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Google Bought Mastercard Data To Link Online Ads To Store Purchases, Says Report (bloomberg.com)

According to Bloomberg, citing people with knowledge of the deal, Google purchased "a stockpile of Mastercard transactions" that allowed Google advertisers to see whether the ads they ran online led to a sale at a physical store in the U.S. This arrangement was never shared with the public. From the report: Alphabet's Google and Mastercard brokered a business partnership during about four years of negotiations. The alliance gave Google an unprecedented asset for measuring retail spending, part of the search giant's strategy to fortify its primary business against onslaughts from Amazon and others. But the deal, which has not been previously reported, could raise broader privacy concerns about how much consumer data technology companies like Google quietly absorb.

Google paid Mastercard millions of dollars for the data [...] and the companies discussed sharing a portion of the ad revenue. A spokeswoman for Google said there is no revenue sharing agreement with its partners. A Google spokeswoman declined to comment on the partnership with Mastercard, but addressed the ads tool. "Before we launched this beta product last year, we built a new, double-blind encryption technology that prevents both Google and our partners from viewing our respective users' personally identifiable information," the company said in a statement. "We do not have access to any personal information from our partners' credit and debit cards, nor do we share any personal information with our partners." The company said people can opt out of ad tracking using Google's "Web and App Activity" online console. Inside Google, multiple people raised objections that the service did not have a more obvious way for cardholders to opt out of the tracking.

137 comments

  1. There's no single explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no central destination. But this long line of cards is trying to get through, and this long line of cards is all because of you.

  2. Whew by TimMD909 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use Visa only. Thankfully, I can rest easy knowing that'd never happen with anything but Mastercard. /s

  3. Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't even know if Google had my credit card number or not, since I used Paypal for Google Play.

    If they're going to pull this kind of thing, I'm no longer willing to give them my name or the tiny amount of money they were getting.

    1. Re:Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story is perfectly timed for me: I'm planning to upgrade from my current iPhone.
      After many years with Apple I was planning on switching to Android (in particular, the Pixel 3) in October.

      However I've now seen a couple of recent stories that have really put me off Android (Google):
      1. Recent story that Android tracks location history even when the user has switched this off
      2. This story about underhanded practices by Google

      That does it: I'll get the new iPhone in a couple of week's time.
      I really would prefer the openness of Android to iOS, but I MUCH prefer to maintain a modicum of privacy, which I get from iOS.

    2. Re:Enough. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there an outcry, not long ago, over iOS location services still recording your location even when disabled? Also, is this the story you read? Seems Apple is doing the same thing; at least according to that source. If you think there's a whole lot of difference between a ping ever 15 minutes and a ping every 1.5 minutes (or 18 and 90), when the location granularity is something like 30-80ft (actually look at GPS accuracy numbers in real world use sometime, you rarely see better than that) you're mistaken.

      Also, you must be completely blind to Apple's underhanded practices. The stories abound, so you have to be actively trying to avoid them.

      If you think you would like Android, try it. It's no worse than iOS and Google is no worse than Apple.

      Apply some critical thinking: Apple didn't become the richest company in the world on the backs of the smallest market share in the industry by being open and honest.

      Sent from my 2016 MacBook Pro. No, really, I'm not an Apple hater, just a realist.

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    3. Re:Enough. by samkass · · Score: 2

      Wasn't there an outcry, not long ago, over iOS location services still recording your location even when disabled?

      No, not recently. There was a big bug 7 years ago that led to that, and it was fixed by Apple in the next point release. I think that was iOS 4.0 (we're currently about to get 12).

      Also, you must be completely blind to Apple's underhanded practices. The stories abound, so you have to be actively trying to avoid them.

      No company is perfect, but Apple is light years better than Google in personal privacy and security. Probably because Apple makes money by selling you secure personal devices, and makes more money the more secure and personal they are. Google gives that part away, and makes more money the better they can track you and sell your information.

      If you think you would like Android, try it. It's no worse than iOS and Google is no worse than Apple.

      Sure, just be aware of what the people selling you your product do to profit, and expect to be treated accordingly.

      Apply some critical thinking: Apple didn't become the richest company in the world on the backs of the smallest market share in the industry by being open and honest.

      Apple is perhaps one of the least "open" company in the world, but one of the most honest. The transaction is really simple. Here's the best mobile device in the world, give us money. Here's the best wireless headphones in the world, give us money. Here's the best tablet in the world, give us money. Here's a service that integrates it all, give us money. Their success isn't some secret cabal.

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    4. Re:Enough. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Here's the best mobile device in the world, give us money. Here's the best wireless headphones in the world, give us money. Here's the best tablet in the world, give us money. Here's a service that integrates it all, give us money.

