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Read Two Of This Year's 2018 Hugh Award Winners Online (thehugoawards.org)

AmiMoJo quotes the Verge: The 2018 Hugo Awards were held Sunday night at the World Science Fiction Convention in San Jose, California. The Hugo award, voted on by members of the fan community, is considered the highest honour for science fiction and fantasy literature... N.K. Jemisin took home the top honor for The Stone Sky, the third installment of her Broken Earth trilogy. Other winners include Martha Wells for her first Murderbot novella All Systems Red, Suzanne Palmer for her novelette "The Secret Life of Bots," and Rebecca Roanhorse for her short story "Welcome to your Authentic Indian Experience." [Those last two links apparently let you read the entire story online!] Roanhorse also took home the John W. Campbell Jr. Award for Best New Writer.
Ursula K. Le Guin also posthumously won an award for "Best Related Work" for her collection of blog posts No Time to Spare: Thinking About What Matters.

And Zack Snyder finally won something, when Blade Runner 2049 lost in the "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form" category to Wonder Woman ("screenplay by Allan Heinberg, story by Zack Snyder & Allan Heinberg and Jason Fuch.")

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  1. Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read Two Of This Year's 2018 Hugo* Award Winners Online

    1. Re:Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not exactly stellar to have "This year's 2018", either. Unless there were 2018 awards...

    2. Re:Title typo by Megane · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether this is more a sign of the irrelevance of the Hugo Award or of Slashdot.

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    3. Re:Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And Zack Snyder finally won something, when Blade Runner 2049 lost in the "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form" category

      Also what kind of editing is this? Zack Snyder finally won something, when Wonder Woman won "Best Dramatic Presentation -- Long Form". You don't report that he won something because some other film lost. That comes across as grudging credit at best, if not sour grapes. Also acceptable is "when Wonder Woman beat Blade Runner 2049", but under no circumstances is it good editing to say Snyder won when Blade Runner lost to Wonder Woman.

    4. Re:Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame Trump. Bigly!

    5. Re: Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      86 comments and still not fixed. Disgusting.

    6. Re: Title typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      102 comments, typo still in heading. This site sucks.

  2. Errors in headlines are embarrassing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's just what we need to solve the problems in the Science Fiction community: a brand new award.

  3. Diversity by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This isn't good. All the winners were from the same gender. When with diversity come to science fiction? AmiMoJo please help us.

    1. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How dare you assume their gender based on their name! Besides they might have changed it since accepting the awards, or right beforehand just to throw off "normies" like yourself!

    2. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The onus would be on the progressive journo at The Verge for using she/her pronouns. At least in the summary snippet.

      On a more serious note (as serious as these joke awards can be) what's up with Wonder Woman's script winning over Blade Runner?! I don't particularly like 2049, but I'd bet there's a hint in the titles of both movies...

    3. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wonder Woman's script was probably better than the BR re-pop. 2049 was mostly space between deadpanned dialogue. Nothing near what the original was in that regard either. I dunno if I'd read too hard into that decision.

    4. Re:Diversity by StevenSheeves · · Score: 0

      Why would a toxic SJW like AmiMoJo care?

      Women, Minorities, Disabled, etc are nothing more than props for their virtue signaling.

      I'm sure the women who were handed these winning awards are overjoyed to have their work used as nothing more than tools for wacko SJWs to own some boggeyman called 'teh alt-right'.

    5. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Men just aren't interested in reading/writing. They prefer visual arts like movies. It's biological or something. Dude wrote a memo about it, maybe you missed it because it didn't get much publicity.

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    6. Re:Diversity by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't worry, you can always go look at the nominees for the Dragon Awards and find some actual decent Science Fiction. The "Hugh" awards are basically dead, more an indicator of what not to read now, at least if you're an SF fan, rather than a literary SJW.

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    7. Re:Diversity by StevenSheeves · · Score: 1

      What a hateful and sad little troll.

    8. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Okay I'll give you the real answer. You won't like it though.

