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Bizarre Particles Keep Flying Out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics (livescience.com)
There's something mysterious coming up from the frozen ground in Antarctica, and it could break physics as we know it. From a report: Physicists don't know what it is exactly. But they do know it's some sort of cosmic ray -- a high-energy particle that's blasted its way through space, into the Earth, and back out again. But the particles physicists know about -- the collection of particles that make up what scientists call the Standard Model (SM) of particle physics -- shouldn't be able to do that.
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected. But high-energy neutrinos, as well as other high-energy particles, have "large cross-sections." That means that they'll almost always crash into something soon after zipping into the Earth and never make it out the other side. And yet, since March 2016, researchers have been puzzling over two events in Antarctica where cosmic rays did burst out from the Earth, and were detected by NASA's Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA) -- a balloon-borne antenna drifting over the southern continent.
ANITA is designed to hunt cosmic rays from outer space, so the high-energy neutrino community was buzzing with excitement when the instrument detected particles that seemed to be blasting up from Earth instead of zooming down from space. Because cosmic rays shouldn't do that, scientists began to wonder whether these mysterious beams are made of particles never seen before. Since then, physicists have proposed all sorts of explanations for these "upward going" cosmic rays, from sterile neutrinos (neutrinos that rarely ever bang into matter) to "atypical dark matter distributions inside the Earth," referencing the mysterious form of matter that doesn't interact with light.
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected. But high-energy neutrinos, as well as other high-energy particles, have "large cross-sections." That means that they'll almost always crash into something soon after zipping into the Earth and never make it out the other side. And yet, since March 2016, researchers have been puzzling over two events in Antarctica where cosmic rays did burst out from the Earth, and were detected by NASA's Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA) -- a balloon-borne antenna drifting over the southern continent.
ANITA is designed to hunt cosmic rays from outer space, so the high-energy neutrino community was buzzing with excitement when the instrument detected particles that seemed to be blasting up from Earth instead of zooming down from space. Because cosmic rays shouldn't do that, scientists began to wonder whether these mysterious beams are made of particles never seen before. Since then, physicists have proposed all sorts of explanations for these "upward going" cosmic rays, from sterile neutrinos (neutrinos that rarely ever bang into matter) to "atypical dark matter distributions inside the Earth," referencing the mysterious form of matter that doesn't interact with light.
But the particles physicists know about -- the collection of particles that make up what scientists call the Standard Model (SM) of particle physics -- shouldn't be able to do that.
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected.
Why does author contradict theirself in the very next sentence?
Anyway this is interesting news.
How do instruments detect which direction single particles are coming from?
The Lizard People are coming to greet us! All hail the Great Lizard.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Whatever.
they figured out the 7th chevron...
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Just remember: we told you so
I mean, small particles coming out of the Antartic ice. Maybe they're alien and will slowly take on human shapes to terrorize any researchers there.
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1) Originating from within the Earth's crust.
2) Bouncing off something in the Earth's crust.
3) Leaking through the Earth from an undetected particle beam impact on the other side, originating deep in space.
Who wants to bet on one?
but it was aliens
Yog-Sothoth is the gate.
Yog-Sothoth is the key.
I wonder how this relates to the findings that are staring to become apparent at CERN/LHC showing unusual decays for (I believe if I recall correctly - please correct me if I am mistaken) muons into electrons (or perhaps it was the other way, I'll have to see if I can locate the reference)? I read an article recently claiming that they are approaching 5-sigma on something they originally thought was just an experimental apparatus artifact but now is strongly believed to be "New Physics"? Could these two things be related?
In this case, it's coming out of Montana's butt.
Table-ized A.I.
That's no moon.........its a space station.
Nobody of my generation is surprised by this news. Ever since we saw The Thing we've been expecting it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0...
https://futurism.com/measureme....
Now, it appears I was mistaken, they are somewhere between a 2.5 and 4 sigma, but, it is still under study. Interesting? Someone qualified care to comment?
They we shouldn't store modern physics above Antarctica! Who's bright idea was it to put it there in the first place?