      Only one of those is true. Nobody has the iPad beat, simply because Android only makes a halfassed attempt at being a tablet OS. The market agrees and it outsells every other tablet combined.

      Best mobile device is entirely subjective and will be based on needs. For well more than half the market, it's clearly not good enough so, clearly, not the best.

      As for the wireless headphones, well... that's entirely objective. They're easy to lose, which makes them not the best if you want to keep them; but, ignoring that, they measurably don't have the best audio reproduction. Period.

      And if Apple has told you otherwise, they were not being honest.

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    5. Re:Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the only alternative. You can get an Android and not ever use Google's services (never make an account, disable all google apps), or you can install LineageOS and just remove all Google crap.

    6. Re:Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For well more than half the market, it's clearly not good enough so, clearly, not the best.

      No, for more than half the market, a shitty Android is clearly good enough.

      Let's face it, you don't need the best when all you're doing is being a cog for Facebook and having millennial anxiety whenever someone actually, you know, calls your phone.

    7. Re: Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question though:
      Who actually still uses a fucking tablet besides the beer vendor and maybe your cable guy?

    8. Re:Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one of those is true. Nobody has the iPad beat, simply because Android only makes a halfassed attempt at being a tablet OS. The market agrees and it outsells every other tablet combined.

      There's also the fact that Android requires you to pretty much upgrade your device yearly. The device itself is only supported about 18 to 24 months after the design phase has been completed. So a person that buys an Android tablet is going to have an insecure device within 9 to 15 months after they buy it. It will likely be rendered obsolete within 3 years because the app store (or apps) will no longer support it. While iPads may slow down or have crap storage as they age, they are at least still usable (iPad 2 on iOS 9 excluded).

    9. Re: Enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do. I am a structural engineer and the iPad Pro has essentially eliminated paper notes and printed documents in my office. I went from boxes of red lined printed pages to one iPad where, with notability, all the red lines are available as mark ups to pdf's.

    10. Re:Enough. by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      That has not been my experience. Maybe that's because I don't buy the $50 "last year's model" special. You can still buy the S8 new today, and it's certainly more than a year old -- and supported, still getting updated. A friend of mine with an S7 still receives updates monthly.

      And I know when both of these phones came out, because I bought both of them on day one. Not because I had to, but because a priomary feature of my phones is the camera and the camera on the S8 was that much better than the S7; repeat with the S9. Plus models, of course; I like 'em a little on the big side.

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  4. "What's in your taxes?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear...

  5. Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the story here that *MASTERCARD* sells all your financial transaction data around the world to lots of companies (think Cambridge Analytics etc.), or that Google buys them?

    It seems to be a Mastercard story dressed up as a Google one.

    Financial transactions should be covered by the same level of privacy as banking transactions, which would make this illegal to sell that data in EU, and it use to be USA had similar laws.

    But given that they're selling the data, can we buy Trump/Trump family/Trump company/ card data? If he has nothing to hide, and I'm sure that's true because he keeps saying it on twitter, then he has nothing to fear.

    1. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we buy Trump data can we also buy and post Clinton data?

      I want to know how much she paid the DNC who paid the company who paid the law firm who paid the sleazy British spy who paid the Russians for the fake material she had released through her minions at the corrupted FBI, DoJ, and the major media outlets.

    2. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If we buy Trump data can we also buy and post Clinton data?

      I want to know how much she paid the DNC who paid the company who paid the law firm who paid the sleazy British spy who paid the Russians for the fake material she had released through her minions at the corrupted FBI, DoJ, and the major media outlets.

      Why stop there? All senators and congress critters, state legislators and senators and governors. Go for it. These are the guys pressing forward on their surveillance society under the "If you have nothing to hide why do you oppose losing your privacy?" banner.

      ?

      But maybe first go for the boards of directors for Master Card and Google.

    3. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't Mastercard deserve privacy from their customers/products?

    4. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      So many conveniently forget the Steele dossier was initially funded by a Republican opponent of Trump’s.

    5. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      From? Do you mean to?

    6. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 1
      Can anyone who works in that industry or knows the details for certain educate us: do mastercard's (amex, visa, ...) records include details of WHAT was bought or just what i see on my credit card receipt (i.e. amount, date, store ID)

      thanks

    7. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      And that makes it okay that Hillary took it from there and went to illegal extremes? Get real.

    8. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by houghi · · Score: 1

      First understand that Mastercard is basically a franchise system.

      In Belgim the bank or financial instituation that gives you the card and handles your payment as a customer is unable to see what you bought. They will be able to see where you bought it.

      So, in theory, they could sell that data to whomever paid for it. However this has been illegal for a while.
      In Belgium it is not even allowed to run a analysis of purchasing type (e.g. on the Internet or only trasactions in gastations) for marketing puroposes.

