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China Has Withheld Samples of a Dangerous Flu Virus (nytimes.com)
For over a year, the Chinese government has withheld lab samples of a rapidly evolving influenza virus from the United States -- specimens needed to develop vaccines and treatments, according to federal health officials, The New York Times reports. From the story: Despite persistent requests from government officials and research institutions, China has not provided samples of the dangerous virus, a type of bird flu called H7N9 [Editor's note: the link maybe paywalled; alternative source]. In the past, such exchanges have been mostly routine under rules established by the World Health Organization. Now, as the United States and China spar over trade, some scientists worry that the vital exchange of medical supplies and information could slow, hampering preparedness for the next biological threat. The scenario is "unlike shortages in aluminum and soybeans," said Dr. Michael Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard Medical School. "Jeopardizing U.S. access to foreign pathogens and therapies to counter them undermines our nation's ability to protect against infections which can spread globally within days." Experts concur that the world's next global pandemic will likely come from a repeat offender: the flu. The H7N9 virus is one candidate.
Got to admit.... didn't see that one coming. Bravo, well played.
Nothing to worry about, with good nutrition the average American will survive.
Oh, don't be so dramatic. Sure, China won't share the specimens with us, but all we have to do is get one of our friends to ask for it....
Oh, wait.
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So, China are being assholes (again) and it's Trump's fault.
The PRC has never "played well with others" when it comes to infectious diseases, their first instinct is to claim nothing is happening, see SARS, they exclude the ROC (Taiwan) from as much of the international health network as they can, it's what you expect from a government were politics trumps (heh) everything else, especially including human lives. They don't much care if they kill their own Han Chinese by the tens of millions, why would even they care about foreign devils?
If, as you claim, they're doing this to spite Trump, that just further proves that they always put politics ahead of human lives.
The US can buy China made vaccins. For the right price of course...
That's ok, we'll just "quarantine" chinese visitors for several weeks in the hold of a ship like they do to our grain shipments. Then we'll turn them away because they are rotten and stinky.
Just like his great negotiating skills have gotten Affordable Healthcare repealed, even with a majority in both the House and Senate.
And The Wall.
ayup.
The line "For over a year, the Chinese government has withheld lab samples of a rapidly evolving influenza virus from the United States" says the virus comes from the United States. What they mean is "For over a year, the Chinese government has withheld from the United States lab samples of a rapidly evolving influenza virus."
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
For over a year, the Chinese government has withheld lab samples...Now, as the United States and China spar over trade, some scientists worry that the vital exchange of medical supplies and information could slow... infections which can spread globally within days...Experts concur that the world's next global pandemic will likely come from a repeat offender: the flu.
See that intentional equivocation and correlation structure? Think of news like this as code to understand it.
The trade issues are short months old and this has been going on for over a year. The linking to a potential global pandemic within days. Classic salesmanship tactic of time pressure. Clearly intended writing to give the impression of something without directly saying it. So much bullshit hidden in the structure. So much propaganda.
Don't fall for propaganda. Don't post it here on slashdot.
Sounds like bio warfare to me, should sanction China,
If they won't share samples of infectious diseases than no Chinese nationals should be admitted to the US
And they routinely spread and create diseases to the public. See HIV for an easy example of a lab created virus distributed by the CDC.
The US can't be trusted right now due to the toddlers who are currently running the show
Exactly this ... the US is pissing off friends and allies all over the place. And while most of them probably wouldn't withhold medical stuff, America has fewer friends these days they can count on ... because those friends are tired of being blamed for everything by the Cheeto in Chief.
I'm not actually surprised that China has said "fuck you" and decided not to play nicely.
I won't be surprised if other countries decide similar things.
This is one of those "be careful what you wish for" things. Trump is doing more damage to international relationships than will be easily remedied, so if suddenly other countries are a whole lot less enthusiastic about what the US wants, then we'll just get another bullshit cycle of Trump blaming everyone else.
At some point, if the diplomatic equivalent of "bummer dude, not my problem" happens, you'll know who to blame.
Ethan Hunt could easily retrieve some Petri dishes. Piece of cake.
Unless the birds having the virus only live in China, the US virus hunters should have found this virus already.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
What we need is more walls to keep the birds from flying into this country and spreading flu.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Can we please call a spade a spade here and just lay it out there that China has a radically advanced WMD program that includes genetically-engineered bioweapons?