      First, men did win this year, it even mentions some of them in the summary. Lots of nominations too.

      But the more important thing is that there isn't an obvious systemic problem here. If there was you know I'd be first to point it out. This year is exceptional.

      There needs to be a trend or evidence of some specific issue for there to be a problem.

      Told you that you wouldn't like it.

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    9. Re:Diversity by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Men just aren't interested in reading/writing.

      I guess that all those famous books written over many centuries were just male pseudonyms of female writers.

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    10. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's biological or something.

      So, lemme get this straight; interest in reading/writing is biological but your sex isn't. That's your level of sound reasoning?

    11. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno, they gave best comic to The Mighty Thor. You know, the one that made Thor a woman.

      Seriously though, the Dragon Awards are kinda suspect. The first year the results matched the suggestions put forward by Vox Day, the guy who attacked the Hugo awards, perfectly. The voting system is easily rigged and the results seem more driven by opposition to the Hugo's than anything else.

      Also, Fortnight, really?

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    12. Re:Diversity by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      "Super Hero" crap isn't SF, though. It's more of that Marvel-type crap. SF is about looking forward with wonder, not rehashed 1950's style villains and heroes.

    13. Re:Diversity by pots · · Score: 2

      The Dragon Awards look like they're just another popularity contest. Why not the Nebulas? Anything wrong with those?

    14. Re: Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why not the Nebulas? Anything wrong with those?

      My view of them is cloudy.

    15. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, faggot.

    16. Re:Diversity by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. I think they are being oppressed. They need to be encouraged to participate.

    17. Re:Diversity by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No the real answer is a bunch of SJW like you and voted for people based on their gender. Pretty pathetic. Except for Ursula, the writing was pathetic.

    18. Re:Diversity by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      But the more important thing is that there isn't an obvious systemic problem here. If there was you know I'd be first to point it out. This year is exceptional.

      No white men have won a Hugo in anything, save for the "dramatic presentation" category, in years.

      So I guess 2017 was an exceptional year too.
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      And so was 2016.
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      And at last, we have ONE white guy in 2015 (for best novelette). And the only reason he won was because there was an open rebellion among the fans demanding it:
      https://www.wired.com/2015/08/...
      Of course, that didn't stop the Hugo committee from responding to the rebellion by refusing to issue awards for most of the other nominees:
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      Should I go on, or are you still going to pretend that white guys have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a Hugo anymore?

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    19. Re:Diversity by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, Issac Asimov, Fredrik Pohl, Phillip K. Dick, Arthur C. Clarke...all secretly had vaginas. Best kept secret in the industry.

      It's hard to believe that AmiMoJo believes even a fraction of his own bullshit anymore. Looking at the Hugos, you would think that white men just up and decided to stop writing science fiction in the 21st century. Of course, we all know that's not what really happened.

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    20. Re:Diversity by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They should try harder, then.

      That's only going to work if by "try harder" you mean "get gender reassignment surgery."

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    21. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Told you that you wouldn't like it.

      Well no, people generally don't like bullshit.

    22. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Dragon Awards has more than 10 times as many voters as the "Hugh" awards ever had. FFS, Scalzi was nominated and ranked highly. You think that the vote was rigged to give him good results?

      No, the Dragon Awards are open to ANYONE, rather than just the small number of WorldCon attendees and people that shared out a fistful of money. That makes it a popularity contest... and for good or for ill, that's what the results are.
      As compared to the Most Woke contest that the Hugh awards have blatantly become.

    23. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apparently the male writers are not, according to the HUG-O awards folks

    24. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the more important thing is that there isn't an obvious systemic problem here. If there was you know I'd be first to point it out. This year is exceptional.

      No white men have won a Hugo in anything, save for the "dramatic presentation" category, in years.

      So I guess 2017 was an exceptional year too.
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      And so was 2016.
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      And at last, we have ONE white guy in 2015 (for best novelette). And the only reason he won was because there was an open rebellion among the fans demanding it:
      https://www.wired.com/2015/08/...
      Of course, that didn't stop the Hugo committee from responding to the rebellion by refusing to issue awards for most of the other nominees:
      http://www.thehugoawards.org/h...

