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Sunglasses That Block All the Screens Around You (wired.com)

Scott Blew, an entrepreneur and engineer, recalled an article he'd recently read in WIRED about a new kind of film that blocked the light emitted from screens. He wondered if the same technology might work on a pair of glasses, to block the screens that seemed to be everywhere. From a report: He contacted Steelcase, the company that made the Casper screen-blocking film, and ordered a sample. Then he popped out the lenses in a pair of cheap sunglasses and replaced them with the film. Amazingly, it worked: Blew could look through the lenses and see everything -- except for screens, which turned black. Now, Blew and a small team are turning that concept into a real product. Their IRL Glasses, which launched on Kickstarter this week, block the wavelengths of light that comes from LED and LCD screens. Put them on and the TV in the sports bar seems to switch off; billboards blinking ahead seem to go blank. Within three days of launch, the project had surpassed its funding goal of $25,000.

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  1. Wavelength by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    block the wavelengths of light that comes from LED and LCD

    Has nothing to do with wavelength, but with polarization of the light. Anybody who has looked at screens with polarizing sunglasses is familiar with the effect.

    1. Re:Wavelength by Spamalope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. They've discovered polarized sunglasses! Genius!

      Color is how we distinguish light frequency. That's what color is!

      I think they're ready for a kickstarter! Who could you trust more!?! Maybe they could add something about solar roadway glasses so we know they're 100% legit and know what they're talking about.

    2. Re:Wavelength by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have prescription polarized sunglasses (damned good ones, too). No, it doesn't work this way. Yeah, half the screens will go dark, being polarized one way. The other half will be largely unaffected. Which half depends on which way the glasses are polarized. The effect also varies with the angle at which you're viewing the screen. I regularly see screens dim, then brighten back up, as I walk by.

      The only way to do this with polarization would be have two layers, at 90 degree angles. Which would render you completely blind, as no light of any kind would get through.

    3. Re:Wavelength by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1. Most screens are polarized the same way to mostly get along with polarized sunglasses, but there is still a good 10-15% of screens that are in portrait orientation. Higher end smartphones clearly have had effort into making them work with polarized glasses. most iphones have funny tints to the colors as you rotate them, but are always readable. My mid-range Moto X4 however disappears when in portrait mode, which sucks for taking pictures on a sunny day (when will manufacturers just put in a square sensor and let me choose the format before or after taking a picture?!?!).

    4. Re:Wavelength by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      They use different angle of polarization, that's all. There is no way they can block out the wavelengths, because TFT displays work with fairly wide filters.

    5. Re:Wavelength by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      So their glasses only work with 85-90% of the displays.

    6. Re:Wavelength by phayes · · Score: 1

      Quite correct. These polarized glasses will do nothing for OLED screens like my TV nor for giant LED screens like Jumbotrons common in sports arenas and more and more common elsewhere as they don't use polarized light to turn pixels on/off.

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    7. Re:Wavelength by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've discovered polarized sunglasses! Genius!

      Nah. They've discovered a way to sucker hundreds of people out of $40 or more for a pair of cheap sunglasses and get free advertising that will probably get even more idiots to jump on the bandwagon before the kickstarter campaign is over.

    8. Re:Wavelength by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      Color is how we distinguish light frequency. That's what color is!

      Who said anything about frequency? These glasses filter by wavelength, not frequency. Totally different thing.

    9. Re:Wavelength by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Yeah, half the screens will go dark, being polarized one way. The other half will be largely unaffected.

      Obvious solution: Just tilt your head 90 degrees.

    10. Re:Wavelength by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Fun fact, Infiniti infotainment displays for late model G-series as well as early Q50s had their polarization filters oriented such that if wore polarized sun glasses your displays would be nearly black (unless you tilted your head of course...). Thankfully someone finally got the memo and fixed it--for my 2018 Q50 at least.

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    11. Re:Wavelength by lgw · · Score: 1

      While I doubt the glasses work this way, most modern screens emit light only at 3 specific frequencies. I don't think every screen sticks that close to the same 3 frequencies, though (in particular, I think wide color gamut monitors are different).

      OTOH, not all LCD screens are mounted with the same polarization, but I guess "most screens" is good enough.

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    12. Re: Wavelength by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, they do. There is no reason for using wavelengths outside the maximum sensitivity of each color receptor i the eye. Specialty screens may be different, but they're rare, especially in public.
      The tech exists. Two examples:
      One type of 3D cinema works by using two slightly shifted RGB images, and having glass for each eye that only blocks the wavelengths of the other image.
      A type of projector screen looks black in daylight because it reflects only the three specific wavelengths used by projectors.

    13. Re:Wavelength by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Theoretically, there could also be circular polarization like in some 3D movie systems, but my guess is that this is cost prohibitive compared to parallel linear polarization. If using circular/chiral polarization, the blocking glasses would work regardless of how you tilt your head, but would not work at all on reflections of a screen. It would make a house of mirrors interesting...

    14. Re:Wavelength by religionofpeas · · Score: 2, Interesting

      most modern screens emit light only at 3 specific frequencies

      Only OLEDs do that (and they don't work with these glasses).

