I am sure you look to America to distract from how badly things are going over there.
Alternative Right.
The point is to reach new audience, not preach to the choir.
Alternative Right.
there's nothing stopping Alex Jones or any of the other folks banned from starting their own site. Yes, they might have to host it themselves on their own hardware (that right wing Facebook competitor has been warned by Microsoft to tone down some of their users) but they can do it thanks to common carrier.
As always there's an XKCD comic for this.
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they lose the protection of common carrier. They know this. It's why if you share copyrighted material they have to take it down within a certain period of time (DMCA gives them some additional protections there).
/. that you want to assassinate somebody specific and the threat seems credible they will take it down. In exchange for that we have a moderation system and, well, we don't have people here inciting violence and hate non stop.
Slashdot doesn't have common carrier either. If you post on
Common Carrier and safe harbor aren't all they're cracked up to be. Not everyone needs to be or even wants to be the phone company.
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I really don't understand why we hear from this guy as much as we do...
he's completely in control of the big money donors who helped put him in office.
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I hated him before he was president and cheerfully ignored him. He's the most powerful man on earth. His Supreme Court nominations are going to change American Politics for decades to come. We're probably not going to get Single Payer Health care because of that (the current court will shut it down). Heck, we might even lose Medicare & Medicaid when push comes to shove.
I hang on his words because they've got enormous power over me. It's not emotion, it's policy.
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I, on the other hand, do hate him for helping turn America to its darkest ideas that should have gone out of style with the KKK. And for what he's doing to environment. There is no forgiving dragging America down that dark hole.
"His opinion is not egalitarian, so it is a meany opinion, which means he is an asshole and should be excluded from polite society."
Alternative Right.
he's still got his website. He was removed from YouTube & Twitter for repeatedly inciting direct violence. It's a wonder it didn't happen sooner. Go on YouTube and look up some videos from "Secular Talk" on Jones. He's been accusing Jewish journalists of blood libel (it's a belief that Jewish people drink the blood of Christians in religious ceremonies if you don't know what that is, I didn't until I saw the Secular Talk videos). That's against both YouTube & Twitter's guidelines.
The final straw came when he mimed shooting Robert Mueller to an audience he knows is mildly unhinged. It was a Jones supporter who showed up with a rifle at the "PizzaGate" restaurant (google it if you don't know what it is but be prepared to lose a little faith in humanity...).
Moreover Jones has admitted in sworn deposition during his divorce trial that everything he does is an act. So you can't say he isn't fully aware of the consequences of what he's doing. He's not a true believer or a kool aid drinker. He's manipulating a specific set of people and knows it and he knows the risks involved.
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Trump exceeds Obama growth. You also fail to mention loss of purchasing power under Obama or the general economic malaise of the country, and have fallen back on two propaganda sources -- Maddow and Politifact -- to make your argument.
And you fall back on no sources whatsoever: you just make up facts.
There was no particular change in purchasing power between Obama and Trump-- the inflation rate stayed about the same: CPI increased 2.9% year over year as of June. Oil prices have goine up 65% since Trump's election, though, so Trump's election has resulted in a net loss in purchasing power.
Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you? Either that or you are honestly deluded (insane) or liars.
I'm not sure what your point is, since I'm not a leftist. I'm a guy who likes numbers.
You're citing political sources for economic data? WTF? It's like you're deliberately seeking out propaganda to believe. Just look at the raw data in any of dozens of places.
Well, what you just stated in your post makes the same case, the only difference being that you cite no sources at all. So, pick either one-- my citing NBC and Brookings, or your citing nobody whatsoever-- and we seem to get to the same place.
...Late 2016 is the point when the US economy went from "recovering but shaky" to "doing great". Credit whoever make you feel better for that.
Since Trump took office in January 2017, if your analysis says "late 2016" is the point where the US economy went to "going great", then I wouldn't credit Trump
Is right twice a term...