Lets be clear, the idea that this source is not "authorized" to talk to the New York Times is questionable. It is far more likely the source doesn't want to make it easy to identify their ulterior motives in approaching the New York Times to do a story about it.
Ha, Ha!!
We should simply eliminate the involved Chinese officials.
If this turns out to be the next break out super-flu like the 1918 variety, every egg laying chicken in the world will be conscripted by every company in the world that can make flu vaccines so we maybe keep the death toll in the mere 100s of millions.
In the meanwhile, it's vital that the few research labs capable of mutating raw flu strains into ones that express the vital proteins while growing well in egg membranes get going. Especially since this is particularly difficult with avian flu strains, they're much more vicious towards chicken eggs.
""Jeopardizing U.S. access to foreign pathogens and therapies to counter them undermines our nation's ability to protect against infections which can spread globally within days.""
Most countries have to rely on countries with more advanced medical industries. Why would China share valuable knowledge about a virus when it can develop a vaccine itself? If an American pharmaceutical company developed a vaccine based on the samples would everyone in the world be provided the ability to simply copy it free of charge?
They were afraid us westerners would make 'loads of money' from selling vaccines to them!
like a few years ago, which was nowhere as fatal as the common flu each year, and then cash in literally billions from scaring people into vaccinating.
China is more responsible, they shouldn't let the U.S. have more dangerous viruses than they already are keeping.
Which dumb fuck modded this up? This is likely one of the many paid Chinese trolls here (Angel'o'sphere, CaffeinatedBacon/CrimsonTsunami, etc).
If any of you had real English comprehension, you would realize that China has been withholding H7N9 from the rests of the world (including Europe,Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc), not just America. It is America that is carping about it. And it was discovered more than 5 years ago, which is long before Trump started his fit.
your winnng trump ....only 349999999 left on the wall
Nuke em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
Yea, and where I live flushots are free for elderly and the young.
This is why we should be investing more in modernizing flu vaccine manufacturing. If the next super flu is also highly infectious to chickens, they will be culled and burned.
This sounds like a job for James Bond.
#DeleteChrome
The PRC has never "played well with others" when it comes to infectious diseases, their first instinct is to claim nothing is happening, see SARS, they exclude the ROC (Taiwan) from as much of the international health network as they can, it's what you expect from a government were politics trumps (heh) everything else, especially including human lives. They don't much care if they kill their own Han Chinese by the tens of millions, why would even they care about foreign devils?
If, as you claim, they're doing this to spite Trump, that just further proves that they always put politics ahead of human lives.
If China asked the US for a sample of an infectious disease, would the US give it to China?
The PRC has never "played well with others" when it comes to infectious diseases, their first instinct is to claim nothing is happening, see SARS, they exclude the ROC (Taiwan) from as much of the international health network as they can, it's what you expect from a government were politics trumps (heh) everything else, especially including human lives. They don't much care if they kill their own Han Chinese by the tens of millions, why would even they care about foreign devils?
If, as you claim, they're doing this to spite Trump, that just further proves that they always put politics ahead of human lives.
Although it is true that the PRC has never really played nice with others (I do remember the SARS kerfuffle), it does not refute the fact that this ridiculous trade war is making a bad situation worse.
1. China doesn't want us to have the virus because, like the last round of bird flu, it is so virulent towards Asian people, China doesn't want the U.S. to have the virus as a potential bio-weapon against China.
2. China doesn't want us to have the virus because, China wants to use it as a bio-weapon and doesn't want us to have an antidote.
it's the year of the Twelve monkeys
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
It isn't surprising China wants to keep a lid on it. For example, I managed to get SARS, directly from Toronto about 15 years ago. No fun (as I thought I had a flu, but a flu doesn't cause 2-3 weeks of constant coughing), and nobody talked about it. I wouldn't be surprised if another pandemic is on its way from the Middle Kingdom, and China is in a panic trying to stop it before the extent gets really known.
With all the interest in making money, where even organizations like the WHO and CDC are considered cost centers, so people believe they should be defunded or dissolved, it is no wonder why a simple virus hits a high populated area, mutates, and becomes a pandemic, when it could have been stopped early on, if the local government actually gave a shit. This isn't just China... it is a miracle Ebola didn't spread in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised that China hopes this mutates (or perhaps some CRISPR lab might help it along) into a true people-eating bug. Less population helps them out by cutting down the need for resources, especially in rural areas, and does a good job achieving military objectives against other countries China doesn't like.)