      Normal TFT LCD screens use white backlight and 3 different colored filters. The filters are fairly wide band (easier to make and also better for increased brightness). The white backlight spectrum differs based on the light source. Older screens used fluorescent CCFL bulbs with fairly narrow spectral lines, but they had quite many, and the position depends on the phosphor mixture. Newer screens use white LEDs (typically blue/UV LED + yellow phosphor) with wide spectrum.

    15. Re:Wavelength by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Color is how we distinguish light frequency. That's what color is!

      Who said anything about frequency? These glasses filter by wavelength, not frequency. Totally different thing.

      LOL.

      For those who are missing the joke: frequency * wavelength = speed of light = constant

      The speed of light is not constant. You don't need to take my word for it, it's in the bible:

      “Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember that the refractive index showeth the varying speed of light in different materials and the covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

    16. Re:Wavelength by hankwang · · Score: 1

      Most screens are polarized at 45 degrees, so they work with polarizing sunglasses (which transmit vertically polarized light) both in landscape and portrait orientation. Not sure though whether it's standardized to 45 deg to the left or to the right.

    17. Re: Wavelength by lgw · · Score: 2

      There is no reason for using wavelengths outside the maximum sensitivity of each color receptor i the eye. Specialty screens may be different, but they're rare, especially in public.

      No reason other than accurate color presentation. Sure, most LCD screens optimize for efficiency, which is why LCD has a bad rep among TV snobs. There are wide color gamut LCD monitors available, though, and they're pretty standard for anyone who works with color professionally.

      No screen will show you the extremes of red or violet of human vision, but you can get pretty close without the extreme inefficiency of trying to show the entire spectrum, and that's enough to make colors appear lifelike. As OLED screens become the norm, however, the term "wide color gamut" may vanish, and just leave people wondering why those old screens looked so bad.

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    18. Re:Wavelength by eriks · · Score: 1

      ...no light of any kind would get through.

      So almost like Peril Sensitive Sunglasses:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      !!!

    19. Re:Wavelength by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I was literally scratching my head as I read this, wondering if they never heard about polarizing sunglasses. It's true that they fell out of vogue in middle to late 2000s, specifically because LCD screens finally made their breakthrough then. But if you go do anything related to sea, you still want them to reduce glare from the surface.

      It tells you just how gullible people are that this thing is already funded on kickstarter. The "inventor" is going to cash in well, considering polarizing glasses can be had for next to nothing from manufacturers.

    20. Re:Wavelength by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I can see the argument for people in humanities.

    21. Re:Wavelength by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Do you know who's the most hated person in any company?

      He who explains the jokes.

    22. Re:Wavelength by powerlord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering the Team page ends with:

      "In Memory of Levi Felix, Co-Founder of Digital Detox and Camp Grounded, whose passion and prankster spirit continually inspires us"

      and that the people leading the project are "Scott Blew" and "Ivan Cash" (so they're even telling you that you "Blew Cash" on the product) I would lean more towards this being a mild scam or an Andy Kaufman style hoax.

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    23. Re:Wavelength by lgw · · Score: 1

      OLED screens tend to have a wider color gamut, though. Maybe that's just because OLED is still mostly high-end, but I hope it sticks.

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    24. Re: Wavelength by fisted · · Score: 1

      As OLED screens become the norm, however, the term "wide color gamut" may vanish, and just leave people wondering why those old screens looked so bad.

      Yeah and with OLED screens, people will be left wondering why their few-years-old OLED screen looks so bad...

    25. Re:Wavelength by locopuyo · · Score: 2

      The OLEDs in TVs actually use white oleds for each subpixel with color filters over them (LG makes all the panels). In most phones they use different colored oleds.

    26. Re: Wavelength by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Is the speed of light in space a constant? Does it get affected by gravity? If i try jumping upwards my velocity decreases to zero and then instsrt falling. Does a black hole affect light velocity?

      Outer space is part of the Firmanent, and God was pretty clear that humans shouldn't be messing with that, so that question is best left unanswered.

      Psalm 115:6 - "The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s: but the earth hath he given to the children of men."

    27. Re:Wavelength by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      People? In the humanities?

      "Humanoids", I'll grant. But before they can claim personhood they'll need to pass some basic "captcha"-like tests to prove that they're not robots, arts students etc.

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    28. Re:Wavelength by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Your comment is a good filter of who should be on /., and who should not.

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    29. Re:Wavelength by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      block the wavelengths of light that comes from LED and LCD

      Has nothing to do with wavelength, but with polarization of the light. Anybody who has looked at screens with polarizing sunglasses is familiar with the effect.

      Exactly, which to be fair they are honest about on the Kickstarter page:

      RL Glasses block LCD/LED screens through horizontal polarized optics (we found out about this after coming across a 2017 WIRED article). By flattening and rotating the polarized lens 90 degrees, light emitted by LCD/LED screens is blocked, making it look like the TV or computer in front of you is off.

