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With 5G, You Won't Just Be Watching Video. It'll Be Watching You, Too (cnet.com)

Posted by msmash on from the shape-of-things-to-come dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: When most people think of 5G, they're envisioning an ultra-fast, high-bandwidth connection that lets you download seasons of your favorite shows in minutes. But 5G's possibilities go way beyond that, potentially reinventing how we watch video, and opening up a mess of privacy uncertainties. "Right now you make a video much the same way you did for TV," Dan Garraway, co-founder of interactive video company Wirewax, said in an interview this month. "The dramatic thing is when you turn video into a two-way conversation. Your audience is touching and interacting inside the experience and making things happen as a result."

The personalized horror flick or tailored rom-com? They would hinge on interactive video layers that use emotional analysis based on your phone's front-facing camera to adjust what you're watching in real time. You may think it's far-fetched, but one of key traits of 5G is an ultra-responsive connection with virtually no lag, meaning the network and systems would be fast enough to react to your physical responses. 5G is on the cusp of reality, with the first compatible smartphones set to debut next year.

131 comments

  1. Piss Off by nagora · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm paying you to entertain me, so bloody get on with it.

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    1. Re:Piss Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the summary, that actually sounds like what this is about. Fine tuning your entertainment based on your facial expressions for "optimal enjoyment".

      There is also the possibility of using machine learning algorithms to tweak political ads to the garner the best possible response.

      Captcha: ransacks

    2. Re:Piss Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most likely use of this (other than passive monitoring with no content changes) is inserting ads when you are most engaged in what you're watching thus maximizing your chance of seeing and remembering the ad (no it doesn't matter that you'll chiefly remember it because of how annoying it was)

      Actually changing the content of the video based on your preferences would require having the alternate versions already produced, so it might happen as a niche genera along the lines of "choose your own adventure" books, or how the Clue movie had multiple endings.

  2. Everything since 3G by NotFamous · · Score: 1

    Here is how fast high-definition videos would be if you could watch them, but oops, you can't, so...check your email or Facebook instead. Will 5G solve that? I doubt it. We'll be able to see commercials where people are watching gorgeous 4K video on their mobile device. But you...low-def video, now not too much, best just look at some web pages instead.

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    1. Re:Everything since 3G by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We flip back and forth from Networked applications to Device running application.
      Early computers, had no networking so a single person used a computer for it needs. When they were done the next person will use the system (or at least have their stack of cards to be processed)
      Then system got powerful enough, and was able to send and receive inputs from multiple sources. (Mainframe/Dumb Terminal) The user had a terminal, with a mysterious computer somewhere else doing the real work.
      Then we went to microcomputers, where for about the same price as a dumb terminal, you can get a full scale PC. So we moved back to having your own software running on the computer yourself.
      When the Internet speeds became affordable and over 1mbs. Web Applications started taking over and our PC's spent less time running all sorts of programs, but just rendering the browser results. and the servers will handle all the heavy work.
      Then we got smart phones (wireless speeds were slower and expensive) so Apps were made for these devices, as their Processors more then made up for any networking slowness.
      Now if 5G does everything it promises and is affordable. Only Luddites will use Apps, because we can stream the results in real time, and we just send back our user interface for the server farm of big computers to figure out and give you a nearly instantaneous image stream back. We are actually going back to a new age Dumb Terminal, with our smart phone.

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    2. Re:Everything since 3G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that app appers used apps while luddites used software.

    3. Re:Everything since 3G by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Yup, it's almost comical that every 20 years the cycle is:

      * Fat Clients
      * Thin Clients

      Rinse. Repeat. Profit. False Promises.

    4. Re:Everything since 3G by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say comical. Both have their pro's and conn's and are often the ideal technology of its time.
      Often when looking back we put on nostalgia blinders, We don't remember Windows 95 crashing when you literally look at the system wrong. Or saved your documents every few minutes, just because you wouldn't trust the system to go on to the next one. We do remember the cool games we had on it. and new features such as spell check and font selection.

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    5. Re:Everything since 3G by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      That's because different technologies improve independently of each other and at different rates.

