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Bizarre Particles Keep Flying Out of Antarctica's Ice, and They Might Shatter Modern Physics (livescience.com)
There's something mysterious coming up from the frozen ground in Antarctica, and it could break physics as we know it. From a report: Physicists don't know what it is exactly. But they do know it's some sort of cosmic ray -- a high-energy particle that's blasted its way through space, into the Earth, and back out again. But the particles physicists know about -- the collection of particles that make up what scientists call the Standard Model (SM) of particle physics -- shouldn't be able to do that.
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected. But high-energy neutrinos, as well as other high-energy particles, have "large cross-sections." That means that they'll almost always crash into something soon after zipping into the Earth and never make it out the other side. And yet, since March 2016, researchers have been puzzling over two events in Antarctica where cosmic rays did burst out from the Earth, and were detected by NASA's Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA) -- a balloon-borne antenna drifting over the southern continent.
ANITA is designed to hunt cosmic rays from outer space, so the high-energy neutrino community was buzzing with excitement when the instrument detected particles that seemed to be blasting up from Earth instead of zooming down from space. Because cosmic rays shouldn't do that, scientists began to wonder whether these mysterious beams are made of particles never seen before. Since then, physicists have proposed all sorts of explanations for these "upward going" cosmic rays, from sterile neutrinos (neutrinos that rarely ever bang into matter) to "atypical dark matter distributions inside the Earth," referencing the mysterious form of matter that doesn't interact with light.
Sure, there are low-energy neutrinos that can pierce through miles upon miles of rock unaffected. But high-energy neutrinos, as well as other high-energy particles, have "large cross-sections." That means that they'll almost always crash into something soon after zipping into the Earth and never make it out the other side. And yet, since March 2016, researchers have been puzzling over two events in Antarctica where cosmic rays did burst out from the Earth, and were detected by NASA's Antarctic Impulsive Transient Antenna (ANITA) -- a balloon-borne antenna drifting over the southern continent.
ANITA is designed to hunt cosmic rays from outer space, so the high-energy neutrino community was buzzing with excitement when the instrument detected particles that seemed to be blasting up from Earth instead of zooming down from space. Because cosmic rays shouldn't do that, scientists began to wonder whether these mysterious beams are made of particles never seen before. Since then, physicists have proposed all sorts of explanations for these "upward going" cosmic rays, from sterile neutrinos (neutrinos that rarely ever bang into matter) to "atypical dark matter distributions inside the Earth," referencing the mysterious form of matter that doesn't interact with light.
"Miles and miles" as stated != the diameter of the Earth, which is thousands and thousands of miles. You misread a vague sentence, it's going to happen in physics reporting to a lay audience.
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Low-energy neutrinos = pass through
High-energy neutrinos = bounce off everything, BUT we are seeing them coming from our planet. So if they are not bouncing off things, then are they being generated? or what is the mechanism that makes them appear to be coming from the planet.?
Direction of travel is determined similar to following a traveller who has a strobe light attached. When you identify the spot you see the light initially, then the same light shows up awhile later at another spot, you can determine the back-azimuth to the originating dot. (collector is large enough to see 2 or more interactions within the collection material)
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Okay, if it's not a contradiction, then it's plain wrong. Neutrinos go through the diameter of the Earth all the time.
I mean, small particles coming out of the Antartic ice. Maybe they're alien and will slowly take on human shapes to terrorize any researchers there.
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1) Originating from within the Earth's crust.
2) Bouncing off something in the Earth's crust.
3) Leaking through the Earth from an undetected particle beam impact on the other side, originating deep in space.
Who wants to bet on one?
but it was aliens
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I wonder how this relates to the findings that are staring to become apparent at CERN/LHC showing unusual decays for (I believe if I recall correctly - please correct me if I am mistaken) muons into electrons (or perhaps it was the other way, I'll have to see if I can locate the reference)? I read an article recently claiming that they are approaching 5-sigma on something they originally thought was just an experimental apparatus artifact but now is strongly believed to be "New Physics"? Could these two things be related?
In this case, it's coming out of Montana's butt.
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Nobody of my generation is surprised by this news. Ever since we saw The Thing we've been expecting it.
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Now, it appears I was mistaken, they are somewhere between a 2.5 and 4 sigma, but, it is still under study. Interesting? Someone qualified care to comment?
They we shouldn't store modern physics above Antarctica! Who's bright idea was it to put it there in the first place?
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
What if melting ice capes are not what we think they are? What if global warming is the effect rather than the cause? What if those "upward going" particles are a sign that something is happening in the mantle deep under the North Pole, causing nuclear disturbance, ejecting matter and increasing the global temperature as the result?
I'm not saying there is anything happening there and surely some of you will doubt my sanity but is it really such an implausible theory? We only managed to probe a tiny fraction of the crust. On the other hand, we know how violent and unpredictable other planets can be.
