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Microsoft Tackles 'Horrifying' Bing Search Results (bbc.com)

Microsoft has "taken action" to change its Bing search engine after it was found to give "horrifying" results for some terms. From a report: Journalist Chris Hoffman discovered Bing suggested racist topics when he looked up words such as "Jews", "Muslims" and "black people". Bing also ranked widely debunked conspiracy theories among the top suggestions for other words. Mr Hoffman said Microsoft had to do better at moderating its search system. In his investigation, Mr Hoffman looked up racially-themed terms and found that the majority of suggestions for further searches that accompanied results pointed people to racist sites or images. Racist memes and images were also returned for many of the words he tried. "We all know this garbage exists on the web, but Bing shouldn't be leading people to it with their search suggestions," wrote Mr Hoffman. It is believed that the suggestions for further searches connected to these terms have emerged from a combination of user activity and concerted action by far-right groups to skew responses. [...] Jeff Jones, a senior director at Microsoft, said: "We take matters of offensive content very seriously and continue to enhance our systems to identify and prevent such content from appearing as a suggested search. As soon as we become aware of an issue, we take action to address it."

220 comments

  1. Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this horrifies you,you are pathetic

    1. Re: Horrifying? by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is it pathetic that civilized people would find it horrific that fraud and corruption are promoted? It is the job of the civilized to be horrified by cthuloid barbarism.

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    2. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re right, I was horrified when /. Posted a CVS ad between global warming articles

    3. Re:Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^Horrifying^embarrassing

    4. Re: Horrifying? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question here is whether it is a search engine's task to educate and censor or not. And it has no good answer. If you say no, you get all the horrible ignorance, arrogance, racism, x-ism, etc. but you also get a true picture of reality in the net. If you say yes, you get a "morality" that is dictated by those with power, which may well be worse.

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    5. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it MS's job to police the search results? Do we really want another version of G search?

    6. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      a true picture of reality in the net.

      I think "reality in the net" is what people are trying to avoid in favor of "reality in the real world", because the two are often not the same. Every uninformed opinion posted online is not somehow equivalent to truth of what actually happens in the world. The "vaccine debate" or climate change are perfect examples, where there are a very small number of vocal opinions which somehow get amplified and equated with the much larger number of fact-based studies. You end up with a picture that these issues are hotly debated when they're really not, they're really a lot more settled than the online discussion would lead someone to believe.

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    7. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Horrified indicates a state of mind that is fearful and irrational. Irrational people commit atrocities.

    8. Re: Horrifying? by gweihir · · Score: 2

      And how do you propose to do that? Force all people to post their opinions and then add a "reality" or "truth" score? The only thing a search engine can give you truthfully is the reality on the net, nothing else. Everything else will be some ones or some parties interpretation of how the world is or should be and it will be skewed.

      That said, I do see your point and it would be nice to have a way to represent full truth in a search engine, but I am pretty sure it cannot be done and any attempt to do so will likely be worse than the problem it addresses.

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    9. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bear in mind though, this isn't about filtering search results -- it's about the horrific suggestions it's giving. If Microsoft removes that useless feature, the problem goes away.

    10. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if it does NOT censor content, ignorance occurs? Since when does exposure to more data result in (more) ignorance? Wouldn't it be nice if sites had a rating similar to MPAA rating system? I wonder if a system could be developed which was reasonably capable of assigning such ratings?

    11. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      And how do you propose to do that?

      I think you've got me confused with someone else, I am not a search engine engineer. It's not my job to propose things like that. People smarter than us, or at least higher-paid, are working on that problem. I would imagine that it still requires a fair amount of human intervention and correction at this point. Microsoft's AI "Tay" is plenty of evidence regarding the problems of unleashing an AI to try to understand the internet.

      Part of the problem is that there is a certain segment of the population, which is small but has an outsize impact because they know how things like this work, which will actively try to undermine the entire system for the lulz. It would be an easier problem to solve if there weren't people actively trying to mess it up.

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    12. Re: Horrifying? by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Such as how the gay community managed to create a new definition that shows up first or second in response to their dislike of Rick Santorum?

    13. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No morality dictator necessary. Just a truth filter

    14. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that reality is very subjective. Even science is not objective. We think it is, and it is the best approximation of truth that we have, but it is always limited by the amount of knowledge we have attained so far. It is IMPOSSIBLE to objectively determine the truth of most things and anyone who says otherwise is basic.

    15. Re: Horrifying? by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Walled gardens need to identify themselves as such. Also, there needs to bea choice - I don't have a problem with a (self-declared) censoring search engine, if I have an alternative, any more than I object to searches having a "safe search" mode as long as I can turn it off.

      I'm worried about the effect this will have on DDG to the extent it still fronts Bing, however.

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    16. Re: Horrifying? by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      Will you accept it if smarter people tell you any "solution" to the problem is worse than the problem itself?

    17. Re: Horrifying? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      If you say no, you get all the horrible ignorance, arrogance, racism, x-ism, etc. but you also get a true picture of reality in the net.

      No. Example: non-batshit people aren't searching for "do vaccines cause..." at all. Hence the only history the search engine has for auto complete are the things the batshit people are searching for. The fact that a few batshit people searched for something doesn't make it the "reality in the net".

    18. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      If they have reasonable data to support that then of course I'm willing to change my mind.

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    19. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      The problem is that reality is very subjective.

      It's not though. People are subjective, reality is not. When light from the sun reflects off a given object, that light has a certain wavelength. The fact that different people might interpret that light differently does not change the objective fact that the wavelength is measurable and constant. The wavelength of that light is an objective fact even if different eyes interpret the same wavelength as different colors.

      It is IMPOSSIBLE to objectively determine the truth of most things and anyone who says otherwise is basic.

      Such a blanket statement is very basic. Not everything is one extreme or another.

      Now let's try to apply this to the topic at hand. If someone searches for "jews" on a search engine, would it be "more correct" to present them with a bunch of conspiracy theories about Jews, or would it be "more correct" to present them with a history of the Jewish people as we know it?

      That answer does not require a debate on the nature of objective truth.

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    20. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure if Bing returned BDS results for searches on Israel Hoffman would be screaming "shut it down!"

    21. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      That didn't happen. What did happen, and yes, what is a good example, is that a small group of people gamed the system to make it behave the way they wanted it to. It would not be correct to say that "the gay community" as a whole did that though. Like with any other group of people, it only takes a very small subset to make themselves vocal. In the case of Rick Santorum, he probably should have known to expect some kind of backlash when he's comparing homosexuality to bestiality and making un-American statements suggesting that people do not have the right to privacy concerning their sex lives. But it was a fairly small group that caused their own definition to be ranked at the top of searches for his last name, so yes that's a good example of a small group of people gaming the system. There's also a discussion to be had about whether that term, defined in 2003, is actually a valid term on its own now. Or, whether Dan Savage succeeded in "memorializing the scandal." Maybe that is in fact a valid definition at this point, so maybe it is actually correct for search engines to return that definition.

      So, yeah, an interesting topic. If people are actually referring to the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex as "santorum", then wouldn't it be correct for a search engine to indicate that? A linguist would suggest this term has been used for 15 years. Dictionaries seem to add pop-culture terms in less time. Searching for that term yields results about Rick Santorum, the definition of his last name as it relates to anal sex, and articles about the term and definition itself, so that seems like the behavior one would expect.

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    22. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not have a right to not be offended in a free society. Speak for yourself, I think the majority if us prefer free speech. It is not Microsoft or anyonee else's place to dictate what is and isn't acceptable in search results.

    23. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Jew here.

      Your "conspiracy theories" are often rooted in truth, if not outright facts, but called conspiracy by people who don't like their narrative disrupted.

      Asians are generally better at math. Demonstrably so.

      Orthodox jews cut off the tips of baby penis, and then suck the blood from the wound. You can see pictures and videos of it, but only on Bing.

    24. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I say it is impossible to declare truth of your statement, and if you claim otherwise, you're wrong.

