Apple Sets New iPhone Event For September 12 (venturebeat.com)

Apple has officially sent out invitations to its latest media event, 'Gather round,' which will be held on September 12, 2018 -- a year to the day after the iPhone 8 and iPhone X were officially revealed. From a report: Following recent tradition, the event will start at 10:00 a.m. Pacific, and will be held in the Steve Jobs Theater at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California. The invite's theme is a pun on the circular shape of the Apple Park building, depicted with a golden tone. In addition to featuring finished versions of iOS 12 and watchOS 5, the event is expected to include the launch of three new iPhones -- possibly named the iPhone Xs (5.8-inch/6.5-inch) and iPhone Xc, reportedly including new gold-toned options -- as well as the new Apple Watch Series 4 with larger screens. A small software update to the Apple TV, tvOS 12, is also likely to arrive at the September event, as are Apple's long-awaited AirPower wireless charging pad and a wireless charging case for AirPods earphones.

Comments

They should have used September 11.

[Anonymous Coward]

And use the date as a pun on the iPhone 9 and iPhone 11. Can't see anything wrong with that idea.

Re:They should have used September 11.

[The Fat Bastard]

Can't see anything wrong with that idea.

That's why you're not being paid the big marketing bucks at Apple. However, the marketing person who came up with Xs/Xc should be fired.

Round iphone

[Anonymous Coward]

Round iphone confirmed !!

Re: Round iphone

[Anonymous Coward]

With squared corners ?

Re:Round iphone

[Anonymous Coward]

Excellent.... I always wanted a phone that looks like the ones from retrofuturistic superhero cartoons!

Phones Phones Phones

[tuppe666]

They will show copies of Android manufactures full screen phones with a very limited product range they have merged into the bland. Apple have become just a phone company, and a dull one at that.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[kurkosdr]

Yeah, the IR face recognition stuff is "bland", sure sure. Apple is the only company moving forward the state of the art for phone hardware, Pixel phones are behind the curve and Samsung phones are the previous iteration with a spec bump.

Re: Phones Phones Phones

[Anonymous Coward]

Lol. Ya right.. apple and state of the art in the same sentence. Now that's funny.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[FictionPimp]

Face rec is the one thing holding me back. I've got a 7+ and I love it, but I won't be using a phone that uses my face to unlock. No fingerprint scanner and I'm looking at what other options I have. I just wish there was a phone option that has a fingerprint scanner and is not tied to the google ecosystem. I don't use google products.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[kencurry]

Face rec is the one thing holding me back. I've got a 7+ and I love it, but I won't be using a phone that uses my face to unlock. No fingerprint scanner and I'm looking at what other options I have. I just wish there was a phone option that has a fingerprint scanner and is not tied to the google ecosystem. I don't use google products.

Just to put this out there - I hated idea of facial recognition also. Got the X a year ago and I love it. You get used to the facial system surprisingly fast. Also works in the dark.

Re: Phones Phones Phones

[saloomy]

They are. Not that you'd know given you probably use a phone with (insert not-the-fastest-mobile-processor-on-earth here).

Since you are too busy brand-hating, you'd be the definition of not an expert in the field to which you espouse your biased unfounded views. Why don't you read the tech press and the articles of all the journalists who consistently rate the iPhone as the best consumer product of the century? Ass hat.

Re: Phones Phones Phones

[tuppe666]

They are. Not that you'd know given you probably use a phone with (insert not-the-fastest-mobile-processor-on-earth here).

Since you are too busy brand-hating, you'd be the definition of not an expert in the field to which you espouse your biased unfounded views. Why don't you read the tech press and the articles of all the journalists who consistently rate the iPhone as the best consumer product of the century? Ass hat.

Tech journalism has been dead a long time. We talk about notches and compare cameras we have benchmarks that compare nothing, and the same consumer groups come up with the same answer. Its why SOC other than Apple's have faster downloads...I mean not artificiality crippled so they extract more money from their phones, treating their customers as scum.

