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TSA Lays Out Plans To Use Facial Recognition For Domestic Flights (theverge.com)
The TSA has released its roadmap to use biometrics technology in the coming years. The Verge reports: Customs and Border Protection has been using facial recognition to screen non-U.S. residents on international flights since 2015, a project that was expedited by the Trump administration. Last year, the U.S. government laid out its plans to start expanding the screening tools to U.S. citizens, which would require them to undergo facial scans when they leave the country through a system called the Biometric Pathway. Today's news lays out how the TSA will adopt the same technology, partnering with CBP on biometrics for international travelers, expanding security operations to TSA Precheck members, and eventually, using facial recognition to verify domestic travelers.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
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I didn't say that the TSA were a bunch of goose-stepping bully Nazi thugs armed with technology the Gestapo only dreamed of.
Oh. Wait. Yes I did.
I won't be sexually molested by a government goon. So until the TSA goes away I won't go anywhere my Tacoma won't take me.
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It started with the TSA...full body search, FOR YOUR SAFETY. It continued with full body scans, FOR YOUR SAFETY. It continued with "Real ID", FOR YOUR SAFETY. Now, facial recognition, FOR YOUR SAFETY. Where does it end? Implanted bio chips of course.
Not to mention, the few places I travel to, are within 6 hours, and given how much time you have to waste, getting to the airport hours early, going through the violations of your rights (TSA), plus the hassle getting out of the airport, plus, being packed onto a plane like sardines, I would rather just drive there anyway. I enjoy driving, seeing the scenery, listening to the music...I'll drive first!
you're made at the barely-more-than-min-wage drone that runs the computers. You should be mad at the Aristocracy that is abusing you through those computers.
I should also add that your misplace anger is not an accident
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Illegal migrants who thought their "state" issued ID would always be good enough.
A large amount of tax not paid?
Stayed in the USA past too long as a "tourist"
Working in the USA under the wrong type of visa with photo ID from the place of work?
Wanted criminals who thought their new ID would work in all states and be ready for any federal database.
People using too many different versions of fake ID in different states.
A person who created an new ID back in the 1970's and who used that to collect federal and state ID under that new name.
People who created new state ID and then expect not to get found.
Getting a university education loan under a fake name. Working under a fake name. Working using certifications under a fake name.
Illegal migrants/citizens getting different city/state and federal gov support under different names all over the USA.
Once names, faces and details in a state to get shared all over the USA a lot of past "privacy" that kept databases in a state only will offer no protection for easy fake ID creation.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
On one hand, this is great, because it will save time. On the other hand, it seems to be the inevitable march of being tracked and recorded everywhere one goes.
On one hand, no one seems to care that they can already be pinpointed to a 100 foot spot on the planet. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to find the criminals.
On one hand, if I'm not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, the US has the largest prison population on the planet.
On one hand, all this data is too much for any human to sort through. On the other hand, sic some AI bots on it and we can correlate, extrapolate and predict what people may or may not do.
On one hand, most people have done something they shouldn't have done. On the other hand, every person can be identified, and taught a lesson by the state for any past, or future transgressions.
On one hand, the technology to ID people will help things run smooth. On the other hand, we know that someone is creating an alert to notify the man, that we are back in town.
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Until you can learn to form a properly constructed English language sentence your rights will continue to be violated. Get used to it.
As if voting has made any difference in the past thirty years, at least...
And "I only followed orders." also doesn't work now. I'm German, by the way. Our history classes in school are 90% "Look at this horrible shit we did. Never do that shit again, cause and this is why.”
"I gotta pay the bills" isn't an excuse to break in and steal somebody's money either. Let alone do full-on totalitarian state terrorism. Doesn't matter if somebody told you to do it, now does it?
Let's be very clear: I don't expect you to risk your life by openly fighting the oppressors. But: If you work for the Gestapo, err, TSA, argue for the TSA, support the TSA, or otherwise enable the TSA, you're a traitor.
Frankly, the most scary part, to me, is that the USA does not have anyone strong that could bring it to its knees, like Germany had Russia, the UK, the French Resistance and the USA, once it goes full goose stepping. Who's gonna help us? Overweight US citizens with silly hand guns? Aliens? The Russians and China? Don't make me laug^Wcry.
