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Body Camera Maker Will Let Cops Live-Stream Their Encounters (fastcompany.com)

tedlistens writes: Police officers wearing new cameras by Axon, the U.S.'s largest body camera supplier, will soon be able to send live video from their cameras back to base and elsewhere, potentially expanding police surveillance. Another feature of the new device -- set to be released next year -- triggers the camera to start recording and alerts command staff once an officer has fired their weapon, a possible corrective to the problem of officers forgetting to switch them on. (The initial price of $699 doesn't include other costs, like a subscription to Axon's Evidence.com data management system.)

But adding new technologies to body camera video introduces new privacy concerns, say legal experts, who have cautioned that a network of live-streaming cameras risks turning officers into roving sentinels for a giant panopticon-like surveillance system. Harlan Yu, the executive director of Upturn, a Washington nonprofit consultancy that has studied body cameras, says that live-streaming could erode community trust and help enable more controversial technologies like real-time face recognition. "The capability to live stream all BWC footage back to a department- or precinct-wide command center... will further entrench body-worn cameras as tools for police surveillance of communities, rather than tools for transparency," he said.

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  1. Cops - LIVE! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?

    1. Re:Cops - LIVE! by darkain · · Score: 1

      I think I have a new favorite Twitch channel!

    2. Re:Cops - LIVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On today's episode: Can donuts spin like a top? And should they?

    3. Re:Cops - LIVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put the same "gunshot recognition" running all the time in the background on people's phones. Record audio and video with a 2 minute rolling buffer that streams up to the cloud, and when a gunshot is detected, the buffered data is linked to your local news station.

    4. Re:Cops - LIVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just arrest the bad guys lol 4Head

    5. Re:Cops - LIVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatcha gonna do when they livestream you?

    6. Re:Cops - LIVE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can kind of watch that already -- it's a show called "Live PD".

  2. If all the cops live-stream . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . then it is easy to map them.

  3. recording after? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Huh, wouldn't it seem that the events just prior to the cop shooting are what is actually relevant.

    Perhaps they should figure out a way to trigger recording when the cop starts showing stress reactions (which could be triggered by fear, anger, etc)

    1. Re: recording after? by Reaper9889 · · Score: 2

      hopefully cops are not running around with their weapon drawn much and that seems a better starting time to my mind (it should be easy enough to figure out when they draw).

    2. Re: recording after? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Well even then; you wouldn't know what made the cop draw in the first place. Still better than after they shoot though.

    3. Re:recording after? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recall reading that some early body cameras were designed to continuously record into a 30-60s buffer, and then when the camera is set to 'record' it dumps the buffer and then appends in real time. Whether this actually happens or is better or worse is up for debate.

    4. Re: recording after? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      From TFA: "These technologies aren’t completely new: A similar sensor Axon released last year is meant to activate cameras once a weapon is drawn from its holster"

    5. Re:recording after? by Tyrannosaur · · Score: 1

      I am under the impression that usually body cameras are continuously recording- when they get "switched on" they then start saving- as well as the previous minute or two before the turn-on. If these are not designed like that it is a huge flaw.

    6. Re:recording after? by Leuf · · Score: 1

      Typically the camera is always recording to its buffer. When it starts recording to file it includes what was in the buffer. So you get some time from before you actually start the recording. There have been cases where cops were caught planting evidence because they didn't know that and recorded themselves doing it even though they had turned off the recording.

    7. Re:recording after? by theweatherelectric · · Score: 4, Interesting

      continuously record into a 30-60s buffer, and then when the camera is set to 'record' it dumps the buffer

      This feature caught Baltimore police planting drugs in an attempt to fake body camera footage. Had they been an extra 30 seconds corrupt they would have got away with it.

    8. Re:recording after? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This feature caught Baltimore police planting drugs in an attempt to fake body camera footage.

      If you watch the video, you can see one cop planting the drugs, while two other cops stand and watch as if planting evidence is perfectly normal and routine.

