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Senate Passes Music Modernization Act With Unanimous Support (billboard.com)
After the House's unilateral support back in April, the Senate has unanimously voted to pass the Orrin G. Hatch Music Modernization Act, which is named in honor of the Republican senior senator from Utah -- a songwriter himself -- who will retire at the end of the year. Billboard explains the bill: The bill creates a blanket mechanical license and establishes a collective to administer it; reshapes how courts can determine rates, while making sure future performance rates hearings between performance rights organizations BMI and ASCAP and licensees rotate among all U.S. Southern District Court of New York Judges, instead of being assigned to the same two judges, Judge Denise Cote for ASCAP and Judge Louis Stanton for BMI, as its done now; creates a royalty for labels, artists and musicians to be paid by digital services for master recordings created prior to Feb. 15, 1972, while also eliminating a Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 carve out for "pre-existing digital services" like Sirius XM and Music Choice that allows for certain additional considerations not given to any other digital service when rates are set; and codifies a process for Sound Exchange to pay producers and engineers royalties for records on which they have worked.
Over on the music publishing side of the business, there was much happiness too. For example, ASCAP noted that the legislation reforms an "outdated music licensing system and give music creators an opportunity to obtain compensation that more accurately reflects the value of music in a free market." Billboard notes that the revised Senate version "will go back to the House where it needs approval due to all the changes made to the bill in order to get it passed in the Senate." Once the House approves, it will then head to President Trump's desk.
Over on the music publishing side of the business, there was much happiness too. For example, ASCAP noted that the legislation reforms an "outdated music licensing system and give music creators an opportunity to obtain compensation that more accurately reflects the value of music in a free market." Billboard notes that the revised Senate version "will go back to the House where it needs approval due to all the changes made to the bill in order to get it passed in the Senate." Once the House approves, it will then head to President Trump's desk.
It's not too soon for you to begin becoming an adult and quit being a stupid annoying useless prick.
It's not too soon for you to begin becoming an adult and quit being a stupid annoying useless prick.
But when will the President do the same?
Why won't you edit?
Boom.
Reading the article it sounds like streaming services are going to have to pay more to stream songs written before 72 in particular and more for everything in general. The article though is notably lacking in details, and keeps falling back to vague platitudes like
The result is a bill that moves us toward a modern music licensing landscape better founded on fair market rates and fair pay for all. At long last, a brighter tomorrow for both past and future generations of music creators is nearly upon us.”
I guess it's also nice for MOM and APPLE PIE.
How in the nine hells will they manage a brighter tomorrow for past generations, given the fact that those are DEAD?
Does this bill have provisions for necromancy?
a copyright extension...
oh, wait. i know why they didn't...
many content producers and distributors also own "liberal fake news". and if they want it, trump and his moron administration won't do it.
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that aside.. i can't wait for the cable and satellite companies to jack rates up using this as an excuse (digital music is part of most channel lineups, even though few actually use it).
It's not too soon for you to begin becoming an adult and quit being a stupid annoying useless prick.
But when will the President do the same?
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If you kill yourself, Trump will resign.
You first !
Well, arguably the current laws do. That sounds like it's addressing copyright protection and royalty payments to a musician's estate to me. I know no detail about this, just going on what the quote says.
Your art-lit-history degree is showing. Paid writers on slashdot, pushing the DNC cause.
We could replace you with a small shell script.
Anything that passes with unanimous support is generally about as good for the public as the DMCA and the PATRIOT ACT. Hey, guess who introduced the Sonny Bono Copyright Act to Congress (wherein it passed through the Senate unanimously)? It was Orrin Hatch...
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Thanks Trump for making the US great again. *
* == still too many crazy lefties, though I guess we still need people to serve us drinks
How in the nine hells will they manage a brighter tomorrow for past generations, given the fact that those are DEAD?
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The dead artists quite often ( nearly always ) have heirs.
Royalties from music being played or licensed are paid to those heirs.
Royalties can result in very significant sums of money being paid to the heirs, who are ( by the very definition of the word heir ) still alive.
You may not think this makes sense, but I assure you that virtually every such heir thinks it makes very good sense indeed.
Nothing in this world is free, and only a thief or a fool believes otherwise.
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To give more info, this bill is a renamed/modified version of the CLASSICS Act, which was mentioned on Slashdot back in May. It extends copyright for certain works to 144 years. It was also introduced to Congress by a Republican, lest one think that only Democrats are beholden to the MAFIAA (although the unanimous support is a dead giveaway.) Actually I'm surprised no Libertarians in Congress oppose these bills.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
How does one burn in a "dumpster fire the cunt", what exactly is a "dumpster fire the cunt"?
If you actually read the text of the bill, you will find they made wire tapping illegal without seeking copyright permissions from the person being recorded and they can charge a royalty but it would depend whether their life is a dramatic work or not, apparently.
The other weird thing, it gives absolutely no recognition of the public domain, so public domain works can be taken out by a similar new work. Fair use has also been specifically limited to legally recognised libraries, archives and educational institutions. The individual is not entitled to fair use and can have their public domain work stolen by a similar work by a pigopolists. You can rerecord a public domain work and deny the original public domain with new copyright.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
... and they can charge a royalty but it would depend whether their life is a dramatic work or not, apparently.