      And this was all the case before GDPR.

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    9. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should probably start with how much the GOP paid the "sleazy British spy" to start that dossier on Trump.

      Of course that doesn't fit your narrative, so you conveniently overlook those facts.

    10. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No; Fusion GPS was hired for anti-Trump research by the Washington Free Beacon during the primary, but that ended when Trump was obviously going to be the nominee (May 2016). Steele was hired after Hillary took over funding the anti-Trump project.

    11. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "GOP" (actually the Washington Free Beacon, not the GOP) stopped funding Fusion GPS research in May; Steele was not hired until after Hillary's team started funding Fusion GPS in June.

    12. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I like your train of thought on this one. The government and their actions should be 100% viewable by the people. I understand some things they can't share because it may effect something they're working on. But after the mission is over...

    13. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by originalGMC · · Score: 1

      If we buy Trump data can we also buy and post Clinton data?

      I want to know how much she paid the DNC who paid the company who paid the law firm who paid the sleazy British spy who paid the Russians for the fake material she had released through her minions at the corrupted FBI, DoJ, and the major media outlets.

      She put it on the amex!

    14. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Funny. VIP PIA is not stored in financial system databases. The accounts are there but no compromising information is stored...such as SSN or address. Regular Joe Plebian Cardholder is subject to government compliance and Patriot Act regulations but not important people. Thier privacy is prioritized and valued.

      Disclaimer. I used to be the keeper of millions of Mastercard account cardholders' data.

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    15. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Well they claim if you have nothing to hide you don't need privacy so they should be leading us in surrendering theirs instead of doing the opposite. You know like Trump showing his tax returns.

      I would add in Churches, Church leaders and the leaders of any organization claiming great moral standing as they obviously as great moral leaders have nothing to hide too. Right? Judges and Lawyers as well just to prove that they aren't taking bribes as of course they aren't.

    16. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Per the article, all of the data is double-blinded. So yes you can buy this data. You buy the whole data set and you'll get the Trump data if they use Mastercard. In most cases, it's probably hard to actually pull out the PII but I bet this trove can be hacked to look for public figures who spend large sums since there is a lot of public information on their whereabouts at various times et cetera.

    17. Re:Mastercard story or Google story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. We know exactly how many dildos you have bought, Mr. "Mancunian Mask Man".

      Also, good choice on the sex doll.

    18. Re: Mastercard story or Google story? by thomn8r · · Score: 1
      I would add in Churches, Church leaders

      This - a thousand times this

  6. linked article is invasive too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bloomberg
    Terms of Service Violation
    Your usage has been flagged as a violation of our terms of service.

    Please make sure your browser supports JavaScript and cookies and that you are not blocking them from loading. "

    And the linked article is just more of the same invasiveness...

  7. Do I believe Google or Trump more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Trick question.  (I do that to myself.)  I believe neither, ever.

  8. fire google CEO by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Troll

    Seriously, it is long past time to fire him.

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    1. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, it is long past time to fire him.

      -

      I'd rather see the fucker get terminal cancer than be fired.

    2. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd rather see the fucker get terminal cancer then* be fired.
      FTFY

    3. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they don't sell data that links your name in advertising. WindBourne keeps telling us Google are the good guys !!
      Guess they WindBourne guy was just a lying trolling fucker.

    4. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather see the fucker get terminal cancer then* be fired.
      FTFY

      I'm sure your intentions regarding correcting me were good, but you misunderstood what I meant and I didn't actually make a spelling error.

      In the sentence I wrote above, I meant I would _prefer_ the guy get cancer _rather_ than get fired. So the word "than" was the correct word in that sentence.

      Using THEN as you suggest would give the sentence a different meaning. Using THEN, the guy would first get cancer and after that he would be fired.

      So both than and then could be correct, but the meaning of the sentence would change significantly.

    5. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fat chance.

      And fire him based on what? That you think he's an SJW or some BS?

      Googles profits have been obscenely good whilst he's been CEO. Money talks and bullshit walks. See ya! $$$$$

    6. Re:fire google CEO by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why? He does exactly what board and shareholders want, and he needn't give a fuck about anyone else's opinion.

      Welcome to corporate rule!

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    7. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft profits were obscenely good while Ballmer was CEO. Money talks and bullshit walks. See ya $$$$$

    8. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    9. Re:fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is exactly what I meant, dumbass. Glad you "got" it, though.

    10. Re: fire google CEO by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Long term, he is killing Google.

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    11. Re: fire google CEO by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What's that "Long term" you keep mentioning? On another note, where is your quarter report?

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    12. Re: fire google CEO by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Lot of truth to that one. The Google boys had actually done a good job of paying attention to long term. Bringing in a CEO that pays attention to only quarterly is s horrible mistake.