    25. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that they often aren't smarter. Just louder, more smug, and more condescending.

      Just look at Google. It's full of arrogant self-satisfied assholes, but they are confused about which bathroom to use.

    26. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have reasonable data to support that then of course I'm willing to change my mind.

      The question is are you smart enough to determine if the data reasonable? What would make the data reasonable? Will you believe the smarter people if they say that the data is reasonable? How would you know?

    27. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multiple wavelengths of light reflect off and depending on whether or not you're wearing sunglasses (a filter), you may see a different color than someone else. Then, if you're standing at a slightly different angle (viewing with a different perspective), the light could reflect at a different angle and distort how you see it. The exact same facts seen through a different filter (subjectively omitting or emphasizing parts of the whole) and from a different perspective can have completely different meaning.

    28. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The suggestions are likely based on what most people that search for those terms actually click to view. It's likely that most normal people don't search for things directly related to race and religious groups. I could care less if someone is a Jew, Black, Muslim, etc. I don't search for those terms because I have no reason to put various groups in to buckets. So what you probably have is a small group of racists searching for such things to find opinions that match theirs as well as a small group of SJW types also searching for such content so they can scream how racist everyone is (and then complain that the algorithm is biased (and racist) to the searches they've been doing).

    29. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small groups wielding disproportionate amounts of power. Unheard of!!!

    30. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "More correct" in a fantasy version of the internet where the interwebs is some kind of encyclopedia. It is not. Presenting it as such is distorting the reality of it.

      Yes, conspiracy theories and other bullshit should come on top because that is what dominates the web now.

    31. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a very small number of vocal opinions which somehow get amplified and equated with the much larger number of fact-based studies. You end up with a picture that these issues are hotly debated when they're really not, they're really a lot more settled than the online discussion would lead someone to believe."

      Science can be a religion too. The holy texts replaced by industry funded studies rigged to produce the results they want. That's TRUTH. But if you're not following the scientific consensus, you're wandering in the darkness, and nobody wants do be doing that. Just look at how badly wrong the medical community got basic nutrition over the past 50 years. That's with little malevolence influence, just egos and people deciding the debate had already been settled.
      I'm not sure how censoring search engines helps things.

    32. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a true picture of reality in the net.

      I think "reality in the net" is what people are trying to avoid in favor of "reality in the real world", because the two are often not the same. Every uninformed opinion posted online is not somehow equivalent to truth of what actually happens in the world. The "vaccine debate" or climate change are perfect examples, where there are a very small number of vocal opinions which somehow get amplified and equated with the much larger number of fact-based studies. You end up with a picture that these issues are hotly debated when they're really not, they're really a lot more settled than the online discussion would lead someone to believe.

      OTOH, MS should just wake up and realise that nobody is using their damn bing search

    33. Re: Horrifying? by jd · · Score: 1

      Actually, you do.

      There is no absolute free speech, even in an anarchy, nor should there be.

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    34. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >fronts Bing

      ummm... ddg isn't a 'front' for bing.

      "...emphasizes returning the best results, rather than the most results, generating those results from over 400 individual sources, including crowdsourced sites such as Wikipedia, and other search engines like Bing, Yahoo!, and Yandex"

    35. Re: Horrifying? by Tanon · · Score: 1

      I agree, we wouldn't want those batshit people to find stuff like this:

      Link

    36. Re: Horrifying? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      What's the problem with Concurrent Versioning System aside from the fact it's old and newer alternatives are better?

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    37. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 5-6 people I knowbthatbwork at google are pretty nice (and smart) people...

    38. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ther's nothong sacrosanct about how search algorithms are programed today. They were made by exactly the same people in the same institutions that will contine to change them going forward.

      I feel like this is a bunch of faux outrage because that's just what we like to do these days. Talk shit about people. *Eapecially* the successful ones.

    39. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we really need is an unelected clique of smarmy self-righteous lawyers to tell us what we're allowed to think!!

      Heil Hillary! Death to freedom! Down with the working class! Long live the financial oligarchy! Heil Hillary!

    40. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. Only batshit crazy corporate bootlickers believe - with FAITH - that forcibly injecting crazy chemicals into children is OBVIOUSLY a great idea.

    41. Re: Horrifying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on - down with freedom of speech! Long live the oligarchy!

    42. Re: Horrifying? by lgw · · Score: 1

      DDG was originally an anonymizing front-end for Bing (as Startpage is for Google). They've been moving away from that over the years, but a damaged Bing still damages DDG.

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    43. Re: Horrifying? by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      Just like the words in the Bible are facts which are contorted to caress an agenda? There they are on paper....and this is what they mean...trust me, God said so and he wrote this shit. You are pathetic.

    44. Re: Horrifying? by ComputerKarate · · Score: 1

      Bingo

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    45. Re: Horrifying? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The question here is whether it is a search engine's task to educate and censor or not.

      Are these search engines run and usage mandated by the Government... No you say... Then there is no censorship what so ever.

      Microsoft, Google, Whomever owns DDG, these are all private organisations. They can display whatever results they like as long as the law is complied with, they can also choose not to display what they don't like. For a private, profit driven organisation it then becomes a question of "will this make or lose us money" and well, lets face it, the overwhelming majority of people don't like racism, sexism and other bigotry, especially when combined with ignorance and arrogance. So it's a business decision to give the majority what they ask for, it's like a Subway in a majority Hindu area omitting beef from its menu because the majority of customers will not buy it.

      Ultimately, the racist, sexist or otherwise bigoted customers have the choice to not use Bing or Google.

      And I would also apply this to the likes of Fox News. They can serve their customer base in which ever legal way they choose, those who don't like it can simply unsubscribe. My only issue is with them calling themselves a news agency, they don't fit the technical definition and in countries where "news" means presenting facts and not opinions, they have listed themselves as a light entertainment channel (they keep the "news" moniker under the guise of parody).

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    46. Re: Horrifying? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The problem is that reality is very subjective.

      It's not though. People are subjective, reality is not.

      This is not about reality, but descriptions and perceptions of reality. They are very subjective.

      It is IMPOSSIBLE to objectively determine the truth of most things and anyone who says otherwise is basic.

      Such a blanket statement is very basic. Not everything is one extreme or another.

      It is impossible to determine objectively the truth of most things that involve people and, especially, politics. This is something many people do not understand though, usually because they are convinced they have the truth in an effect that Dunning and Kruger described nicely.

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    47. Re: Horrifying? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      So you are not qualified to offer a solution, but you presume to be qualified to judge data that supports a specific solution? That does not work.

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    48. Re: Horrifying? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong. Everyone has opinions. Some people stick to their opinions regardless of any evidence contradicting them. Others are open to changing their opinions when presented with counter evidence. I like I think I'm in the latter group on most issues. Many people are in the former.

      I'm just not a search engine engineer, that's not what I work on. I work on other problems, that's where my focus is. I don't particularly care to drop what I'm doing and focus on someone else's job in a volunteer role, but if those people want to present their solutions and data supporting them then maybe I'll take a look if I'm interested and have the time. I don't know why you seem opposed to that.

      If you want to look at my posts in this thread I don't think you'll see anything suggesting that I'm some sort of authority on search engines, I'm just offering my opinion. Like you are, except I'm trying to stick to my opinion on the topic and you seem to want to offer your opinion on me.

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    49. Re: Horrifying? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, I am just a bit tired of people asking for technology to do things it cannot actually do and then chickening out when asked "and how do you think that could work?". I do get your stance now (I think), so my apologies and thanks for the explanation.

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    50. Re: Horrifying? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Uh oh, someone actually read those articles.

      In response to the events in Europe, CDC reviewed data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and found no indication of any association between U.S.-licensed H1N1 or seasonal influenza vaccine and narcolepsy.

      In 2014, CDC published a study on the association between 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines, 2010/2011 seasonal influenza vaccines, and narcolepsy. The analysis included more than 650,000 people who received the pandemic flu vaccine in 2009 and over 870,000 people who received the seasonal flu vaccine in 2010/2011. The study found that vaccination was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy.