What if the end is actually near?
http://cds.cern.ch/record/374272/files/9812262.pdf
The penetration of ultrahigh energy neutrinos through the Earth, with energies E greater
than 10 TeV or so, can be strongly affected by neutrino interactions with matter. This is due
to the increase of neutrino cross sections with energy. At these ultrahigh energies we have
significant attenuation of the neutrino fluxes on transversing through the Earth and, indeed,
complete absorption for energies above about 108 GeV or so, depending on the nadir angle of
the neutrino beam. Realistic estimates of these effects are crucial for predicting the number of
neutrinos reaching the large km3 scale detectors after penetration through the Earth. Clearly
the magnitude of this ultrahigh energy neutrino flux has important implications for neutrino
astronomy. For example, it is hoped that the neutrino flux coming through the Earth will point
back to its Active Galactic Nuclei (AGN) origin [1]. Clearly the magnitude of the signal, and
the ability of the Earth to reduce the background due to atmospheric neutrinos, are crucial in
this exciting endeavour.
Well, I guess we know where that faulty cable that skewed the first OPERA results https://science.slashdot.org/s... ended up.
The intern they hired to mount the sensor on the pole skipped the part about "This end up"
Obviously tachyons -- since they travel backwards through time they would be observed as traveling upwards.
Itâ(TM)s the reptilian mothership frozen in the Antarctic ice for millennia about to be freed by their engineered global warming! It is well known reptilians need the heat and their terraforming to free the ship and provide a suitable habitat is almost here!
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I suspect they might have thought of that though, as in scientific terms this is known as FUCKING OBVIOUS
Is it implausible that a part of neutrinos could have just the right energy to collide with matter after passing through Earth "almost once"? I thought the same thing held for other particles, and that by giving them the right energy, you could achieve a desired penetration depth.
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Apparently they are coming from the direction of the North Pole, through the South Pole ..
Neutrinos are leptons (like the electron) but have no charge. This means that they cannot interact via the electromagnetic force like every other matter-like particle (fermion). Instead, they can only interact via the weak interaction.
We have known for several decades that the electromagnetic and weak interactions are really two aspects of the same electroweak force. What makes the weak force different from the electromagnetic force is that the carriers of the weak force, the W and Z bosons, have large masses ~90 times that of a proton whereas the electromagnetic force is transmitted by massles photons.
At low energies when particles collide there is not enough energy to create "real" (on-shell) W and Z bosons and so it is extremely rare that particles will interact via the weak force at low energy. So, if this is the ONLY way you have to interact you basically hardly every interact at all. This is what happens for low energy neutrinos.
However, at _really_ high energy - about 10,000 times or more the energy of a proton in the Large Hadron Collider - collisions of neutrinos with matter have enough energy to create real W and Z bosons. When this happens the chance of a weak interaction starts to become similar to that of an electromagnetic interaction and neutrinos can no longer pass through the Earth.
Maybe a slow and uncommon type of fusion at the Earths core.
Add a little Helium 3 and get a Fusion event every few seconds.
Actually, you might be a lot closer than you thought to a possible explanation (not the alien bit but the mutation), assuming these observations are confirmed. We already now that neutrinos oscillate between different flavours as they travel - or as you put it "mutate". However, all the known flavours interact via the weak force which, at these insanely high energies, is no longer very weak at all.
One way around having all the high energy neutrinos interacting with the Earth is something called a sterile neutrino. This is a hypothetical new "flavour" of neutrino which does not interact at all. Some experiments have claimed to observe evidence for them but I think it is fair to say that many of us particle physicists remain rather unconvinced by the data so far.
However, if these sterile neutrinos do exist then they may allow neutrinos to survive passage through the Earth even at realy high energies. Essentialy a high energy neutrino "mutates" into a sterile neutrino, flies through the Earth and then mutates back into a known-flavour of neutrino, interacts in the ice and is picked up by ANITA.
There are a lot of ifs involved at this stage. The first thing is that we need to confirm (or not) ANITA's observation and interestingly (at least for those of us who work on it!) the IceCube experiment is probably in one of the best positions to do this. If confirmed then things will get a lot more interesting but while you are waiting for that expect lots of crazy ideas (like yours but with equations) from theorists trying to explain it!
Mars: "Psst, Earthie, you realize you have funny particles spewing out of your ice hole? See a doctor, 'kay?"
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Surprised you're the only one who brought this up. The literature quotient of slashdot subscribers has fallen.
Have you tried the "Antarctic Express" by Kenneth Hite?
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I am willing to bet our plants molten core dynamo has something to do with this phenomenon. Possibly radiation enters the earth's north pole, interacts with the earth's dynamo and is spewed out through the earth's south pole ?
Did they get an accurate vector measurement or just a 'sort of up' instead of 'sort of down' measurement of the cosmic ray? One possibility to rule out is that the rays didn't travel through the bulk of the Earth, but just cut secants through a small portion of the Earth and then up into the detector. Didn't see this addressed in TFA. If these are coming in at a large angle from perpendicular, then this might not 'break' anything. If not, this would reinforce that this is something interesting.
Pardon my presumed ignorance.
Doesn't this suggest whatever has been found is influenced more by the Earth Magnetic field than by its gravitational fields?
If not, can somebody explain why?
Maybe there's a hole or a tunnel.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Perhaps you should have read a little further where it clarifies that. Did your finger get tired?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Isn't it weird if this only happens in Antarctica? But if it happens everywhere and nobody noticed before, isn't that weird?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
And yet I'm the first to point out that these readings (obviously false) are planted by the sophons?
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Isn't it weird if this only happens in Antarctica?
No, that is just the Streetlight effect. The ice in Antarctica makes an ideal medium for detecting these particles so it is not surprising that we see them there.