They don't much care if they kill their own Han Chinese by the tens of millions, why would even they care about foreign devils?
My theory is this - China knows that if enough of their own population falls, they could be left vulnerable to invasion for regime change via outside sources. So if a pandemic takes them down, it's to their benefit the rest of the world become too debilitated to attempt such a move on China.
MAD = Mutually Assured Death
Life is not for the lazy.
Hard for Europe to manufacture a vaccine when they do not have a sample of it either.
And wonderful attitude of yours. Great to see that you love killing ppl.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
BTW, most of the R&D done in clean energy comes from America.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
That's what you get if you don't play nice. Ahwel you can thank Trump for that with his stupid decisions.
But there is no direct evidence linking China's actions with the trade dispute.
Do you have any reason to believe we wouldn't?
My Google and Bing fu wasn't good enough to find anything about this, but I can't recall ever hearing of such a case, we can be sure the usual suspects would scream about it, and there's also the minor detail that mainland China has been one of the biggest sources for novel diseases. Which has been true for a very long time, e.g. the Black Death is thought to have come from China.
He who sows the wind, reaps the whirlwind.
Citation needed, seeing as how per the report the withholding started before the trade war. If they've been doing it for 5 years as others have claimed, you ought to be blaming Obama for starting it.
That is stupid. When the Chinese government falls it will be to a Chinese who becomes popular by blaming the existing Chinese government for it's failures, real or otherwise.
#butheremails
The USA seems to be ripping up treaties and trade deals too. The USA is hardly to be trusted either.
It's also a very slow process, and each egg produces at most 3 doses. I was appalled with 2 'p's when the FDA tried to deny Protein Sciences a licence with the excuse the old methods were good enough. They use modern biotech, splicing the relevant antigen coding DNA into ... whatever, insect? cells that grow well in bioreactors to quickly mass produce the antigens, as I recall something like 100,000 doses in each run. Something like what they're doing would be the only real hope if we were facing a true death plague.
Although it is true that the PRC has never really played nice with others (I do remember the SARS kerfuffle), it does not refute the fact that this ridiculous trade war is making a bad situation worse.
The trade war is ridiculous. We should try to convince people that it is ridiculous. If you blame things on the trade war which started decades before the trade war, people not already on your side will conclude that you are unreasonable. Don't cry "trade war" unless you can show a relationship, unless you want people to conclude the trade war is harmless.
yeah, what Trump is doing leaves a lot to be desired. The same is true of what W did.
Lately, it seems like AMerica is becoming like China.
However, if you are talking about trade deals, other than NAFTA, America has not broke any. Everything that Trump has done has not been constrained by treaties. Even with WTO, it has said that if there is more than a 10% difference in trade, that the disadvantaged nation can impose tariffs.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
This is why we should be investing more in modernizing flu vaccine manufacturing. If the next super flu is also highly infectious to chickens, they will be culled and burned.
We already have that.... One of them is a recombinant protein-based technique approved in 2013. As I understand it, the protein-based techniques are supposed to create a more consistent vaccine batch than eggs (due to the intermingling of egg DNA). Plus, some people are allergic to chicken eggs and are unable to take the flue vaccine created using the egg based techniques.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protec...
Next: flu will be shipped in unmarked containers to our shores from china.
( bug = Asian longhorned beetle )
It is almost like someone treated them with disrespect and they are responding in kind.
Canadian here, America can expect a LOT more of this going forward.
Thank your leader appropriately.
For the PRC and our betters in the US, this has nothing to do with science, medicine, avoiding the possible deaths of 100s of millions to billions of lives, etc., the alpha and omega is politics. The usual stuff the PRC has always done with infectious diseases like SARS, and TDS here.
who we're told will "fill the void in global leadership left by the United States". FFS.
Do you think the US would be willing to provide a sample?
...you're suggesting that perhaps China is a SHITTY international actor, whose interests lie solely with its own people and geopolitical goals? /shock.
For all of you who think Pax Americana has been odious and oppressive, brace yourselves. You haven't the faintest idea what it's going to be like with a TRULY racist, TRULY self-interested, TRULY ethnocentric hegemon.
-Styopa
Replying to undo broken moderation. I selected "insightful" but it chose "redundant."
Maybe they should ask for samples of smallpox.
If US pharma ends up charging them more than they can afford while the European labs develop the field tests for half the price and end up manufacturing in China to boot?