And by fastest...you clearly don't mean graphics the Adreno 630 GPU is a monster...the AppleX is measurably slower. So as long as you don't mean anything graphics intensive like games, or anything that needs the internet like every other application. then maybe.

Maybe the new phones will change that, but the bottom line is the processor in a phone at a 8th of the cost of an iPhoneX plus abusive warranty is probably fast enough.

Re: Phones Phones Phones

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you some kind of fucking idiot?

The tech press is the worst place to get real info about apple. apples blacklist has made sure all those guys put a positive spin on all apple related stories or they loose access to early previews and good spots at apple events.

Get your head out of your ass ( or apples ) and collect some real info about apple.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[Macdude]

I won't use a security feature that would allow someone to unlock my phone just by pointing it at my face.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[hambone142]

It's thinner! It's bigger! It's smaller!

It's a phone, stupid.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[GrandCow]

As opposed to that same person forcing your finger on the home button? At least with Face ID you can close your eyes and it won't unlock.

Re:Phones Phones Phones

[FictionPimp]

I'm sure it works great, but I don't want to have to point a device at my face to use it.

Upgrade Time!

[itguy01]

Finally! Upgrade time is near... Hopefully this year I don't forget to return the old phone and end up paying for it. I'm excited to see what they have in store for the new phones. I don't pay attention to all the hype put out by the blogs anymore, it's not worth the speculation. Plus it kinda ruins the surprise factor. You can't blame a company for being secretive about things especially when they are accused of not being innovative anymore. All these "Tech Blogs" speculate and fill people's minds with things then if it doesn't happen people get mad.

Re:Upgrade Time!

[tuppe666]

Upgrade time is here indeed for fruit lovers. Apples phones devalue different to other phone companies. The drop in price like a stone after launch and suffer badly from OS updates. That's without their ongoing small battery problems, and limited storage(unless you through the nose...and that doesn't help the resale price)

Re:Upgrade Time!

[Anubis IV]

Apples phones devalue different to other phone companies. The drop in price like a stone after launch

Once I figured out what you were trying to say, I found that much of it didn't ring true to me, so I decided to do some research. Here are the used and launch prices for the highest-capacity, non-plus-sized, unlocked, currently-supported flagship models from both Apple and Samsung:

- iPhone X (256GB): $862 used, $1149 new (25% drop in 9 months, or 2.8%/mo.)
- iPhone 7 (256GB): $500 used, $849 new (41% drop in 22 months, or 1.9%/mo.)
- iPhone 6S (128GB): $231 used, $849 new (73% drop in 34 months, or 2.1%/mo.)
- iPhone 6 (128GB): $165 used, $849 new (81% drop in 46 months, or 1.8%/mo.)
- iPhone 5S (64GB): $120 used, $849 new (86% drop in 58 months, or 1.5%/mo.)

- Samsung Galaxy S9 (256GB): $650 used, $840 new (23% drop in 5 months, or 4.5%/mo.)
- Samsung Galaxy S8 (64GB): $380 used, $750 new (49% drop in 16 months, or 3.1%/mo.)
- Samsung Galaxy S7 (64GB): $150 used, $672 new (78% drop in 29 months, or 2.7%/mo.)

I'll break down my methodology in detail at the bottom, but I think the numbers kinda speak for themselves.

Take, for instance, the fact that the worst average monthly drop in value we see for the iPhone is nearly the same as the best average monthly drop we see for the Galaxy. And the fact that despite having higher launch prices (and higher capacities, which you said would be worse for resale), the iPhones consistently maintained more of their value than Galaxy models of comparable age. There is a steep drop for each of them in each of those first few years, but that's to be expected, simply because smartphones are a still-maturing market, meaning that there's a relatively rapid upgrade cycle for most buyers (and a corresponding glut of used devices for those most recent few years).

If you're wondering why there are fewer Galaxy models listed, as I said at the top, I limited myself to currently supported models. 2015's Galaxy S6 is running Android 7 and 2012's iPhone 5 is running iOS 10, so neither made the cut.

