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More Than One Third of Music Consumers Still Pirate Music (theguardian.com)
More than one-third of global music listeners are still pirating music, according to a new report by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI). From a report: While the massive rise in legal streaming platforms such as Spotify, Apple Music and Tidal was thought to have stemmed illegal consumption, 38% of listeners continue to acquire music through illegal means. The most popular form of copyright infringement is stream-ripping (32%): using easily available software to record the audio from sites like YouTube at a low-quality bit rate. Downloads through "cyberlocker" file hosting services or P2P software like BitTorrent came second (23%), with acquisition via search engines in third place (17%).
Because it is extremely beneficial for them to put the situation in such a way , so it is easier to introduce new taxes, new draconian measures to restrict the rights to backup copies, to limit the ways of reproduction and etc.
Their greed has no limits
only 1/3 of music consumers still pirate music. Also, no $h!t Sherlock. Broke kids are always going to pirate. Let them. It gets them in the habit of listening to music when they're young. Without piracy they're going to grow up without it and not care when they're old enough to pay. That's how Metallica got their start; pirated mix tapes. Without them they'd be working at 7-11.
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>> More Than One Third of Music Consumers Still Pirate Music
Is this number this low because the other two thirds still don't know how to pirate music? Or are there still people who know how to pirate but still plug their holy ears should any not-properly-thithed music hit their virgin eardrums?
Of course we do.
I pay $10/month for a service, and side-load what's unavailable.
Some of the side-loaded stuff isn't available anyway.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
I try not to pirate music but honestly any music that I copy is purely because I could not get it legally. Generally I try to use music from Google Play but because of the industry not making deals all the music is not available on there and the Apple's stuff simply do not work on my computer.
So the options are to drive to CD store (most have now closed down so almost impossible) or to pirate the music.
I the music and Movie industry want to reduce pirating they need to make their content available where I get my content not where they want to publish it.
I use what is convenient to me and honestly having to pay 4 or 5 suppliers to watch the Movies and Series I want is not an option so guess what. I simply pay one supplier and don't watch the rest. Once the movie industry figures out that the consumers have the power and the reason they are struggling is because they are not providing what the comsumer wants the quicker we can move on.
Without pirated music, the music industry as we know it today wouldn't exist. Piracy, garage recordings, dubbed mixtapes, is how the majority of bands get their name out... Growing up, I first heard everyone from the Greatful Dead to Metallica to Guns N Roses to Sublime via pirated music... and then went on to share those tapes with countless other friends. Piracy is where popularity comes from. I can honestly say I've never seen a band or bought an album from a musician who I didn't first hear through some form of pirated media. This sounds like nothing but an effort to make a "problem" out of something that's always been the case so that record companies can tax us further.
TIL there are still music consumers.
If someone pays $10/month for service A, and wants to listen to music that is exclusive to service B, why would they not pirate it? If they pay for service B as well it means whenever they want to listen to that song they have to switch to a different player, they can't incorporate it into their playlists, and it is just not worth the bother. Nobody is going to do that.
Personally, I have zero interest in streaming and streaming services. The industry hates consumers like me, there's no real option other than buying and ripping CDs ore paying Apple for low quality proprietary tracks. It's an easier and more pleasant "shopping" experience to pirate the music than pay for it. Why am I going to pay for an inferior experience?
The most popular form of copyright infringement is stream-ripping (32%) using easily available software to record the audio from sites like YouTube at a low-quality bit rate
Sounds like a lot of work. I just listen to youtube with an ad blocker. Gives me exactly the same result, and it's not copyright infringement.
To the smaller artists, you have two choices:
1. You will accept with compliance that i will pirate music by the bulk because the music industry is so over-saturated that i'd have to be a millionaire to have any chance of listening to everything to actually find artists i like to support. 30 second music previews are so garbage i don't have words for it, and even counter-intuitive depending on which segment they preview of songs (often leaving out segments that make one listen to the song and treat the rest as buildup/atmospheric roll-in).
2. You will not comply and since i have to spend money to find music which puts limitations on the amount of shit i can dig through (absolute shit, i can't explain how much dung i've heard that doesn't deserve being propped up financially and might as well be a scam), chances are significantly against you that i will ever uncover your music, you will be lying unknown under a pile of dust and garbage, while my money ends up supporting shit artists and scammers more than good ones since i am coerced and have no other venue.
At one point we must become conscious of the fact that it's no longer about paying for products but supporting the good and filtering out the shit. If shit gets money then the gold loses out and gets submerged even deeper under that shit since the shit gets funding.
why don't they catch them.
Please take a moment to read this old article: "The plaintiffs (musicians) claimed compensation for use of work listed on what are known in the Canadian recording industry as pending lists. These lists, accumulated over many years, contain works for which no licence was obtained and no compensation paid........ the action could have been worth up to $6-billion."
In other words the music industry owed 6 billion dollars to musicians for non-payment of songs they used w/o compensation. - LINK https://business.financialpost... And the followup: The record industry only paid 50 million of the 6000 million owed to artists: https://entertainment.slashdot...