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Russian trolls suddenly cried out in terror and were silenced. I fear something constructive has happened.
-- Obi-Wan Trump
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Then you'll have been scammed, since Facebook doesn't have enough power to silence anyone. Whatever rumors of silencing tools you've heard, I guarantee it: not a single one works. Snake oil.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Who cares? And there's nothing to see here. So a website bans someone? Is this suddenly a problem? Do websites have to give up their rights so someone else can have their speech on this website? No. Websites have the same rights as we do, sorry. They definitely have to right to not be associated with your speech, with or without a reason.
Case in point, if you head over to ANY technical support forum from any computer manufacturer and start posting about rabbit breeding and showing, you'd be asked to leave, your posts would be removed. That speech is not the focus of the forum, and the forum's operations have no obligation to publish your speech.
Just stop this nonsense. If Facebook, Twitter, YouTube or Granny's Cooking Website doesn't want you there, then you have to leave, you have no rights, period. You are a guest of the website operator and as part of your agreement you clicked on without reading, you relinquish any rights you thought you might have, when you signed up to that site. GTFO with this BS. You wanna speak? Head over to your favorite web hosting company and register a domain, publish whatever you damn well please on YOUR website.
You should be used to this by now. No one wants you around, so you find a community that doesn't understand what you are, take advantage of their hospitality, ruin it for everyone, and no one wants you around again. What's one more trip through the cycle? Or you could end it, by actually making the change and growing the fuck up, but of courseyou don't want to do that.
Failing that, build your own community. You've got everything you need for that. No one will stop you from leaving, and no one will miss you when you're gone. You may run into some trouble growing your community when no one wants to be around you, but so what? You should be used to this by now.
it becomes an act, because he's now acknowledged that the conspiracy theories are something you have to act about. It's a bit like opening Pandora's box. Baring a mental break down (which there's no sign he's had, he's still perfectly capable of running a large enterprise) he's well aware that the things he says have no basis in reality.
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like it is a bad thing. Most people should not have any right to speak publicly.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
There you go, perfect, an alternative platform for alternative facts. So people need to stop claiming that they are being silenced just because they got kicked off of whatever particular platform they got kicked from. They're not being silenced, they're just being told to move. That's a big difference.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Trump is quietly dismantling Obamacare and with it protections for pre-existing coverage. He's cut the VA. 83% of his tax cut went to the 1% and it's causing run away inflation which the Fed will combat with rising interest rates making home, car and credit card debt more expensive for consumers. His Trade War has a net negative job effect and is itself a distraction from the effect of automation (we've doubled manufacturing output in 50 years while cutting 2/3rds of the jobs, we've lost more to robots than outsourcing).
I could go on. The beauty of Trump is that his outrageousness masks a lot of very real and very bad things that will hurt the American working class.
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Don't forget he and his Congress are actively doing things. To combat the inflation caused by his tax cut being too supply side focused (nice way to say it mostly went to the rich) the Fed is going to raise interest rates. Hope nobody was planning to buy a house or car or refinance in the next 8-10 years...
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they're complicit. There's a difference.
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I've listened to a lot of what comes out of the Trump Administration. Not Trump himself, his Administration. And it scares me. I'm most worried about how he's letting a challenge to the ACA's protection of pre-existing conditions go through. I've got friends and family who live and die by it. Nobody's talking about it. The lawsuit is quietly proceeding like nothing happened. Meanwhile his Supreme Court nominee will likely strike it down when it passes his desk. And on the off chance Bernie Sanders & the Dems get us Medicare for all ending the farce of our healthcare system once and for all that same nominee will likely kill it. In the process they might kill Medicare & Medicaid too...
The shouting isn't there because they're not being listened to. It's a distraction from what the ruling class is doing to the working class...
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Trump exceeds Obama growth.
Not even close. I think you are perhaps looking at the last reported quarter and assuming that is growth for the entire term.