Go suck a melon America. China doesn't owe you a living you bunch of free-loaders. Get off your iPhone and TV addictions and do something productive with your time like figuring out clean green energy or something you fat bastards.
Yours,
The rest of the world; Trump edition.
The US invents half the shit, including medicines, invented every year. ROW needs to be more like us, not the other way around.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Deaths are linked to low weight (not enough fat to survive periods where it's a struggle to keep food down, and low energy to power the immune system) and other modern comforts and treatments.
This was a problem for everyone 100 years ago, and rural Asian (and other) areas today. It would be in China's interest to let the US or other countries develop a vaccine as they stand to lose many, many people.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
You don't need to guard against a global pandemic when the rest of the world is restricted from entering your country.
Dissallow Chinese nationals from entering your country and prevent any travel to / from Mainland China until they decide to share their samples.
Until they provide said samples, their citizens ( and any tourists ) are basically transmission vectors.
TBH, scientific research that benefits the species as a whole really should play on a different playground than Politics and petty bickering.
Whoa, I sincerely hope you're correct, and the cytokine storm hypothesis for the lethality of the 1918 pandemic is wrong. Erk, assuming the accounts I've read are correct, how does this explain the 1918 strain preferentially killing the younger? Well, for that, there's the hypothesis that the older set had already survived a strain somewhat close to the 1918 one. And maybe the body weight one fits into it.
Experts say this is a very hard field, a common maxim is, "If you've seen one flu pandemic, you've seen one flu pandemic."
As for the PRC, and North Asian counties in general like Japan, the authorities would rather have millions of their own people die than to lose face. (For the latter country, see WWII, and at smaller scales the responses to the Kobe earthquake and JAL Flight 123.)
Heh, I don't think Russia or the US would cough those up, certainly not without a very good reason. But I don't think you really need them, the DNA has been sequenced and published (and that was controversial of course), it's thought to be not terribly hard to recreate from that, certainly for a reasonably advanced nation state. One reason after 9/11 we got ourselves back into position to inoculate every one in the country if it broke out.
China sees what is happening in Syria, how that country is being dismantled by US/UK/FR/saudi forces on zionist command and they don't want to meet the same fate. Why give a bio-weapon to your enemy? China is not currently moving, but if Russia becomes spread too thin and gives up on Syria, they may move in alongside Iran to save Damascus.
Why do they want another dangerous virus?
Is there any truth to this, is there any verifiably third party corroborating evidence for this?
It's also a very slow process, and each egg produces at most 3 doses. I was appalled with 2 'p's when the FDA tried to deny Protein Sciences a licence with the excuse the old methods were good enough. They use modern biotech, splicing the relevant antigen coding DNA into ... whatever, insect? cells that grow well in bioreactors to quickly mass produce the antigens, as I recall something like 100,000 doses in each run. Something like what they're doing would be the only real hope if we were facing a true death plague.
The FDA is a scam and everyone knows it. It's job is to protect their own jobs first, big pharmas profits second, and Americans a distant third. If they cared about helping Americans we would be able to buy drugs from Canada still.
It's definitely Trump's fault. Not all the spying, black-ops / covert wars etc since the beginning of time.
Requiem for the American Dream
So, you would re-elect 0bama and let him go around the world bowing to everybody and apologizing for the United States?
No thank you. I'd rather be hated and feared than run over. Our "friends" have been taking advantage of us for decades.
Don't go there man Trump Derangement Syndrome knows no limits.
If that was allowed, then US drug companies would stop giving Canada's nationalized healthcare system discounts, they can well afford to lose whatever business that would cost for a population of 37 million in favor of the 335 million in the US. Especially seeing as how they and we would like to see them continuing to do drug R&D, which the US market supports since all these other wonderful government single payer systems demand prices just above the cost of goods.
Yeah, the Americans and the Chinese. Because the equivalent of "bummer dude, not my problem" in this case is an avoidable mass casualty event caused by a virus that doesn't give a fuck about international relations or borders. Guess what? The deaths may not even happen in either of the feuding parties. It may get some good genes and spread to an unrelated third party to cause it's mayhem. Probably somewhere in Africa sadly.
So thanks to two dick countries we can have plenty of people die needlessly, and your reaction to it is: "Who giss a fuk?" Wonderful.
But the problem 100% is with China for this shitty move. Look at USSR USA cooperation in space.