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When is open to debate... I'm pretty sure that I can guess "where" you want it implanted, though...
Except that actually finding a politician you can vote for who wants to get rid of all this crap AND has a snowballs chance in hell of actually being elected is nearly impossible.
"On one hand, this is great, because it will save time." Facial Recognition Scanning tests have Added Time to inspection lines thus Far. This has been in the news (and maybe /., too). The TSA is complaining to the Airlines that they, the Airlines, want on-time departures and will stop facial scanning in order to achieve on-time departures. Whereas, the TSA wants the Airlines to delay all flights until every passenger is face-scanned. It is a clusterfuck on a Grand Scale. Hasn't everything the TSA attempted to do (to protect) failed miserably? What evidence that the TSA will get face-scanning correct?
Sounds like a niqab shop next to the chik-fil-a at the airport might be profitable.
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I won't be sexually molested by a government goon.
If you get Global Entry, it means you get TSA-Precheck on domestic (U.S.) flights, and much quicker passing through customs going back into the U.S.
You also get to use the metal scanner only instead of the full body scanner, set to a weak enough level you can leave on watches and belts and shoes (some women's shoes seem to still pack enough metal to set them off).
Doing that you have a very low probability of being frisked (the only time I was it was because they were only running the full body scanners which I do not go through).
I too, like others, drive when I can - usually up to 10-20 hours away I will drive, but sometimes flying is just more expedient, and you are cutting yourself off from too much of the world to suit me by not flying sometimes.
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I would be OK with them using facial scanning tech (it's inevitable anyway so I'd rather know when they are using it then have them pretend they are not).
However, what I would also like to see is openness in the process as to how effective it really is. How many false positives, how many false negatives, per airport. All too many security features are introduced which I have no confidence have any use but scaring off potential criminals, I would love to know if this tool in the end would really help or just be another really expensive waste of time.
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Why the heck does it matter who is on the plane as long as they are not carrying something dangerous?
I travel by air a lot so I am in the TSA PreCheck program. It saves me a lot of time and for that time saving (simpler screening process), I am willing have the background check etc. In this case a facial recognition may help prove that I am really a person that has been vetted and therefore are eligible for a less intensive screening. However for people that aren't in PreCheck, why would it matter if we know who they are? As long as they pass the normal screening process, it should be safe enough to let them on the plane.
If facial recognition (or any other sort of rigorous ID check is done) for purposes other than validating pre-vetted individuals, it feels like more like tracking citizen movement than increasing flight security.
"If you don't like the TSA, vote for politicians that will abolish them. Otherwise STFU!"
Thats the problem, there are no such politicians. Politicians ride around in private jets and are thus immune to the hassles of the TSA.
why, that's $16/hr.
Also, you're straw manning. The point is that it's not the guy that hassles you for the pocket knife on your key chain who's oppressing you, it's the billionaire who destabilized the middle east for profit and hegemony and thereby created a climate where terrorists thrive. Stop wasting your time and energy on folks who are barely even small potatoes just because they're the ones you see. Look past that to the root cause.
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With facial recognition detectors springing up everywhere our privacy is no longer protected.
America supposed to be a land where FREEDOM IS CHERISHED, but apparently, we are moving closer and closer towards AUTHORITARIANISM, like the one in China !
it's useless. Don't attack the body, attack the head.
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That is obviously the voters' problem, no? They decide who gets on the ballot. They decide who wins. The initiative to seek out the right person is theirs to take. If they don't, and simply take what's spoon fed by mass media, they have no one else to blame.
You obviously weren't paying attention during the last U.S. presidential election. The DNC did everything in it's power to ensure it's candidate got the nomination and ended up on the ballot, no matter what its voting party members wanted.
You obvious are unaware of the kinds of barriers that the two main parties have put up. It's almost impossible for a third party candidate to make the ballot in every state. Even in local elections the bar is so high that just getting on the ballot if you aren't an R or a D is close to impossible.
At this point short of armed rebellion I don't see what could every pry the levers of power out of the hands of the Democrats and Republicans.
President Geedub Boosh said, "they hate us because of our freedom". Well, we sure fixed that!
Good ol' fashioned Lexus Lanes, if you have money then of course you're not a threat!