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    13. Re: fire google CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really should think a bit before you reply as you failed again to know whats going on.
      Your quarter report would read. Massive loss, in credibility.
      Where is your honour silly lying troll?

  9. Google have been doing it for years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It should always be assumed that Google is spying on anything they can, that they will lie about it when feasible, and that they have no shame in doing so. This is not new. It's up to you to protect yourself.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    https://web.archive.org/web/20...

    1. Re: Google have been doing it for years by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Uh. Up to you to protect yourself when the aggregate data repo for over 100 million Cardholder accounts is selling your data secretly?

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  10. Par for the course... by ChatHuant · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't some new behavior for Google - just an expansion of an already existing program. Google has been collecting your off-line purchases for years now. They're
    boasting about it, too.

    Here's a relevant quote: ...even if your business doesn't have a large loyalty program, you can still measure store sales by taking advantage of Google's third-party partnerships, which capture approximately 70% of credit and debit card transactions in the United States. So, more than two thirds of your non on-line purchases are tracked by Google and sold to all and sundry.

    Of course, as a simple citizen, you get no option or recourse. Even if you haven't ever signed on with Google, even if aren't using any of their properties, or if you tried to opt out of everything, you' still can't escape their stalking. Every breath you take, every move you make, they'll be watching you.

    1. Re:Par for the course... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

      So, more than two thirds of your non on-line purchases are tracked by Google

      "Google's third-party partnerships" surely means that Google themselves aren't tracking it directly, but rather get their data from the likes of Neilson and IRI, the same as everyone else.

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    2. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and the double blind encryption thing is BS... all they have to do is search your gmail and correlate it.. bammo, identity solved.

    3. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In physical stores, I pay cash. Even three letter agencies would have to put in a lot of effort to track that. Google can't.

    4. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For now. The facial recognition cameras on damned near every cash register in five or ten years say hello.

    5. Re:Par for the course... by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Google themselves aren't tracking it directly, but rather get their data from the likes of Neilson and IRI, the same as everyone else.

      The problem is that Google collects all the disparate pieces of info from lots of individual third parties (each of them having only small and mostly separate chunklets of data), then centralizes and correlates them into a big data iceberg. This is something other parties can't do, even if they wanted.

      Google has to be able to identify you personally, if they can match the ads they have shown you to the purchases you made, and extract the ad performance information they say they provide. Nobody else can do this at Google's scale and level of detail.

    6. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be illegal. Fuck capitalism.

    7. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been in trials already!

      https://www.fierceretail.com/technology/retailers-dipping-their-toes-facial-recognition-for-a-better-customer-experience

    8. Re: Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your dna and fingerprints are all over the cash.

      Sleep well.

    9. Re:Par for the course... by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Here's a relevant quote: ...even if your business doesn't have a large loyalty program, you can still measure store sales by taking advantage of Google's third-party partnerships, which capture approximately 70% of credit and debit card transactions in the United States. So, more than two thirds of your non on-line purchases are tracked by Google and sold to all and sundry.

      Not mine. I pay cash.

    10. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can try boycotting that, and partial face masks are legal just about anywhere. Hoods and sunglasses are relatively legal too.

      Whether you stick it to the man or bend over is up to you.

    11. Re: Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I understand that, but those won't help Google. I could even mitigate both of those if I thought that they would help Google.

    12. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Europe selling transaction details to Google would be illegal for credit card companies, and for around 20 years. The USA is behind on consumer protection if it does not have similar laws in place.

    13. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just grab a niqab.

    14. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europe has options for voters that aren't owned by corporate interests. In the US we have 2 right wing parties that are bought and paid for by corporate interests and fighting like hell to prevent the voters' wishes from ever being granted.

    15. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      purchase data needs to be protected like library borrowing history is... as in, not shared, ever.

    16. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, there IS a recourse.

      Step 1 is to realize the credit and debit card system is run by a bunch of crooks, intentionally flawed and horribly insecure and using it is, at best, a recipe for drama.

      Step 2 is to just use cash as much as is possible.

    17. Re:Par for the course... by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Yes. They can do that. A lot of people can do a lot of terrible things. What's actually important is whether or not the do do it.

      It would be idiotic of them not to if they can profit from it. It would be more idiotic of them to claim they don't and risk getting caught committing fraud when it's found out that they do. So, which is it? Are they idiots, or are the even bigger idiots? And I mean that question seriously as can be.

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    18. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who cares about their own privacy isn't using gmail though, and those using it don't care about their privacy.