China is worse than Trump
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
China is planning its next world war. Get ready people... you have been warned.
Evidently you missed the part about China withholding the medical data for over a year. A year ago the US-China relationship was no better or worse than when Obama left office.
And honestly the US has never had "friends" or even worthwhile allies. All of these friends expect trade agreement that require the US to make all the sacrifices. Why does Germany get to impose a 6% import tariff on US automobiles but the US is only allowed to impose 4% on German imports? Why does the Canadian government get to subsidize their lumber and dairy industries to set prices and the US cannot take them to the WTO for violating the rules against using the government subsidizing their main industries and then slapping on tariffs for any exports to the US? Why does China negotiate trade agreements and blatantly violate currency manipulation statutes along with a high level of government subsidizes to create artificially low export prices?
Trump didn't damage international relationships he has just pointed out how the US has gotten screwed over the years. All the countries complaining about tariffs are not doing so because they think the agreements are fair the are complaining because Trump has publicized the one sided agreements.
Every country in the world uses the US as their domestic boogeyman every time they run into problems. "It's not our fault we can't run our country it is the US's fault". The international community expects the US to deal with every problem in the world and then they have the gall to complain about how the US goes about trying to solve the problems. The US tried diplomacy and the world complains. The US tries military solutions and the same people complain about that. The Iranian nuclear deal showered benefits on all the players except for the US. Europe, Russia, and China received the go ahead to do business with Iran resulting in windfalls for all. Iran got all the sanctions lifted and the return of their seized assets. The US received nothing but a pinky promise that Iran would stop building nuclear weapons. And Iran has just postponed their nuclear warhead program and put their resources into their ballistic missile program so they will have a delivery mechanism once the restart their nuclear program.
So why should the US not use it's considerable power to look out for number one? And people still do not realize that the US has not been losing it's power or influence it just stopped using the power it has.
And I am not a Trump supporter. However, the world has needed a reality check when it comes US-International relationships. Trump is certainly not a politician but he has said things that many of his predecessors wanted to say. But as bad as Trump is he still beat all of his Republican and Democratic challengers to gain the WH. That says more about his adversaries than it does about Trump. If Trump is so bad how bad did Clinton have to be to lose to him? She had the money, press, and seasoned diplomatic experience and she lost.
Or, maybe we could put all of those research grants, and patents they jack prices up for to better use. Instead of allowing a bunch of selfish assholes to demand tribute from the sick.
Healthcare can do without the profit motive, it will literally never run out of sick people to treat otherwise.
Canada has one of the highest drug costs in the world, so it isn't like we get much of a discount. The way things are going, we'll be back to pre-NAFTA and manufacturing our own drugs. That will get the pharmaceutical companies attention, which will turn on Trump. Right now they're trying to do the TPP bullshit, but with NAFTA instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Except that Obama caused this in 2013.
claim with no evidence - treaties
claim with no evidence - biological weapon
verdict - anti-China, mostly troll
Yeah, let's kill the Golden Goose, that trick always works!
Seriously, show us on the doll where the capitalist touched you, for you'd rather have millions of people die year in, year out, until, maybe, some day, Western Civilization manages to reappear, that let any one of them "demand tribute from the sick".
You specifically wish me dead, for without these vile profiteers spending billions and billions on drug research and development I'd be dead decades ago, or probably before starting grade school, pretty sure I was prescribed antibiotics for my one bought with pneumonia after playing around in the dirt too energetically. Hmmm, and my father as well, from his current problem, or back around 1950 plus or minus when he was injected every 4 hours with what had to be procaine penicillin to save him from pneumonia. Probably quite a few people you know. And I hope you've never been prescribed an antibiotic for an infection that would have otherwise killed you.
You socialists killed way more than 100 million people in the 20th Century, will you ever be satisfied?
The vast majority of the Chinese aren't that informed outside of official new (CCP propaganda). If you live in a major Chinese city and work among other wealthy progressive Chinese, than I hate to tell you but your myopic view is in the minority. Unfortunately.
Not too many chickens fly from China to Mainland America.
According to TFA:
At least four research institutions have relied upon... H7N9 samples from cases in Taiwan and Hong Kong.
If the chickens flew to Taiwan, they surely made it to Korea and Japan.
I understand Xi, but what's the deal with Moon and Abe withholding samples?
That said, Hong Kong going rogue against Beijing is actually the bigger story.