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
What if melting ice capes are not what we think they are? What if global warming is the effect rather than the cause? What if those "upward going" particles are a sign that something is happening in the mantle deep under the North Pole, causing nuclear disturbance, ejecting matter and increasing the global temperature as the result?
I'm not saying there is anything happening there and surely some of you will doubt my sanity but is it really such an implausible theory? We only managed to probe a tiny fraction of the crust. On the other hand, we know how violent and unpredictable other planets can be.
What if the end is actually near?
Well, the secret is out ... Lord Godzilla is due to emerge this year, we've been keeping it as a surprise.
Surprise!!
Well, I guess we know where that faulty cable that skewed the first OPERA results https://science.slashdot.org/s... ended up.
The intern they hired to mount the sensor on the pole skipped the part about "This end up"
Some kind of particle we don't fully understand, emitted from a very remote location we aren't expecting human activity in.
Classified base using classified technology?
Montanna's butt or Stewart's butt?
She's the same person you know.
Imagine the Garden of Eden is under all that ice. It's protected by the angel Jophiel. Either Jophiel or his sword is emitting particles we haven't seen since before the birth of science. Or one of the forbidden trees is putting out the particles. With the current president, I could almost believe in an end times scenario...
Get to twenty at least before you tell the press.
1 event - keep it to yourself but have a look see. ... ... ... ...
2 events - tell your office mate and see if you are doing it wrong.
20 events - put out a paper and get some other people to help you look at this.6 if you work at Ice Cube
2 years and much confirmation later. Tell the science press
Hell freezes over.
Put it on slashdot.
Obviously tachyons -- since they travel backwards through time they would be observed as traveling upwards.
Itâ(TM)s the reptilian mothership frozen in the Antarctic ice for millennia about to be freed by their engineered global warming! It is well known reptilians need the heat and their terraforming to free the ship and provide a suitable habitat is almost here!
About 75% (26 of 35) of the Senate seats up for re-election are held by Democrats. The odds are good that the Republicans pick up at least one.
Obama was right, there are 57 states ;-)
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This may be the leading edge of a UFO disclosure.
A true one or a false flag ?
If it leads to a war or a NWO, I would bet false flag.
If it's true, things are about to get weird & wild.
I am hoping for the best, free energy, space travel & freedom.
The German WW2 base must still be going strong. Maybe having Shogoth trouble near the mountains of madness?
I must be paranoid but the only thing I can think of is this being used as an excuse. I don't disagree it's interesting nor that it shouldn't be studied but given our current climate (no pun intended); I am skeptical about not only the ramifications but logistics of doing so.
The Arctic poles and Oceans serve as DMZs for a reason. When you have countries willing to drag sheets of ice to sell water or build Islands to claim it extends their coast line, they won't give a damn what happens to the Environment in the process.
You just took the hollow Earth and Agartha theories and put your religion on it. Nothing novel, sorry.
Apparently they are coming from the direction of the North Pole, through the South Pole ..
Neutrinos are leptons (like the electron) but have no charge. This means that they cannot interact via the electromagnetic force like every other matter-like particle (fermion). Instead, they can only interact via the weak interaction.
We have known for several decades that the electromagnetic and weak interactions are really two aspects of the same electroweak force. What makes the weak force different from the electromagnetic force is that the carriers of the weak force, the W and Z bosons, have large masses ~90 times that of a proton whereas the electromagnetic force is transmitted by massles photons.
At low energies when particles collide there is not enough energy to create "real" (on-shell) W and Z bosons and so it is extremely rare that particles will interact via the weak force at low energy. So, if this is the ONLY way you have to interact you basically hardly every interact at all. This is what happens for low energy neutrinos.
However, at _really_ high energy - about 10,000 times or more the energy of a proton in the Large Hadron Collider - collisions of neutrinos with matter have enough energy to create real W and Z bosons. When this happens the chance of a weak interaction starts to become similar to that of an electromagnetic interaction and neutrinos can no longer pass through the Earth.
Maybe a slow and uncommon type of fusion at the Earths core.
Add a little Helium 3 and get a Fusion event every few seconds.