      Only the cop planting the evidence was fired. The other two corrupt cops are still Baltimore police officers.

    9. Re:recording after? by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      More like a 30-60 day buffer... If the gov is demanding that tech companies hold user data for two+ years, why can't we just demand police do the same?

      And regarding emergency recording based on gunshots.. Uh, yeah, that's a bit too late for describing events leading up to the need to discharge a gun. Cameras should come on the moment a cop finds reason to engage with the general public...maybe a proximity sensor via Bluetooth that immediately turns them on when a cop exits his car.

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    10. Re: recording after? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      A 60 second look back from the time a weapon is drawn would seem reasonable to me.

      LK

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    11. Re: recording after? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Storage is only a problem if you want to keep all of it.
      You can record the entire day and only keep it if any shooting took place.
      Or you can record from the time the cop exits the car to the time he gets back into it.

      Thing is, people tend to focus a lot on the shootings, but what if everything works out peacefully?
      Cop makes an arrest, the arrested man follows with him peacefully, there is a trial and the arrested man in put in jail.
      Wouldn't you want some video evidence before ruining someones life?

    12. Re:recording after? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I recall reading that some early body cameras were designed to continuously record into a 30-60s buffer, and then when the camera is set to 'record' it dumps the buffer and then appends in real time. Whether this actually happens or is better or worse is up for debate.

      I think technology should've improved to the point where we can get a day's worth of recordings. The unit records immediately once taken off the charger and stops at the end of the shift being placed back on the charger.

      To make life easier, you can timestamp events - when the weapon is drawn a mark is made on the recording. Likewise more markers can be made - either manually pushing a button (e.g., arriving at a scene), as well as "off duty" and "on duty" markers to indicate when the cop went on a break (or the bathroom) and when they returned.

      The markers are informative - the unit is always recording, but markers can be made to quickly index the videos. The raw recording is protected and only releasable through a court order (alongside the timestamps) but snippets can be made available freely

    13. Re:recording after? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And regarding emergency recording based on gunshots.. Uh, yeah, that's a bit too late for describing events leading up to the need to discharge a gun.

      Depends on what you are trying to catch.
      If the video evidence shows the cop shooting a guy who lies face down with his hand on his head it tells you a lot of what happened.

    14. Re:recording after? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      A 1,000 times this. Otherwise we'll have non-stop police brutality claims and mass riots every time a suspect or perpetrator gets hit, knocked down, or shot. Context is key.

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    15. Re:recording after? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 1,000 times this. Otherwise we'll have non-stop police brutality claims and mass riots every time a suspect or perpetrator gets hit, knocked down, or shot. Context is key.

      When's the last time you saw white people riot in America because some low-life thug got himself shot? For that matter, when in the USA did you ever see white people riot at all?

  4. 2 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The encounters will expose either the cop or the perpetrator. Now if you're a perpetrator you don't want the cop to livestream your encounter. You just want to be able to say cop was bad. Too many situations have brought us to this point of people not telling the truth

    1. Re:2 views by gnick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Now if you're a perpetrator you don't want the cop to livestream your encounter.

      If you're the perpetrator that gets pulled over for speeding and then shot for smelling like cannabis, you definitely want the cop's camera on.

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    2. Re:2 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      shot for smelling like cannabis

      Where do these paranoid fantasies come from? A lot needs improvement in law enforcement, but solving problems begins with talking about them honestly.

    3. Re:2 views by gnick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where do these paranoid fantasies come from?

      Fantasies?

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    4. Re:2 views by theweatherelectric · · Score: 2

      A lot needs improvement in law enforcement

      American police kill more Americans than terrorists do.

    5. Re:2 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail to mention that he was smoking marijuana WITH A 5 YEAR OLD IN THE CAR. Anyone who does that obviously does not care about human life and the peace officer was correct to confront him aggressively.