I would suppose that if you are worth wiretapping, your life is either dramatic or is about to become so.
Nothing in this world is free
Gravity is free.
144 years ... copyright laws are so out of whack here in US, my only hope is that other countries will shift to more rational laws we'd all be able to take advantage of services based elsewhere in the world.
Free so long as you live under its oppressive weight.
"His name was James Damore."
It seems the one thing that is free is money for the heirs of artists.
I just looked this up and gravity actually cost more on dvd than blu-ray for some reason. Not sure why.
So I think it's time to establish recurring royalties paid to software developers for software they have worked on too. While we're at it, builders too, because houses are rented out as well. Everybody should get rent for what they did once.
As each site will need to pay music jutebox fees
144 years ... copyright laws are so out of whack here in US, my only hope is that other countries will shift to more rational laws we'd all be able to take advantage of services based elsewhere in the world.
In 20 years or so, we'll extend this to 1728 years, just to be safe.
You think the US is bad? The EU just voted for mandatory content ID/upload filters for Internet sites.
Might as well give up hope now to save yourself the disappointment.
if anything in the Internet age, copyrights should be shorter because now artists have a much faster ability to sell and market their works than 40 years ago when every sale involved a physical medium that had to be produced and shipped about
"I would suppose that if you are worth wiretapping, your life is either dramatic or is about to become so."
For the common joe, this doesn't matter too much for him. However consider now if you wiretap a cop, in addition to getting harrassed and brought downtown on bogus charges, you'll get a potential day in court or at the very least a stiff copyright fee.
But consider that this is the kind of thing that a politician would want the most given the lives they choose to lead.
I will not willingly pay for music again until The Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd is in the public domain. That album is older than me. If it doesn't become public domain in my lifetime, any limitation on the length of copyright is meaningless. The music industry needs to die to give way to something better.
Stay with the program please. Quantum uncertainty has proven causality to be a figment of our imagination.
Congress is just updating the law according to the latest scientific insights.
Actually you have just described something free - the income for the heirs who may never worked, never contributed to anything, they just got the right to the "royalties" for creation of someone related to them. Their ancestor actually already got paid in their life for his artistic contribution from which they and their heirs might have benefited. And now they just get money for nothing. It's not even money for guarding and protecting vision of an artist which i would understand but just the money like they were actual contributors. And if the author gives its creation away to everyone for free for the good of public he now can be overturned by some random shi*head who can just rerecord his art and get again something for free - not only he does not need to pay the actual author but he gets what's is not his - again - for free. It's just a way to pay more for creative works to the rights holder and not to the authors. Counter intuitive, counter productive etc. Like always - good intentions are not enough to conclude in the good legislation.
This. So this. I hate rent and rent seeking. That is probably why I am poor. Work to pay rent, goy!
not much hope then since whenever another country wishes to oppose this trend the US treatens them.
Here's the EFF's take on it. Apparently it's a combination of the Music Modernization Act (a mostly positive bill updating how compensation works for artists and rights-holders on streaming services), with the CLASSICS Act (another copyright extension and expansion thing).
It seems the one thing that is free is money for the heirs of artists.
It's not even the heirs themselves who are pushing this as much as the all the rest of the industry that profits from being solely licensed distributors/publishers and continuing to make a profit from works that should have entered the public domain long ago.
The social contract has been broken. The deal was we protect the works for the author/artists for a **limited** time (eternity minus a day is NOT what was meant by "limited time", that's just sophistry and semantics) and, in exchange, those works become free for anyone to do anything they like with them. That is no longer true in any but the technical sense. For example, any time the copyright on Mickey Mouse nears expiration, boom!...a new Act extending copyright terms magically is passed with few voting against even in the partisan warzone that is Congress.
And I'm sure they'll be shocked & surprised when more and more people simply stop even pretending to obey copyright restrictions. It appears so counterproductive that you'd almost think there might be ulterior motives involved.
But that would be 'conspiracy theory' territory, as we all know just how honest, open, and transparent those in power in the private and public sectors are about such things.
Right?
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
That's what this is. In other words, a new ripp off.
Nothing in this world is free, and only a thief or a fool believes otherwise.
Unless your an heir of someone who wrote some popular music before you were even born. Then you get to ride their coattails to bags of free money.
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Yes, where the fuck is my royalties for the machines i've programmed/been designing for 10 years now? I should be living in a mantion by now.
One thing I've never understood, and this isn't a criticism/complaint from me, is why slashdotters are so upset about the copyright on Mickey Mouse. Is it literally just that it's a best / most recent example that people would recognize? I see people talking about how copyright ends up stifling creativity by making certain things off limits... but why would creativity need to use Mickey Mouse or any other copyrighted character/design?
Please met me know the machines you built, because if they were designed like the way you spell, I want to avoid them like the Plague.
Because Disney rains Washington with gold and silver whenever any of Mickey's copyright's are about to expire.
"His name was James Damore."
supply and demand
One thing I've never understood, and this isn't a criticism/complaint from me, is why slashdotters are so upset about the copyright on Mickey Mouse. Is it literally just that it's a best / most recent example that people would recognize? I see people talking about how copyright ends up stifling creativity by making certain things off limits... but why would creativity need to use Mickey Mouse or any other copyrighted character/design?