      IRL Glasses are in beta. This means they are compatible with most TVs (LCD/LED) and some computers (LCD/LED). IRL glasses do not yet block smartphones or digital billboards (OLED).

      Of course that doesn't prevent the OMG SCREEN BLOCKING GLASSES headlines that clickbait rags like Wired are throwing around.

      It reminds me of a "privacy monitor" I saw some time ago, where you remove the polarizing film from a monitor and put it on a pair of glasses. You see the normal display and everyone else sees a blinding white screen.

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    30. Re: Wavelength by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Is the speed of light in space a constant? Does it get affected by gravity? If i try jumping upwards my velocity decreases to zero and then instsrt falling. Does a black hole affect light velocity?

      Yes and no...Light goes the same speed everywhere, it's time that changes.... OR maybe it's the other way around?

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    31. Re:Wavelength by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a bit fishy. If it was about wavelength people with certain coloured pants would appear as floating torsos.

      Also, it would appear that I've never worn polarized sunglasses since LCD screens became common. I couldn't even find any of my camera bags so I went ferreting around for a piece of polarising film I knew was inside a book and it's true. 45 degrees left on the two screens I have to hand.

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    32. Re:Wavelength by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well done but to subtle

      ... or not to subtle; that is the question.

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    33. Re:Wavelength by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "So their glasses only work with 85-90% of the displays."

      Indeed. So if you want to use them to block out the screens of those damn kids in the movies, don't go where the rich kids hang out with their 1000$ OLED phones.

    34. Re:Wavelength by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      polarizing sunglasses (which transmit vertically polarized light)

      I thought they blocked it, which is how they cut glare from snow, wet roads etc?

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    35. Re:Wavelength by gnick · · Score: 1

      If it was about wavelength people with certain coloured pants would appear as floating torsos.

      Pretty sure it would make it look like they were wearing black pants. If it made the lower half of their torso transparent, this tech would be MUCH more exciting.

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    36. Re:Wavelength by Gabest · · Score: 1

      Let there be light *** (followed by a hundred page long addendum about the properties of light)

    37. Re:Wavelength by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I only hang out in places with black walls, you insensitive clod!

      OK, I'm lying. Was a metal kid, not a goth.

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    38. Re:Wavelength by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Has nothing to do with wavelength, but with polarization of the light. Anybody who has looked at screens with polarizing sunglasses is familiar with the effect.

      Anybody who has looked at screens with polarizing sunglasses is also familiar with the effect being completely hit and miss as there's no standard direction as to how to apply a polariser on a screen.

      There is however a relatively standard set of primaries that make up normal sRGB monitors, and the manufacturer claims they are using notch filters, but you seem to be more intimately familiar with the product right?

    39. Re:Wavelength by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Informative

      The details are really hard to come by. I guess I should have clicked on the Kickstarter link first, where they do say things like "The polarization is TAC 1.1, Cat 3, UV 400" and "IRL Glasses block LCD/LED screens through horizontal polarized optics".

      Instead, like the last time Slashdot ran this story, I thought to myself "surely they didn't just discover polarization." So, instead of Kickstarter, I clicked on the link to "Casper screen-blocking film." Which, by the way, they literally refer to as "cloaking technology." The intro video describes the "inventor" as suddenly remembering something from childhood and "testing his theory about light." The text "polar" is nowhere to be found. The few seconds in the video devoted to how it actually works claims "physics, science, and a little of this *space shuttle launches*". This isn't for sunglasses, by the way, it's "architectural film" for putting on open glass conference rooms so that people walking by can't see the screens inside.

      The 7-page Designtex Casper Cloaking Technology Process Overview PDF does not contain the text "polar." But under the section about "validating monitors", it talks about mounting your monitor either "regular," or rotated 90 degrees, but not rotated 45 degrees! They also show a layout diagram and point out that people viewing through glass that is angled 45 degrees to the screen, or people near the wall and viewing almost from the side, will still be able to partially see it.

      So, yeah, it's polarization, and for some unknown reason, as if polarization is not some widely-known thing, the design company goes to pretty far lengths to not use the word "polarization."

      Here's the list they specifically say it won't "cloak":

      Microsoft Surface Hubs
      Cisco Spark Board
      Direct LED displays
      Passive 3D displays
      OLED displays
      Plasma displays
      CRT monitors and displays
      Prysm Laser Phosphorous
      Displays (LPDs)
      Smart Kapp white boards
      Traditional white boards
      Projection devices

      It will "cloak":

      Most LED displays 40” and
      larger
      Telepresence and media:scape
      units
      Google Jamboard

      And it may "cloak":

      Small computer monitors
      Laptop computers
      Notebook computers
      Touchscreen computers and
      kiosk displays
      Displays mounted behind glass

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    40. Re:Wavelength by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      OLEDs have a wider gamut precisely because of what the GP was saying, the primary colours are more pure.

    41. Re:Wavelength by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Book of Armaments. Which translation are you using?

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    42. Re: Wavelength by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Yes and no...Light goes the same speed everywhere, it's time that changes....