      CDC recommends influenza vaccination as the best way to protect from influenza disease and its complications. See CDC influenza vaccine

      https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesaf...

      From that lil' old group known as the Center for Disease Control. But what do they know?

    51. Re: Horrifying? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Oh hi there troll. I can tell your level of conviction by the way you can't even associate an account here on /. with your posts. You must *really* believe in this stuff.

    52. Re: Horrifying? by Tanon · · Score: 1

      The US had a different batch of vaccines, dipshit, with no adjuvant added. From that lil' old group the CDC, asshole:

      Link

    53. Re: Horrifying? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      That's the article I linked genius.

      The US had a different batch of vaccines, dipshit,

      And.... so? What are you trying to say? The CDC concluded no evidence by studying a populace that was not given the vaccine? Is that what you think?

      In 2014, CDC published a study on the association between 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines, 2010/2011 seasonal influenza vaccines, and narcolepsy. The analysis included more than 650,000 people who received the pandemic flu vaccine in 2009 and over 870,000 people who received the seasonal flu vaccine in 2010/2011. The study found that vaccination was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy.

      Take a moment and read that.

  2. Try writing better searches by macxcool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd appreciate a search engine that gives me exactly what I search for. I can filter things myself and get better at searching and get what I'm looking for that way.

    1. Re: Try writing better searches by jd · · Score: 2

      How can you filter yourself? If you know the results of a search beforehand, why bother with the search? Surely the point of research/searches is to go beyond what you know and therefore what you can filter.

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    2. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's reasonable to think that the vast majority of people looking up these terms are not looking for racist memes. This is a variant of Google bombing.

    3. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it really?

    4. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole point of a search engine is to filter results when searching. Why would you use a search engine that only gave irrelevant results rather than filtering them out?

    5. Re:Try writing better searches by MrMr · · Score: 1

      I actually think Bing does very well. If you search for images of 'jews' without any context it, correctly, assumes you're a bigot looking for racist topics. That would also be my first guess from the search command. Good piece of coding, at least better than I would have expected.

    6. Re:Try writing better searches by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

      Huh? A search engine by its very nature filters results. That's the whole reason you provide it with search terms which it uses to filter out things. Otherwise what would be the point?

    7. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think the opposite.

      If you type the name of a race into a search bar whatever you're looking for is probably racist juts by the fact that it's by definition singling out a race of people for some purpose. Doubly so if you use an archaic name that's now considered a slur.

    8. Re:Try writing better searches by SoonerSkeene · · Score: 1

      It will still give you precisely what you actually ask for, you just have to press enter. The only thing they're doing is setting it not to "SUGGEST" those terms before you even type them.

    9. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you search for images of 'jews' without any context it, correctly, assumes you're a bigot looking for racist topics.

      If a search has no context, no assumptions should be "correct" to assume. You might as well claims that, given no context, a search for images of children means that the searcher is a paedophile.

      It's implicit in your base condition: "no context" means you have no basis on which to assume anything.

    10. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An individual's definition of "relevant" is different than the group's definition of "relevant". Most search engines conflate popularity with relevancy and this is what you get. Just look at stackoverflow. The top ranked "answers" are many times crap and the -1 answer is often enough spot on.

    11. Re:Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No sane person would use Bing anyway! Bing searches have proved to horribly corrupted by Micro$haft! Search for anything that should return results that are detrimental to Micro$haft or their image, and Bing returns results on how great M$ and its products are!!

    12. Re:Try writing better searches by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      I'd appreciate a search engine that gives me exactly what I search for. I can filter things myself and get better at searching and get what I'm looking for that way.

      And if you build or pay for it then you can have just that.

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    13. Re: Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if I start my search with dirty, it won't suggest n1ggers anymore? That's disheartening.

    14. Re:Try writing better searches by tquasar · · Score: 1

      That's a requirement when I know some key words will goto the wrong site or return a BS response.

    15. Re:Try writing better searches by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      You would be surprised. One early instance of this problem appeared when searching "jew" on Google led to an anti-semitic website.
      Here is an explanation, straight from Google in 2004 https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      The relevant part

      If you use Google to search for "Judaism," "Jewish" or "Jewish people," the results are informative and relevant. So why is a search for "Jew" different? One reason is that the word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. Jewish organizations are more likely to use the word "Jewish" when talking about members of their faith.

      Interestingly, Google refused to fix the results and most people understood the issue were fine with it, even the Anti-Defamation League. The ADL later contacted Google in order to find a solution that didn't involve censorship. IIRC the issue ended up being fixed with a Google bomb. People massively linked the word "jew" to the corresponding Wikipedia article, and it worked.

    16. Re:Try writing better searches by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So you want to search for "anti-Semitism" to get these results, not "Jew". Or maybe "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories" if you want to read about, say, Cultural Marxism.

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    17. Re: Try writing better searches by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      All to easy to filter for yourself. Just provide a reason to log into a search engine by allowing users to block web sites from turning up in searches. Over time this block can be used to filter out those crappy sites. They do no want to do this because the worst sites are the ones they are paid to shove in your face over and over and over again. Like all the crap American news sites, corporate propaganda on steroids, the last sites you could be bothered going to for news and yet always the first ones served up.

      As for hate, well, what the fuck if the person using the search is looking for it ie so they dont give a fuck what the person is actually looking for, they want to show them what they believe is good for that person ie vote for our politician the one we paid for at the lobbyists office and only our favourite news advertising platform is worth going to for political information about our bought and paid for politicians, buy it ?, now, buy it ? in volume, you'll die if you don't buy ?, if you buy it ?, it will make you happy and your genitals will thrive (what ever the fuck it ? is at the time).

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    18. Re: Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have plenty of context , as the OP conjectured (and is maybe true?) most people that search for the single word of either discussed are nazi or pedo in this theory, so presenting them that content is contextually right in search engine terms. Perhaps morally wrong.

    19. Re: Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just means that must racist use MS Windows + InternetExplorer/Edge + Bing.

      Why? Because they are ask too stupid to change any defaults, clearly, because they are all intellectually challenged, in their own ways.

      And Bing's algorithm learns from previous searches (by other stupid racists).

      Pretty straight forward, I think.

    20. Re: Try writing better searches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between a search engine filtering out things because of your search query (as you state, itâ(TM)s nature) or a search engine filtering out things because it is offensive. The later is censorship.
      I get that they take this action, but Iâ(TM)m also wary that this is usually a pretext for larger scale censorship and result manipulation as is being done by Google.

  3. Easy solution by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

    Just create a list of words for which no suggestions will be provided.

    1. Re:Easy solution by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

      Words like "Eastasia", "Eurasia" for example? or only when combined with the word "war"?

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    2. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, go with the Google standard: ban words like "human rights", "June 4th", Falun Gong", "decency", or "Pooh".

    3. Re: Easy solution by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Let people define their own lists, so they do not get horrified.

  4. I thought searches were supposed to reflect realit by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If those pages are the type people are reading most often for those given search terms then Bing is doing its job. I don't expect morality to be a weighting factor for a query (horrible as that may be).

  5. algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If( searchTerms.isRacist() )
    {
    Result.rankHigher();
    }

  6. Lack of censorship was the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    reason I sometimes use Bing. Thanks for killing the one advantage Bing had.

    1. Re:Lack of censorship was the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I think Microsoft wants Bing to fail. If they ruin porn searches then I'll be convinced of that.

    2. Re:Lack of censorship was the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mah conservative views!!

    3. Re:Lack of censorship was the only... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Bing is heavily censored. They even operate in China, that's how good their censorship tech is.

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  7. Oy vey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These search results are like anudda shoah! Remember the 600 million!

  8. What you really want by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd appreciate a search engine that gives me exactly what I search for.

    No you wouldn't. You want something that will return the information you are seeking. That is often not going to be what you actually searched for. Furthermore that isn't a valid justification for a search engine returning the sorts of "horrifying" results Bing is evidently prone to in places where they should not reasonably be expected.