      Should I go on, or are you still going to pretend that white guys have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a Hugo anymore?

      Men are just not as good at creative writing, according to some vague statistics, but they’re better at other stuff like eating contests so it’s ok.

    25. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember... for feminists it isn't the number of women that's the problem. It's the presence of men.

      Keep this in mind whenever one speaks about diversity and or gender imbalance.

      It's a great way to cut through their bullshit.

    26. Re:Diversity by Tuidjy · · Score: 2

      You know, I did not like Wonder Woman, and I do think that it is strange that white men no longer seem to be able to win much in the Hugos, but the two free stories are actually pretty good as far as I am concerned. Better than a lot I've read recently, and definitely SciFi, as opposed to fantasy crap.

      I no longer read as much SciFi as I used to, and I certainly do not follow new authors before I hear really good things about them. Still, after reading The Secret Life of Bots by Suzanne Palmer I'm definitely putting her on my 'Check everything she writes' list.

      I don't know how much of the Hugo is decided by sectarian politics, but the two samples I've checked are worth of the awards. Maybe better works have been passed over, but I do not have any reason to believe it. Now, if anyone has some links to stuff they think is better, I'll definitely give them a chance.

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    27. Re:Diversity by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The Secret Life of Bots was an enjoyable little story, but it did make me wonder at the level of editing. For example,

      “Even nitrogen ice is still several hundred degrees K too warm.”

      I can concede that the error of "degrees K" might be the character's error rather than the author's, but nitrogen boils at 77K.

    28. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Informative

      Just looking at the 2017 result I see:

      Peter Newman
      Michael Damian Thomas
      Terry McDonough
      Hawk Ostby
      Mark Fergus
      Denis Villeneuve
      Eric Heisserer

      And that's excluding Ted Chiang because of your arbitrary "white" clause.

      Did you think I wouldn't check?

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    29. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they’re better at other stuff like eating contests so it’s ok.

      Well, until SJW's notice men are winning eating contests, and demand that muslim lesbian transexual women be given special "inclusive" treatment so that they always win instead.
       

    30. Re:Diversity by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Peter Newman for a fancast co-hosted by a woman
      Michael Damian Thomas part of a group award for a magazine edited by a woman with other women writers
      Terry McDonough Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
      Hawk Ostby Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
      Mark Fergus Best Dramatic Presentation which, as I mentioned, is the only category men are still allowed to win
      Denis Villeneuve Best Dramatic Presentation and co-authored by an Asian
      Eric Heisserer Best Dramatic Presentation and co-authored by an Asian

      Did you really think *I* wouldn't check?

      Tell me, AmiMoJo, do you even believe your own SJW bullshit anymore, or are you just in too deep now to change sides?

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    31. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Moving the goalposts again. Now your requirement is an award for an individual work that had nothing to do with women at all... Because that's a rational standard to judge an award for creativity by.

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    32. Re:Diversity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Jeez someone's sense of humour is broken. The moderation system needs an overhaul.

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    33. Re:Diversity by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      At this point I can only conclude that you're either a deep-cover troll or mentally ill. Either way--you be you, man.

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    34. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I caught that one too. There are quite a few problems with that statement, including the fact that specifying degrees K would be strange for someone using Celsius, or that if you can anchor the McGuffin inside a pressurized cargo hold, you should be able to anchor it inside a Nitrogen ice shell in vacuum.

      But as you said, that can be just a mistake done by sleep deprived characters on a suicide mission at the end of a losing war. Who are probably not up to contemporary IQ levels, anyway, given that they have lost the concept of mines.

      We all make mistakes - for example, to have Nitrogen ice you need to be below 63K - at 77K it would already be liquid.

    35. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He had his dick cut off. Mentally ill it is.