All of which is to say, this falls in line with what I've seen and heard anecdotally over the years regarding iPhones being better supported with OS updates and retaining more of their value than their competition. The numbers seem to bear those anecdotes out.

Personally, I'm astounded that my five year old, 64GB iPhone 5S is still worth $120 today. I've actually had the money set aside to upgrade for years, but Apple has said that the 5S is going to still be receiving OS updates, and mine still has enough storage for my current needs, still gets a few days of light battery use on a single charge (though it's noticeably worse than a year ago), and still performs well enough with all the apps I use. As a result, I'm seriously contemplating holding off on upgrading yet again for another year, just like I did last year and the year before, though I may do a $30 battery replacement via ifixit.com.

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Methodology:
Each "used" price is the current, highest trending price shown on eBay based on the last 90 days of sold listings. For models without a trending price, I used the median price of all sold listings. Each "new" price was the SIM-free/unlocked launch price direct from the manufacturer (except in the case of the S7, since Verizon seemed to be the only place to purchase it unlocked at launch). I only considered unlocked models in an effort to keep things fair, because otherwise I expect that the steep discounts locked iPhones have historically benefitted from would significantly bias the results in their favor. Plus/+/Edge/etc. models were excluded simply for the sake of consistency (e.g. there is no iPhone X Plus) and, frankly, to save myself the time of looking up dozens of more models. The highest capacity of each model at launch was used because you said higher capacities were worse for resale.

In retrospect, I should've taken t

Yay!

[Anonymous Coward]

New iMoji that are now 10% slimmer, and the best iPhone ever, since the last iPhone.

Innovation(sic) from the Essential Phone

[tuppe666]

Yes, just like they copied the notch last year, they'll copy some other feature this year.

Oh wait...

They did until after Essential Phone did it first, and worse. In reality it is just an evolution of display technology that allows for none square screens, and it appears on even the cheapest phones. I personally like the Android copies the notch pictures that has gone round, they show how ugly Apples use of this technology.

Other Phone manufactures love the notch. Accusations of them copying it drive more sales, or Actively mocking it to do like wise. Both show (and your comment) how little Apple has to offer...seriously a notch, You can't even tell an Apple phone from a Phone a 16th of its value. God bless dumbed down news, because nobody talks about specifications any more.

Re:Innovation(sic) from the Essential Phone

[kurkosdr]

What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch understands the reason behind the iPhone X's notch. Hint: It doesn't have to do with a couple of decimals in a screen-to-body ratio spec. The notch in the iPhone X made possible for Apple to shave off the bottom chin and make all bezels (except the notch area) the same width around the phone, giving it its treademark looks. So, of course copying the notch without the lack of bottom chin would end up ugly, so of course most Android phones with a notch and a bottom chin are an aesthetic mess. BTW, the Essential phone had a completely different type of notch, it doesn't house any IR or proximity sensors...

Re:Innovation(sic) from the Essential Phone

[Raenex]

What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch [..] The notch in the iPhone X made possible for Apple to shave off the bottom chin and make all bezels (except the notch area) the same width around the phone, giving it its treademark looks.

What's amusing is that phone "innovation" has come down to an ugly hardware "notch" that interrupts the symmetry of the display area.

BTW, the Essential phone had a completely different type of notch, it doesn't house any IR or proximity sensors...

Oh, yeah, that's completely different. *eyeroll*

More crap

[Anonymous Coward]

thanks apple!

Yawn?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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aaaawwwwnnnnn

Re:Yawn?

[Anonymous Coward]

You know what they say about one man yawning?

*yawns*

Note to the anointed ones (invitees) Wake us up when innovation happens from Cupertino.

Re:Yawn?

[Anonymous Coward]

Get comfy. You will be sleeping for a long long time.

Upgrade Game.

[jellomizer]

I had upgraded my phone last year, so I am not too interested what is happening this year.
However.
Apple updates their product line once a year, Android Phone (and the few WebOS) users complain about all the features and designs they had copied from them and put it into the Apple product that they are selling as New and Unique. 3-9 months later Android phone makers will copy iPhone features and people will complain about that.
In short the quality of the ideas and the originality of them will come down to what device you plan to get, or will get in the future.