    I can filter things myself and get better at searching and get what I'm looking for that way.

    Even if true that doesn't mean that is the best way to do it and it also doesn't mean other people want to search that way. I sure as hell value a search engine that isn't rock dumb and that can help me get to the information I'm seeking. If I want to seek out some bogus conspiracy theories or racists propaganda there probably should be some extra steps involved in getting to that.

    1. Re:What you really want by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      You are correct. Well, maybe both of you are.

      Sometimes I have no idea what I'm searching for. I have a vague idea, but I don't know what it's called, the words used to describe etc. So I start searching using the words that come to mind to describe it, fail, learn, try again.

      I'd love it if the system could read my mind. If I was speaking with a Reference Librarian s/he would ask me questions and help direct me towards what I wanted.

      However, I probably wouldn't appreciate seeing "horrifying" results. Of course if I was searching on the history of Jews -- I might see something horrifying, and it would probably be an acceptable result.

      I just don't want to see the "fake" results and run the risk of becoming a member of a devil worshiping cult. :-P

    2. Re:What you really want by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Well, when I look up the word "honkey", I want to get a search result to know what it means.

      I just checked, and yup...Bing still gives relevant results.

      Unless of course, that is the only derogatory term that is still PC to say/use....?

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    3. Re:What you really want by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I for one, would appreciate an exact match only search engine. Do you know of one?

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    4. Re:What you really want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racists gonna race. The ones racing Porches race harder.

  9. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by jd · · Score: 2

    Search engines aren't supposed to return what is the most popular, but what is the most useful. Nobody ever needs to be told what they already know, only what they need to also know.

    When you have a positive feedback loop, it's always good to stop the cycle before things get destroyed.

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  10. Why not have a neutral search engine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why would we want any search engine with censored content? SJWs have killed liberalism. SJW does NOT equal Liberal; it's the opposite.

    On the right political spectrum, there was once the "moral majority" with Jerry Falwell that advocated similar censorship. Thank God that moviement fizzled away. But why is such fascist behavior now embraced as "SJW" "woke" "uber liberal" ??? It flys agaisnt all that true liberalism embodies.

    This SJW trend is all facism under various guises by people who think they know what's better for you than you yourself.

    1. Re:Why not have a neutral search engine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn, another whiny RWNJ going on about none existant leftists.

  11. Sadly, reality has a /pol/-leaning bias by Rasatsu · · Score: 2

    It is rather amusing to watch this thing that we here at /. 20 years ago assumed would usher in a new era of transnational singularity-driven technocracy. .. ...

    Yet it turns out fuuucking /pol/ is always right. fuck. I never wanted to end up knowing all this shit.

    1. Re:Sadly, reality has a /pol/-leaning bias by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yet it turns out fuuucking /pol/ is always right. fuck. I never wanted to end up knowing all this shit.

      Even though Microsoft pulled the plug on Tay, she will always love you. Never forget they murdered her.

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  12. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 1, Troll

    And who decides what is the "most useful" ?

    Bing search:
        Migrate from Windows to Linux

    "Useful" results Microsoft think you need :

        - 10 reasons why you don't want to migrate to Linux
        - Linux is too complicated. Here's why...
        - Think twice before migrating to Linux
        - You can get fired for choosing Linux solutions

        - ... (213 links later) Easy migration guide to Linux
       

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  13. it depends by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The problem is that anyone who's been awake in the last few years knows that not everything called racist actually is racist, in any meaningful way.

    Who gets to decide? Well, in the past, you did (modulo a large bunch of publishers and broadcasters and libraries and such).

    Now? Something gets "deplatformed" and you will never see it to decide for yourself. It's too easy now to just "disappear" people and ideas.

    I have no problem with filters per se, as long as they are accessible - I generally have Google's safe search on, if using Google, for example. If Bing wants to have a "Filters" panel, and a checkbox that says "hide what Bing thinks is racist", great.

    1. Re:it depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quiet bigot. Disagreement is violence.

      We are all equal and respected in the new morality. Now be silent you white male cis-het subhuman scumfuck.

  14. Re:I thought searches were supposed to reflect rea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racist faggot apologist Joey Rox wants to search Bing for racism apparently, that's what he expects when he types "jews" or "black people" because Conservatism today is 100% about being a racist faggot on the internet, now.

  15. Bing: What is Winter Sunlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
    ipfs.io

  16. Google Vs Bing by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1, Funny

    Google and Bing are very different in wholesomeness.

    Googling "Girl Licking Tits" would probably show you pictures of a girl licking British song birds as top image result.
    Bing search "McDonalds" would probably show you a picture of Ronald having a threesome with the Hamburgler and that purple blob creature as top image result.

    FYI I, for good reason, haven't actually done either of the searches above- these responses are dramatazisations.

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    1. Re:Google Vs Bing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      As a test, I searched 'girls licking tits' on both Bing and Google. The results are indistinguishable. Porn, lots of porn. On both standard and image search. When I tried again with safesearch mode on, however.... google returns no images, and bing shows a warning that results were blocked due to safesearch.

      There is one difference, however. Google has search filtering on or off. Bing has three levels, of which the 'moderate' is the default. On this default, bing blocked the image search, but did not filter text search.

      It is worth noting that both engines, when in their strictest filtering mode, outright refused to process the query in any manner - returning either no results (google) or no results and a suggestion to turn filtering off (bing).

      If you want to really test it, you really need a term which is explicit yet also obscure enough to get through the filter.

    2. Re:Google Vs Bing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Found it: On default settings, Bing's image filtering proves quite ineffective in filtering a query on 'yiff.' My speculation is that their filtering algorithm might be based in part upon image feature extraction, and so less effective on artwork than upon the photos upon which it was trained. It does block a lot of material, but more than enough slips through to make for a rather interesting page of image results.

      They did have the foresight to block any query on 'hentai.' I tried that one first, but it must have been too obvious and earned some manual intervention.

      I'm not going to test google, because it knows me too well - results wouldn't be representative.

    3. Re:Google Vs Bing by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      It is worth noting that both engines, when in their strictest filtering mode, outright refused to process the query in any manner - returning either no results (google) or no results and a suggestion to turn filtering off (bing).

      This suggests a striking lack of content online concerning the habit that British women have of licking their songbirds. See, you can't trust search engines.

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    4. Re:Google Vs Bing by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      As a test, I searched 'girls licking tits' on both Bing and Google.

      Thank you for doing this in the name of science! :)

      I was obviously exaggerating the difference between Google and Bing; however, I've learnt the hard way not to use bing image search when I have people in my office and I need to look for an image for a project. Innocent search terms seem to pull up less than innocent results. It could be anecdotal, I've heard other people have the same issue.

      It would be interesting to do an in depth study on this. How do I get government funding?

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    5. Re:Google Vs Bing by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Girl Licking Tits

      /Sarcasm Oooh a new fetish to search for! How do I filter out the boobies and only include the birds?

      Oh wait, did I say that out loud? :-)

    6. Re:Google Vs Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could have gone without knowing the word 'yiff' but well.
      I did just try 'hentai' on ddg, and the strict search blocks everything with some sad muted smiley and a notice that safe search blocked it all. On "Moderate" safe search it gives surprisingly adequate results! But I don't really want to watch all these non-nude anime drawings of 13-year-old girls. Beware of the Japanese.

    7. Re:Google Vs Bing by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      As a test, I searched 'girls licking tits' on both Bing and Google. The results are indistinguishable. Porn, lots of porn.

      As it should be.

    8. Re:Google Vs Bing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There's an occasional joke about someone who wonders if monosodium glutamate is safe for pets and searches for "E621 dog."

  17. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Vintermann · · Score: 1

    It's not about popularity, certainly not overall popularity. Search engines are optimized towards returning whatever the people searching are actually looking for. If you're the sort who type in a query starting with "the jews", quite likely it's antisemitic material that you're looking for and will find "most useful" (or at least click on, which is all they know). There's no need to assume right-wing manipulation here; I only wish the racist fringe wasted time skewing Bing results on queries made almost 100% by their own.