    19. Re:Par for the course... by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      The thing is... we as consumers want it both ways. We want free content on the web, but somebody has to pay the bills to keep the servers running and the programmers programming. So if we won't pay for the content, advertisers foot the bill. Yet we look for every possible way to disable ad content on the "free" pages we consume, fight against any kind of tracking metrics that tell the advertisers their money is well spent, and then get outraged when formerly free sites put up paywalls because their advertising revenue doesn't pay the bills.

      And let me be clear that I'm including myself among those want-everything-free consumers. I'll disable adblockers on sites that I can for the most part trust (like my bank or Amazon or Google or Slashdot) as long as the ads aren't so intrusive they cover up content or make lots of noise, but I do still run the adblockers by default.

    20. Re:Par for the course... by larryjoe · · Score: 1

      This isn't some new behavior for Google - just an expansion of an already existing program. Google has been collecting your off-line purchases for years now.

      Allowing third parties to view my financial transactions feels to me as violating as putting a camera in my home. Even if a trusted friend or relative were the only viewer of the camera footage, that would be extremely creepy. If a for-profit corporation controlled the camera, that would be an outrage. Why is the viewing of non-anonymized financial transactions legal and ostensibly tolerable? Because politicians are easy to bribe (excuse me, educate via legal financial expenditures). Because we are impotent to do anything about it, absent using cash exclusively.

      If it hadn't been clear before, it should be clear that "do no evil" is only possible when the meaning of evil is re-engineered.

    21. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the reality is that representative democracy doesn't scale well. Living in a small scale country gives you better visibility to whats really going on. Its easier to see who is connected to who and harder to hide favoritism.

    22. Re:Par for the course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's strange but somehow years ago in a city with a large population there were free newspapers supported by advertisements. Somehow this was a viable business even though the advertisements couldn't watch me from the paper pages. It seems to me that the real problem is in what advertisers believe they are owed.

    23. Re:Par for the course... by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Why is the viewing of non-anonymized financial transactions legal and ostensibly tolerable? Because politicians are easy to bribe (excuse me, educate via legal financial expenditures).

      Ah, I'm sure the fact that Google is the biggest spender on lobbying in the USA is completely unrelated. Because that would be evil!

      it should be clear that "do no evil" is only possible when the meaning of evil is re-engineered.

      Oh...

  11. TL;DR Everything is tracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I work for a company that links up similar data. Y'all have no idea.

    1. Re:TL;DR Everything is tracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a company that links up similar data. Y'all have no idea.

      -

      Let me guess ...

      Palantir ?

    2. Re: TL;DR Everything is tracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually we do have an idea. That is why we hate you and google and Facebook and every other shitty people tracking data wh0ring tech company.

      Anyone who works in any capacity for any of those and other well known evil companies that comes on here to whine about Trump or anyone elseâ(TM)s evil is a hypocrite and needs to choke to death on a heaping pile of dog shit. Trump has at most 8 years in office. Google Facebook etc will keep your personal information forever.

    3. Re: TL;DR Everything is tracked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You realize that it is your civic duty to sabotage and destroy this crap right? Do what is right for humanity.

  12. Summary and article are shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially summary. Repetitive crap makes me feel bad. Repetitive crap makes me feel bad. Especially summary.

  13. Conflicted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why I divested from the Google ecosystem.

    Even though I paid hundreds or thousands of dollars a year, they could not decide if I was the customer or another product.

    Evil!

  14. Casus belli by TentativeFate · · Score: 1

    Google is waging war on our psyche. This here is intelligence gathering, to better identify weak spots in our defenses, in preparation for an escalation of their assault.

    Will we ever fight back?

    1. Re:Casus belli by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Dont use their products.

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    2. Re:Casus belli by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wrong. Poison their data.

      As a statistician, I can tell you that there is something way, way worse you can do than not provide me with data. Provide me with false data that I cannot tell from genuine data. Because that devalues my whole data set. If enough poison is added, all of my data is worthless.

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    3. Re:Casus belli by dargaud · · Score: 1

      There used to be a firefox plugin that would search for random keywords every few minutes on google, downloading the page in the background and deleting it. I wonder if it's still around.

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    4. Re:Casus belli by asackett · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here it is: TrackMeNot.

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    5. Re:Casus belli by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless that involves tons of false purchases which you return, it's not likely to matter

    6. Re:Casus belli by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      Provide me with false data that I cannot tell from genuine data. Because that devalues my whole data set. If enough poison is added, all of my data is worthless.

      I worry more about inadvertently poisoning the data. When some political extremist (left or right) posts some idiotic paranoid conspiracy trope, the first thing I do before explaining why it is idiotic is go searching for relevant articles with genuine facts.

      The result is that my search history is littered with searches for things like child p**n, crime stats among immigrants, rape demographics, the ingredients of homebrewed meth, hate literature, gun ownership, etc. I don't want to think about what that does to Google's profile of what my interests are!