    36. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying that "the Hugo committee respond[ed] to the rebellion by refusing to issue awards for most of the other nominees" shows an appalling ignorance of how the winners of the Hugos are decided. Why did you not read the site you linked to? The *fans* voted No Award in those categories. "No Award" has always been an option in Hugo ballots.

    37. Re:Diversity by Megol · · Score: 1

      At least try to write a good post! Maybe AmiMoJo is right for once and men can't write?

    38. Re:Diversity by Megol · · Score: 1

      Only _real_men_ count: homosexual men living in segregated male communities count, isn't that obvious? All others are cucked feminine soyboys or so the Internet tells me.

    39. Re:Diversity by Megol · · Score: 1

      As I've written previously it would feel very weird to call someone "it" but I'll try anyway.

      BTW don't be ashamed for being mentally ill, mental health problems are pretty common and people are more accepting these days.

    40. Re:Diversity by Novae+D'Arx · · Score: 1

      Listen... Not to be "that guy" but, well... What if I told you that part of a culture of diversity is that some things won't include you? I'm a straight white guy, but I've traveled enough and regularly interact with people of other backgrounds, ethnicities, sexualities, etc. to not have the American/Western European mindset of "pretty much everything I interact with is designed specifically around and for me". So what if the Hugo awards is becoming female-centric? There are many, many other sci-fi awards. You can pay attention to some that you feel represent you better than ones that don't. You're just used to, y'know, everything being about you by default. Just imagine for a minute what it's like, though, to be part of a demographic that isn't "the default" sci-fi reader: a straight white guy. For those people, which includes women, people of different races and nationalities, gay people, trans folks, and so on, everything feels like the Hugo award does to you, but all the time and for everything. As the world shifts, there will be more things that just don't include you, and that's fucking fine. You can choose to pay attention to them or not, because that's how things work. Don't be a damn snowflake just because not everything is about you all the time; it comes across as childish. And I think we all know that with your attitude, you'd be shitting on anyone that's not a white male if they complained about not being included in one of "your" things, so shush it.

    41. Re:Diversity by Megol · · Score: 1

      Well according to the Edda Thor was at least a cross dresser.

    42. Re:Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the poster your referring to but seems to me he is saying the work should be judged on the work, instead it does feel like its the work + SJW litmus test. But either it's not happening which seems doubtful considering the spread or it is happening and the winners get the dubious award of suspicion they were nominated for traits besides their writing. It's like affirmative action smears everyone involved, if your black and in college and earned it you are outwardly indistinguishably from those who got to jump the line due to skin color, which can't feel good to the guy that earned his way.

      Personally I think its easier to find authors I like using alternative resources besides awards, awards have become meaningless now just because of the aforementioned reasons. I mean we have all tried to read an award book and said wtf.

    43. Re:Diversity by whitroth · · Score: 1

      Yup. Most of these wannabees have never actually, you know, like *read* any sf,, and think it's all movies and tv, and novelizations.

      That kind doesn't think reading more than 280 characters is "k3wl", and that's not counting the "edgy" 16 yr olds using naughty words.

    44. Re:Diversity by shplopt · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but many white male Hugo winners, historically speaking, have been married... to women! We're through the looking glass folks!

  4. How diverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Funny how that turned out: Hugo award winners are almost exclusively women. Peak diversity achieved.

    1. Re:How diverse! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Men who read science fiction are betas. Shut your pie hole and like it, she stated matter-of-factly.

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    2. Re:How diverse! by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Are pie holes anything like doughnut holes? Because you could definitely find a lot of people who like doughnut holes.

    3. Re:How diverse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was predicted in 2015.

    4. Re:How diverse! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yes, mistress.

  5. Hugh Awards? by Kargan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?

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    1. Re:Hugh Awards? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you read the two short stories you will realize it is more like "Hugh Mistake".

    2. Re:Hugh Awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?

      Hugh Jass.

    3. Re:Hugh Awards? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      If it involves a lot of money, it sounds like a Hugh Grant.

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    4. Re:Hugh Awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?
      > Hugh Jass.