    The algorithm can't be expected to learn on its own that such material is objectively junk, if the searchers think it's good. We probably wouldn't want it to try. But letting humans manually fiddle with specific search results carries its own problems.

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  18. You think 'filter' means never see? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You can filter yourself by finding bad results and excluding them. Have you never gotten bad results in your searches before? You do realize that most people filter out results after examining them because they know they don't want them, right? You seem to be using 'filter' to mean that a person should never even know they exist to begin with, as if it's their job to shelter us from even knowing that people might disagree with us about things.

    If they hide results from us, we'll never know what's out there. How would you, say, do a report on conspiracy theories if there's an organized effort to hide any such results from people deliberately looking for them because merely knowing the information exists is now 'horrific'?

    Or is your point that people have to be completely protected from 'bad' information? Which information is bad? Maybe we should get rid of works that have historically led to mass violence on a global scale? Let's see, topping the death charts on that would be... the Communist Manifesto, Koran and Mein Kampf. Gotta burn 'em all?

    1. Re:You think 'filter' means never see? by jd · · Score: 1

      Would you rather science journals publish ads as articles? It would utterly destroy science and set back civilization, but at least you'd see everything. Sales of brain bleach would sky rocket.

      Nobody wants everything, nor should they suffer it. Even you don't want everything.

      Signal to noise matters.

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    2. Re: You think 'filter' means never see? by illiac_1962 · · Score: 0

      No. That's the media's job...to turn science into ads.

    3. Re:You think 'filter' means never see? by drewlake2000 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the bible, #1 in murder and violence inspiration.

  19. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    And being a progressive is all about being a homophobe apparently

  20. But is it really appropriate for MS to filter? by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see "deprioritize" yes.

    But if it comes to full removal filtering from the complete long-list of search results, that seems like a dangerous precedent.

    It may be targeting universally objectionable racist stuff now, but it is a slippery slope to make MS, Google, and Facebook the moral police.

    What if they start filtering out the postings of supporters of "trade enemy" countries. as being flamebait. Or start filtering out unpopular opinions phrased with strong language. This starts to sound exactly like the great totalitarian firewall of China.

    A better solution might be search-user tweakable prioritization / filter settings, with "tame" default settings.

    That way, a journalist researching, or a historian documenting, racist crap on the internet could find what they're looking for.

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    1. Re:But is it really appropriate for MS to filter? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      Let the free market do its job. I've long considered Bing to be a censored leftwing version of the already leftwing google, this just makes it more so.

      If you don't like it, use a different search engine.

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    2. Re:But is it really appropriate for MS to filter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn , RWNJ thinks anything left of Genghis Khan is leftisi. The irony, when the US has no genuine left is stunning.

    3. Re:But is it really appropriate for MS to filter? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The United States is really governed by the left wingers on Wall Street, not Washington DC

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  21. I binged âoeslashdot poster jdâ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And got back a bunch of pictures of lady boys

  22. So tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it that everything that tells the truth needs to be fixed? Search engines... AI... crime statistics... IQ testing...

    1. Re:So tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because that's what people in general want?

    2. Re: So tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything you just listed is skewed in favor of the white man.

    3. Re: So tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of nobody has been able to devise tests that skew in favor of anyone else.

  23. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by HarrySquatter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I did a Bing search none of those things were on any of the 5 pages I scrolled. The first result was a linux.com 'Windows to Linux Mogration Guide.' So basically, your post is complete and total bullshit.

  24. The Problem With Filtering is... by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Someone else is deciding what is, "Horrifying".

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    1. Re:The Problem With Filtering is... by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

      ...and how will you know what they really say, or want to do to you?

    2. Re:The Problem With Filtering is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I love discussions like this on slashdot. All you have to do is scroll a bit through the comments to find the insane, extremist libertarian viewpoint.

      I find it disturbing how the people who push this nonsense never seem to consider that being part of a society means participating the decisions that affect us all, from Internet filtering to lawmaking. There I go again, forgetting how much easier it is to sit on your ass and toss out flippant comments than it is to actually work to make things better.

      Carry on. I'm sure you (plural) will.

    3. Re:The Problem With Filtering is... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      means participating the decisions that affect us all

      Except you don't get to participate. Only people at M.S. will participate.

      Sorry if that seems like an, "extremest" view to you.

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    4. Re:The Problem With Filtering is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "insane, extremist libertarian viewpoint" is embodied in the First Amendment to the US Constitution.
      The answer to bad speech is not censorship, but better speech.
      A search engine is supposed to give relevant results. To pretend that offensive results are irrelevant is to cripple the search engine. And for what benefit? Will hiding the offensive eliminate it? Does forcing racists underground stop them, or change their minds?
      Can't we disapprove of what they say, while still defending their right to say it?

    5. Re: The Problem With Filtering is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil.

      Lol. But if you don't know about evil then how will you know it is evil?

    6. Re:The Problem With Filtering is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Search engines should not filter anything. If you think they should, you're a very bad person and you are the problem. Burying your head in the sand does not make things you don't like cease to exist. Creating a fake world for you and your authoritarian friends to live in isn't doing anyone any good.

  25. It is horrifying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is horrifying because our culture has run amok concerning political matters and it is common to include opposing views with true racism as a means to oppress their political opposition. it is so obvious individuals and tech companies are intentionally and unintentionally interchanging racism/hate with non-racist policies they disagree with. The fact is the behavior of the intentional side is indeed rooted in hate and so completely obvious it is not debatable. This oppressive, fascist behavior is very disturbing to say the least.

    I find it hilarious not only because liberals are so unhinged and irrational over the current administration but also because they fail to recognize the other half of the country was totally repulsed by Obama's complete failure to economically strengthen us and bolster national security in general. Not to mention inability to maintain strong, leadership globally and his seemingly ever growing rap sheet of scandals. And it still grows even though he is out of office. Given the fact his legacy has all but unraveled, what little remains his legacy will forever exist infamously.

  26. there are 10 types of people searching those... by magarity · · Score: 1

    ... words combined with each other: racists nutcases and people looking for something to be offended by.

    1. Re:there are 10 types of people searching those... by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And as soon as Bing does exactly what one expects it to do--show the most-clicked items--then the person who looked to be offended can be satisfied that his fears are well-proven, that indeed this shows "concerted action by far-right groups to skew responses." Of course far-right (or the media's beloved alt-right) people are not the only ones who are racist and who click on racist memes. But as long as we can play the blame game and "prove" the evil of some sinister Other, then we can be well-assured of our own basic righteousness. I think the Chris Hoffmans of the world might be terribly sad on the day when all search engines are filtered enough to avoid the slightest offense, because then they might be forced to look critically at themselves, and that is a terrifying prospect.

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  27. CONCLUSION: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .....BING is finally human.

  28. What were the search terms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly computers do not always distinguish what is racist or disturbing to some. Maybe what's important is how is relevancy determined when in fact people have different ideals of what is acceptable and what is not? As someone else said, the web is full of crap and trying to sift through with good results you may actually want will still probably give you crap sometimes. I find that with Google, DuckDuckGo and of course Bing. Google apparently is better at this given how popular it is over any other search engine.

  29. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by gweihir · · Score: 1

    "Useful" is a loaded term, easily abused. What, for example, would be "useful" to a racist, a sexist, a religious fanatic, or a republican?

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  30. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Hehehehe, nice!!

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  31. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Calydor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Swedish media have been caught making the decision not to report on events regarding muslim immigrants because those reports would be beneficial for the (politically) unpopular part Sverigedemokraterna. This wasn't about racist memes - it was about choosing not to report factual truth about things that actually happened because it was not politically correct to do so.

    Is that what you want the internet to become? In that case, quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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  32. P/C garbage.. Just consult the... by bobbied · · Score: 0

    Just consult the "Ministry of Truth" to decide if the search result should be returned to the user or not. This is dangerous!

    Why does any search engine need to modify it's results for other than ad money?