Now, if the last quarter were to continue happening, yes, he would definitely decimate growth under the previous President's term. However, it should be noted that Obama had several 4% quarters, and even a 5% quarter.
Leftists really do live in different worlds, don't you?
Sigh, first off, leftists aren't a thing. I know Tucker and Sean tell you they are, but they just aren't. Stop using the word, it makes you look like a raving lunatic.
Second, no, your opponents are not living in different worlds, especially as long as you're using pure falsehoods to describe your world. You're literally accusing them of doing what you actually are doing. That's called projecting. It's a sign of intense insecurity. You could probably get help with that.
I'm not sure what your point is, since I'm not a leftist. I'm a guy who likes numbers.
Liking facts seems to make one a leftist these days.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I manage several pages and follow many more than have been hit. Sometimes they're punished by the algorithm (never seen) and sometimes they're just deleted entirely. And of course, no explanation is offered and no appeal is possible.
Followed by a massive recession as the consequences of his ill-advised "fast money" policies came due. Also, most of the growth in the American economy at that point was actually growth in Chinese manufacturing and thus American profits, especially after unions devastated American labor in the 1980s.
You don't get it both ways, sorry. Either the sitting president is responsible for the economy when they are in office, or they aren't. You want to claim the 4% GDP growth in Trump's term is due to his policies, you have to accept the same for Clinton.
If you want to go this route, I'll just say that the 4% GDP growth we are seeing now is due to Obama's policies. Want to keep playing?
https://www.reddit.com/r/great...
https://qmap.pub/
Draw your own conclusions on what it all means, or what the implications are, but if you're not paying attention to what Q is posting you don't know what the hell is going on....
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
More fucking political bullshit from the neo-nazi's here on /.
Why don't all of you just go back to stormfront or what ever nazi rag you came from, and leave us to actual news....not this propaganda bullshit.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
What good are values you're not willing to suffer for? The whole point is to do what you think is right in spite of temptation or fear.
It's what bothers me the most about Republicans today - even if I disagree with them, I can respect a person with grit. You'll have a hard time finding that among their ranks today.
Up until now the Fed has been keeping the interest rate VERY low. They're already indicated they're going to increase it. CPI in a lagging indicator.
The press isn't the enemy of the people? Better hope its not advantageous for the press ever to make a story about you for the sake of ratings and profit, because they will. They may smear you as a racist murderer, and even inspire revenge killings and assaults on innocent people in your name. They may even change your race to fit the narrative. Nobody is too virtuous not to be thrown under the bus if it suits them.
It's exactly why we need to protect speech on platforms, and people like independent journalists who can counter corporate media and propaganda. Not let "private company do what they want". Because if endless war has taught us anything, its that we can't rely on the news-media, and we do need to be informed.
Trump: #metoo
Literally Everyone Else: eww
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
https://qmap.pub/?pg=2#61
Please refer back and collect my crumbs.
As discussed, we've anticipated the Twitter and other social media blackouts.
Rogue agents/programmers.
Per sealed Federal orders, we quickly tracked and reinstated.
Expect outages periodically (infiltrated).
If this doesn't signal what I've been saying I don't know what will.
Q
https://qmap.pub/#113
Social media platforms.
Top 10 shareholders of Facebook?
Top 10 shareholders of Twitter?
Top 10 shareholders of Reddit?
Why is SA relevant?
MSM.
Controlling stakes in NBC/MSNBC?
Controlling stakes in ABC?
Controlling stakes in CBS?
Controlling stakes in CNN?
Investor(s) in Fox News?
Why is this relevant?
What is Operation Mockingbird?
Active?
Who is A Cooper?
What is A Cooper's background?
Why is this relevant?
Snow White.
Godfather III.
Speed.
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Just go to qmap.pub and search for "social media". If you haven't spent much time looking for answers to Q's questions you don't know what's happening.
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
That's a long rant from a racist that lacks the self awareness to understand just how much he has in common with the behaviours he's berating.