      Hugh G. Rection

    5. Re:Hugh Awards? by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?

      Obviously, Hugh Mungus...

    6. Re:Hugh Awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Hugh Jackman? Hugh Laurie? Hugh Grant?

      Hugh Mongous

    7. Re:Hugh Awards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor poor little sad puppy faggot.

    8. Re:Hugh Awards? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I'm just kidding. I am sure AmiMojo was interested in the topic because of the literature.

  6. Broken Earth Trilogy by Camembert · · Score: 3, Informative

    This trilogy is indeed impressive and highly original, I can see how it got these awards.
    Well I will be honest, I enjoyed the first two volumes and have only recently started the concluding book that won this yearâ(TM)s award, though I expect it to be on the same high level.
    I actually thought that fantasy was not for me, and only started these books due to the recommendation of a friend whose taste is aligned to me, and it was a discovery.
    Volume 1 has superb alterning stoylines that come terrifically well together. It is fantasy but not traditional. I prefer not to spoil anything.

    1. Re:Broken Earth Trilogy by hey! · · Score: 2

      Hugo awards tend to favor originality, which of course is important but it's not the only thing.

      If you think about the rules and particular the window of eligibility, voting has to be dominated by people who read a lot of new stuff. The more you read, the more you value something that's a bit different.

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    2. Re:Broken Earth Trilogy by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 1

      I agree. I discovered Broken Earth through the Hugos and absolutely love it! Fresh and original...a welcome change from "standard" scifi.

  7. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These are seem really shitty or at least not interesting at all to me (someone who does like scifi).

    Yes, I did look them over from the links.

    I guess these awards (even when spelled correctly) don't actually mean jack shit.

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hugo's have been bullshit for a while now.

      These days, "Hugo Winning Author" on a book just tells you it's probably garbage.

  8. Wonder Woman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    WW beats out BR 2049? Clearly people have lost sight of what science fiction means. WW is not sci fi.

    1. Re:Wonder Woman? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The Hugos are science fiction and fantasy. I'm reasonably confident in my assertion that Wonder Woman is indeed fantasy.

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    2. Re:Wonder Woman? by the+phantom · · Score: 2

      There is where you are wrong. Wonder Woman is clearly historical fiction, grounded in reality. It is neither science fiction nor fantasy, because everything in that movie is based well documented historical fact. Or are you calling Herodotus a liar?

    3. Re:Wonder Woman? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Wonder Woman is 1950's 'super hero' comix fantasy.

      We've moved so far beyond that crap. But it sells tickets.

    4. Re:Wonder Woman? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Wonder Woman was/is soft bondage fantasy. Seriously, look up the creator. He loved him some golden lasso.

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  9. Read award-winners on line? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    This is Hugh and Series! I'm Super Cereal!

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  10. LOL diversity indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now they are only awarding women with the Hugh award, whatever it is?
    They think that will somehow push readers to read their shitty fan fiction.
    Instead the Hugh award will become irrelevant as people learn that it doesn't mean anything and the books are just as shit with that little label on it.

    1. Re:LOL diversity indeed by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So now they are only awarding women with the Hugh award, whatever it is?

      It's been that way since the SJW's took over the Hugos and most of the big publications (like Asimov's Science Fiction) years ago. It's a warning of what can happen if you let the SJW cancer get even a foothold in your hobby. White males need not apply.

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    2. Re:LOL diversity indeed by thesupraman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sexist much?

      Or do you really believe that? In which case I can only assume that upper management of large businesses is also a pure meritocracy, and women are just not doing well at it at present?

      It would be easier to defend that position than yours... (and I dont agree with either FWIW)

    3. Re:LOL diversity indeed by jcr · · Score: 1

      The Hugo's are a meritocracy.

      Not lately, they're not. That's why the Sad Puppies came into being.

      -jcr

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  11. Hugo award is worthless by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Hugo Award become irrelevant a few years ago when they chose to put virtue signaling above the quality of the stories.