Pretty much anyone knows of mickey mouse so it is an easy example. Would you like to pay copyright royalties on say the use of Boolean Algebra in the same way that you pay for a more than 8 sec sample of random song? Just while writing this post my computer probably did a couple hundred of operations that would require royalties payments.
The other weird thing, it gives absolutely no recognition of the public domain, so public domain works can be taken out by a similar new work.
Cite?
Fair use has also been specifically limited to legally recognised libraries, archives and educational institutions.
I don't see that. I see the section about pre-1972 works (section 1401) that describes Fair Use for these works, and it only mentions libraries, etc., but references section 107 which defines Fair Use, and which the bill does not modify. Since it doesn't change sec. 107, I don't think it changes the scope of Fair Use.
On both points, if you were right I'd expect to see the ACLU and similar organizations complaining, but I don't.
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Nothing says "free market" like price fixing
"is why slashdotters are so upset about the copyright on Mickey Mouse"
Because Disney, seeing that the copyright on Mickey Mouse was about to expire paid for legislation to extend copyright to keep Mickey from becoming public domain.*
Narrow Corporate interests were held as more important than the general populace's interests by our elected leaders. In my mind, this is one of many events that show that corporate money should not be allowed in the political process.
*Yes, I know they did not directly go to congress and say "here is money, give me legislation". The net effect is the same.
One thing I've never understood, and this isn't a criticism/complaint from me, is why slashdotters are so upset about the copyright on Mickey Mouse.
Because it's a completely false example, and Slashdot has forgotten how to argue reality.
Mickey Mouse is protected by trademark. Trademarks have no expiration. On the other hand, there are old cartoons that Disney regrets because they were perfectly acceptable at the time but in todays culture would lead to endless lawsuits if re-released. Disney does not want old material to become public domain primarily because of changing sensibilities, but they won't turn down the opportunity to re-re-re-re-re-release other old content that should be public domain for lots of money every now and then.
That, and most of Disney's library comes from making musicals out of Hans Christian Anderson, the Thousand and One Nights, the Brothers Grimm, and other old stories.
Eventually some lawyer is going to convince a court that retroactive copyright extension is expropriation without compensation, and get a lot of money.
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Orin Hatch is commonly refered to as the Senator from Disney.
Many coders are "Work for Hire", so no royalties. Software should be under patent not copyright, as a cross compiler renders the files sufficiently different it should void the copyright.
During a discussion of methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.
"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to deliberately download pirated material very slowly so other users can't.
"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."
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On Facebook: “So, how do you sustain a business model in which users don’t pay for your service?” (April 2018)
This guy is another dinosaur that his constituents keep putting in because they have no idea how to vote for anyone else and doing so would require thought or energy which are scarce resources for the average American. At least this guy has the decency to retire! Just a few months ago, McCain was incapacitated and refused to step down unless the governor agreed to appoint his wife to take his place.
Putting the CON in Congress!
...ASCAP noted that the legislation reforms an "outdated music licensing system and give music creators an opportunity to obtain compensation ...
Typically in the past whenever the music industry talks about compensation for the music writers or performers they are not speaking about the writers or performers of the music, but the music companies that own the rights to the music. Now I see a new word, "creators," and I wonder if anything has changed, or has the music industry once again purchased Congress to increase the income of the music industry while giving a mere pittance or nothing at all to the artists who write and perform the music.
looks like another mickey mouse bill
When the fuck are americans going to get sick of this shit!!
Well, the senate passed it so its safe to assume its pretty horrible for the American people and probably the entire world.
IThe other weird thing, it gives absolutely no recognition of the public domain, so public domain works can be taken out by a similar new work.
Could you cite a section of the bill for this? "Public domain" means anything not covered by copyright. This Act, as far as I can tell, does not extend the length of copyright or apply it to works that weren't previously covered.
Fair use has also been specifically limited to legally recognised libraries, archives and educational institutions. The individual is not entitled to fair use and can have their public domain work stolen by a similar work by a pigopolists. You can rerecord a public domain work and deny the original public domain with new copyright.
This assertion alarmed me. So this is all I could find from the Senate bill:
Section 1401(e)(1)(A) states:
"(e) Limitations On Remedies.—
(1) FAIR USE; USES BY LIBRARIES, ARCHIVES, AND EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The limitations on the exclusive rights of a copyright owner described in sections 107, 108, and 110 shall apply to a claim under subsection (a) of this section for the unauthorized performance of a sound recording fixed on or after January 1, 1923, and before February 15, 1972."
Section 107 of the current copyright act is where the [judicially created] concept of fair use is encoded. The only reference to section 107 that I can find is the above. It does not limit a defense of fair use to Libraries, Archives, and Educational Institutions (i.e. the header does not limit this in any way). Is there another section that you're aware of?
Sounds right to me.
Strat
But music "producers and engineers" are not?