    6. Re:2 views by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the cops having a camera on me any more than they should mind me having a camera on them. If it's a sketchy situation, I expect that their evidence will go missing, so I'd better have my own. That aside, the number of incidents like this are a tiny minority of all stops. Cops are human and subject to all manner of human shortcomings and fuck-ups even if they're not actively evil. You're probably being overly paranoid if you expect that to happen to you, as it's probably within an order or two of magnitude of pulling down a huge lotto jackpot.

    7. Re:2 views by gnick · · Score: 1

      I don't mind the cops having a camera on me any more than they should mind me having a camera on them

      With you 100%. The laws backing cops barring cameras are offensive.

      You're probably being overly paranoid if you expect that to happen to you, as it's probably within an order or two of magnitude of pulling down a huge lotto jackpot.

      Of course it's not going to happen to me. I'm white. Shouldn't happen at all.

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    8. Re:2 views by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      You're probably being overly paranoid if you expect that to happen to you, as it's probably within an order or two of magnitude of pulling down a huge lotto jackpot.

      Median rate nationwide of officers killing civilians is 3.8 per million people. It's hard to find statistics on lottery winnings - the states running them don't want people to know how bad the odds are - but in most states big winners number in the single digits per year. The biggest state, California, only has about 10 per year. So if you were saying that there were an order of magnitude fewer officer killings, you were wrong. If you were correctly pointing out that it's only slightly more likely than winning the lottery, that's still way too often.

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    9. Re:2 views by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Evidence suggests that police body cameras result in better behaviour from the police and from the police with whom they're interacting.

      Something that simple that reduces violence during an arrest is surely a good thing for everybody.

    10. Re:2 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extreme paranoia is why I quit using the stuff 35+ years ago.

    11. Re: 2 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know the penalty for smoking near a five year old was death.

  5. Why not activate by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the body camera as soon as a weapon leaves the holster instead of when it's fired?

    This may end up more entertaining than Russian Car Crash Compilations.

    1. Re:Why not activate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those Russian dashcam videos are the best thing on YouTube. I could watch those vodka-soaked idiots crashing shit all day long.

    2. Re:Why not activate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should start the moment they step out of the patrol car.

    3. Re:Why not activate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Start the moment they set foot outside the police station.

  6. Here's an idea.... by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems to me that turning it on at the sound of the gun shot might be a bit too late to get the complete picture of if the use of force was justified or not.

    How about they are always recording a 2 min buffer and the sound of a gunshot triggers it to write the buffer and start the recording at a point 2 min in the past..

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    1. Re:Here's an idea.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure this will lead to cops just shouting, "LOOK! IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS A GUN! *BANG BANG BANG* at innocent bystander"

  7. taxpayer sponsored murder porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just one swatting away. On demand.

  8. Authority AND Accountability by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is a rumor that the Romans had a double-sided ax that represented two things:

    * Authority
    * Accountability

    Why?

    * Authority without Accountability leads to abuse of power.
    * Accountability without Authority leads to Bureaucracy and constant bikeshedding.

    It's time that people start demanding accountability from those in power -- to keep everyone honest.

    1. Re:Authority AND Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why in a suposedly free society are people beholden to courts and law enforcement for justice. Shouldn't citizens be vested with the power to judge right from wrong and enforce justice. Something just bothers me about a country where another person can steal my wallet and legally the only thing I am allowed to do is report it to cops. Many lawyers and cops are more corrupt than the individual who stole the wallet in the first place.
      The populace is powerless and entirely beholden to the lawyers and law enforcement officers to who we must petition for the righting of wrongs.

      Supposedly was mispelt in the first sentence.

    2. Re:Authority AND Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I say he should be executed for bringing bad luck upon us!" "There's no such thing as bad luck, you should be executed for being superstitious!" "Aren't you a Christian? The only difference between him and you is that your superstitions have a book club!" "BLASPHEMER! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE"

      That's why you don't let the public decide and enforce the laws themselves.