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    1. Re: Hugo award is worthless by Camembert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you actually READ the winning trilogy?

    2. Re: Hugo award is worthless by rossz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, but I've read enough of the winning works in the past to know that the award has lost its influence on my reading habits. For example, Scalzi's "Redshirts" was mildly amusing, but was in no way deserving of best novel. It was, at best, good fan fiction.

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    3. Re:Hugo award is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hugo award organizers didn't change a single rule, what did they signal by doing fuck all except what they always did? Hugo award attendees could be said to have value signalled I guess, but having read a couple puppy submissions I think they valued not giving awards to crap.

    4. Re:Hugo award is worthless by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Zak's award seems more like pity. The director saved the movie, he can't write for shit and everything else he has done was either a flop or so-bad-it's-good.

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    5. Re:Hugo award is worthless by SuilAmhain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh Christ this. That N.K. Jemisin book reads like a high school junior English essay. It's absolutely awful.

      Rewind to 2016: If Seveneves, or Ancillary Mercy could not beat that author in 2016 there is something right wrong.

      I tried Hugo awards finalists for the final time in 2017.
      - Becky Chambers, reads like a teenage diary.
      - N.K. Jemisin still reads like a high school junior English essay.
      - The Liu books are pure waffle.

      WTF is wrong with these aware ceremonies?

    6. Re: Hugo award is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The winning trilogy won because the author focused the entire series on how best to spout the traditional SJW ecowarrior meme of equating the Earth to a living being that needs to be protected. She also managed to incorporate two highly popular SJW elements: a distopian society driven by ecological chaos and a caste system. Gag.

    7. Re:Hugo award is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The winners will live on for a long time as unique and well-told works of fantastical fiction, but your opinion is weak and pithy, a small, thin whine on the wind, fleeting and meaningless.

    8. Re: Hugo award is worthless by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did.

      It was a little painful, however I felt it deserved that much since I strongly felt it was not chosen on merit. I have certainly read worse.
      As fiction it is average - very politically correct in certain circles, very gaia-eco, a VERY thin wrapping of 'science' which seems mostly to be added after the fact where complains about previous books are 'fixed' in later ones.

      As SCIENCE fiction it is very very weak, it does little outside 'we are in the future' 'I say this is so, so it is' and 'I am not calling this magic, but really we all know it is'.

      The storylines are weak, the characters are FAR too black and white, and the plot twists/surprises seem far too scheduled/engineered.

      The fact that all three won the top award, consecutively, is a huge insult to other current writers, sadly.

      But I did read them, they were 'average', with that being possibly a little kind to them.

    9. Re:Hugo award is worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like your observation (and indeed my observation of your observation).

      But it is unlikely "the winners will live on for a long time as unique and well-told works of fantastical fiction". They, like most winners of the Hugo award will also be forgotten, while tastes and standards will change.

    10. Re:Hugo award is worthless by Megol · · Score: 1

      Don't know what's wrong but I'm impressed AI progressed so much even for ceremonies.

  12. Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how zoë quinn almost won a hugo for her autobiography.
    Crash Override: How Gamergate (Nearly) Destroyed My Life, and How We Can Win the Fight Against Online Hate, by Zoë Quinn
    What a stupid title. If the writing is anything like that, it makes me wonder how it even got on the nomination list.

    1. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      makes me wonder how it even got on the nomination list.

      No it doesn't. We all know full well why: the Hugo awards are nothing but a virtue signalling circlejerk.

    2. Re:Zoe quinn by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Troll

      Hugo awards are nothing but a virtue signalling circlejerk

      Speaking of circle jerks, it seems to have come full circle with you coming on slashdot to virtue signal about how much you despise virtue signalling.

      Fap fap 2 pi

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    3. Re:Zoe quinn by sphealey · · Score: 2

      Well done sir.

    4. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no u the circlejerk!

    5. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bwahahaha! Which action you just repeated.