The response from both sides is disturbing? Trump and the GOP congress are destroying the lower class so the rich can get richer. The Democrats are trying desperately to prevent this. That's a disturbing reaction? Maybe in the sense that it's disturbing that it needs to be done.
I don't care if it's a clown crying "fire" if there really is a fire ...
If you're depending on a critical message like "fire!" to be delivered properly, you really don't care that it's coming from Bozo?
If all the normal people are saying "ooh, fun! We need more of this flickering stuff!" then yes, I don't care. I thank the clown.
If the clown is the only one around (who can be heard) saying what needs to be said, when the respectable people refuse to do so, then the problem does not reside with the clown.
I OTOH credit Trump because the economy is forward-looking, and companies switched from survival to growth in November. But, hey, whoever's right will have better investment success.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
IDK. My America has gotten better this year, first evers for me: Paid vacation time, Completion bonus's, Retirement fund! Maybe you're letting your hatred blind you.
so I don't expect them to learn from Trump. It doesn't help that Hilary mostly ignored them and when she did pay attention she called them Deplorable. She couldn't have picked a worse word. It's catchy but sounds like something educated elites say (because, well, it is). It's also the same thing that cost Romney the election (remember his 42% quip? Christ, even Romney knew better than to say that in public...).
With luck Bernie will win the primary, but right now the establishment seems intent on cramming right wingers like Biden or Kamala Harris down our throats. We could have had Franklin but bloody Harris used her connections to take him down over that photo.
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"Top Psychic's Head Explodes"
http://content.time.com/time/a...
Sigh ... now THAT was news! I mean, what would the world be without Bat Boy!
Man, isn't that great? Not only news, but science and even Art!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://vimeo.com/44545006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
From the heart of American Media Inc., of course, which lives on with National Enquirer and who knows what else?
the more he reminds me of Hitler, sitting in his bunker, maneuvering imaginary divisions and battalions. He's completely lost it, reality is too much for him so he's substituting it with his own.
You've lost it. He's out and about, around the world and the country. Actually visiting businessmen around the country to see how he can help them. Something Obama would never even consider.
You should get out of your mother's basement more and pull your head out of your ass.
Basically you can't win on the merits, so your only answer is to silence the opposition.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Twitter IS suspending millions of accounts...of bots!
https://techcrunch.com/2018/07...
If we view the internet as a public space, certainly. At that point, however, we are considering not just the wires but the whole internet as a utility. I analogize it to telephone service, in that everyone has a need to use it and so it cannot purely be a free market scenario unless cultural mores so strongly favor universal use that any censorship would provoke riots.
The problem most of us have with net neutrality is that it is a regulation, and these impose costs on businesses and consumers. The former squeeze little guys and new players from the market, and the latter is basically another form of backdoor socialism, passing on the costs of government and free riders to the obedient little sheep in the suburbs.
One wonders why these issues were not considered during the original choice to open the internet up to commerce. My guess is that people always assumed an internet 2.0 would soon exist for actual content, where internet 1.0 would become nu-television.
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The real world does not work according to your judgmental little rules. What matters is cause and effect. We can see clearly how Obama's policies, like Clinton's policies, were destined to leave little time-bombs behind, and also see how Trump's tax cuts, loosening of regulation, and more sane attitude toward international commerce has boosted the economy now.
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Yes, I oppose allowing spying on our government. Do you endorse it?
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Your sin is cherry-picking. During the Obama years, purchasing power fell quite a bit.
You're not a Leftist? Do tell... what are you, then?
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Egalitarianism is any argument made from equality or toward equality. There's a wide range.
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He used the term "assholes." Since people are being banned for political opinions, how else do we define "asshole" but according to the dominant paradigm?
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"Wrong" according to what standard, and what proof of its universality or universal utility?
Self-interest is never wrong, especially if it results in a more stable order than ethnic egalitarianism.