      So when you put on your eyeglasses, your brain runs slower?

    43. Re:Wavelength by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I can see most LCD monitors at work mostly fine with my polarized sun glasses. Only a rare few are nearly pitch black and that goes away if I tilt my head at all. Even at home I have to rotate my glasses 45 degrees to make it dark enough to not easily read. Even the slightest misalignment and I can read my screen.

      In my very limited experience, I've seen many different polarization orientations. There's no way a polarization based filter will universally work.

    44. Re:Wavelength by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      +25

    45. Re:Wavelength by kriston · · Score: 1

      Not only was I sporting polarized sunglasses in the mid-1980s, I had a telephoto DSLR lens with a polarized filter.

      I'm not seeing how every single screen could possibly be "blocked" without constantly tilting your head at different angles.

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    46. Re:Wavelength by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Fun fact, Infiniti infotainment displays for late model G-series as well as early Q50s had their polarization filters oriented such that if wore polarized sun glasses your displays would be nearly black (unless you tilted your head of course...). Thankfully someone finally got the memo and fixed it--for my 2018 Q50 at least.

      Pilots are required to have non-polarized sunglasses for the same reason - many avionics displays have the same issue - they will blank out with polarized sunglasses. And it doesn't matter the plane - be it a 737, A320, or a dinky Cessna, or whatever - all have examples of not working with polarized sunglasses.

    47. Re:Wavelength by epine · · Score: 1

      Most screens are polarized the same way to mostly get along with polarized sunglasses, but there is still a good 10-15% of screens that are in portrait orientation.

      Apparently the 4k generation has never seen a display with a portrait/landscape pivot stand. Because if the display was designed portrait only, they would have fixed the polarization problem (of course, every vendor makes two versions of every panel, just in case someone wants to sell a portrait-only monitor with sunglass-compatible polarization).

      Or maybe they could put screens of opposite polarization on either side (small cost delta for a good cause) but then some clever sot would have to design a pivot mechanism that rotates on the axis of a diagonal with an angle entirely unlike 45 degrees.

      (Then I'd get myself a pair of sunglasses with similar
      I suspect it would be some kind of giant semi-circular C-clamp (affixed to opposite corners). Terry Gilliam could make that look really cool.

      I'd take a Terry Gilliam industrial design over a Jony Ive design any day of the week.

      [*] You could have similar reversible-polarization frame mounts for your bottle-cap sunglasses, too, but just for symmetrical focal-length corrections; this would not work for astigmatism or prisms.

    48. Re:Wavelength by lfourrier · · Score: 1

      as a side note, I recently bought a pair of polarized sunglasses and was surprised discovering it obscure my Samsung smartphone OLED screen (super AMOLED on 2017 A5). I have no idea why Samsung put a polarizing filter on an OLED screen, but there is it.
      So, no cloacking of OLED display seems not an absolute for me.

    49. Re:Wavelength by lgw · · Score: 1

      Color gamut is limited by the highest and lowest peak frequency your monitor emits. The farther apart the red and blue, the more real colors can look. However, it doesn't do much good if your display is wider than your signal. High-end TVs fake it, by making assumptions about how red a "red" pixel in the signal really is, with various results. There is a wide color gamut protocol standards but I don't know whether e.g. a consumer video card and HDMI can make any use of them.

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    50. Re:Wavelength by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Yeah my phone is also polarized, I forget which orientation but if I have my glasses on then the screen won't be visible in one orientation. My phone is a OnePlus with an Optic AMOLED screen with Gorilla Glass covering it.

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    51. Re:Wavelength by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There is a wide color gamut protocol standards [wikipedia.org] but I don't know whether e.g. a consumer video card and HDMI can make any use of them.

      The consumer videocards are completely irrelevant. The software which displays the colours at a certain RGB value and the monitor which interprets them are the only relevant components. Windows and Mac both have colour management that handles this on a basic level. Every half decent multimedia app out there does too including photo viewers, video players, etc. Even Chrome loads my monitor profile* from Windows, though I have to force it through about:config for Firefox.

      *I have a wide gamut monitor which matches AdobeRGB. Without the correct monitor profile installed in Windows the colours look way off.

    52. Re:Wavelength by lgw · · Score: 1

      Well, as soon as you say "RGB values", you've lost a wide color gamut. Your monitor looking off without the right color profile is just a part of the picture, so to speak. The "red" and "blue" in the normal RGB encoding aren't at the ends of the spectrum, as that diagram of standards shows. If any part of the pipe is lossy, obviously the result is lossy. The initial recording, the image format, the rendering, the transmission format, and the monitor must all be wide color gamut, or there's no win.

      And don't get me started on how "pixels" are done wrong everywhere.

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    53. Re:Wavelength by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I think you misunderstand. I say RGB values meaning digital bits describing what to show on the screen on either ends.

      As I said the colour gamut displayable is dependent on the monitor which translates these values to a specific primary.
      The colour being displayed correctly depends on the software knowing where these primaries sit.

      That was what I meant by RGB values. Colour translation is nothing more than understanding what RGB(125,43,10) looks like, and what it should look like. That's why everything has a profile, and software quite easily converts between them.