    7. Re:Casus belli by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You mean the reason the lady at the grocery store looks strange at me is that I buy condoms and doggy treats together?

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  15. That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buying Phone location data and Credit card data and cross referencing them.

    Now that gives you a lot of power.

    1. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buying Phone location data and Credit card data and cross referencing them.

      Now that gives you a lot of power.

      Some of us saw this shit coming a long way off.

      My phone is carried in a foil pouch which blocks RF signals. I use it to make calls or texts. I do not care whether I can receive calls or not, that's the caller's problem, not mine. So while my location might be recorded when I make a call, most of my travels are not recorded by the phone because the phone cannot interact with cell towers when it's inside the pouch.

      I pay cash for everything. I own no credit cards.

      Oddly enough, I do nothing which is illegal, but the very idea that some son of a bitch is tracking me just pisses me off, so I make it more difficult for them.

      Those nabobs ... I hate them ... ( the horror ... the horror ... ). Bonus points if you can name the film in which the preceding words were uttered.

    2. Re:That's nothing by asackett · · Score: 1

      Bonus points if you can name the film in which the preceding words were uttered.

      Porklips Now.

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    3. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phone in a foil pouch is looking for cell tower non-stop. I think it would drain battery relatively fast. Airplane mode would be much better.

  16. Encryption scheme by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    we built a new, double-blind encryption technology that prevents both Google and our partners from viewing our respective users' personally identifiable information

    For those who are wondering, here's how it works:

    cursor.execute(
        "insert into transactions
        (customer, ccnumber, vendor, item, date)
        values (?, ?, ?, ?, ?)",
        'ankFra ohnsonJa',
        '342 3481 4083 4323 1a',
        'algreensWa',
        'iagra 50mg 10ct Va',
        '2018-08-30').

    1. Re:Encryption scheme by swillden · · Score: 1

      For those who are wondering, here's how it works:

      For those who are really wondering how it works, I believe this paper is the relevant one: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/7...

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    3. Re: Encryption scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is where Google's secrecy hurts them. A practical application of homomorphic encryption that gets both MasterCard and Google and advertisers exactly what they want while preserving user privacy and the first the general public hears of it is clickbait.

  17. Been suspecting this for a while... here's why... by n3il · · Score: 1

    I'm a google rewards user (never paid for anything on google play - except w/ my soul), and I've been suspecting this for a while and here's why... 90% of the time after I visit any store or restaurant i get a survey request where it asks me which store i visited, nails it 99% of the time on which store i visited, and then asks me what i payment type i used to make the purchase: credit card, cash, etc... At first the surveys would ask if i would share my receipt. figuring they could then tie my purchases to my google account, I've declined to share the receipts every time they ask, and i will continue to... However recently (in the past 3 months or so) they quit asking me for a receipt. which meant either: a) they knew who i was already by my CC# or b) they were smart enough to know that i wouldn't share that info so they quit asking for it. w/e idc.., i get "free" shit on google play for putting up with better targeted ads.

  18. Evil Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprising some people in the tech community still defend Google. Tossup between them and Facebook for the title of creepiest company to ever exist.

    1. Re:Evil Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..but, but, Android has a Linux kernel tucked away somewhere deep under a god awful JVM! Also, you can publish unlimited amounts of fart apps in the Play Store with no quality control whatsoever which is great for hobbyists!

  19. We know when you get divorced before you do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The full quote is "we know everything about you. We know when you get divorced, usually before you do" This is not Google, this was a credit bureau executive who boasted it 25 years ago. It's not Google who is tracking your off-line purchases, it's the credit card companies. AND THEY SELL IT TO EVERY ONE. They have been doing it for many many years, and somehow they get a pass. No one complains.

    This does not excuse Google in any way; they have more data, and they should be much more sensitive to it. But we somehow tend to complain only about the new companies and let the old behavior of the old companies continue unchecked.

  20. A cryptographer here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People seem to miss the point about the encryption here. It's pretty clear from the description that they use some form of secure multiparty communication. This is already in use by e.g. the Estonian government to match records between various government agencies without those agencies having to share their data. What I would assume that they do is that Google has a list of customers and Mastercard has a list of customers. Google knows which customers X looked at ads at a certain point in time and Mastercard has information on which customers Y bought something in that timeframe.

    What they want to compute is the set intersection of X and Y, but in such a way that Mastercard gains no information about the list X, i.e. absolutely no information from Google, while the only information Google gains from Mastercard was the information that a certain entity in X was present in Y.

    In other words, this allows companies to do certain kind of joins on data across organizational boundaries, but without actually having to share the data or any subset of it.

    1. Re:A cryptographer here... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      They are customers to each other. Then add in a nations security services AC. Very different from the role of the consumers.