      For fat clients vs. thin clients, there are three general factors for which is better: available processing power on the desktop, available processing power on the server, and network bandwith and latency. Make up a number called the "Thinness Factor", where TF = (Server*Network)/Desktop. If server power is so much greater than desktop power that the performance loss due to the network doesn't make up for the difference (TF > 1), then thin clients are better and people will start using them more. If losses from the network are high enough, though (TF < 1), people are better off having their own desktop computers.

      Since those three factors improve by different amounts over time, the better option also changes over time.

  3. yawn by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Allowing public to pick the story is a terrible idea. The masses are a completely predictable force and will select the most stereotypical and obvious outcomes every time. I certainly hope 'good story writing' isn't becoming a thing of the past, because I sure haven't seen much of it lately.

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    1. Re:yawn by olsmeister · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The masses are a completely predictable force and will select the most stereotypical and obvious outcomes every time.

      Well, not always.

    2. Re:yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I certainly hope 'good story writing' isn't becoming a thing of the past, because I sure haven't seen much of it lately.

      Ah, the folly of nostalgia. The "good writing" of the past was the exception, not the rule. As a general optimistic estimate, "90% of everything is crap." Older things look a little better because most of the bottom 80% has been lost, forgotten, or willfully ignored.

    3. Re:yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "Good" is entirely subjective.

      Movie producers consider a movie "good" if it makes a lot of money. And they should, given how much they spend to make them.

      Movies like that must cater to the greatest possible audience. Obviously, your tastes differ from those of the greatest possible audience.

    4. Re:yawn by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Greatest possible audience = lowest common denominator. You can't have taste and deliver on that. We're heading down the rabbit hole toward Idiocracy's hit show "Ow! My Balls"

    5. Re:yawn by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Actually I go mostly by imdb ratings. Genre preferences aside, 7+ is worth my time, 6- is not. It sure seems that there are less 7+'s than there used to be that isn't a remake of a comic or book.

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    6. Re:yawn by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Idiots on 4chan will spam or hack the voting process for their own amusement. The results are anything but predictable and probably more amusing than anything else. See this example of what you get and tell me that's an obvious outcome.

      Even then, I don't think this will ever replace a well-crafted story by a single author or a small group of writers. We've had choose your own adventure novels and other interactive forms of entertainment in the past (with many arising due to the internet itself) and they've never supplanted the more traditional forms of media.

      I also suspect that the current approach never will either. People really don't want a crowd-driven story, what they want is that they themselves get to drive the narrative, and that when they participate in these group-driven projects it's because they assume that they'll get to steer the group rather than being bit player. I suspect that people drop out and lose interest when things don't go their way, so at the end all you're left with are the people who made the most popular decisions at most of the steps. Eventually the technology may advance far enough for people to have their own simulated experiences created for them on an individual basis and perhaps that's when the traditional approach falls by the wayside.

    7. Re:yawn by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If we look at highest grossing movies of all time as any indicator:

      * Avatar
      * Titantic
      * Star Wars: The Force Awakens

      Sadly, I think I have to agree with you. :-/

    8. Re:yawn by taustin · · Score: 1

      If you found that unpredictable, you haven't been paying attention for the entire existence of the internet.

    9. Re:yawn by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Ah, the folly of nostalgia. The "good writing" of the past was the exception, not the rule. As a general optimistic estimate, "90% of everything is crap." Older things look a little better because most of the bottom 80% has been lost, forgotten, or willfully ignored.

      The problem is, with writing, like music today....90% of the CRAP from the past is better than 90% of the "GOOD" stuff that is put out today.

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    10. Re:yawn by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      As a general optimistic estimate, "90% of everything is crap." Older things look a little better because most of the bottom 80% has been lost, forgotten, or willfully ignored.

      Fortunately, the very bottom of that 80% has been immortalized by MST3K.

    11. Re:yawn by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      I certainly hope 'good story writing' isn't becoming a thing of the past, because I sure haven't seen much of it lately.

      Ah, the folly of nostalgia. The "good writing" of the past was the exception, not the rule. As a general optimistic estimate, "90% of everything is crap." Older things look a little better because most of the bottom 80% has been lost, forgotten, or willfully ignored.