      This is no different on OLEDs than any other displays. They happily display perfectly accurate colour when fed with software that understands the display profile, and again anything in the chain between the software displaying and the pixel coming up is irrelevant to this (unless it does something silly like downsample to 6 bit on a cheap TN display).

    54. Re: Wavelength by irllabs · · Score: 1

      Interesting! It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. I'm with the team behind the glasses and we're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?

    55. Re:Wavelength by irllabs · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. I'm with the team behind the glasses and we're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?

    56. Re:Wavelength by irllabs · · Score: 1

      Hey lgw, It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. I'm with the team behind the glasses and we're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?

    57. Re:Wavelength by irllabs · · Score: 1

      hey religionofpeas, It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. I'm with the team behind the glasses and we're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?

  2. And what about LED traffic lights? by ravenshrike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Should be amusing the first time they get sued because of a car accident.

    1. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The right to ignore blaring crap is manifest. I thank their inventors and truly and sincerely hope they make millions for their creativity.

      This invention is the bane of marketers everywhere, and I wish the inventors tremendous success. I will buy a pair as soon as they're on the market. Maybe two.

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    2. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by religionofpeas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      LED lights aren't polarized, so the glasses have no effect on them.

    3. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Calydor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Keep an eye out for the ad saying they're available.

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    4. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      Should be amusing the first time they get sued because of a car accident.

      I was thinking the dashboard display on a modern car. There's a lot of critical information on some screens.

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    5. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      LED screens are polarized (that's how these glasses work; they're applying a simple polarized filter). LED lights, which is what the GP was talking about and are what are used at traffic intersections, are not.

    6. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sunglasses are polarized because glare is.

      These glasses are polarized for _maximum_glare_ transmission. Their accident causing potential has nothing to do with traffic lights.

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    7. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, and we're wearing sunglasses.

      Hit it!

    8. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      There are different types of LED screens:
      LED-backlit LCD
      OLED
      Giant LED signs

      Marketing likes to say "LED screen" when they mean "LED-backlit LCD". That doesn't mean it's true in a technical sense. I think that started because actual LED screens were supposed to be the hip new thing after LCDs, but so far I've only seen OLED displays in small devices like feature phones. I wonder what the marketing term will be when OLED or some other LED tech starts to replace larger LCDs.

      Now excuse me while I go back to work with my CCFL screen.

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    9. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by hey! · · Score: 1

      There's nothing magic about LEDs that enables you to block light that comes from them. I suspect these glasses block the exact wavelengths of red, green, and blue used to produce a white backlight for transmissive panels. If the red in an red traffic light happened to be the same wavelength, it would disappear, but it won't necessarily disappear.

      Just looking at a few datasheets, red power LEDs run from 615nm to about 670nm. They're all red, but they have distinctive wavelengths that could be filtered out separately.

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    10. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's a long time since I've seen a cornea joke than that.

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    11. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Er... the sun is a black body.

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    12. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      LED lights aren't polarized, so the glasses have no effect on them.

      If this technology was based on polarised light it wouldn't block out all screens. There's no standard to applying polarisers. Plus the manufacturer specifically talks about wavelength blocking.

    13. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but so far I've only seen OLED displays in small devices like feature phones

      Errr you clearly haven't been to an consumer electronics store in the past 2 years.

    14. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You're making a distinction without difference, pointing out details that have no relevance to the conversation. In a discussion about whether or not traffic lights would be impacted by these glasses—to which the answer is "no" since those lights do not employ a polarizing filter—the fact that there are also some screens that don't use a polarizing filter (e.g. OLED) has no relevance. Sure, I could have phrased things more precisely, but it shouldn't have been necessary to do so.

    15. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Your pupils dilate.

      (Considering only the polarization) Nearly all the spectrally reflected light reaches your eyes (polarization depends on the reflecting surface orientation), only half the ambient light. Tint won't change the ratios.

      Worse.

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    16. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The right to ignore blaring crap is manifest. I thank their inventors and truly and sincerely hope they make millions for their creativity.

      Thanks for the laugh. Here's something even funnier, from the Kickstarter page:

      IRL Glasses put you in the driver's seat to control when and how you engage with screens.

      I'm already in the driver's seat to control when and how I engage. If I don't want to engage, I don't look at it, or I turn it off. Problem solved, for free. No creativity necessary.

      The only place I can see these being even remotely necessary is on aircraft where the operators have put in-seat-back displays that you cannot shut off, or keep turning back on by themselves after you turn them off. The free solution to this is to rip the cover off the in-flight magazine or on-board-catalog and cover the display.

    17. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      LOL. I do exactly that, as in rip the magazine and fold it over the display. If I knew of a connection jack, I would unplug it.

      Going down the halls of any shopping mall, you'll be bombarded. Sitting in that airport with half of the laptops out, and 90% of the cell phones, it's easy to get distracted, if not by the over-driven headphones (should people remember to use them). For this, the cure is noise-blanking headphones. This is the cure for the visual problem. I look forward to it.