    3. Re:Authority AND Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely you jest.

      It is quite obvious that the "Republican Era" of American History is over and we have entered the Authority without Accountability era.

    4. Re:Authority AND Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If citizens are vested with the power to judge right form wrong, then we lose the agreed upon societal rulings of right and wrong, so everyone gets to execute "justic" base don their own morality. The constant political, religious, and ethical debates in society at large should let you knwo how quickly this would break down to everyone assaulting everyone that slighted them.

      As an aside, I just had a flashback to R.A. Salvatore's dark elf books, which had a government and police, but personal justice was also allowed as long as there was nobody to dispute tht you were in the right. Somebody steal your wallet? You can kill them. Want to steal somebody's wallet? As long as you kill them so they can't say you did it, no problem. Though their brother might report you for murder, so you'll need to kill him too. This lead to the whole society being divided into family houses that had fragile truces with one another, because if anyone ever slighted another significantly, it would almost always quickly spiral into the two houses each rushing to murder everyone in the other house before one of them reached the authorities. Or sometimes a house (especially a smaller one) would just kill the person another house wanted dead to avoid being snuffed out by a larger family.

  9. Trump can't possibly be for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "MORE Video evidence? NO THANKS!" - Donald J Traitor

  10. Accountability, not Surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    potentially expanding police surveillance

    You misspelled accountability.

    1. Re:Accountability, not Surveillance by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I wish you were being cynical but sadly you are right.

      The founding fathers share your lament.

      "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Ben Franklin.

      Ironically it has lost its context

  11. Purpose of body cams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought the whole point of body cameras was to establish what happened during police shootings. Am I missing something? You can't have it both ways; either 1) you get recordings of police (mis)behavior, or 2) you get no recordings and your privacy remains intact. Pick one. Personally, I'd opt for letting the police record their interaction with me. I think it decreases the likelihood that things will end badly for me.

    1. Re:Purpose of body cams? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think it needs to go both ways. Citizens need to record their own encounters with the law or it's entirely too convenient for recordings to go missing or for malfunctions to occur. Don't ever count on police evidence to exonerate you. Even if they're not being malicious, spiteful, etc. they're still human and just as capable of lazy mistakes as the next person. Record your interaction with the police.

    2. Re:Purpose of body cams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizens need to record their own encounters with the law or it's entirely too convenient for recordings to go missing or for malfunctions to occur.

      Given the improbably high frequency of occurrence when the recordings would very likely have shown the cops behaving badly, you really should have used some quote marks:

      ...it's entirely too convenient for [police] recordings to "go missing" or for "malfunctions" to occur.

      Unfortunately, while I agree that citizens should record police encounters, too many police have shown a significant tendency to steal phones & cameras, erasing recordings or stealing memory cards, while assaulting and falsely-arresting the people doing the recording.

    3. Re:Purpose of body cams? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between "there should be a record of this" and "that record should be posted publicly for all the world to see.

      For example, I'm very happy that my doctor keeps good records; less happy that they might be shared with third parties for profit; even less happy if it ends up plastered all over the internet.

      The police as an organisation already have the option of making recordings available after an incident, if it is deemed in the public interest. I see no good reason to allow individual officers to make that decision. Aside from the valid privacy concerns of all the innocent-until-proven-guilty people involved, we don't need to hand them another tool to extrajudicially punish suspects, which is what this amounts to, or encourage them to play to the crowd. Just look at how they ham it up if there's a TV crew there, and those are officers that the department has hand-picked not to embarrass themselves.

      More worrying still is that the inevitable result of allowing police officers to live stream is Officer Friendly shilling his Kickstarter and featuring subscriber-only chat emojis and get-out-of-ticket-free prize draws. Don't for get to like and subscribe!

  12. Twitching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, a Twitch stream I'll watch!

  13. Outrage News for Nerds by ckatko · · Score: 1

    Uhh, shouldn't we be more impressed that the evidence they normally delete is going to be livestreamed instead?