      We've been in a "golden age" of storytelling in the TV world for a number of years now. Movies may be bigger, but I attended a talk by Alexander Payne (Oscar-winning writer/director of Sideways, The Descendants, Election) where he said that much of the writing talent had switched from movies to TV, since cable companies were willing to invest in high-quality shows with season-long story arcs, and that lets you tell more varied stories, longer stories, more complex stories that you don't have to boil down into something that starts and ends in 90 minutes. When the Big Three networks controlled the themes and characters of every show that they aired, television was the small screen, considered the lesser arena for lesser players. Now it's the opposite -- Hulu, Netflix, HBO, etc are all creating shows that offer writing freedom (within SOME limits, ha) and more opportunities for character exploration.

    12. Re:yawn by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      90% of the CRAP from the past is better than 90% of the "GOOD" stuff that is put out today.

      "Nature abhors a vacuum." "A gas expands to fill the volume available." As the pipes of today get bigger than the pipes of the past, producers will expand to fill the volume. That doesn't mean the quality will go along with it.

      For example, a favorite magazine of mine went from 10 issues per year to 6 "doubles". Twice the space to fill, right? Half the quality. A recent issue had a story about an old truck driver who couldn't drive trucks anymore on Earth because the highways were 100% AV. So, a company carted him off to Mars to drive trucks across the Martian deserts carrying watermelons from colony to colony. AV technology was fully developed on Earth but instead of taking that to Mars, they took a meatbag. Part of the story involved him NOT SHUTTING OFF THE ELECTRIC MOTOR on his truck because it might not start again. I kid you not. The next story was about some odd species on a planet somehow luring two humans and someone from a third species to a dead space port to observe their ritual suicide in the name of art. I think the editor's decision to print it was based on it having at least two commas in 90% of the sentences. I know he's made decisions based on the author using "zim" and "ze" for pronouns because that's "edgy" and "modern".

      It's truly sad. The magazine's tag line is "science fiction/science fact" and it is becoming "science fantasy/malarky". Kind of like "news for nerds, stuff that matters" has degraded.

    13. Re: yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not just being contrary, I actually preferred it when 45 minute stories were the norm. I find myself getting bored with 23 x 45 minute long story arcs. It's too drawn out in most cases.

    14. Re:yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still think that good writing exists in the form of novels. A market that is still relatively healthy, because individual writers have a chance to get their work out there. They don't have to compete against huge corporations that can throw millions at flashy special effects which serves to replace plot and character development.
      Maybe look into that in the future and show Hollywood the middle finger. I did it a while ago. And if you don't think you can afford the time to sit down quietly and read a book, there's also audio books.

      But please, do not pirate. Paperbacks are already cheap enough. Used bound editions can also be pretty cheap. And in many cases there aren't billion dollar assholes like Disney behind the works who are cashing in on their sparkly polished garbage, but individuals like you and I.

    15. Re:yawn by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I think the first one is spelled 'Pocahontas'.

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    16. Re: yawn by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1

      I'm not just being contrary, I actually preferred it when 45 minute stories were the norm. I find myself getting bored with 23 x 45 minute long story arcs. It's too drawn out in most cases.

      I can get behind that. It's probably one of the (many) reasons why I couldn't get into many of the anime shows that my friends would be gaga about. On the other hand, I also tired of the many dramas out there were you could watch the episodes in any order because few things carried over from episode to episode.

    17. Re: yawn by fazig · · Score: 1

      Each to their own.
      I prefer story arcs that last several episodes to entire seasons over the episodic format that dominated TV shows into the 90's and still does in the form of all those CSI shows. Unless these shows are set up as comedy that doesn't take itself serious, I can't enjoy them any more.

      In these modern formats stories you can have proper drama. Characters can die and their actions can have far reaching consequences.
      While in these 'classic' case of the week formats, when something drastic happened to a character of the main cast, you as the viewer could be almost certain that they'll use some stupid and lazy plot device (Star Trek and its spin-offs are especially guilty of this) to make it end with everything essentially in the same state as at the beginning of the episode. At least for me this kills most of the suspension such a story can build, because you know the main cast is safe, and those that get killed off are practically red shirts or maybe get a little bit of character development in that particular episode, just to be written out of it again at the end for some cheap plot reasons.
      Although these lazy practices only become real issues if there is something like a main cast to begin with. Anthology series that tell short stories, with different settings and characters every time, do allow writers to come up with good plots. Series like Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, or Black Mirror are doing a great job with the episodic format.