Global Entry is $100 and is good for 5 years - that's $20 a year, or less than the cost of checking a single bag. It also give you TSA Pre-Check. Chances are that if you can afford to fly internationally, you can afford $20/year.
Pssssssst - there never were any real terrorists. Shhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone!
Private jets are immune to the TSA?
So all we need then, is for the airline to be organized a little differently. You don't buy a "ticket", you buy "a share" in a temporary airline that exists for the duration of the trip. So, the passengers really own the plane - it is a private jet. The jet is bought from a mother company (ordinary airline, or plane holding company), with money loaned from the same mother company. Personell & ground services are rented from the same place. When the plane lands, they default on the loan and give the plane back instead. The temporary airline is then bankrupt and dissolves. The passengers thus lost their fake investment, but they got moved to their destination for a normal price and is happy with that. For the hassle-free return trip, you buy a share in another temporary airline company . . .
I feel for your country. With over 20% of the next generation not being german you may soon be bred out of your own country. Do Thank Merkel for that.
It's happening here too. They say "Australia gives people a go". That's correct. Australians do. Soon there won't be many of us left. 5% indian and growing. Getting to 5% muslim (some crossover with Indian there) etc. Come back in 3 generations and you may be hard pressed to find an aussie.
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
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I thought the TSA give facials already.
It's the anals that everybody is nervous about.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
Aboriginals who, after the Muslims get through treating them as they do Yazidis and Chaldeans, will be wanting the Aussies back again.
You also vote with your Dollars. Vote against it.
The truth is, most sighted people could check the ID. Obviously, they are going to use this to scan everyone. Just don't go, but call your local airline and tell them exactly why. Then it will change.
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For those who raise privacy concerns around this, TSA already has all the data through the Global Entry / Precheck application process. When you use Global Entry / Precheck, they already get your photograph from your passport (which is linked to a wealth of other information including birthplace, social security number, international travel, etc.), your fingerprints and current address and contact information from when you applied, and all of your domestic flight information through the myriad of national airport security and customs databases. This is less about harvesting new data and more leveraging existing new data to streamline the process for everyone.
Now if they expand this to ALL domestic air travelers, it's probably breaking new ground, but even then, they still in theory have access to everyone's photos through the Read ID system.
Anyone who's watched any Mission Impossible movie or episode knows that facial recognition is easy to fool.
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Hasn't everything the TSA attempted to do (to protect) failed miserably?
That's not what the TSA is for. The TSA is there to frighten Americans and employ deplorables. (Nobody else would be willing to molest air passengers for money.) It's succeeding brilliantly at both of those things. Actually preventing terror attacks is counterproductive if your primary goal is to control the sheeple so you can shear them occasionally.
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As if voting has made any difference in the past thirty years, at least...
What? It worked just fine keeping HRC out of an office she had no business holding. Not that Donald belongs there.
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I know it's a pipe dream since this is a government operation but here goes.
TSA is required to give a detailed plan on what this change is supposed to provide, giving hard numbers and not just vague assurances. They have to state how many years they have to achieve said goal
One year before the mandatory end of the program the GAO goes in and does the work to find out if the program actually did as it was intended or not.
If not, since it probably won't, then the program is immediately terminated and any similar plan is limited to 1/4 the amount of time as the original, with more stringent defined goals.
If it does work then they can submit a new proposal with a term no longer than the original with the same qualifications - GAO review one year before expiration.
I'm not against the TSA trying to make the experience faster and more efficient. I'm against them having no accountability for their decisions.
What? I fly a fair bit... the facial compare to your passport/ID part is never the hold up. It is the bag scanning that holds up the lines. Are we talking about the same thing? TSA lines right? ...not after you exit the plane in another country and go through customs, which is slow, granted.
I think he meant 98% of the people who bother to vote.
Personally I wonder if Voting should be a mandatory part of citizenship as it is in some other countries.
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I had a lovely run in with TSA this morning as I was flying out for a business trip. I was trying to pull my laptop out to put in a separate bin and a rude TSA agent came over and told me to stop and put it back. I tried to send the laptop bag through on its own only to more scolding (apparently it was fine to put the backpack and all my items in one bin). They seem to change what they want everytime you go to the airport just so you look like a crazy person trying to comply. Ask any breastfeeding mother about how arbitrary the agents can be about breast milk.
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