    Like a girl who accidentally (ha! "accidentally!") flashes her nipple on Twitch, and it's on the web FOREVER.

    Granted, it's not necessarily online. But it's at least one step harder to delete incriminating videos when you need TWO or more people "in on it." When a cop can just shut his camera off (why tf was that ever an option?) then do something illegal, a livestreamed, hypothetically, requires the consent of whoever is at base watching the livestream.

    So this is potentially a good thing. AND, it may be even better because this may allow us to enact FURTHER changes 10 years from now once this is standard, to force say, "citizen / watchdogs", to be allowed to watch the sensitive content live.

    Also --> If there's a COP AROUND YOU, you're ALREADY BEING WATCHED. Does the damn camera change much? (And we already have traffic cameras that are always on.)

    I'm not saying I'm for a "surveillance state", but that this isn't really any additional surveillance, and, it may even enact accountability in the long run because it's harder to delete a livestream.

    1. Re:Outrage News for Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who loves the Dragon Ball series and pictures in my mind Vegeta's voice whenever someone says "really" ??

  14. This should be fun by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Since all cops are at very least, "bad cop adjacent", this should make for some very interesting Twitch streaming.

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  15. Pretty soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We will be able to see the real life effects that eating all those donuts has on the stool they drop in the local Waffle House.

  16. An idea by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

    Can the officers add Snapchat filters to the feeds? Make it interesting...

  17. Twitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's is going to make for some great Twitch streams - imagine the entertaining chat feed on those.

  18. Surveillance or Evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woah!! I thought we were complaining about a 'giant panopticon-like surveillance system." Now you're saying you want MORE camera footage?

    Police cameras should be running 24/7. It's not surveillance it's evidence, both for and against police actions. It explains what they did and why they did it. The more footage the better. If you're doing what you should it will exonerate you. If you screwed up, it will testify against you.

    It bugs the crap out of me that stories like this try to spin it in a 'oooh police are evil' kind of way even when their actions are exactly the one thing that can fix the problem with police trust and corruption.

    1. Re:Surveillance or Evidence by toadlife · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Police cameras should be running 24/7. It's not surveillance it's evidence, both for and against police actions.

      Which is why police would never agree to it willingly. Police love body cameras so long as they control when they get turned on, what gets saved and who gets to see the footage.

      Otherwise, they hate body cams.

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    2. Re:Surveillance or Evidence by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I think the honest police love body cams because they can protect them from false allegations or questioning their judgement once you have the benefit of hindsight. If someone pulls a gun on an officer and the officer fires, the body cam will show that the officer acted properly. The footage can help clear an honest police officer's name.

      Now, corrupt police are another story. They hate body cam footage because the footage will show that the guy didn't pull a gun when he was shot, but that a gun was planted on him after he died of his injuries.

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  19. Surveillance must be equal by Munich+Munchkin · · Score: 1

    I'm happy if the authorities want to record what I'm doing for possible use in court against me, provided I am also free to do the same to them.

  20. when gun is fired by sad_ · · Score: 1

    Recording after the gun has been fired is way too late.
    Better would be to trigger recording on certain words/phrases.

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  21. Taser by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Don't let the sleazeballs escape their name.

  22. It's hardly more surveillance. by sabbede · · Score: 1
    Think about it - what do police body cameras record? What's in front of the cop, if the camera is fixed to the chest, or what the cop is looking at, if it's attached to glasses. So this scary "giant panopticon-like surveillance system" still requires the physical presence of a police officer looking at whatever is being surveilled.

    In other words, NO CHANGE.

    It's not like the cameras are going to catch you doing something naughty while you don't think anyone is looking. There will be a cop standing there facing you.

  23. weapon sensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what, it turns on AFTER a weapon is discharged....? How about a holster-sensor that turns on the camera when the pistol clears the holster?

  24. Cameras should auto turn on when exiting the car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should automatically switch on everytime the officers leaves their car.