The Supreme Court has already ruled that since "limited time" is not defined, as long as there is a limit, Congress can do whatever they want. I'm not sure which court you think can overrule them.
in regards to our Congress,
Forgive them, O Lord, for they know not what they do. (not copyrighted)
The article though is notably lacking in details, and keeps falling back to vague platitudes like
The result is a bill that moves us toward a modern music licensing landscape better founded on fair market rates and fair pay for all. At long last, a brighter tomorrow for both past and future generations of music creators is nearly upon us.”
I guess it's also nice for MOM and APPLE PIE.
And, in the entire article, there is absolutely no mention of what all this this mean to consumers. As far as I can tell, this is just another scam by the RIAA Mafia to make everyone pay more.
We can't have an effective system to pay for health care because that is "socialism" but it's fine for the government to decide who pays how much for music and literature?? How can they twist that into OK?
Well fuck, now that we've got this nail biter figured out (whatever the hell it is, I couldn't actually tell from the summary) we can finally move on to some of the issues that are far less important than making sure the music industry can still print money. Or maybe I'm wrong, and this does help fix healthcare, balance the budget, etc.
these heirs apparently think money is free
If you asked a congresscritter theyd probably know no more about the leslation that they voted for than the vapid story 'summarization'...
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Why is the government involved in the dealings between private parties?
The music cartels have ensured they now ALL get a chunk EVERY time:
See there are several music cartels, and they fall into a segment groups.
RIAA collects royalties for "recordings". So whenever you bought a vinyl record, cassette, or CD. They collected royalties for the artists. Let's say you wanted to do a cover of a song and release it on your album. You pay RIAA. But believe it or not, that doesn't necessarily mean you can play that cover live...nope...that's a different cartel. Oh, but let's also add, that the royalties are paid to the copyright holders. Which were usually the record labels themselves, (which formed RIAA), and have spent a century ripping off artists by tacking on fraudulent expenses and failing to pay.
Performance and broadcast rights. ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC collect the performance rights. This is what classic radio stations paid. They never paid RIAA ^^^ up above. It is also what most churches pay in order to display the words of the songs on projectors, or print them in hymnal books. It is also who you pay for music in your restaurant, elevator music, and I believe your "on hold" music. Oh, but get this...once again it goes to the copyright holder. And what goes to the artist, often goes to only a select few. Huh what? Well see these royalties go to those on record as having "written" the music/lyrics. So if the drummer wasn't involved in writing the song, he doesn't get paid.
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When the advent of digital music and streaming came about it started to cause a bunch of issues for the cartels, as they kind of got into a turf war with each other and with artists. For example, record labels signed licensing deals with the like of iTunes. But while many artists only received 15% on an album sale, licensing deals were 50/50. But the record label cartels paid the artists as if they were sales.
Then you had the digital streaming radio. Were these broadcasts (hence under BMI/ASCAP/SESAC) or were these recordings (thus under RIAA). RIAA made an argument that buffering, and caching and the like constituted recording. Mind you, radio has done this with on-air delay for years. But RIAA didn't want to take on the broadcast radio, because gee, who would buy their albums if they never played them.
Thus was the DMCA and SoundExchange. Now here is the thing, SoundExchange required every online music broadcaster to pay them a royalty per play. But SoundExchange ONLY paid out based on certain number of plays, and those plays as a percentage as a whole. Now at the time 90% of the music played was by independents and micro-labels. But here's the thing, the big labels push a handful of artists and albums in any given season. Listen to yada yada radio, and count how many songs you ever hear. Probably 80% are the same 100 songs on a given station. Hence the popularity of college radio which might play a song from some obscure band once. So suddenly, these big stations start streaming. And their playlists do something interesting...
College radio and independent streamers.
1,000 independent artists, each play 10 times = 10,000 plays
Big Music
10,000 plays, of a 100 artists. Big Music artists show up as 100 plays each.
SoundExchange did a couple of things, a minimum number of plays/royalty amount to receive a payout. And a time to claim such. Otherwise, it just went to the cartel. So basically, they now collect the royalties for all the independent bands, but never pay them out. Talk about piracy? Or even more so akin to the East India Company - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
They had succeeded once again in successfully !@#$% over the artists, the independents, college radio, and most consumers. But there were still dubious areas that the music cartels were fighting over. Hence this law, which basically ensures they ALL get a piece of the action everytime.
And once you understand all this, it's why you usually quit giving a !@#$% about all their hype on pira
Because Disney has shat upon the constitution. Fuck your voting, fuck your campaigning. No congresscritter dares cross Disney because they will be disappeared. They will just disappear from the news and will be unelectable because they just won't exist in the news. You think Facebook is dangerous? You haven't crossed the Hollywood cartel.
Listen, dude. If you don't retroactively increase past incentives for people to have promoted the progress of the useful arts and sciences, then they'll turn out to not have done it. Is that what you want? I was listening to The Doors just last night, and I don't want my files to suddenly disappear all because some entitled jackass doesn't feel like to have been supporting Jim Morrison's drug habit.
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Unless you're an heir to a copyright.
Thank you for the link. It was much needed.
It should also be pointed out that no one has heard a wiff of this through major news outlets because they've been consumed with made-for-TV hearings to appoint and/or tear down some guy to fill some other similar guy's post. It's almost like both sides of the aisle want that circus to avoid any light to shine on the bipartisan screw-the-little-guy crap (like this) they work out at the bar after the show is over for the day.
more money for role models for more weighted gold chains, more golden gold tooths (supposedly replacing the original one lost during one of those night long alcohol testing parties) and less clothes for the girlfriends ...