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    2. Re:A cryptographer here... by asackett · · Score: 1

      TFA says "It had two components. The first lets companies with personal information on consumers, like encrypted email addresses, upload those into Google’s system and synchronize ad buys with offline sales. The second injects card data.

      It works like this: a person searches for 'red lipstick' on Google, clicks on an ad, surfs the web but doesn’t buy anything. Later, she walks into a store and buys red lipstick with her Mastercard. The advertiser who ran the ad is fed a report from Google, listing the sale along with other transactions in a column that reads 'Offline Revenue'..."

      This tells us that Googod must know the identity of the hapless consumer and the specific product purchased. Or that I've wine too much drunk this evening...

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  21. Buy your mom a pressure cooker and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    get a SWAT team storming into your living room.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/01/new-york-police-terrorism-pressure-cooker

    1. Re:Buy your mom a pressure cooker and by Cryacin · · Score: 2

      As if "Credit Card tax", or as they call it "Merchant discount", isn't enough revenue. They have to go and sell your data.

      And this just goes to show. Cash is king.

      For everything else, there's mastercard!

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    2. Re:Buy your mom a pressure cooker and by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Buy your mom a pressure cooker, your dad a box of nails and a few boxes of fertilizer for your garden and if you're lucky, you won't get shot during the raid...

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    3. Re:Buy your mom a pressure cooker and by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      In this case not just your data but specifically tracking you purchases as related to the advertising you viewed in order to analyse the most effective advertising methods in order to more effectively manipulate your choice, regardless of how poorly that purchase served you needs. Basically a big ole fuck you transaction, tied to which lies are the most effective when it comes to sucking you in. Corporate level, AI, major douche baggery, how to be more of a cunt con person selling you over priced shit , that is unfit for purpose, beyond it being cheap to produce and sold with massive mark ups, !00 %, 1,000%, 10,000% anything goes, this is for AI crafted, individual targeted, style of ads, nothing to do with product, just how your gullibility can be most effectively targeted to pay way too much for way too little and basically big ole fuck you, to customer satisfaction.

      What style of ad most effectively pushed you purchase to a particular product. This is actually pretty criminal and the https://www.apa.org/ should review this activity and consider banning professionals who would corrupt their knowledge to the detriment of every one the psychologically attack.

      Keep in mind this is in total disregard to your mental health, how much they damage your psychology, as long as you pay too much for too little.

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    4. Re:Buy your mom a pressure cooker and by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If you're going to do that, you have to make sure to also fill up your (diesel) truck while you're out. Otherwise, you'll just get a friendly knock on the door.

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  22. Should be Opt-In not Opt-Out by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Especially so in Europe where the GDPR clearly forbids opt-out.

    1. Re:Should be Opt-In not Opt-Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time for another whopping big fine from the EU.

      I also hate to say Google is a monopoly now - nobody else has bulk access to this data at at lesser price - if at all.
      The flaw in the logic is ad = sale and 100%. In reality I see an ad for warm clothes, and probably hit Walmart or whats on special. Advetisers know what leakage is, but the best feedback is directly asking buyers what induced the sale. in my case an ad without a price - never leads to sale.

  23. WindBourne's fact check - TROLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    claim with no evidence - time to fire

    verdict - troll, karma whore

  24. But they do NOT scan your email, so we're good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evil yahoo still looks at your email. Get the pitchforks!

  25. Bought? by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    My gf looked at a dress on my computer. She LOOKED at it.
    Now I get adverts almost everywhere, and they're trying to sell me... you guessed it... a dress.

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    1. Re:Bought? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      Now I get adverts almost everywhere, and they're trying to sell me... you guessed it... a dress.

      and I am sure that you would look very pretty in it :-)

    2. Re:Bought? by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      That's what she tells me.... I'm not convinced.

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    3. Re:Bought? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      On the rare times i see ads, I only get them for things I have already bought on Amazon. Mostly when I am using the phone where there isn't uBlock.

      Would I like "this specific camera I already own", or "this specific computer I already own".

      I bought one of those titanium backpacking cutlery sets last week, so now I get ads for climbing gear. Yeah, I ain't going to be climbing any fucking rocks any time soon.

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    4. Re:Bought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Girlfriend... suuuuure... hey maybe that closet is a little stuffy, yeah?... we are all friends here

    5. Re:Bought? by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      I bought one of those titanium backpacking cutlery sets last week, so now I get ads for climbing gear. Yeah, I ain't going to be climbing any fucking rocks any time soon.

      Well, at least you've started taking the necessary steps in weight reduction.

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    6. Re:Bought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the rare times i see ads, I only get them for things I have already bought on Amazon. Mostly when I am using the phone where there isn't uBlock.