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    18. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by kiminator · · Score: 1

      Polarized glasses reduce the brightness of non-polarized light by half. If the glasses are horizontally-polarized, then the glare from horizontal surfaces will not be affected at all, but the rest of the scene will be dimmed. This will dramatically increase the visibility of glare, and make it harder to make out other parts of the scene.

    19. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by kiminator · · Score: 1

      OLED is useful for larger displays for HDR content, as they're really the only way (for now) to display high-contrast scenes without color bleed. As others have mentioned, OLED is in a few high-end displays. My bet is it will become more common at the high end as HDR becomes more important, but it may always be restricted to the high end for cost reasons.

    20. Re:And what about LED traffic lights? by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Transmissive panels use white light as their backlight. The pixels have RGB filters in them.

    21. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Errr you clearly haven't been to an consumer electronics store in the past 2 years.

      I have, but I couldn't distinguish between the "LED TVs" and the "LED TVs".

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    22. Re: And what about LED traffic lights? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Indeed. You also didn't say LED TVs. You said OLED TVs, and seriously if you couldn't distiguish between them then you haven't been in a consumer electronics store in the past two years. Hint: Look for the TV on the golden rotating platform with lights, loudspeakers, and fanfair pointing to it where every single sales man ushers you towards. If there's no sales man follow the gigantic arrows with the big text that says OLED.

      And if any of that isn't present chances are you're not in a consumer electronics shop as much as a thrift store. I mean my local store only has a cool 37 different OLED models on display and that doesn't include the 21 QLED models available (the other next big thing you ignored).

  3. Polarizing lenses by Improv · · Score: 1

    There are only so many way they can do this with a physical filter, and the article suggests that whatever Casper was doing, the replacement with simple polarising filters (which may be the same thing) functioned largely the same way. So, this is really not that exciting except as a cool application.

    Polarising filters are pretty cool regardless.

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  4. I already have something that does this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Eyelids. I have a pair of them, and they came with the body; they are a standard feature.

  5. ridiculous by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    Mark this down as 'Most Uneducated Self-Promoter of the Month" .

    Commmercial display manufacturers (e.g. LCD for gasoliine pumps, POS systems, etc.) are very careful to align the output polarization so that it will pass thru polarizing sunglasses, which in turn are carefully aligned to block the glare/scatter from solar irradiance. Try rotating a pair of sunglasses 90 degrees and you'll see how much brighter the thruput is.

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  6. Let me put this on my car windshield. by DalM · · Score: 1

    It blocks those awful billiards? Where can I buy a roll?

  7. My new Kickstarter: by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Smart glasses that filter out all social media and give you a shock when you think about going on Twitter or Facebook, but kicks your pleasure center when you actually interact with (shocking!!!) real people in real social settings.

    1. Re:My new Kickstarter: by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Time to register Twitshock.com and Shockbook.com!

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  8. Peril sensitive sunglasses at last! by Mspangler · · Score: 2

    Granted the peril may be different than originally anticipated, but still a worthy development.

  9. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    So you view interaction with more people as being more important than interaction in real life with fewer people?

    See, I just interacted with you. But I don't know you and you don't know me. Either of us could die tomorrow and we'd never notice it since we're just one of the dozens of people we reply to, every day.

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  10. Re:He literally made the glasses from They Live by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but... knowing what we know, we won't be buying the glasses and we'll be waiting for the contact lenses instead.

    I guess I better go buy a pack of gum later this afternoon, just in case.

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  11. I already tried this... by Bluecobra · · Score: 5, Funny

    I already tried doing this, and the results were frightening. Aliens everywhere, and all the billboards said stuff like obey, consume, etc. I ended up chucking the sunglasses in the bin.

    1. Re:I already tried this... by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      i didn't even want to try to put them on. but after a 20 minute fistfight with roddy piper i changed my mind and hoo-boy, was he right.

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    2. Re:I already tried this... by alexo · · Score: 1

      Probably because you were all out of bubblegum.

    3. Re:I already tried this... by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      You two, rock!

      Stay asleep.

  12. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    The right to ignore blaring crap is manifest. I thank their inventors and truly and sincerely hope they make millions for their creativity.

    This invention is the bane of marketers everywhere, and I wish the inventors tremendous success. I will buy a pair as soon as they're on the market. Maybe two.

    Seems like the kind of thing that would be a fad for a few months and then everyone laughs about how ridiculous and pointless it all was for years later. This has "as shown on TV" written all over it... the only problem is these glasses will block out that ad.

    - Clap Off.

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  13. Doesn't work on portrait screens by Doub · · Score: 1

    All those screens oriented vertically won't get blocked. Not common for TV/news streaming, but very common for information and ad display.

    1. Re:Doesn't work on portrait screens by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Regular polarizing sunglasses should work for those. Presumably, the polarization direction in most LCDs is chosen so that they remain visible with polarizing sunglasses (whose direction, in turn, is chosen to reduce reflections from horizontal surfaces).