Having trademark protection is good. Having trademark AND copyright protection is better. It provides multiple legal pathways to go after someone that is using your IP.
Disney indeed helped fund and sponsor the The Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 along with others specifically to keep Mickey mouse protected under copyright.
So, 2067 is when a bunch of stuff finally goes PD. Imagine this from the 2018 point of view of, say, Robert Plant or Jimmy Page. Basically, nobody in your entire family of descendants ever has to get any sort of job for at least another 50 years. Even your great grandkids can just watch TV all day if that's what they want to do. And if you can just put some of the revenue aside to invest in anything else, you get to be ruling class in perpetuity, nobody ever having to get a job at all, ever. Bitchin'. Yeah, I'd bribe Orrin Hatch for that.
As soon as we figure out how to torrent Higgs Bosons, Gravity will be the same kind of free that music is.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
You must be young to not remember the EU extending copyright, then the US "harmonizing" with it. In addition, there's hundreds of laws far more absurd than what the US has "protecting cultural works" in Europe. Imagine if, by law, Infinity War was still in theaters and no one was yet allowed to legally release it on any other platform. Welcome to France.
Once again, you are conflating different issues.
Mickey Mouse is protected by Trademark.
Old cartoons using Mickey Mouse are protected by extended copyright restrictions.
Of course Disney helped fund the "content creators infinite money bag act," so did all their competitors. You get better results when your choice of terminology and argument is true. By conflating two different issues, even a casual investigation can show that your stated issue is not real and that devalues any good solutions you might have.
That is mass not gravity.
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This is a republican congress. So, unless something very unusual has happened, this law will favor making money for those who own businesses and have little or no concern for consumers built into it. That is business as usual for the GOP. And I say this as someone who regularly votes for the scum. I view both parties as scum and feel I regularly choose between the least repulsive, but when you vote republican you have to expect to get you what voted for which is to say abhorrent, unapologetic promotion of 'capitalism' as opposed to true free enterprise.
You seem to have a very poor grasp on the difference between composition and performance/recording copyrights. Nothing in this law allows a composition that is PD to suddenly be assigned a copyright based on someone else recording it. Similarly, an existing recording that is PD will not somehow become magically the property of someone else who who records a similar one.
Also, the "wiretapping" provisions are aimed specifically at concert bootlegging, aiming to clamp down on the ability of merchants to distribute and/or sell recordings of performances that were recorded without the permission of the artist. Note that this language applies to both soundboard and audience recordings. In the past, this meant that bootlegs were very hard to take action against by artists, since it was unclear whether the "creator" of a bootleg recording in a legal sense was the recorder or the artist on stage, and artists couldn't afford the hassle or expense of trying to register copyright on every recording on every performance out there, which they would have to do to make them enforceable anyway.
For fans of artists who permit such recordings, such as Phish, Pearl Jam, the various incarnations of the remaining Grateful Dead members, etc., this change will mean very little, since they have already been in effect granted an unlimited license to do so. However, for artists who prohibit such recordings, they will now be able to enforce royalty payments by anyone distributing bootlegs of their shows, regardless of whether they authorized or registered copyright recordings on them.
The "dramatic work" language is designed to prevent this from having a chilling effect on free speech by preventing, say, politicians who have made a gaffe or police who committed misconduct from attempting to suppress recordings of such by demanding royaltiesfrom anyone who distributes them.
it allows trumps associates to monetarise their singing to the fbi,
I think you are missing a point. Yes indeed Mickey Mouse is trademarked. But all works containing Mickey Mouse are also currently copyrighted. For you to draw Mickey Mouse yourself you would be making a derivative work, which would fall under copyright, while drawing his likeness would simultaneously fall under trademark. so when Disney sues you, because it is covered by both copyright and trademark, they can hit you with both. if the copyright were to lapse for some reason, then they would only be able to sue you for trademark infringement, because at that point if would be legal, at least via copyright, to make derivative works containing mickey mouse. It is quite possible Disney would still win such a case only with trademark protection, but it is much easier when you have two big laws backing you up, instead of just one. As well the copyright lets them continue to control the release of old films like you mentioned.
I don't know what you're talking about but it sounds easily circumventable. Simply encrypt the file before you upload it using a unique/random key. Random bits do not look or sound like the latest hot album until decrypted.
I thought the same thing. It only states what it's suppose to do, not what the actual provisions are. I suspect that the platitudes won't be fully realized instead we'll have something else.
No need. Trump has been digging his grave for decades. It's almost ready ... he just needs to make a pit stop in prison first.
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No, the constitution limits copyrights to some fixed amount of time (to be determined later), so there still has to be a public domain. However, there might be practical considerations that weaken public domain defenses in the bill. A more thorough discussion of the merits of the bill by public domain advocacy groups would be welcome.
in Congress. The closest was Rand Paul, and he's been falling in line with the mainstream Republican party for some time now...
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More than likely that's what this'll do.