      Would I like "this specific camera I already own", or "this specific computer I already own".

      I build ecommerce sites, and am relentlessly pestered with ads from my clients. These algorithms are stupid.

    7. Re:Bought? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I bought one of those titanium backpacking cutlery sets last week, so now I get ads for climbing gear. Yeah, I ain't going to be climbing any fucking rocks any time soon.

      Well, at least you've started taking the necessary steps in weight reduction.

      Shit, even if I didn't weigh 250lbs, you won't find me willingly suspended from a cable high off the ground.

      Oh, you mean the weight of my gear.

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    8. Re:Bought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made the mistake of buying a blender online and also searching for Blender (the software). I got deluged with Blender ads. One thing to: I just bought a new blender, doesn't that mean I am less likely to want one now?
      Also tracking online purchases is not what this article is about.

    9. Re:Bought? by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and not just online. I ordered something for my wife from Woman Within once, and ever since then (the past 3+ years) I've gotten a steady stream of catalogs from them in my name. I have gone to their website and submitted an opt-out request; I have been on the phone with them; I have been in chat with them; I have complained in email. I think all it did was increase the rate of deliveries -- sometimes I get two or three in a single week. No wonder our mail carrier gives me a big grin when I see her at the mailbox...

      On the other hand, some of those sundresses look like they could be a fashionable way to beat this unbearable heat. Hey, do y'all carry sizes for a 40-inch chest and 46-inch waist?

  26. Advertisers have been telling us for years... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... to see whether the ads they ran online led to a sale at a physical store in the U.S. ...

    that ads lead to sales. Now they are saying that they do not know this to be true?

    1. Re:Advertisers have been telling us for years... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      ... to see whether the ads they ran online led to a sale at a physical store in the U.S. ...

      that ads lead to sales. Now they are saying that they do not know this to be true?

      Remember, a marketing company's first priority isn't to sell your product, it's to sell theirs.

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  27. Opt-Out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how do you opt-out from Mastercard selling your private data?

  28. Schwanke is also a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that is your justification for all the illegal stuff that went on, you are not just a moron, you are literally the most corrupt idiot on the planet.

    Lets start with the DNC rigged their primary, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    DOJ/FBI lied to get FISA warrants, 4 times, but that's ok because an NON-GOP news outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    Clinton deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails, a week after getting the subpoena, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    Clinton committed 110 felonies in mishandling classified information, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    Clinton took $650 million in bribes for State Dept policy, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    Comey took DOJ power illegally as FBI director, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.
    CNN lied about Cohen flipping and what he was going to tell and refuse to retract the story, but that's ok because a NON-GOP new outlet paid Fusion GPS.

    Are you seeing how stupid you are yet? If not there literally is no help for you OR your name is really Hillary Clinton.

    1. Re:Schwanke is also a moron by samkass · · Score: 1

      You have created a sad, fearful reality for yourself to live in.

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    2. Re: Schwanke is also a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice ad hominem. Looks like he just reported facts to me.

  29. nice by aquildelan1981 · · Score: 1

    nice

  30. "Don't be quite as evil as some others. Maybe. Maybe not quite as evil as pimps. That's it."

  31. Block all ads by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Block all ads, all the time, no exceptions. If you have an ad-supported business that runs ethically, too fucking bad. The 99% of other ads ruined it for you.

    What, no apologists whining (in the Jim Sterling triple-hey voice) "but that stealing"?

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  32. Not "as a citizen" by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

    Of course, as a simple citizen, you get no option or recourse.

    This has nothing to do with being a citizen but 100% with being a consumer. Stop mixing unmixable things.

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  33. Fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google.
    And.
    MasterCard.

    In the ass.

    Still wondering why I use Adblock?!?

  34. Yawn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Big data' company uses big data... wake me when you have some actual news, please?

  35. I am shocked by byteherder · · Score: 1

    I am shocked but not surprise that Google and Mastercard got together to exchange very private, very personal information. These are two giant companies that decided that your private information was open to being bought and sold. No hacking company server and selling it on the dark web. No back alley meetings where a briefcase of cash is exchanged for a thumb drive of data. Just big corporations sinking to a new ethical low.

    What is next, Google is going to ask BofA for my bank statements to see how much money is in my checking account so that they can display wealth appropriate ads to me?

    Disclosure: I work in infosec and we treat PCI data (credit card data) like it is national security secrets. It is against everything we believe to think that anyone but the minimal number of parties have access to your data.

  36. Cryptocurrency by WindowsStar · · Score: 1

    All the people here on slashdot that said credit card companies do not sell their transaction data, well here is the proof you were demanding. I will say it again here is one of the many reasons cryptocurrency was invented and why so many people want it to replace banks and credit card companies. Just saying.