    18. Re:yawn by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Indeed, Avatar is basically a remake of:

      * Dances with Wolves
      * Pocahontas

  4. Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And ads by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Big Data (as in Big Pharma or Big Oil) will love this. Of course they will not just use this data to provide interactive video but to provide all manner of feedback for other purposes as well (to "tailor the user experience"), while in the meantime your privacy is getting raped in a ditch. But such technology will most certainly also lead to ads that aren't just unskippable, but have to be watched as well. "RESUME VIEWING... RESUME VIEWING... RESUME VIEWING"

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  5. Easily fixed by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    They would hinge on interactive video layers that use emotional analysis based on your phone's front-facing camera to adjust what you're watching in real time.

    by a bit of obscure tape over the front-facing camera.

    "it is quite safe" we will be told "just to tailor it for you". The next thing that we will know is that that amourous moment with your partner is spaffed across social media or someone is trying to blackmail you ...

    1. Re:Easily fixed by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many phone case makers will have a physical shutter built in to cover the front and back cams when this technology becomes mainstream.

  6. Tech is neutral! by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    misuse of it is what have sides

  7. In Soviet Russia ... by Toad-san · · Score: 5, Funny

    video watches you!

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, man. The joke is supposed to be the reversed. In this case, "In Soviet Russia, you watch videos." Get it right!

  8. Nobody wants this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good god, I hope nobody that I know is investing in this interactive video scam. It will definitely lose money, because users want the opposite of this. And it has jack shit to do with 5G; horrible applications can be made every bit as network-agnostic as good applications.

    Whoever is pushing this garbage is either totally naive or they're criminals who are going to disappear before the first [lack-of-]sales report.

    1. Re:Nobody wants this by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      No one wants it... but you can bet there's a lot of people trying to make sure they'll make the most money out of it.

  9. 5G by rossdee · · Score: 2, Funny

    49 metres per second squared

    a bit tough on the old ticker, eh?

    1. Re:5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huhu I bet you were the funny guy in chess club.

    2. Re:5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know it! They actually paid me to be there. Every week, I got a check, mate.

  10. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Of course they will not just use this data to provide interactive video but to provide all manner of feedback for other purposes as well (to "tailor the user experience")

    Ads, political content, news stories, and on and on. Just the next step in sculpting your own individual rendition of reality.

  11. Does this work? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine making "self-adjusting movies" that play differently depending on your mood. The closest I can imagine is live theater, where the actors might slightly change their lines and the timing based on how the audience responds. But that is very slight, and not at all amenable to algorithmic analysis. Or maybe standup comedy, where the comedian definitely changes things based on how the audience responds. But there is no way you are going to have computers gauging the effect of a comedy show appropriately.

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  12. Phrasing! by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    The dramatic thing is when you turn video into a two-way conversation. Your audience is touching and interacting inside the experience and making things happen

    Look, I know that most video technologies end up getting used for porn first, but you could have been a little more discreet in the description...

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    1. Re:Phrasing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember when the interactive camera angle and seamless branching of DVD's changed the way movies were made?

      Neither does anyone else, because it didn't, and neither will 5G. Porn or not.

    2. Re:Phrasing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fahrenheit 451 (1966)
      https://youtu.be/QAFGUEUVweU?t=25

  13. Utterly unrelated protocol layer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What donth

  14. Black Electrical Tape by foxalopex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sooo... How much longer before I start seeing folks taping over their phone camera with a piece of electrical tape?

    1. Re:Black Electrical Tape by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      10 years ago...

    2. Re:Black Electrical Tape by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But then how would they take selfies?

    3. Re:Black Electrical Tape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Selfies?
      Really?
      How quaint and old fashioned you people are. Selfies are so.... ancient. No person who is even remotely 'On Trend' would be seen dead taking a selfie or being in one. /s

    4. Re:Black Electrical Tape by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      How long until a camera is embedded under the screen so it can't be blocked without covering the screen?