Real Inprovements

[tuppe666]

Then you probably spent too much IMO on your phone. The Mid-Range Android phones have been innovative with real improvements, and have better features that than premium(sic) phones if you love things like a headphone jack, sdcard, radio and irblaster...and even real buttons, are cheap to buy and devalue very little. At the top end companies are starting to push the average selling price up by producing great value phones like the Pocophone F1 $300..and they don't devalue anything like as fast.

Re:Real Inprovements

[Anonymous Coward]

Problem with Android phones is that they are chock full of bloatware. One of which had ads on the pull down menu which couldn't be gotten rid of. Unlike with Safari on iOS, there are no adblockers for the web browser that comes with Android, so half the time you go to a site, you get a takeover ad for a free component if you sign up to a bunch of garbage, and have to start all over.

Oh, security updates? They don't happen. Since Huawei and other companies are actively fighting custom ROMs, once they stop updating, you either deal with a perma-hacked device, or you chuck it and buy something new.

You pay more for an iPhone, but you can go 5+ years getting security and functionality updates.

Re:Real Inprovements

[Anonymous Coward]

And dont forget the free phone throttling and other software sandbags apple throws in for FREE!

Re:Real Inprovements

[jellomizer]

We all spent too much for a phone, unless we have a $25 flip phone.
But these things you mentioned also come at a cost of waterproofing, security, and just reliability.
But hey if these features you mentioned are more important the the trade offs I mentioned at the degree they are trade offs. That is perfectly reasonable product.
Some people drive a Honda Fit, while other drive a BMW it is just about personal priorities in life, and I for one welcome the different options. I do not want to see Apple Only, or just Samsung Galaxy phones, I like seeing a wide range of products that offer different features and items. Does paying $1000 for an iPhone make you a stupid idiot? No it doesn't it may not be the best choice per features, but if you like it then you got a phone you have felt is worth its price. Is paying $300 for a smartphone out there a brilliant move? No not necessarily you may need an App or work in an environment where the build quality cannot cope or just doesn't have the specs.

Re:Real Inprovements

[Anonymous Coward]

You pay more for an iPhone, but you can go 5+ years getting security and functionality updates.

Or you can buy the right Android phone, you know, the type that has good hardware and are reasonably priced (not talking about sub US$ 200) and accepts alternative firmware like LineageOS. You can find those at the US$ 300 to US$ 500 range, which means you would be able to upgrade 2 to 3 times more frequently than an iPhone burning the same kind of money, while enjoying all the advantages of a user-freedom oriented platform.

Anyway, I have a friend that insists on a iPhone 5, fully updated. I sampled it for some minutes and to put it plainly, it sucks immensely... so that 5+ years you talk about is bullocks and you know it.

PERFECT name for an iPhone!

[Anonymous Coward]

The Excess!

I mean Xs! Sorry!

Maybe just a generic large screen phone design

[tuppe666]

Round iphone confirmed !!

I am disappointed you got downvoted for the brilliant irony. Apple is going to produce a rectangular slap with as much screen as possible. The news (drumroll) that they are doing a midrange(2 sims and a screen without burn in) at apple mark-up for the logo...without headphone jack/sdcard/ir blaster/radio etc, but yeah thats going to be a generic phone as well...maybe if you buy a case with a hole in people will see the logo through the hand your holding it with.

Re: Maybe just a generic large screen phone design

[Anonymous Coward]

To push people to the more expensive phone the apple logo will be removed from their "cheaper" phones.

Riiiight

[SuperKendall]

The Mid-Range Android phones have been innovative with real improvements,

Oh, you mean like multiple notches?

Re: Riiiight

[Anonymous Coward]

Great; now iPhone sheep have notch envy.