- The Music Industry wants to scold us commoners, and yet THEY are far worse at screwing the musicians than we are.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
... that the people who fund this crap are getting their money's worth. Remember that politicians are only human and easily swayed by officious-looking paperwork, and perhaps a nice liquid lunch with one of those nice professional politician-to-lunch-taking people.
Since the "facts" are so obviously cherry-picked (and have been for ages; the whining didn't even start with the pianola but it was bad back when too) the problem is that of the consistent framing, where there are "producers" and "consumers" and the consumers must bow to the producers' wishes. Which isn't even true because it's not even so much the artists, as the big corporate entertainment conglomerates, meaning The Man behind the agent behind the artist, that's such a professional whiner-at-lunches-with-politicians.
Perhaps music lovers (perhaps even all of us who have anything at all to do with culture goods; books, music, movies, whatever) need to unite and hire lobbyists to make our case in front of our politicians. Which isn't unprecedented: The European Union pays farmers' unions to lobby their case to the EU. I'm sure stranger things have happened.
Or perhaps we just need to shoot all lobbyists and heck, most of the politicians too. At least those with beerbellies, that'd be a good start. Better work off those liquid lunches and actually do something useful for a change, or else!
What kind of fools do they think we are? We've been taping stuff off of the radio since before I was born in the 70s. Now we listen to music through YouTube and "tape" off of that instead. Only in the mind of an IP lawyer is there some kind of moral distinction here. I'll do this until it is technically infeasible to do so, and I'll sleep just fine at night.
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wow ...imagine that... meanwhile slashdot systematically blocks the blockbuster leak of Google's internal 85-page briefing they themselves named "The Good Censor" which labels valuing free speech as "utopian" in which they admit they censor , consider free speech "a political weapon" , and are angry that regular people, whom they call "have a go" people can be taken as seriously as their authority figures.
Here is the coverage the MSM is ignoring and here is the doc in full
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/09/the-good-censor-leaked-google-briefing-admits-abandonment-of-free-speech-for-safety-and-civility/
https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b33d58f79f0e4134c4f22d14f13ac0f1063192502ae469084ae6e08a6c898269.pdf/google_PIDE.pdf
That many people have access to Vinyl printing facilities, Tape recording equipment and massive quantities of blank tapes, as well as CD-Recording equipment and blank media? And all of this on a cruise-ship or fishing boat somewhere?
I mean, that is what "bootlegging" is right, which is what I assume they mean by using "pirating" which technically can only happen on the open on open water.
Oh, they mean file-sharing? That thing where people listen to music for free, and then make purchases of what they like?
The thing that costs the RIAA / equivelent in other countries members absolutely nothing?
No lost sales (people who file share typically spend more on content than people who don't), the folks who don't purchase are likely equivalent to those who used to hit record on their radio-boom-boxes to record music they wanted.
They're not in the least hurting for money but of course they have to have all the money. Then when they have everything so locked-down and monopolized they'll just raise the prices on everything, or worse: they'll try to convince everyone that paying every month forever for 'streaming' is somehow better. Yeah well fuck them no wonder people still pirate music.
The most popular form of copyright infringement is stream-ripping (32%): using easily available software to record the audio from sites like YouTube at a low-quality bit rate.
This is also known as Time shifting.
ProTip: The Supreme Court of the United States decided that Time shifting is perfectly legal Fair Use, and does NOT infringe copyright.
Pay for music? WTF?
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... and their musicians as well. Hence no surprise. They are at fault, not the "pirates".
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
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Cloud music:
can not be resold
can be deleted on the whim of the owner [ which is not you ]
costs you bandwidth to listen to, each time
only works in certain regions
may or may not work offline
only works on certain devices
no discount for limited device selection, limited access rights, and no second-sale rights
different regions need different currencies
Alternative:
-FREE
-Works everytime, everywhere
-Can be re-sold
-Works online / offline
-Doesn't expire
-Not subject to someone else's whims
-Widely available
-Same currency
"Phonographic"
cartel with a mid 20th century mind set
Piracy is easier than dealing with DRM. End of story.
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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.
Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.
There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically separate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.
If you make it impossible to listen to music with no cost, 30% will stop listening. The music industry over estimate average Joes means. I guess living in insane affluence makes it hard to understand the life of a bottom rung person.
Between Youtube and Pandora, you can hear everything you want for free anyways. Streaming services have already pretty much killed piracy in the classical 1990's sense of the word.
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rediculous.
People have their music taste developed between 12 and 18 and they stick to it all their life. To download all that music on broadband you need half an hour and you're good for life.
So I doubt that third very much.
There are lots of ways to find music and actually support the artists.
I find stuff on youtube, and if I like it I may rip it (to listen in my car). If I really like it, I will support the artist on whatever site they have (e.g. bandcamp.com) I have found quite a lot of good stuff that you will NEVER hear on any of these services that cater to the masses. Check out youtube channels or bandcamp.com, or whatever you can find. And by all means support the artists by buying their stuff.
It's usually priced right, and sends the real message to the RIAA - we don't need you any more!
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I just hate when I music along on my music when suddenly, BOOM! Music pirates firing their acoustical cannons on my vessel!