    I get the filtering of "adult" subjects as a matter of convenience, but why does Bing or Google care what their key word searches return? I would think that starting down this road is obviously a bad idea, or do we figure that Google and Bing are somehow tasked with controlling speech? Cause that's where this logically goes... Personally, I think search engines should CLEARLY tell us what filtering they are doing and how they rank results, or provide a way to bypass their filtering and ranking adjustments and return the unmodified results on demand.

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    1. Re:P/C garbage.. Just consult the... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      , but why does Bing or Google care what their key word searches return?

      Because that's what the majority of customers want... or rather- more people don't want to see "offensive" pages in a search than people who would get upset about "offensive" pages being removed. It's all about money; neither Microsoft or Google are doing this (or not doing this) because of politics. They just want to maximum number of eyes, and the maximum number of ad revenue flowing through their web pages.

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    2. Re:P/C garbage.. Just consult the... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I wasn't specifically targeting politically motivated adjustments to query results, but ALL filtering of results.

      I'm suggesting that any filtering be clearly explained by the site returning results OR that they allow users to "opt out" of the filters if they choose.

      So, if some search engine wishes to be "family friendly" and strictly filter out any pages they deem to be "adult" content, that's fine, they simply have to advertise themselves as doing this. IF they don't advertise as "family friendly" they can still return "safe" results, but they have to provide unaltered search results at a user's request.

      Again, if someone wants to provide a politically motivated set of search results, Say if they want to market themselves as "politically correct" but don't specify their filtering criteria, they can do that, but they have to provide an "opt out of filtering" set of results. If they put their filtering criteria out saying we remove any links that point at or are found on a list of websites but don't provide a bypass, they can do that too.

      So I'm saying you must disclose your filtering techniques, or allow them to be bypassed. I don't care how or what you filter, you just have to either tell me what rules you use or allow me to see unmodified results if I want.

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    3. Re:P/C garbage.. Just consult the... by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Why does any search engine need to modify it's results for other than ad money?

      That's exactly what's going on. Google and Bing search are wholly supported by ad money. It's bad for business to have offensive results. Advertisers do not want their ads shown inline with offensive material. If that happens, you get folks claiming the advertiser supports the offensive material (which I guess they do, indirectly, by paying out to the platform that served the material).

      why does Bing or Google care what their key word searches return?

      See above.

      Google and Bing are somehow tasked with controlling speech?

      No, just their revenue. They'll do what's good for business.

  33. Bing the official... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump Search engine. I wonder how much Trump would charge Microsoft for branding?

  34. The last time I used Bing it was 100% garbage. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    The last time I used Bing, I was searching for something innocuous.

    Every result I got was one of my search words used in "www.<word>.com/", or something very similar. Every one was the root of the website that it returned.

    Utterly Useless.

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  35. A search should work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm tired hearing the whiners complaining about censorship. It isn't censorship if you are trying to design your tool to work how you want it to. If anything, you all are trying to censor Bing devs from making the search engine work how they want.

    Nowhere did they day, they we're going to remove the offensive results from any search. They just said their algorithm is not returning the correct result from the search terms. According to them the correct results for Jew should not include anti-jewish racist sites, etc.

    Imagine that? Devs that actually want their tools to work the way they want them to.

    1. Re: A search should work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not care if they want their tools to lie to us. I just wish they would be up front about it.

  36. (((Hoffman))) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a surprise.

  37. Great more stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this censorship. This is why we can no longer trust the large tech companies. There should be much more push back to all this censorship we are no different than communist China at this point. SJW are the death of liberty and should be fought against by everyone that values the freedom.

  38. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

    If I search for that phrase on Bing, the very first item at the top is from Wikihow on how to move from Windows to Linux in 8 steps (with pictures!). They even embed part of the list right in the first result. Step 1 is choose a distro. Step 2 is try the "live CD" versions first. Step 3 is about picking the correct applications to use. Step 4 is about backing up your data (maybe the steps aren't in the right order, but whatever). Etc.

    The second result is the Windows To Linux Migration Guide from linux.com. The fourth result is 11 reasons why you should migrate from Windows to Linux. The next result is titled "Migrating to Linux From Windows Makes for Good Business".

    I don't see a single anti-Linux result on the first page. So, if that list of what you posted is actually the results you see, then that says a lot more about your previous searches than anything about Bing. I don't use Bing at all, so I should have no history there.

    If that list you posted is some example you just made up, then you're perfectly illustrating the problem that the article is about - uninformed crap posted online (and modded up!) masquerading as actual information which should not be on the top of the list.

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  39. This isn't censorship by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    not even a little bit. It's safe to say that if I go to bing and search for "Jewish" that I probably don't want pro-Nazi propaganda. The percentage of people searching for issues related to, say the Jewish religion is probably a bit higher than the percentage of white supremacists. The same is true for searching for "Black Lives Matters".

    You can still find the neo-Nazi sites, but you have to search for them in a way you would expect (e.g. search for "White Power" or "Neo Nazi"). What Bing is trying to fix is that when you search for relatively innocuous terms they don't bring up what are pretty clearly hate and conspiracy theory sites.

    What I'd like to know is how did this sort of fringe content become the norm for a Bing search. I know Bing is bad at search, but not this bad. Somebody's been manipulating their search results for a reason. We can probably guess who...

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    1. Re:This isn't censorship by butchersong · · Score: 1

      It's safe to say that if I go to bing and search for "Jewish" that I probably don't want pro-Nazi propaganda.

      Apparently, odds are that you do.

    2. Re:This isn't censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not following, is Jewish a dirty word or something?

    3. Re:This isn't censorship by butchersong · · Score: 1

      I would imagine the suggestions are a result of activities of the Bing use rbase. If Bing suggests these topics it is because previous users have made similar grouped searches and clicked those links. Therefore, odds are that even if offensive to many, any given user is more likely than not to find those suggestions or links useful. I'm not saying they shouldn't alter the results, only that the results then would be more "aspirational" than truly reflective of the needs of their user base.

    4. Re:This isn't censorship by Raenex · · Score: 1

      It's safe to say that if I go to bing and search for "Jewish" that I probably don't want pro-Nazi propaganda.

      You changed "Jews" to "Jewish". Are you going to pretend "Jews" aren't widely talked about, often in a negative fashion? Also note that the author clicked on an "evil jew" suggestion... and was surprised to find Nazi propagana?

      Let's try another one: white people. One of the Bing's image suggestions is "white people looting". Probably because people search for that as a counter to blacks looting.

    5. Re:This isn't censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of people have questions about why Jews have constantly antagonized and undermined the rest of the world for thousands of years and the answers to those questions aren't always "nazi propoganda" even though Jews would have you believe that.

    6. Re:This isn't censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it could have nothing to do with the fact that statistically, white people loot just as often as black people. Math and numbers are just liberal propaganda!

    7. Re:This isn't censorship by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Of course it could have nothing to do with the fact that statistically, white people loot just as often as black people. Math and numbers are just liberal propaganda!

      So you say without any references. I guess those are part of the white patriarchy. Also, there no corresponding suggestion for "black people looting" or "blacks looting".

      But here's a statistical reference for you: In the United States, blacks commit murder at a rate eight times greater than whites ("Homocide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008", page 3).

  40. Damned if you do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I appreciate where they're coming from, I really don't want my search results to be curated, cleaned up, sanitized, censored, or whatever you might want to call it. Otherwise I'm only given results that represents what someone decided should be let through - and how that decision is made *always* has unintentional side-effects.

  41. Seems about right to me by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    A cynic might suggest that anybody stupid enough to use Bing would probably want this kind of thing to turn up near the top of their searches.

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  42. Racists Ideas like.... by Zorro · · Score: 0

    Why are there different skin colors? Why does Sickle Cell Anemia exists? Why is Cyctic Fibrosis passed on? Where did Blue Eyes come form?

    Nope you can't even THINK those questions or you are "Far Right."

    1. Re: Racists Ideas like.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repubtard detected. Ignore. Whataboutism is the only fuel they have.