The other Orin Hatch Act honors the invisible glasses enthusiast by requiring that insurance companies provide coverage for such glasses and associated costs. Ironic, for a man so against healthcare (as well as affordable housing and education, and who has sought to limit DEA authority over drug companies, and who equated homosexuals to nazis).
Hey, he's a musician, so let's ignore all the shitty things he's done while cozying up to the pharmaceutical lobby and consistently trying to limit the rights of people who aren't just like him.
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
What it seeks to do is make music more expensive for consumers and make it more difficult for indie musicians to make money. Business as usual, and something that has not worked to protect musicians' income in the past. Fitting that it's named after Orrin Hatch, a man who has always worked against consumers (although he has tried to make invisible glasses affordable for all so we can be like him).
This is a hacked account, for which the owner can not be held responsible.
Monetarise? Is that you, Mr Trump? I think you mean monetize. But the joke's on you, that's actually a word!
Nothing in this world is free, and only a thief or a fool believes otherwise.
Unless your an heir of someone who wrote some popular music before you were even born. Then you get to ride their coattails to bags of free money.
Not just that. The whole point of capitalism is that rich people get richer simply for being rich - that owners of capital get richer for doing nothing other than owning the capital. Capitalism gives up on any notion of fairness in order to maximize economic productivity. In a capitalist economy rich people don't deserve to be rich and poor people don't deserve to be poor.
Of course, it's always possible to do like Denmark (one of the best/happiest countries to live for ordinary people who aren't filthy rich) and have a capitalist economy that maximizes economic productivity - with high taxes that are used to make sure that ordinary people are financially secure with access to enough basic necessities to be guaranteed a simple comfortable life at a minimum. Or at least it would be possible for a country like the USA to be like Denmark - if working class Americans weren't tricked into voting against their self-interest by media organizations owned by selfish billionaires like Rupert Murdoch.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that since "limited time" is not defined, as long as there is a limit, Congress can do whatever they want.
If you're referring to Eldred v. Ashcroft (2003), the opinion of the Supreme Court mentioned in passing the possibility of "legislative misbehavior" to circumvent "limited Times". The Court failed to find "legislative misbehavior" for one reason: the United States was harmonizing its copyright term to that of a major trading partner. The opinion implied to me that the Court might not be so kind to a subsequent extension between now and 2024 without a good excuse.
Not one dissenting vote.
No "Drumpfy fumpf" obstructionist horseshit when it comes to those topics that really matters - Money for Jews!
That's fine if you want to share the work privately between you and a cypher holder. But if I want to comment on a work publicly, or, at least, within a group of my friends, it will be illegal.
Listening to or performing any music composed before 1972 as well as recent music that imitates such old styles will carry a prison sentence.
I'm just going to boycott every service.
I've noticed some comments from people seeming to not understand why people complain about copyright extensions so I'll try to give some perspective here. By extending copyright terms to such ridiculous lengths they are effectively taking away the peoples right to share their knowledge of culture legally with the next generations. By the time these copyright terms expire, assuming they aren't extended again(forgive the bad joke here), my great great great great grandchildren will not have had the right to use works that are being created today. This basically takes away the peoples right to use their knowledge of history for the greater public good.
Another problem is that payola labels were shady as fuck. Take the funky groove artists of the 70's for instance. Brilliant artists making brilliant music who never really made a fucking dime for their efforts. They happen to have made some of my favorite music, btw, but if I wanted to share that music legally with you I would have to license it from the people who shamelessly ripped it off from them. I don't particularly want to reward these fuckers for exploiting the artists who created this music that I love. So I'm left with no legal recourse for legally sharing that history with people who may appreciate it in a public venue.
And really, at the end of the day, it's not within the scope of the federal governments power to take the peoples right to the public domain away from us. The enumerated powers of congress are explicitly limited to not infringe on the peoples rights and, make no mistake, it is our right to use the public domain. Someone asked why people bring up mickey mouse when this topic comes up. The last time copyright terms were extended the bill was popularly referred to as "The Mickey Mouse Protection Act" because it happened, as it did the time before that, when the earliest mickey mouse cartoon(steamboat mickey) was about to enter the public domain. Disney knows the value of the public domain better than most, many of their early works were based on stories taken from the public domain, and this is why they've strived so hard, and spent so much money, to take away the peoples right to use it for themselves. They are incapable of competing in a free market so they've stolen the freedom from the market to protect their stock values. This is explicitly not the power that congress was granted to exercise as it does not promote useful arts and sciences.
Thats my 2cents. Hope it helps.
...it gives absolutely no recognition of the public domain...
Cite?
Apparently you don't understand how that works...
So how much is singing "Happy Birthday" going to cost now?
Who needs Bills of Attainder when you have selective enforcement?
I'd like to mod your signature insightful.
Being a songwriter turned out to be a remarkably easy way to take a bribe from entertainment conglomerates.
Thanks. Can't believe this wasn't in the article. Oh hell of course I can, it linked to Billboard.
It be posted on talk like a pirate day....
jokes on you fuckwit - I'm not american and can use the letter 's' correctly.
I was in a store the other day that had a display of DVDs and BluRays right next to each other. I think the term "bargain bin" would actually describe it as titles ranged from $5 - $10.