Actually, you might be a lot closer than you thought to a possible explanation (not the alien bit but the mutation), assuming these observations are confirmed. We already now that neutrinos oscillate between different flavours as they travel - or as you put it "mutate". However, all the known flavours interact via the weak force which, at these insanely high energies, is no longer very weak at all.
One way around having all the high energy neutrinos interacting with the Earth is something called a sterile neutrino. This is a hypothetical new "flavour" of neutrino which does not interact at all. Some experiments have claimed to observe evidence for them but I think it is fair to say that many of us particle physicists remain rather unconvinced by the data so far.
However, if these sterile neutrinos do exist then they may allow neutrinos to survive passage through the Earth even at realy high energies. Essentialy a high energy neutrino "mutates" into a sterile neutrino, flies through the Earth and then mutates back into a known-flavour of neutrino, interacts in the ice and is picked up by ANITA.
There are a lot of ifs involved at this stage. The first thing is that we need to confirm (or not) ANITA's observation and interestingly (at least for those of us who work on it!) the IceCube experiment is probably in one of the best positions to do this. If confirmed then things will get a lot more interesting but while you are waiting for that expect lots of crazy ideas (like yours but with equations) from theorists trying to explain it!
The age of Cthulu is upon us.
Mars: "Psst, Earthie, you realize you have funny particles spewing out of your ice hole? See a doctor, 'kay?"
Table-ized A.I.
There's only one law of quantum mechanics: Whenever you think you've wrapped your head around a concept, it gets weirder.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That's a lot of smegma
I am willing to bet our plants molten core dynamo has something to do with this phenomenon. Possibly radiation enters the earth's north pole, interacts with the earth's dynamo and is spewed out through the earth's south pole ?
Did they get an accurate vector measurement or just a 'sort of up' instead of 'sort of down' measurement of the cosmic ray? One possibility to rule out is that the rays didn't travel through the bulk of the Earth, but just cut secants through a small portion of the Earth and then up into the detector. Didn't see this addressed in TFA. If these are coming in at a large angle from perpendicular, then this might not 'break' anything. If not, this would reinforce that this is something interesting.
Third impact. Coming soon. Shinji get in the giant fucking hosts file.
I for one welcome our new theorcratic overlords. Weâ(TM)ve seen how well it goes in the Middle East, why not here??
1. Drone weapons platform with working zero point module
2. Buried stargate
Particles we're not familiar with emanating from a very remote, secluded location. Stray emissions picked up from a classified base, perhaps?
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected.
The rule of thumb I learned was that a neutrino has a 50/50 chance of penetrating half a light-year of Lead. But I had a questionable teacher.
The particles are literally following a line dictated by gravity.
Think of a water strider's feet sitting on the surface of water. The surface tension prevents the foot from penetrating the surface but also creates a lens that allows light to bend around it creating a distortion effect wherever you see the feet touching the surface.
Now imagine the model of gravity demonstrated by placing a heavy object in the center of a diaphragm causing the diaphragm to distort. This demonstrates gravity in only 3 dimensions sense we can't interpret a fourth, but it shows the effect of matter within a given space.
Much like light bending around the strider's feet on water, particles are likely interacting with matter in the same way that aren't breaking through the surface tension of 4 dimensional space. In other words, the particles are traveling around the 4th dimensional surface but appear to be moving through it.
has anyone considered the ramifications of breaking the surface tension of 4th dimensional space?
Particles are coming from underground national socialist Neuschwabenland state.
Pardon my presumed ignorance.
Doesn't this suggest whatever has been found is influenced more by the Earth Magnetic field than by its gravitational fields?
If not, can somebody explain why?
Isn't it weird if this only happens in Antarctica? But if it happens everywhere and nobody noticed before, isn't that weird?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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And yet I'm the first to point out that these readings (obviously false) are planted by the sophons?
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Isn't it weird if this only happens in Antarctica?
No, that is just the Streetlight effect. The ice in Antarctica makes an ideal medium for detecting these particles so it is not surprising that we see them there.
Just a thought... Could these be some form of anti-particles, for which time or space folds the other way around, causing them to be observed moving backwards. I.e. they are actually coming from outer space, although our perception leads us to believe they come from us?