Essential Phone doesn't have a notch because no IR

[tuppe666]

What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch understands the reason behind the iPhone X's notch. /quote> ...yes they do; screen real estate. Those with a chin(sic) often have headphone jacks. Some de-emphasise the notch, while others embrace it. Some manufactures have chosen even greater symmetry than the iphone, going as far a pop up cameras. The iphone just looks like any other manufactures phone, and none of them are ugly; They all got designers. We used to talk about the insides of Phones now we are talking about matching bezels, how dumbed down has Apple driven tech news.

iphone SE+

[elcor]

That's all I care about. I paid $135 for my second hand SE, it runs perfectly and I look retro-chic

Re:iphone SE+

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm sad they didn't go for the iPhone SE X. Maybe they'll reconsider.

Re:iphone SE+

[ole_timer]

i've had my se (16 gb) since day 1 - runs fine, lasts a long time, and since i've been running ios 12 beta it's even faster - why would i upgrade?

Re:iphone SE+

[ole_timer]

SE X Plus!

Re:iphone SE+

[Anonymous Coward]

A 2 year iphone? Really no reason at all, except you are going against the will of the Apple Cult. The iFruity people won't respect you anymore and treat you as second class Apple follower. If you keep this attitude you may not meet Jobs when the time comes.

Re:iphone SE+

[ole_timer]

well we know where he went...so i hope not!

Re:iphone SE+

[Anonymous Coward]

Only if it has a nine-inch screen.

Fixed the Name

[Hydrian]

Shouldn't it be called the iPhone Excess?

Apple sets date:

[Anonymous Coward]

Yawn !!!!

Wireless charging case BS

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't a "wireless charging case" just basically the same thing as plugging them into a dock plugged into the wall?

Re:Wireless charging case BS

[ole_timer]

i think you just lay them on a dock which is plugged in...but you're close...another excuse to buy more stuff

Maybe an in screen fingerprint reader

[tuppe666]

Oh, you mean like multiple notches

Loving the fact a apple superfanatic is mocking the notch...Absolutely the mid range is experimental, and maybe the results are UGLY, but that is what choice is about. Ironically a second notch would have meant that Apples lack of an on screen fingerprint reader would have been less of a oversight, something mid-range Androids have.

Re:Maybe an in screen fingerprint reader

[jellomizer]

I think the problem is a lot of these makers are putting in a notch for no design reason other then trying to look like Apple, sometimes it is just an unused portion of the screen.
Apple wanted the screen to go as close to the edge. But it had a head speaker, a Camera, and a dot-projector in the way. Apple could try making these components right to the edge, or left a chin/forehead or they could use the extra unused space for some extra display.
The Notch is a design tradeoff problem, not a cool feature.

If other companies are just putting a notch they are doing it just to copy Apple. Not for a good reason.

Why I love Android over iOS

[tuppe666]

Problem with Android phones is that they are chock full of bloatware. One of which had ads on the pull down menu which couldn't be gotten rid of. Unlike with Safari on iOS, there are no adblockers for the web browser that comes with Android

Let me stop you there. You either have never used android or are simply lying for the sake of other Apple users. One of the major advantages of Android over iOS for me is the ability to run a modern browser not a skin of safari. I run Firefox on Android with an adblocker, and love it. Apples walled prison does not allow this. All this on vanilla android with an unlocked bootloader, and Amazon and Humble Bundle app stores.

Re:Why I love Android over iOS

[Anonymous Coward]

Which Android phones offer unlocked bootloaders? Not many these days. Huawei is definitely ensuring they don't.

My point still stands, because 99.9% of users do not have a rootable device, nor know/care what the "#" prompt means.

Re:Why I love Android over iOS

[tuppe666]

Which Android phones offer unlocked bootloaders? Not many these days. Huawei is definitely ensuring they don't.

My point still stands, because 99.9% of users do not have a rootable device, nor know/care what the "#" prompt means.

Why do Apple fanatics just lie. Rooting means you can run Fortnight. No Apple phones are rootable devices, and the new ones won't be, its a disgrace. In context of this article Lineage OS runs on these phones, most are quite popular. more people have a rootable device.