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Would that be your response?
No, of course not, because historically it was not.
If we tell people that they cannot wear jackets saying FUCK THE WAR in a courthouse, suddenly that's limiting their free speech.
But kicking them off the contemporary equivalent of the phone system because they are not egalitarians, that's OK.
Leftism bends minds and then breaks them.
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Therefore it was stolen; US documents become public property once they are released to the public. It was not intended for release. That is the whole point.
It depends on why they did it, don't you think?
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Civil Rights law pretty much removed that. Unless you support restoring it?
I am glad to hear that you support the right of people to have, for example, an all-white community enforced by law.
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OK then, so history was just an error in designating the new egalitarian philosophies following the Enlightenment as Leftist.
Fantasy worlds, again.
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I should expand, since due to some activity in my office this one got cut off:
Having observed the Obama years, the purchasing power of our currency fell off quite a bit. You might look along these lines:
* https://www.consumerreports.or...
* https://www.bostonglobe.com/li...
* https://montrealgazette.com/op...
It may have avoided the official indexes, but the loss of real-world value to our currency was a thing, which is about what one would expect from fast money policies.
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My assertion is that under Obama, the purchasing power of American currency declined, something called "shrinkflation" in those articles.
I am not necessarily concerned with contrasting it to Trump, whose presidency is still young. He has clearly had some successes but these might need to be observed over time.
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I would not categorize them as stable, but I see repression as a sign of leaders in a precarious position. They seem dependent on China, to have a disastrous economy, and to experience frequent failures of food production.
A utilitarian argument, however, this one is a begging-the-question fallacy because you assume society must be diverse in the first place.
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Did you think that was clever?
* https://www.dailywire.com/news...
* https://www.zerohedge.com/news...
* http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...
* https://www.wnd.com/2015/04/tw...
There's a good starter list. Also, in the post you replied to, Jack Dorsey was the name, not Jeff Bezos. Cerebral flatulence.
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Cute conversation. What is your political alignment?
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Who else is going to report on this but Right-wing sources?
Which facts from the articles do you dispute?
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Team sports politics is an artifact of democracy.
The Left/Right axis however is clear in philosophy and history: Leftists are egalitarians, and Rightists are those who support the methods used before Leftism came along.
Where do you fit on that?
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Most societies are not very diverse. Further, times change, and with them, policy changes, so it makes no sense to make that assumption.
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I disagree. We can see the effects of some of what he has done. It depends on the act and how long it takes to see its effects generally; not all choices are equal in how deeply they permeate before taking effect and thus how long it is required to see their effects.
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I disagree.
I notice you quote no data.
We can see the effects of some of what he has done.
I notice you quote no data.
It depends on the act and how long it takes to see its effects generally; not all choices are equal in how deeply they permeate before taking effect and thus how long it is required to see their effects.
Vague generalities. Show me some data.
No team politics under the kings.
"There are no truths, only interpretations."
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At this point, none is needed, but your Reddit-style "Source?!?!" deflection is noted.
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"Bake that cake!"
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Would it? And does it matter? If a policy is toxic, we reverse it because its results will also be destructive.
Do you have a better source than the biased Wikipedia?
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Rightists see no need for egalitarianism, therefore both have no judgment of it but see it is irrelevant.
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The two are not the same. A cake shop is a private entity; YouTube however is a shared public space that benefits from public resources (namely, the internet itself). In the same way, I would not support a phone company refusing access to people for their political views.
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The original is from Fred Nietzsche, but on the Right, we tend to recognize that there are no universal truths, only some people who understand more than others.
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Cause/effect logic is a pillar of logic itself, so needs no citation.
I agree Redditors are generally low-IQ Starbucks baristas and Whole Foods checkers, but one of their gambits is a type of concern-trolling where they demand sources inappropriately in order to tire/bother the other party.
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History disagrees. Diversity means constant internal conflict.
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