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    2. Re:Doesn't work on portrait screens by Gabest · · Score: 1

      Then turn your head sideways. It is not that hard!

    3. Re:Doesn't work on portrait screens by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Presumably, the polarization direction in most LCDs is chosen so that they remain visible with polarizing sunglasses

      Presumably the polarisation direction in most LCDs is not chosen but rather LG and Samsung apply them in the same direction so it would appear like 70% of the panels on the market magically follow some "standard".

      The reality is if you look at most screens, they aren't even polarised to perfectly align with sunglasses, but about 20degrees off for whatever reason.

  14. Unexpected effects by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out, these are likely polarized filters (not sure what orientation they use, but I expect its 90 degrees off from TVs). LCDs are polarized as well.

    I am wondering what sort of unintended consequences wearing these glasses will have. I've noticed that some vehicle rear windows black out slightly when I am wearing my polarized sunglasses.

  15. Absolutely trivial to defeat by spiritplumber · · Score: 1

    you just need a pair of glasses of the same material, cut to be at a 45 degree angle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  16. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by h4x0t · · Score: 1

    Just like all those assholes with the wrap around polarized lenses they get from the eye doctor.
    Quit telling me how to live my life, grandpa! /s

    Seriously though, do get off on the next stop.

  17. I already have a TV-B-Gone! by Chalex · · Score: 1

    Looks like a car key; just don't let people see you point it at the TVs; they tend to get mad. But it's really useful in those places where obviously no on is watching the TV.

    You can buy it pre-made or as a kit, or even make your own from some simple electronics.

    https://www.tvbgone.com/

    1. Re:I already have a TV-B-Gone! by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 1

      Where's the smug self-satisfaction in that?

  18. Re:He literally made the glasses from They Live by Quake1v1 · · Score: 1

    Brother, life's a bitch...and she's back in heat.

  19. $39 for polarized sunglasses? by hawguy · · Score: 1

    The kickstarter is asking $39 for a pair of these. I bought a pair of these 5 years ago for $2.99 by accident - I forgot my sunglasses and bought a cheap pair of polarized sunglasses from a Chinatown merchant - the polarization was in the wrong direction, so instead of blocking glare from roads and water, they made it worse... and they blacked out LCD's.

    I threw them away after that day, and never realized what a goldmine I was sitting on.

  20. TV-B-Gone! by ZipK · · Score: 1
  21. Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive by Diakoneo · · Score: 1

    I came here expecting an early comment to reference Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.
    I left disappointed....

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  22. Why by ThurstonMoore · · Score: 1

    Why would a person want this?

    1. Re:Why by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      maybe some people are tired of seeing all the spew thought up by the pieces of shit on two legs known as marketing wanks

  23. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

    So you view interaction with more people as being more important than interaction in real life with fewer people?

    Nope. I view the idea that we'd all just chat with strangers on the subway/bus/whatever if we didn't have devices is false. Because I was around when we didn't have those devices yet.

  24. Something similar for headlights? by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

    I'd love to have something like this for dealing with oncoming cars with the super-bright headlights. I find myself putting on my sunglasses just so I'm not blinded by them. I figure it's better to see less light overall instead of nothing due to the glare. Something that could let me see everything else in normal light but would dim headlights in view would be superb.

    -rant-
    Why is that so many drivers not only drive with their lights but also with their fog lamps on? They are not going to make you see any better, but they sure do a better job of blinding oncoming drivers!
    -/rant-

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    1. Re:Something similar for headlights? by Herve5 · · Score: 2

      You can impose, by law, polarizer filters in front of all headlights, and then you'll filter most of the light of oncoming cars with simple polarizer glasses while the light reflected by ordinary objects will be unpolarized thus visible.

      You could even start this development without changing laws through another key feature, which indeed is fog : if you illuminate fog with polarized light then look at it with counter-polarized glasses, you almost damp all the fog droplets reflections, and see through it the actual scenery.
      This, a life saver, I proposed to my governmental lab in charge of road counter-fog measures years ago. The idea was trashed 'for imposing more power on headlights'. Imagine my gaping.

      Later on I discovered it had been patented, a couple of times (yes, more than one, in different countries, this happened in the good ol' time), somtimes with glasses, sometimes with a windscreen filter.
      Nobody succeeded in selling it anyhow, and patents are probably dead now (my story is >10 years ago)

      If you want to start a serious, significant Kickstarter for real, do this.
      Fog-suppressing kit, two headlight filters, polarized sunglasses just an option. Low-cost and easy to test.

      I'll buy your first model. I'm too old now to restart with this -at the time I tried, internet didn't exist...
      But God I'll buy your first model.

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  25. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    That is also true. In fact, people who talk to strangers on the subway/bus/whatever are usually weirdos.

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  26. Obligatory "The Outer Limits by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    There is nothing wrong with your eyes. Do not attempt to close them up. We are controlling what you see. If we wish to make it more annoying, we will put ads everywhere. If we wish to make it more subtle, we'll use product placement. We will control your spending habits. We will control your entertainment. We can reduce your bank account, make it smaller. We can change the focus of your interests to random things or sharpen it to precise products. For the next hour, browse quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your eyes. You are about to participate in a great marketing adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner warehouses to – The Web.