Benefit A3, Zenfone 2 (1080p), Zenfone 2 (720p), Zenfone 2 (ZE500CL), Zenfone 2 Laser (720p), Zenfone 2 Laser/Selfie (1080p), Zenfone Max Pro M1, Aquaris E5 4G / Aquaris E5s, Aquaris M5, Aquaris U, Aquaris U Plus, Aquaris X, Aquaris X Pro, Aquaris X5, Aquaris X5 Plus, FP2, Android One 2nd Gen, Galaxy Nexus GSM, Galaxy Nexus LTE (Sprint), Galaxy Nexus LTE (Verizon), Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6, Nexus 6P, Nexus 7 (LTE, 2013 version), Pixel, Pixel XL, 10, One (GSM), One (M8), One (M8) Dual SIM, One (Verizon), One A9, One M9 (GSM), One M9 (Verizon), One Max (GSM), One Max (Verizon), Ascend Mate 2 4G, Honor 4/4X (Unified), Honor 4x (China Telecom), Honor 5X, G2 (AT&T), G2 (Canadian), G2 (International), G2 (T-Mobile), G2 Mini, G3 (AT&T), G3 (Canada), G3 (International), G3 (Korea), G3 (Sprint), G3 (T-Mobile), G3 (Verizon), G3 Beat, G3 S, G4 (International), G4 (T-Mobile), G5 (International), G5 (T-Mobile), G6 (EU Unlocked), G6 (US Unlocked), K10, L90, Optimus L70, V20 (AT&T), V20 (Sprint), V20 (T-Mobile), V20 (US Unlocked), V20 (Verizon), Le 2, Le Max2, Le Pro3 / Le Pro3 Elite, P2, Vibe K5 / K5 Plus, Vibe Z2 Pro, Droid 4, Droid Bionic, Droid RAZR/RAZR MAXX (CDMA), Moto E, Moto E 2015, Moto E 2015 LTE, Moto G, Moto G 2014, Moto G 2014 LTE, Moto G 2015, Moto G 4G, Moto G3 Turbo, Moto G4, Moto G4 Play, Moto X, Moto X 2014, Moto X Play, Moto X Pure Edition/Style (2015), Moto Z, Moto Z Play, Moto Z2 Force, Photon Q 4G LTE, RAZR/RAZR MAXX (GSM), Robin, Z9 Max, Find 7a/s, N3, R5/R5s (International), R7 Plus (International), R7s (International), OnePlus 2, OnePlus 3 / 3T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 5T, OnePlus One, OnePlus X, Galaxy A5 (2017), Galaxy A7 (2017), Galaxy Note 2 (LTE), Galaxy Note 3 (International 3G), Galaxy Note 3 LTE (N9005/P), Galaxy Note 3 LTE (N900T/V/W8), Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III (AT&T), Galaxy S III (International), Galaxy S III (LTE / International), Galaxy S III (Sprint), Galaxy S III (T-Mobile), Galaxy S III (Verizon), Galaxy S4 (GT-I9505/G, SGH-M919), Galaxy S4 (Verizon), Galaxy S4 LTE-A (GT-I9506), Galaxy S4 Mini (International 3G), Galaxy S4 Mini (International Dual SIM), Galaxy S4 Mini (International LTE), Galaxy S5 (International 3G), Galaxy S5 Active, Galaxy S5 LTE (G9006V/8V), Galaxy S5 LTE (G900AZ/F/M/R4/R7/T/V/W8,S902L), Galaxy S5 LTE (G900I/P), Galaxy S5 LTE (G900K/L/S), Galaxy S5 LTE (SCL23), Galaxy S5 LTE Duos (G9006W/8W), Galaxy S5 LTE Duos (G900FD/MD), Galaxy S5 LTE-A, Galaxy S5 Plus, Galaxy S5 Sport, Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 Edge, Galaxy S7, Galaxy S7 Edge, Galaxy S9, Galaxy S9+, Xperia L, Xperia M, Xperia SP, Xperia T, Xperia TX, Xperia V, Xperia XA2, Xperia Z, Xperia Z3+, Xperia Z5, Xperia Z5 Compact, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Storm, Swift, Redmi 2, Mi 3 / Mi 4, Mi 4c, Mi 5, Mi 5s, Mi 5s Plus, Mi 6, Mi A1, Mi MIX, Mi MIX 2, Mi Max, Mi Note 2, Redmi 1S, Redmi 3/Prime, Redmi 3S/3X, Redmi Note 3, Redmi Note 4, Redmi Note 5 Pro, Yunique, Yuphoria, Yureka / Yureka Plus, Axon 7, Axon 7 Mini, Z1.