They force us to heave-to, or risk colliding with them, and throw over their limewire hooks. Repel all Billboarders! I cry to my gallant crew, but we are quickly overcome. The music pirates STREAM onto our vessel, and quickly Spotify our Pandoras box of music CDs, LPs, and cassette tapes are.
They take our hidden treasure and stream back to their ship and sail away, leaving us adrift, musicless. We try to sing or hum, but all our crew who could even carry a tune in a bucket were abducted and went off with the music pirates, damn and blast them.
At least they did not steal my ship bell.
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
I know how to pirate, and I'm very good at it. Every TV show and movie that I ever watch, I pirate. Why? Because only broken DRMed stuff is for sale. They won't sell me a workable product because they're religiously dedicated to wanting to defraud me with DRMed shit, above all else. They want to defraud me even more than they want to get clean revenue from me. So I pirate them 100%, and teach other people how to do it, and sneakernet the files to lots of people. If you're a member of my extended famliy or work at my workplace, you get GoT for free, as well as anything else like that. If I find out you pay for cable, I always slip in a remark that you can (and should) stop doing that and I'll be happy to help.
I never, ever pay for TV or movies. And I never will, as long as they're DRMed. They act like criminals so I treat them like criminals.
But I don't pirate music, because unlike video, it's actually for sale. There is no DRM, so I don't pirate it. So they make money off me. Why would I pirate it? What they sell actually works, a claim that nobody in the video business can make. The total lack of intent to commit criminal fraud is just amazing.
They might be criminals, but they don't act like criminals so I don't treat them like criminals.
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Legal options for streaming TV and music are becoming just like their cable TV counterparts. I can't find certain TV shows, movies, music without basically having each service. How the hell did they expect people would react? We wanted simple but everyone's greedy and wants their own little slice of the money pie. Services like pandora and Netflix used to have everything. Now royalty fees are creating TV channels all over again and having more and more shows, movies and music that are unique to the given service. I fucking hate this service model and so do most pirates.
Despite rise of legal streaming, a substantial number of listeners still rip music from sites such as YouTube for offline listening
From the standpoint of an independent artist, the revenue lost per stream on a "legal" platform is a 1/100th of a cent. Not a cent. A 100th of a cent.
When most independent artists put their music on streaming services, they're not expecting to be paid the way they would. The whole thing's ripped off and companies such as Spotify (Facebook) just found out a way to rip off the artists and making it 'legal'.
So if we're comparing piracy against streaming, we're talking a few dollars at most for most artists. The ones complaining about losing money are streaming companies and major label record companies. Why should major labels get a piece out of unsigned artists's pie?
Let's put it this way - even if there's a lot of crappy independent music out there, the best music out there today aren't under any major labels.
and if I really, really like it I buy. So I've got King Diamond, Fate's Warning, John Arch and Judas Priest CDs all over the place but, well, I like Udo but not enough to buy up his CDs.
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Does that include material that someone "records" from their monthly streaming service to download to their mp3 player that does not have internet/streaming capability?
Everyone thinks its all about big music labels and avoiding their greed. But all you do is just take away from the artists pockets you supposedly like. What's even more sad is that these idiots seem fine with low grade quality as long as its free. Gee parents buy everything else for their kids. So its probably not kids doing this, but adults living in their parents basements. Artists are getting hurt by streaming, illegal downloads, pirated copies. Its really a shame we use the music industries greed as a excuse for this behavior.
AAC is not proprietary to Apple. Apple isn't even a member of the AAC patent pool. However, it is encumbered by royalty-bearing patents in Slashdot's home country and others, which means it cannot be implemented in software distributed under a license that meets the FSF, DFSG, or OSI criteria for a free software license.
A lot of people have Internet access at home, at work, and in select restaurants, but no Internet access away from there. In order to afford a mobile ISP, they'd have to cancel their home ISP and make do with an oppressive monthly cap.
The music being offered is worth paying for
But how much content is pirated? 38% of the listeners might download an occasional song. But if the amount of content being acquired is down in the single digits of total distribution, it's not really a big problem.
Have gnu, will travel.
It may be that the underlying reason is that much of the music produced today is pure shit and not worth paying for.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
i purchased preowned CD's, either on sale at my record store (yes, we have one), or thrift stores, or sometimes yard sales. no sale recorded to label or artist. is that piracy? is buying a book at a used bookstore piracy? is using a library piracy? i have 2700 cd's, all burned into apple music, all physical copies owned by me.
I subscribe to google music and more on more than one occasion I've observed music going missing from my playlists because of contractual agreements / rate disputes between google and the publisher. Google doesn't make any attempt to notify their paying customers of this change to the catalog. When you obtain music thru other means and upload it to google, you never need to worry about it disappearing. Piracy gives me the ability to continue enjoying the music long after it's removed from google.
Streaming services are severely overpriced and clumsy to use. Make a good product priced fairly and get back to us.
I'm surprised its only 1/3. 10 years ago, before mobile, this would at least be 40-50%, without all the great music apps we have nowadays.
... adjust you're pricing and it will be 100%.
'Pirating' will always be present until the purchase of the music becomes a reasonable 'risk' for the money and one is allowed to move and replicate the purchase on all one's owned devices.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.