    6. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >AC
      >virtue signal

      I'm sure your comparison made sense somehow. A publicized event (we are inside a headline about it) has comparable visibility and optics incentives.

      Sorry, it seems you haven't defused the label's momentum at all.

    7. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of disliking virtue signalling is not virtue signalling.

      The same as not being tolerant of bigots is not bigotry.

    8. Re:Zoe quinn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually not being tolerant of bigots is biggoted. That's what bigot means: "a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions."

  13. Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by StevenSheeves · · Score: 1, Informative

    The Hugo winners from the 1950s until a few years ago when SJWs hijacked the award were a good way of expanding your reading list. There definitely were a number of duds and books that did not hold up over the years. But overall the winners were quite worth of the praise even if it reflected popular consensus.

    With the rise of every reader now being able to voice their opinions to the entire science fiction reading world the relevance of awards is greatly diminished.

    In 2018 a Hugo Award is little more than the equivalent of the infamous Twitter Blue Checkmark that just signifies nothing more than your book has the right politics by the toxic SJW mobs.

    1. Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by Camembert · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have you actually READ the winning trilogy? I read lots of SF and found it remarkably well crafted.

    2. Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      The Hugos used to be pretty useful to pick out things I would like. Now they are a better indicator of things I won't. I purchase and read accordingly.

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    3. Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: the guys complaining about "SJW's" are just bitter because the market for science fiction has expanded waay beyond the "space marine" trope they love. The Hugo's are a meritocracy driven by the free market which now includes huge numbers of people for whom homoerotic tales of jacked up men in tights just doesn't cut it any more.

    4. Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That question has been answered multiple times already. You seem to be the only one who enjoyed them.

    5. Re: Hugo Award == Twitter Blue Checkmark by zugmeister · · Score: 1

      ...people for whom homoerotic tales of jacked up men in tights just doesn't cut it any more.

      But... but... I LIKE to watch movies about gladiators!

  14. Hugos Aren't What They Used To Be by kenwd0elq · · Score: 0

    The Hugo Awards are chosen not by the fans, but by the "Secret Masters of Fandom", and selected exclusively from left-wing sources. Larry Correia's "Sad Puppies" campaigns of the last few years has revealed this much, if nothing else.

    1. Re:Hugos Aren't What They Used To Be by whitroth · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO!!!

      We rolled up our Hugo ballots and whacked Vox and all his puppies on their noses. They were a bunch of obnoxious idiots who didn't actually care about sf, or fandom.

      I'd say you fit in that category, too.

  15. Wallabagged them for later. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wallabagged them for later. Thanks.

  16. Take That Alt-Right Manbabies! by StevenSheeves · · Score: 0

    Way to go Camembert!

    Keep spamming posts! You are really showing those alt-right manbabies who are just threatened by strong womyn.

  17. compulsory wikipedia marker by fche · · Score: 1

    "The Hugo award, voted on by members of the fan community, is considered [by whom] the highest honour for science fiction and fantasy literature"

    1. Re: compulsory wikipedia marker by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      The Hugos up to the mid nineties were a pretty good indicator of quality. The fall in quality vastly accelerated around 2008ish. The final nail in the coffin was when a mediocre piece of fanfic won best novel in 2013.

    2. Re:compulsory wikipedia marker by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      "[by whom]"

      By those who want the award to be considered like that.

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  19. Hugo Award == Approved by the Evil Librarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are the symptoms of the problem but not the cause. What really happened is that some time in the past few years, the Hugo awards were taken over by the Evil Librarians who secretly rule the world and people's attitudes and lives through the material they read. Now instead of being fun to read, a Hugo award winner has to be the kind of drivel you might be assigned to read in a grade school class: something considered "important," or "socially conscious," or "forward looking." The Evil Librarians have won!

    1. Re: Hugo Award == Approved by the Evil Librarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would...read a story or two about this.

  20. Wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFA has nothing to do with bored huge fat whores!

  21. Avoid the winners. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only anti-whites are allowed to win these awards. Prove me wrong.