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  27. Amazing for autism by Somervillain · · Score: 1

    This will be amazing for people on the autism spectrum like me and my son. When a screen is moving in my field of view, I have to look at it. It takes a lot of concentration to "tune it out," so I dread going to bars. It also affects my hearing. My brain processes audio poorly if it is processing visual information, like a TV screen, so I am constantly having to ask people to repeat themselves. My brain is more single-threaded than a neurotypical person's. For people with more severe needs than mine, this can really impact your ability to socialize with friends. These glasses can really help someone on the spectrum have less anxiety in environments with a lot of screens.

    1. Re:Amazing for autism by Somervillain · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty insensitive comment, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were hoping to be constructive and maybe you just don't understand what it is like to be on the spectrum or how your comment can be hurtful. First of all, only good friends would change venues completely because you have special needs. How do you make good friends if you can't socialize like everyone else? It's a chicken and egg scenario. You need to socialize with people to develop friendships strong enough that you can talk to them about how you're different and how do you socialize if the normal routes are challenging? Sure, plenty do it, but a development like this may help someone who cannot function in a bar blend in a little better and be like everyone else.

      I am high-functioning, so for me, I can live a normal life, I just have to concentrate harder and work harder. For people with more severe needs, like my son, it can be a huge challenge to fit in, to make friends. In his school, there are kids with much much more severe needs who would require this to be able to function at all in such an environment. So while most people find this silly, I think it's a great invention that I hope becomes popular with people with special needs. It helps us adapt to environments we normally would have issues in without inconveniencing anyone...hell, most people probably won't even know we're wearing special glasses.

  28. Why would anyone want that? by jgfenix · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that this could be dangerous in some places. When I began to read I thought it was referring to blocking reflections on screens under the sun but I don't see the point of this.

  29. Cherry on the cake by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Creator's name is "Ivan Cash". Yes, he wants cash. For a pair of polarized sunglasses.

    I'm just speechless.

  30. Re:The perfect accessory for virtue signaling by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    That is also true. In fact, people who talk to strangers on the subway/bus/whatever are usually weirdos.

    In the United States that varies radically by geography. In Michigan, no one ever talks to strangers. In Illinois, everyone does. Most of the Midwest is willing to talk to strangers. The northeast, not so much.

  31. LED is not LCD by markdavis · · Score: 1

    block the wavelengths of light that comes from LED and LCD

    No, it cannot block LED light and will not block LED screens. It might be able to block LCD screens by just being specially polarized lenses. But LED light is no different than most other light, and is of no particular frequency, unless it was polarized for some reason (like because it was used in an LCD screen).

    The summary and/or article fell for the marketing crap. Until recently, all marketed "LED" screens are not LED, they are LCD screens with LED backlighting.

    1) We never called LCD screens with florescent backlighting "florescent screens"

    2) We never called LCD screens with electroluminescent backlighting "electroluminescent screens".

    3) We never called LCD screens with incandescent backlighting "incandescent screens".

  32. Douglas Adams by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    I already have Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses, could I get these new ones as clip-on lenses please?!

  33. LEDs by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

    The maker's specifications do claim LED screens are blocked as well, but I suspect they mean ordinary LCD monitors with LED backlights:

    Cloaking Technology Film renders wall-mounted and other large LED displays in conference rooms, huddle rooms, and other glass fronted rooms opaque when viewed from outside the room. Most large, wall-mounted displays can be cloaked, with the exception of 3D displays, Microsoft Surface Hubs, Barco video walls, OLED displays, plasma screens, direct-view LED video walls, and projection video.

    Note that direct-view LEDs are not blocked. The same document also stresses the importance of film angle during installation, confirming that it's based on polarisation.

    I had actually hoped it would be a more interesting notch filter blocking specific 640/570/480nm wavelengths, akin to the black projector screens you can get that reflect only those wavelengths (and absorb all the ambient light at other frequencies), but apparently not.

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    1. Re:LEDs by irllabs · · Score: 1

      Hey Namarrgon, It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. I'm with the team behind the glasses and we're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?

  34. Re:Notch filters by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

    That was my first thought too, but the specifications and installation document from the maker of the film says that plasma screens and LED walls are not blocked, and that angle is important when installing the film, so it's almost certainly ordinary polarisation.

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  35. Did you read the Book? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The third one. Three shall be the translation of the reading and the translation of the reading shall be three. Fourth shalt thou not read, neither shalt thou read the second excepting that thou then proceedeth to the third. The fifth translation is right out.

  36. At last, an excuse for speeding by zublik · · Score: 1

    in my model 3

  37. Re:Notch filters by irllabs · · Score: 1

    I'm with the team behind the glasses. It sounds like you might know a thing or two about optics. We're looking for engineers and researchers that can help us solve the hard problem of blocking OLEDs for our next product. A lot of people think it’s impossible but we’re willing to give it our best shot! Any chance you’re someone that can help?