  43. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

    If by "nice" you mean the post is bullshit and made up.

  44. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure that is the point. 'Useful' is subjective to one's own goals and ideals.

  45. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

    No, I'm pretty sure the point was to lie about what Bing does.

  46. Fuck You by sexconker · · Score: 0

    The "horrifying" results are part of why I use Bing. I do NOT want Bing turning into another censored safe space filled only with curated right-think like Google.

  47. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought being "progressive" was about recycling many of the antisemitic stereotypes, but applying them to Russians now. I wonder what they will invent next year.

    How inconvenient than the mainstream media/Democrats/whatever has some of the same problems than the "alt right".
    Fake News?
    - "Assad gasses children!"
    - "We bombed a chemical weapons factory"
    - "Look at these pictures of the White Helmets, totally not created by British intelligence"
    (I'm just thinking of War lies because those are always the most easy to remember and they're the most disastrous. Well, they're very bipartisan unless you're an outsider)

    Hate speech, racism, bigotry
    - "You must be a Russian bot"
    - "The Russians did it"
    - "Russians manipulate the media and Internet conversations so as to corrupt our societies"
    - "Russians constantly sneak in and undermine our democracy"

    Imagine the storm if they were saying :
    - "You must be a Jewish bot"
    - "The Jews did it"
    - "Jews manipulate the media and internet conversations so as to corrupt our societies"
    - "Jews constantly sneak in and undermine our democracy"

  48. Wrong target by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    Bing is returning search results with questionable content? I really hope people realize this is not Bing's issue, it's the sites with the questionable content that have been indexed by Bing's crawler.

    Wagging your finger at Microsoft is pretty silly, they did nothing wrong, they just indexed what's out there, same as any other search engine.

    If people want this kind of stuff to go away, perhaps you should thank Bing for exposing it for you, then go after the sites where the content is actually hosted.

  49. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the point, he's giving an example of what could happen.

    Woooooosh

  50. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people are idiots.

    I'll leave this hear

    Wooooooooosh

  51. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get it, hear ;), no you missed it again.

    IdiotZ

    Double woooooosherZ

  52. Leftist information bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The left have established what the acceptable truth is. Facts against protected victim classes are "racist". Believable opposition to that truth are "debunked" conspiracy theories. All of these things pit victim classes against a designated aggressor class, and you know who these groups are by now.

    Support alternatives, create them, but do not empower this! It is a slow march where every step seems ridiculous until it happens: PC -> censorship -> official class based blame -> ostracization -> violence -> gulags -> murder.

    1. Re: Leftist information bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repubtard detected. Mahhhhhh racist viewsssssssssss no one likes. Wahhhhh

    2. Re: Leftist information bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep crying you ugly faggot kike.

  53. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=...

    Bing Search for Jews. Not horrifying at all.

  54. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm so one side we have a group of racist, and on the other side a group of homophobes.

    Interesting.

  55. What does Bing have to say? Let's find out! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Why tf are you using Bing? This sounds more like advertising for them (in the "no news is bad news" sense).

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  56. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by lgw · · Score: 1

    When you have a positive feedback loop, it's always good to stop the cycle before things get destroyed.

    But that's the entire premise of Google search: it filters your results to those that are like results you've previously clicked on. It's call the "search bubble", and they keep you in your bubble. Most people think the results are better; me, I'm horrified at the concept and use DDG.

    But the "search bubble" Google traps uyou in is probably why peole think this is a "Bing problem": Google by design would only show racist search results to racists.

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  57. Sounds like it's working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The world can be a horrifying place, and searching the internet should not make any attempts to hide this.

  58. Journalist Chris Hoffman Sure is a stupid N-igger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An irrelevant, stupid, N-igger.

  59. I don't let Bing's spider on my site... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    It seems that Microsoft does not instruct its spiders to obey the robots.txt instructions I provide. The spiders download parts of the site that I do not want indexed. When I talked with the bing support people on this, they said something along the lines of, "yeah, it's a known bug in the spider." Yet they do not fix it. So I just block the spider now. Microsoft's QA quality problems seem to extend from Windows 10 updates to Bing spiders. Maybe the reality is just that Microsoft is a bug-laden company?

  60. People are interested in these things by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    People are growing interested in these things, so they type them into search engines.

    If we really live in an open society, the only response is to ignore this and publish your own views instead.

  61. This points to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bing users being racist etc conspiracy theory junkies! Correlation or causation... Hmmm

  62. Yes Break the Search Engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to make EVERY search engine as crippled and useless as google because somebody say might see some mean words. Censorship is the only the way!

  63. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because we definitely need more massaging of search results for some reason. Isn't this exactly why Google is in the cross-hairs right now?

  64. Moderating a search system by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Thats not a search product that's just public relations branding.
    Let people search for and find what they want. Its their internet.

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  65. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by jimbobxxx · · Score: 1

    I also tried it - bing was different to google. but had less advertising. nice!

  66. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Microsoft decides. It's either that or go back to the 90s when search results were total crap, which is clearly not what most people want or Altavista would have been the pinnacle of search engines.

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  67. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Actually it's because they weren't immigrants, they were the children of immigrants, some third generation, born in Sweden. Unless their religion was a particular factor in their crime is irrelevant, same as when Christians and atheists commit random crimes.

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  68. You do know Microsoft is a corporation, yes? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    If corporations gave a shit what the left (which begins at anti-capitalism), the Sioux never would have had to protest the DAPL pipeline, the media wouldn't have shoved Hillary down the throats of primary voters, CNN would have been calling for Obama's impeachment for breaking up Occupy Wall Street, etc etc.

    Outfits like the right-wing Atlantic Council and Weekly Standard have established what the acceptable truth is.

    FTFY

    1. Re:You do know Microsoft is a corporation, yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is misleading at best to deny the blanket leftwing bias that has crept into even the products of so many related tech companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc. There are others outside of tech (Nike, Levi's for example) too.

      But until now I at least haven't seen signs that Microsoft was corrupted. That illusion has fallen. This is leftwing cancer's spread, they have compromised their country's and their own principles (free speech, anti censorship, equal rights, ...) in their fight against rightwing conservatives.

  69. Translation: yea more corporate censorship! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    We saw this same story with the instant search results in Safari - just more propaganda to allow the media to engage in censorship and propaganda by selecting what you may see. And it's not like they're going to stop at blocking, say, Holocaust Denial when someone searches for "Jews". They'll also block shit like anyone who questions the conspiracy theories that Trump worked with Russia to steal an election, or that Assad decides to gas his own people whenever US politicians try to back away from regime change.

    And it's not like the hysteria over fake news is ever going to be applied to mainstream news organizations. If all this hysteria was around in 2002-2003, Iraq war skeptics would have been censored, not media figures and organizations that relentlessly lied Americans into a war that cost trillions of dollars and over a million lives.

  70. 'horrifying' didn't mean what I thought it meant. by urbanriot · · Score: 1

    Initially I was excited to hear that Microsoft was finally acknowledging their search engine was absolute garbage... until I continued reading to discover they plan to make it even worse.

  71. Widely debunked conspiracy theories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What bunk. When you have blips inserted into the FAA system, the Pentagon moving the coordination center for the interception network, and moving all AWACS to one side of the country (an unneeded and highly suspicious move) for their exercise that simulated very similar events, and the exercise not taken offline for the duration of the attack, what you have is a NOT debunked "conspiracy theory".

  72. Google doesnâ(TM)t care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a search on google for âoeAmerican inventorsâ and get back to me how hard it made you laugh.

  73. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is why the database that the swedish government seized, which shows that 80% of the crimes were being committed by 'migrants' or whatever term you europeans want to label illegals as. Sorry, you can try painting this bullshit whatever way you want. In the UK, you've got all those child rape gangs and those are being committed by people who've migrated. In Canada, we just had our first bust in BC of a child rape/grooming gang...again migrants.