  22. Way to go Suzanne! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took a bit to be sure, but once I saw the picture, I recognized the Suzanne Palmer I worked with in 2000 and 2001, at a now defunct core internet router company. At the time she was doing a course on writing a book in one month. Looks like it paid off.

  23. I have no side here by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sad puppies , sjw, dragon, happy puppies whatever. I am an avid reader of sf, as in at my peak I was reading 8 books a week, now less due to work/friends. I only care whether the story is good. *some* of the Hugo from 2017 or 2018 I find so bad as to wonder why they were nominated. That bot story for example I rolled my eye.

    Nomination should never be based on race,skin, gender but on SF quality of writing skills and on story content quality mostly. If that means no white man or no non white women win, so be it. It isn't about gender/race author equality but all about SF quality. And while some Hugo were in the last year of high quality, many were so poor like that bot story that I wondered WHY the fuck they were nominated.

    No it could be a misguided attempt at equality outcome as some pretend, or it could be there were no author worth nominating, or simply that the Hugo are being mismanaged. Whichever , Hugo are simply not a good indicator of SF in the last years.

    An alternative explanation by the way is that "us" of the older generation expect some type of content, and the hugo is geared toward a newer generation expecting other type of content. If that's the case, in a few year/a decade SF is going to suck and blow ass.

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  24. Stupid american politics is ruining everything by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

    Fuck your SJWs and your alt rights and your stupid opinions which reduce any meaningful discussion into a stupid partisan argument.

    1. Re:Stupid american politics is ruining everything by Megol · · Score: 1

      Please consider this a virtual Insightful++.

  25. Re:BAN BUMP STOCKS YOU SJW DUMBASS NIGGER... apk by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Don't blame me. I sold all of my bump stocks the Monday after Mandalay Bay. But because of my age I insisted on keeping my bump bonds.

  26. to explore brave new worlds, but uh...whites only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New experiences and perspectives are what the genre's all about, so it's really depressing to see how resistant a lot of avowed sci-fi fans are to experience some difference in the actual human perspective behind the fiction.

    Jemisin's books are good. They weren't entirely my cup of tea in some ways but not every book has to be exactly for me. I recognize that they were creative, well-written, and explored interesting concepts from angles I hadn't thought of before. Worthy of a Hugo for sure.

    The three-in-a-row? Seemed a little much, but at the same time, if there was some small element of "hey, the author is a black woman" thrown into the reasoning process, so be it. For more than half of the Hugo's history, whether subconsciously or otherwise, I feel pretty sure there was at least a small element of "hey, the author is a white guy, like me and every one else handing out the awards." I'd love for everything to be perfectly objective too, but don't bullshit yourself that it ever will be or could be with humans at the wheel. The best we can hope to do is average our biases out over time.

    Overall, if this sort of thing draws a more diverse set of people into the field of sci-fi/fantasy that's worth the small bias. Which again, was gonna be there anyway in one flavor or another. The best qualities of the genre involve exploring new concepts, and while part of that is hard science or exploring crazy made-up worlds and technologies or whatever else, one quality that is rare but that I've found very fascinating is when you can tell the author's experiences and worldview are significantly different than yours. Cixin Liu's work is a great example. The purely science-fictional elements of his stories are great, but seeing them drawing from a purely Chinese background and experience added a fascinating extra layer.

    Jemisin's books have that same layer for me and I want more good non-white non-male authored books. And I am a white male. So stop crying that every god damn thing that doesn't fit your narrow worldview, taste, whatever, is a dire conspiracy. Has there ever been a point in recent history where the people bitching about how awful it is that is being treated too well ever ended up looking like anything but miserable pricks?

  27. Re:to explore brave new worlds, but uh...whites on by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Don't you just adore idiots who want to read about aliens... but can't get past heroes who aren't wASPs, or stories written by folks who aren't libertarian idiots (but I repeat myself) who are WASPs.

    Actually, I should ask Eric (that's ESR, to them, and a very old aquaintance) his opinion of the winners.....