Umm ... did we witness the same Obama?
Ah, there we have it ... the justification of tyrants. So you think America should be feared? By it's allies? To what end?
God you people are fucking delusional if you believe that shit.
Son, you need some serious help ... you seem to think America needs be feared by its allies, and that the allies aren't really allies. So, I assume the enemies aren't really enemies and should not fear America? Maybe because America has plans to be just like her notional enemies, and nothing at all like her notional friends?
That would certainly explain why Trump is sucking up to dictators, and acting like an asshole and pissing off friends.
When America figures out who its friends are, and who has been taking advantage of whom ... it might be a bit of a shock to realize there are no more friends left.
America has spent the last 7 decades trying to stack the deck to look out for her interests. And in very short order, they've suddenly decided they don't need any friends.
Good luck with that, I look forward to the day that your friends turn their backs on you.
.... what has this site come to?
claim with no evidence - spreading rapidly
claim with no evidence / lie - main flu virus
claim with no evidence - farmers,chickens, high deathrate
claim with not evidence - biological warefare
claim with no evidence - profiting from bio warfare
verdict - anti-China troll
logic - never shared but wasn't an issue, why the need to share 5 years ago or last year
claim with no evidence - leaking info
verdict - illogical, slight troll
claim with no evidence / lie - always been in china
claim with no evidence - leaks
verdict - anti-China fear mongering
Breaking the largest trade block in the world by breaking treaties (as if Canada is a security threat) is something especially when the guy breaking them doesn't even know anything. He actually thinks Mexico is the US's largest trade partner and doesn't consider the huge advantage the US has with services negating the couple of percent advantage Canada has in material goods currently.
There's also the softwood treaty that America breaks regularly, driving up housing costs for Americans.
And then there is bringing the worst part of the TPP under NAFTA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
personal attack - don't have a clue
lie - they did have a clue
claim with no evidence - 60-70% 30%, all numbers basically
logic - spread it fast hard to transfer to humans
moving goalposts - doing harm / useful as weapons without modifying
verdict - didn't understand the post he replied to, troll
claim with no evidence - information leaks
lie - started human to human
lie - CDC isn't screaming
claim with no evidence - begging for samples
verdict - usual lies and unsubstantiated claims
The USA has not friends, at least in the current US diplomatic climate, only frenemies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and it will abuse any relationship for practically any reason, ego, greed, domination, have to repeat that one cause they said it out aloud, 'DOMINATION', yeah, friends don't dominate friends because we they do, they ain't friends and never have been.
The US lies so much, that well, people have stopped paying attention and working to reduce interaction to only when they have to. It's like over there, it's rotting under the weight of it's own corruption, just humour it, prop it up a little, so that it implodes gracefully, rather than explodes in conflict either internal or external.
If the US government asks nicely, I am sure the government of China will hand over information this time and if the US government asks nicely next time etc. no more worthless treaties with the US, they break them anyhow. Quite simply the US has become to chaotic for anything other than relations at a polite polite distance, any plots and schemes of impact thwarted as much as possible, a propped up a little so the collapse is more subdued.
The US has become the drug addled, brain damaged prize fighter, to dumb to quit and only brain damage feeds the desire to fight and lose, again and again and again and the drugs, the corruption, creates the illusion of winning. So the rest of the world might well treat the US like an idiot toddler on a sugar rush with loaded gun, let it pretend it owns everything but stop it from breaking things whilst keeping it calm enough to not start pulling the trigger, eventually it will sugar crash on it's own after it's sugar supply has been cut off (that would be the funny money US dollar).
The US blaming everyone else for it's failings but it is all down to failure to prosecute corruption at all levels, that weight of corruption, collapsing the fabric of the US socio-economic system.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
lie - Trump treaties
lie / claim with no evidence - 10% difference
moving goalposts / double standard - there is no 'treaty' to share viruses
verdict - usual WindBourne lies and misdirection
claim with no evidence - no sample
lie / claim with no evidence / personal attack / logic - Europe could develop it cheaper and save more people
verdict - troll
Perhaps Japan can or is sharing some of theirs: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news...
> We invented computers, the internet, electricity, automobiles, healthcare, medicine, space travel, air travel and nuclear weapons.