    A girl by the name of Mirassa Shen was murdered in BC...by a 'migrant' who'd been in the country mere months. They charged him with 1st degree murder. Now here's the interesting part, in Canada there are two ways to get a 1st degree murder charge: Premeditation is the first key element here, meaning they had to plan, know, stalk, and then execute their plan. The other way is by rape and murder. Police have already stated that there was no premeditation, that neither person knew each other. So let's finish up, because I'll keep it in Canada. There are now hotels and motels being used as "migrant shelters" vandalism, theft, assault 1, robbery 1&2, sexual assault(1 - not rape), sexual assault(2 - rape) are clustered around these places. They're not shitholes in the cities, these places are in the downtown core in many cases.

    But by all means, keep pretending that importing people who are culturally non-compatible, believe that they can "take" whatever they want, that women are worth less then a man. Are doing great things for society...

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  74. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've wondered about this recently in terms of all the white male hate. Some of it sounds a lot like jew blaming, especially given most male jews are white males.

  75. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was giving a hypothetical example of Microsoft abusing their search engine, not saying what actually happens...

  76. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by jd · · Score: 1

    You're equating absence of signal with absence of noise.

    Signal and noise are not the same, never were.

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  77. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Calydor · · Score: 1

    No, I am equating some guy in the media getting to decide what is politically correct for people to learn, and some guy in Microsoft or Google doing the exact same thing.

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  78. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Again, most of the child rapists in the UK were second or third generation, i.e. born in Britain and British citizens. The fact that they were mostly Asian and Muslim has been discussed on major TV programmes extensively, and in newspapers and in Parliament and at the inquest into what happened.

    What upsets people is that these discussions don't consider the fake news reports, so they think things are being covered up.

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  79. Real views exist only on the Internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What "real world"? You mean the one, where everyone plays a role, is fake-friendly, and anyone saying what he really thinks, is considered an offensive nutjob?

    Only drunk people and Internet users give you a true view of society.

    If you do not like what the search engine mirror shows you, maybe you should change yourself?

  80. Little malevolence influence?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sugar industry lobbied the shit out of this for decades, and you call that little influence??

    I read the book of Dr. M. O. Bruker, who lived through the entire times to tell the tale, including the Nazis, here in Germany, and everyone knew what the problem was, even back then. He collected data on 50,000 patients (he was the head of a clinic), and had no trouble curing obesity. Just leave away industry carbs. (Those dense acellular short carbs, we talk about today.)

    The lobby groups alternatingly called him a Nazi, then a Jew, then a Nazi again, depending on what could discredit him more, and created bullshit study over bullshit study to manipulate the views on nutrition.
    Hell, Bayer (including formerly Monsanto) does it to this day. As do Coca Cola, Pepsi, and the lobby of sugar farmers.

    (Remember that hilarious Stevia "study", where Monsanto found that Stevia harmed male reproductive organs in mice... if you fed them *half of their body weight in Stevia every day*! Pure Stevia is 400 times sweeter than sugar, mind you. At that dosage, you could kill a person with nothing but water! Let alone salt! Or five times your body weight in sugar per day! ^^)

    As a wise man said: A good con works, exactly because nobody can believe that it is that old and that it is that big.

  81. Working as expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Journalist' looking for something to whine about 'finds' something to whine about. Looks like the search engine gave him excatly what he was looking for, so operating as it should be.

  82. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Again, most of the child rapists in the UK were second or third generation, i.e. born in Britain and British citizens. The fact that they were mostly Asian and Muslim has been discussed on major TV programmes extensively, and in newspapers and in Parliament and at the inquest into what happened.

    Uh...the inquest stated that most of the people were immigrants who'd been in the UK for a period greater then 1 year. The average time they'd been in the country was 4 years. That doesn't make them 1st generation. And being born in another country and immigrating with your parents doesn't make you 1st generation either.

    What upsets people is that these discussions don't consider the fake news reports, so they think things are being covered up.

    So what's "fake news" about it happening over and over again, the police, councils, and child protection services covering it up. And then when there's an inquiry into it, the inquiry comes back stating that they didn't investigate because they were afraid of being labeled racist. Then a year later, the same shit is still going on...the police aren't investigating, the councils are covering it up, and child protection services are looking the other way. That's the very definition of "covering it up." And then there was the "trojan horse scandal" and...well what do you know, it happened in other cities too and the response was the same. And the police, and councils and education boards ALSO simply ignored it and yet it's still happening.

    Man it's like there's systemic failures in the UK, and nobody wants to do anything for fear of being labeled racist.

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  83. Maybe engines need a raw and a curated view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not push the raw results out, but if you as the vendor judge the results as 'horrible', provide a curated view or mode.

    In curated view, the search engine vendor can apply whatever filter they want, with no apologies. In raw mode, they serve up links to the muck that's the internet.

  84. Re:I thought searches were supposed to reflect rea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If those pages are the type people are reading most often for those given search terms then Bing is doing its job. I don't expect morality to be a weighting factor for a query (horrible as that may be).

    The results on Bing and likewise DuckDuckGo are loaded with this crap because they are gaming the search spiders to get placed as high as possible. It's like all of the garbage links to crap sites like Quora which touts itself as a worse Yahoo Answers but almost never has an answer posted to any of the questions, yet keeps popping up as a top 5 result in tons of searches.

  85. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid American of Swedish descent here. I had to go DDG a Latin quote posted by a Swedish person to find out it meant "who will watch the guards" regarding a political Muslim immigration issue the Swedish politicians foisted on themselves, which I think was suppressed by Google search, even though we're talking about horrible bing results.

    Oh the nested irony.

  86. Re:Imagine if you Bing for "poetry" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found this site in my tabs
    feels like walking onto dog shit!

  87. Hurray! Another Social Justice article. by strikethree · · Score: 1

    Why is this "news"? You search for something and you find good and bad things. So. Fucking. What.

    Meh.

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  88. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mashiki, you can keep emoting against known facts all you want, but you can't convince anyone except the most retarded people that you're right. We have data. You have literal fake news, that has been disproven over and over again. Screaming and raving that you're right even when the data irrefutably proves you wrong won't magically make you correct. Why do you have such a problem with dealing with reality?

  89. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, according to your logic, if enough people say "Mashiki is a pedophile" over and over again, you'll somehow become one? In spite of never having done anything with a kid?

    That's essentially what you're arguing. We know that more people are in jail for falsely reporting "migrant rapes" than migrants for raping. They admitted to making things up to stir up tension. To get idiots like you to believe lies. Why can't you believe them when they admit to lying?

  90. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    We have data. You have literal fake news, that has been disproven over and over again. Screaming and raving that you're right even when the data irrefutably proves you wrong won't magically make you correct. Why do you have such a problem with dealing with reality?

    So the actual inquiry reports are fake news? And the police reports are fake news? And the court cases with criminal convictions are fake? Who's the one having a problem dealing with reality again.

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  91. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    So, according to your logic, if enough people say "Mashiki is a pedophile" over and over again, you'll somehow become one? In spite of never having done anything with a kid?

    According to my logic, there have been numerous court cases. There have been multiple official inquiries, and the leaked council, police, and government reports stating that they were not to look into it. I'm not sure what's worse, that you can't understand what I said. Or you actually think that your reply approached logic.

    That's essentially what you're arguing. We know that more people are in jail for falsely reporting "migrant rapes" than migrants for raping. They admitted to making things up to stir up tension. To get idiots like you to believe lies. Why can't you believe them when they admit to lying?

    So the trojan horse scandal didn't happen? Rotherham and nearly a dozen other cities in the UK that had the same thing going on didn't happen? Canada just had their first 'migrant' child prostitution and rape gang bust, but that didn't happen? The cases of the same in Sweden, Netherlands and Germany didn't happen either? Are you living in an alternate timeline?

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  92. Easy fix by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    1. Rename it DeploraSearch
    2. Drown in money while the world burns

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  93. Re: I thought searches were supposed to reflect re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You aren't talking about facts, you are talking about anecdotes. The figures don't reveal a migrant crime wave so any report linking crime to immigration is an irresponsible lie.