Long Long List. :)

Re: Why I love Android over iOS

[UnknowingFool]

Your "long, long list" includes many phones which do not match the poster's criteria of "these days". The Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 models, for example, from many years do not count.

Re: Why I love Android over iOS

[tuppe666]

Your "long, long list" includes many phones which do not match the poster's criteria of "these days". The Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 models, for example, from many years do not count.

I am glad you noticed that android a phone launched in March 14, 2013 is still supported. That phone was a bargin.

Re: Why I love Android over iOS

[UnknowingFool]

No what I'm saying is you were willing to twist what the poster said instead of actually complying and your list is essentially useless. As for those models many of them can't be updated to the newest Android so you are not being honest in that regard either.

Re:Why I love Android over iOS

[Anonymous Coward]

Long Long List. :)

Tiny compared to the total list of all Android phones.

the iphone 4 was the last premium phone

[tuppe666]

That's all I care about. I paid $135 for my second hand SE, it runs perfectly and I look retro-chic

...except its not going to happen Apple only do a small range of phones...and they have chosen to copy Androids mid-range phones to chase its dwindling Chinese market. The iphone 4 was a great design ; it looked classy and distinct(seriously the notch), but today I am not so sure if its Sony/Braun looks cut it, especially with the fanatics.

There are a whole host of manufactures producing modern phone on modern SOC in that price range, brand new.

Re: the iphone 4 was the last premium phone

[UnknowingFool]

Um doesn't the examples of the SE and X kinda destroy your entire argument?

Apple is teh suxxzors!!! Long live ANDROID!!!!1!

[Anonymous Coward]

Eat it, Jobs. Eat it.

Event...

[Anonymous Coward]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The round Apple Watch face

[wavedalton]

So many have been clamoring after.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:Team up with Subway.

[Anonymous Coward]

https://www.theonion.com/new-subway-promotion-to-honor-subtember-11-1819575535

if anyone wants to read the original

Get your Maths On

[tuppe666]

Thank you for spending the time. The Best Value Phones are Android 6 months old, and Chinese imports. Comparing the Apples second hand with those of Androids is difficult. Ignoring the fact you have chosen a Samsung expensive phone which I wouldn't personally buy for the same reasons as I wouldn't buy a Apple. The average selling price is about $260 and rising

The main reason your post is flawed, is you are comparing RRP not actual selling price and monthly drops, not releases of new models. Using your figures.

  -iPhone 8 (256GB): $500 used, $849 new (Drop of 42%($350) in one model)
- iPhone 7 (256GB): $231 used, $849 new (Drop of 73% in two models)
- iPhone 6S (128GB): $165 used, $849 new (Drop of 81% in three models)
- iPhone 6 (128GB): $120 used, $849 new (Drop of 86% drop in four models)

I don't really like using percentages, as the iPhone devalues significantly more than the total cost of the average phone, and significantly more than a brand new top end android phone like the Pocophone F1.

The figures show exactly what you would expect. If you are an Apple lover, buying last years model second hand after launch date is the sweet spot. As I said SELL NOW!

Is easy maths.

Re:Essential Phone doesn't have a notch because no

[Anonymous Coward]

What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch understands the reason behind the iPhone X's notch.

...yes they do; screen real estate. Those with a chin(sic) often have headphone jacks

Only in your demented mind does one need a "chin" to have a headphone jack. Fixed your incompetend quoting BTW.