I am estimating this list to be half untrue and half inaccurate. You are a true American!
claim with no evidence
lie / claim with no evidence - most
verdict - American cheerleader
are you sure? you can't even provide your own actors for films
lie / claim with no evidence - bulk of slavery
verdict - trolling American cheerleading
moving goalposts - outside China / USA
moving goalposts - birds / chickens
verdict - troll
Moron, no country has friends/allies or enemies. Only interests, you twit.
Go read 1984 and think reaaaaaaaaally hard about what Orwell was talking about in this area when he said, We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Since you are obviously an illiterate dumb fuck, it means what I said above about country interests. Not whatever the fuck your high school English teacher told you to think.
Idiot.
Wow! You ranted for half a page without so much as a single data item much less a fact. Complete absolute unbacked raw emotion driven opinion.
Bravo for managing to emote at such length yet say nothing of value! Feeling any better getting all that out?
lie - terrorists care
lie - communists care
lie - not gladly
verdict - usual WindBourne lies
Why do you lie about some 10% rule?
started
most human infections were in people who'd had contact with live poultry or visited markets where the birds were sold.
Why not read the article instead of relying on your 'secret sources'
We need not beg the chicoms for that virus when there is a surefire way to obtain it, for free !
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The United States government should start mass importation of refugees from China
Surely some of those pooe Chinese Refugees would have some of those H7N9 virus inside their body.
Take a page from the Japanese bio-warfare unit 731 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - all CDC needs to do is to dissect those Chinese Refugees alive and to obtain those critically acclaimed virus, absolutely free of charge !!
Please don't give it to Trump.
What was the name of this treaty by the way? Sounds interesting.
Why are you still much dirtier than Europeans then?
Sounds fishy, do you have a link for that claim?
The Steel and aluminium taffifs are against the WTO rules.
What 10% difference bullshit are you talking about Windy? You never found it the last few times you claimed it was a rule.
Countries are competing entities by their nature. Alliances exist but usualy are against some other country.
No one is "friends" with the US.
in Asia - 766 cases were reported, almost all in China
So ask the countries that weren't China for their samples.
How about the rest of your silly claims
It's the main flu virus for the year...and it's 40% fatal. Lets check here . 5-20% of Americans get the flu each year. Lets assume its the same for China. so 5-20% of Chinese people get it and it's 40% fatal. So 2% - 8% of the population, 28 million to 112 million Chinese people, died from flu just this year, and the government kept it a secret?
Half that number again infected who didn't die, many of them travelling the world and you couldn't get a sample?
So are you admitting Taiwan is part of China now...
Or admitting to your lies?
They want an economic advantage? Those, damn dirty Capitalists
If this turns out to be the next break out super-flu...
Wonderfully reasonable argument. The same goes for global warming and solar / nuclear energy development. How did the Trump administration worked those out again? Oh right. He does exactly what China blocks and withholds technology and denies the problem. Hence, the signature "Trump edition".
That's the problem with deteriorating global geopolitics when you have global geopolitical problems threatening your existence.
I don't believe it is Trump causing the friends of the U.S. to think twice, it is the fact that a significant portion of the U.S. electorate support el Presidente Tweetie that has them concerned. They now realize just how stupid the U.S. electorate can be and that problem is not going be fixed soon. There's no fixing stupid (to reuse a Ron White phrase).
More likely than your conspiracy imagination is that the many flus start in S. China where contact between humans and animals is less than sterile...pigs and chickens. The PRC, knowing they have no real legitimacy, is reluctant to allow that sort of bad press come out if they can avoid it. The fact that those diseases could kill millions never enters into the calculation.
And they aren't worried about invasion. Japan cannot and wouldn't want China. Russia cannot even manage their own country. There is no one else. Also, there isn't much China has that anyone wants except access to their domestic markets. And no invasion could supply that.
I know. The treaties he has broken is with our 2 most important trade partners ;Canada and Mexico. And accusations against Canada, a 5 eye partner and one of most trusted allies, just insane.
All I can say is I hope Mueller gets more than enough to put him prison for rest of life.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Hollywood actors is NOT something you want to lay claim to. Perhaps Hollywood is so fucked up BECAUSE it has so many foreign actors from socialist shitholes who bring their broken ideology here?
The US when Obama was president didn't ask nicely from 2013 to 2016? No one else in the world has asked the PRC nicely? The Europeans for example also make flu vaccines, some of their firms are the biggest in the world at doing that, like France's Sanofi. When looking for US seed strain producing labs, I also noted there are 1 or more in the U.K.