The BluRays were all $5, the DVDs were $10.
I also have no freakin' clue why.
If I had to guess, and this is just a wild guess, maybe due to the prevalence of digital streaming there are more people with old DVD players than BluRay, and more BluRay being produced, thus more demand for + less supply of DVDs v.s. BluRays.
It's simple. Congress has come to realize that the best copyright works come from authors who are dead. I believe they're called ghostwriters.
GP said "retroactive", not "limited time".
Mickey mouse films, songs, books, comics, etc. are protected by copyright. Mickey Mouse the name and the "ears" logo are protected by trademark.
Mickey Mouse is just a lightning rod. It is about copyright and trademark abuse in the USA and world.
Honestly, I'd be ok if the Library of Congress wanted to add 1 item per year for long-term protection - say 500 yrs - to a list of national treasures. Mickey would be the Disney submission, clearly, and they'd win.
The first 2 Star Wars films and those characters could be added too.
Same for a few books.
A few songs deserve that protection, but never an entire album.
But extending copyright protections for all the crappy books, novellas, music, films to the same level as Mickey is just wrong.
There needs to be a way to provide protection in a smart way, while opening up initial attempts which failed ... like Space Hunter or Buck Rogers at some point, say 50 yrs.
Say 50 yrs is the default period of protection and the copyright holder can petition for 10 yrs more for $100K. The 2nd 10 yrs would cost $500K and the 3rd $1M. From there, exponential rise in costs. This way, only truly profitable works are worth protecting.
Art items, where there is a single copy would retain protection for the life of the artist.
Music ... we need to avoid the "Happy Birthday" BS again.
This is likely true as he is old and lives on fast food. But one must also remember she did porn. Lots of it. With most guys, it's gonna be slinging a hot dog through a canyon.
No it didnt.
All copyright law is still null and void.
If you write a song tomorrow, there will be a big corporation who has the power to sell the rights to that music without your permission, and you'll have to jump through their hoops if you want to get a portion of that money. They'll keep the rest as a fee for the privilege of them screwing you over.
Further more, if you try to sell the rights to your own song without involving them, they'll DMCA the results into oblivion.
This corporation will also be able to charge people for everything in the public domain.
And nothing of value was lost.
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Its easy: release their shit in better quality.
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There's a lot in it but I'll hit some high points.
Pre-1972 works
You can basically break everything "recorded audio" into one of four groups for things pre-1973.
1. Pre-1923: All audio recording pre-1923 will have their copyright expire three years after this becomes law. Since the President has not sign this into law, that three year clock hasn't started.
2. 1923-1946: They will get a 95 year (that is expires in 2018 to 2041) copyright from date of publish, plus a five year transition period. So expires in (2023-2046).
3. 1947 - 1956: Will get a 110 year protection, no extra frills attached to that number so expires in (2057 to 2066).
4. 1957 - 1972: No matter the date, any works in this period will expire in 2067. (so 110 years to 95 years).
1973 and forward
Pretty much the copyright will exist for 95 years and pass into public domain thereafter.
States will now have a central repository for claims
When someone sues for copyright infringement or not paying royalties or whatever, it's up to the states to determine if you have a claim or not. This led to a lot of craziness as some states like Florida didn't recognize an artist's right pre-1972, but the recording company does have a right. Which gets into the two types of copyright, mechanical rights and licensing rights. The various states have all kinds of different laws about how a song writer transfers rights to the person who eventually produces the CD or audio file that you listen to. This whole process will now be streamlined...
Companies will have to figure out how to streamline this
It's left up to the big three, ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC to put together how they want to streamline this process. Been suggested that there be some kind of unified database, but the law doesn't explicitly state how they do it. There's not much recourse if they tilt the scales in their favor, but once the system is up, everyone has to respect it. The law does mention that whatever system they do setup, it has to treat mechanical rights and licensing rights AS EQUAL. So if the music studio gets 5 cents for licensing, the artist has to get 5 cents for mechanical rights.
Claims
I'm going to end it here because I'm getting really bored with this, but the law goes into a lot about how streaming services will query the database (if that's how they do it) and from that query it'll let them know how much they owe Music Studio A and Artist A per play. It also covers how states will be able to query the database and figure out how to proceed in court, and so on. Basically, whatever the big three come up with, with how to do things, it'll be up to them to get everyone on board with it. For that kind of music that's commercially sold. Now artist just performing and what not, they still have access to their copyright by nature even without having to sign up for the database. Basically, that's where you get into the "wiretapping" thing that someone else mentioned. Basically, public performances from artists get a free go, unless someone else claims it, and if they claim it, they need to cite either the database or whatever protection the state affords them. But it shifts the burden back onto the person filing the claim and not the performer.
Again, it's an insanely complex law with 118 pages and you can rest assure I've totally missed a ton of it because I'm still reading the damn thing. By all means, I'm sure fellow Slashdotters will step up and correct me where I'm most likely wrong and fill in all the holes that I've missed but that serious about thirty minutes of a read of the law that I could distill for you.
>round brackets
Bigly.
On both points, if you were right I'd expect to see the ACLU and similar organizations complaining, but I don't.
Ever since Trump won, I am not sure we can expect them to do anything useful any longer.
They used to be pro-freedom, but now they are just anti-Trump. TDS at its finest.
You're so right. I wish we could get rid of all of the dinosaurs in congress that have stood on watch over the last 4 decades of deficit spending, war, and invasion of rights. Hatch is a shitbag and so is McCain. I respect what he did in his early life but it didn't make him a good politician.
A Republican that sees nothing wrong with record labels destroying your computer apparently.
Record economy, record unemployment, newfound peace in the Korean peninsula.... USA is doing amazing now because of Trump. Worst. Traitor. Ever.
Thanks.
Well, the senate passed it so its safe to assume its pretty horrible for the American people. ...
Is it sad that this is EXACTLY what I thought as I was reading the summary?
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
Software should be under patent not copyright, as a cross compiler renders the files sufficiently different it should void the copyright.
Source code is subject to copyright. Compiling is a non-creative transformation of the source code into machine instructions, and therefore not an effective legal shield against a copyright claim. If compiling was a creative exercise then it might be sufficiently transformative to survive a fair use claim, but it's not.
Copyright was created to provide artists with a temporary revenue stream to fund new creative works, before said works became public domain. You don't have to believe me, go read about the Jefferson compromise regarding copyright and patents. Despite what the corporations and a few nutters tell you, public domain (for both creative works and patents) was viewed as necessary for the new Democratic-Republic to grow. If either copyright or patents existed in perpetuity for any given work/patent, then it would be used to extract wealth from the public long after the actual usefulness to the creator expired.
In other words: You're talking out of your backside and don't understand the founders of this country, nor public domain.
I'd written my senator to complain and he basically told me this was good. What a do nothing.
To give more info, this bill is a renamed/modified version of the CLASSICS Act [wikipedia.org], which was mentioned on Slashdot back in May. It extends copyright for certain works to 144 years. It was also introduced to Congress by a Republican, lest one think that only Democrats are beholden to the MAFIAA (although the unanimous support is a dead giveaway.) Actually I'm surprised no Libertarians in Congress oppose these bills.
There is absolutely no doubt the current implementation of copyright in the USA violates the Bill of Rights, the highest law in the land, and a law all of these people swear to uphold. As has been discussed previously on this forum, rights such as 9th Amendment right to ethical government and the 9th Amendment right to ethical practice of law are routinely violated in matters involving copyright (the same is true for patent and trademark, but those are discussions for another day).
This law is no exception: it's overly complex, and that - in an of itself - violates the right to ethical practice of law, as well as the right to long term public oversight over government and the legal profession. It's illegal for lawyers working on Congressional staffs to write an overly complex law, it's illegal for lawyers in Congress (including the Senate) to vote in favour of overly complex laws, and it's illegal for judges and prosecutors to implement or enforce those law. They badly need to clean up the text, removing huge amounts of garbage, and greatly simplifying things.
Under the 9th Amendment right to ethical practice of law, even the appearance of conflict of interest must be avoided when reasonable alternatives exist - where reasonable is determined in the mind of an ordinary educated person, not a lawyer. There's all kinds of nonsense in this law that is in fact avoidable, special cases and exceptions and obscure language (such as 'nondramatic musical works'): lots of extra complexity that simply doesn't need to be there.
So, what we really have here is a situation where every single person in the Senate that voted (unanimous support) violated his or her oath to uphold the Bill of Rights. We also have clear evidence that unethical practice of law is the NORM in the US legal profession, since the law would NEVER have gotten this far into the process if any one of the many lawyers involved (staff members, legislators, lobbyists, and so forth) had been paying attention to legal ethics issues.
Not much surprise there for some: as Lindsey and Teles point out in The Captured Economy, there are extremely serious problems with the practice of law in the USA (rent-seeking problems, aka ethics problems), and these have very negative economic and social consequences for society.
The infringement of fundamental rights "under the colour of law" is a criminal offence in US federal law. The dual rights to ethical practice of law and ethical government are fundamental rights in any society based on the rule of law.
Who says crime doesn't pay?
This isn't even considering some of the more fundamental problems in the Bill. For example, how is government going to determine "the rates and terms that would have been negotiated in the marketplace between a willing buyer and a willing seller"? I'm especially concerned about the word "terms": how do we make sure the "terms" involved do not violate fundamental rights in a legal climate where unethical practice of law is the norm and where the legal profession has a MASSIVE conflict of interest with respect to the scope of contract law.
And why is having a court decide these values somehow better then just having a simple rule for ALL musical works based upon the age of the work (perhaps letting contract rule for 10 years, and using a fixed percentage of the gross for any work more than 10 years old?
And why are the courts involved at all? By this law, we are now going to force people to spend LOTs of money hiring lawyers to appear before courts to determine these rate and terms -
We need some sort of reform. I don't know what's best.
I'd think thirty years is enough. Maybe one that goes for life with the royalties being halved every so often.
How about this? If Disney wants forever-copyrights, how about decriminalizing non-commercial copyright infringement?
Oh, I know! How about just giving Disney special protection, and everyone else normal copyright? Although, that'd be unfair.
Q: What did the pro-Trump AC say to the anti-Trump AC?
A: Who gives a fuck?
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