And producing seed strains now is one of the most important things that can be done, it normally takes a long time, hybridizing the original strain with ones that grow well in chicken egg membranes so they aren't pathogenic but express the 2 important original strain antigens, which is particularly hard with avian original strains since they tend to attack other bird cells.
Ignore the propaganda slant the NYT put on the issue and focus on a) this being a 2013 strain and b) this being a world wide issue if it breaks out. The PRC is treating this like SARS, it's a political issue were their leaders would rather have 100s of millions to billions of people die than to lose face.
China may hold on to their viruses, but the country is still open to tourism & business. So Americans could simply open hospitals/clinics in selected Chinese cities, and collect virus samples themselves. Or go the tourist route, and collect viruses from people returning from trips.
More work than having the samples handed over, but easy enough. It is not a closed country.
So you don't know that Americans can't actually do that "simply"? It's theoretically possible in "encouraged" sectors, requires a local "partner" for "restricted" sectors, and then there are the "forbidden" ones. With such a transparent motive, I can't imagine it being simple, but a quick check tells us that there are some.
But you're ignoring the whole point of the article, if you wait until it's a generally circulating super-flu epidemic in the PRC, it's too late, it's probably also circulating outside of the mainland, and only weeks from becoming a pandemic.
Even with modern technology it takes time to brew the antigens, purify the mess, bottle and test it, distribute it, a week or more for a vaccine recipient to get protected, etc. etc. etc. And we aren't geared up to do this for 100s of millions to billions of people. To do it with old egg technology ... forget about it, by the time you've developed seed strains, grown it in zillions of eggs (at most, 3 doses per egg), then go through the purification etc. process, most of the world will have been exposed to it, absent catastrophically stringent quarantine measures.
This was a problem for everyone 100 years ago, and rural Asian (and other) areas today. It would be in China's interest to let the US or other countries develop a vaccine as they stand to lose many, many people.
That assumes the Chinese leadership would be upset if hundreds of millions of Chinese died. But the fact is that they don't give one shit about human life in China, that's why you can get the death penalty for cheating on your taxes, and why they harvest the internal organs from those given the death penalty. Those organs are worth quite a bit of money, you see. All they care about is their own enrichment. And China's economic growth is slowing now, which means their middle class will stop growing. Growing economic prosperity is the only thing that's been keeping them from revolution, and now the growth has stopped. The only way to make sure that the living will have jobs is to kill many of them off. Letting a couple hundred million Chinese citizens die is a win-win for Winnie the Pooh.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
For an in-depth read of the potential dangers of an influenza pandemic see: The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History
by John M. Barry. Although medical science has certainly advanced since 1918 it is doubtful that we have overcome many of the social limitations that made the 1918 virus so deadly.
I know. The treaties he has broken are with our 2 most important trade partners ;Canada and Mexico. And accusations against Canada, a 5 eye partner and one of our most trusted allies, is just insane. All I can say is I hope Mueller gets more than enough to put him in prison for the rest of his life.
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Everyone knows there is no honour in "u" WindBourne.
This is a matter of health, stop being sooo petty stupid governement and share...
This is madening...
So, you would re-elect 0bama and let him go around the world bowing to everybody and apologizing for the United States?
No thank you. I'd rather be hated and feared than run over. Our "friends" have been taking advantage of us for decades.
Well,true.. but Trump's pissing off our *enemies* .. the two biggest boys on the block .. And hey.. since 20 years or so ago.. all the commanders in chief have been dangerous loonies.. Trump is just worse. He scares me, and in fact most of the rest of the world. Not a fear based on respect, but "when's he gonna cause WW3"...
You need to get your ego in check.
verdict - Too much gibberish, see if an English version shows up
There's a cost to narcissistic xenophobia. You retard rednecks can get all uppity and pound the table, but it's not free. The rest of the world see and reacts.
Although it is true that the PRC has never really played nice with others (I do remember the SARS kerfuffle), it does not refute the fact that this ridiculous trade war is making a bad situation worse.
That is like you and I getting into a spat about who owes who money, and me pulling out a Glock just daring you to say another word. No, the trade issues should be treated as completely unrelated, and that's all on China.
Just another day in Paradise
39% mortality would be pretty good as a bioweapon. Research it privately in China to stabilize it enough for a dispersal and hold all samples back from the international community so you can utilize it if you ever need to.
I want to know where i can get my H1Z1 sample