  15. Thanks Sting by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    Maybe they could finally solve the worst issue of phone. videos, landscape vs portrait videos. Maybe they can add some spiffy 5G whiz-bang technology to shock the camera user if they're shooting in portrait mode.

    The other thing that could be beneficial would be direct save to some cloud service, so if the phone is confiscated or destroyed, the data would be "safe". Especially for something like police body cams...

    1. Re:Thanks Sting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like these portrait videos fine. How about the manufacturers use a square sensor or something and shoots horizontal video when holding the phone vertical, or even 1:1 video.
      Or deal with it. It just isn't worth caring about. Both formats are wrong, 4:3 was much closer to useful/focused human vision. Like, being able to see both the ground and the sky.
      People shooting video one-handed aren't wrong. There might be no video of what they videoed if they didn't.
      A lone guy in the US once chose 1.777777... aspect ratio instead of 1.666666... just so the black bars would be smaller for ultra wide Hollywood movies.
      We've been stuck with it ever since. What if your laptop was 1920x1152 instead of 1920x1080.

    2. Re:Thanks Sting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, police body cams : these are the biggest fail ever. People feel unsafe due to too many pigs running around (wow). People demands body cams be installed on the body. Congrats, now the pigs are walking body cams and that's one more reason to run away from them!

  16. This is already feasible with 4G, right? by schure · · Score: 1

    How is this so different from the capabilities of current spy apps?

    1. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      In both cases it is overblown.

      One reason

      asymmetric upload speeds. Isps will cap upload speeds and latency such that this kind of spying won't work.

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    2. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is this different than spy apps?

      A thief may steal property but a liar may steal reality.

      Pair two technologies we know already exist. They have shown us video that has been altered that most people didn't catch like Obama making statements he didn't make just used his millions of audio data to make a false statement and edit lip movement to match.
      Now pair it with Google's assistant which can book appointments and interact in a way undetectable by most people. Good thing they don't have 15 years of you speaking, enunciating, divulging personal information over the wire...what you've been using Google voice for a decade? Google fiber too? OMG and your Gmail? Well heck mixed with customized video, your voice and knowledge of virtually everything you've said for two decades they could literally call your mama on Skype and tell her you'll be there for dinner.

      So what's the big deal? Reality has effectively has been stolen from you. Your choices, opinions, and personality are based on lies and that makes you what they want to make you.

      Or you may choose to still call us paranoid

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    3. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Pros_n_Cons · · Score: 1

      Google fi I meant. Google altered my text with spell check. Kinda drives home the point though doesn't it?

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    4. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 4, Funny

      How is this different than spy apps?

      A thief may steal property but a liar may steal reality.

      Pair two technologies we know already exist. They have shown us video that has been altered that most people didn't catch like Obama making statements he didn't make just used his millions of audio data to make a false statement and edit lip movement to match.

      Now pair it with Google's assistant which can book appointments and interact in a way undetectable by most people. Good thing they don't have 15 years of you speaking, enunciating, divulging personal information over the wire...what you've been using Google voice for a decade? Google fiber too? OMG and your Gmail? Well heck mixed with customized video, your voice and knowledge of virtually everything you've said for two decades they could literally call your mama on Skype and tell her you'll be there for dinner.

      So what's the big deal? Reality has effectively has been stolen from you. Your choices, opinions, and personality are based on lies and that makes you what they want to make you.
       

      Finally, a good reason to have an existential crisis.

    5. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't. In order for it to have anything to do with your point it would have to have been modified *after* you hit submit, and the reason would have had to have been something nefarious.

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    6. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They don't have to send _video_ of you back. They only have to send back the results of the analysis of the video.

      Did scenes with fancy sports cars cause your eyes to dilate? Were you less likely to look away from the screen for a scene set in a coffee shop, or one set in a pizza parlor?

      Don't fool yourself that upload speeds will ever get in the way of spying.

    7. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Bobrick · · Score: 2

      What dimwit voted this AC down?

    8. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now ask yourself whether you want the commercials to have access to this same data.

    9. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Geez, I never thought works of science fiction would be such a realistic guide for the future. 1984 for much of what we see today....and now, I"m thinking I might need a "scramble suit" from A Scanner Darkly.

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    10. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      None, as far as I can tell. Was it at -1 when you posted?

    11. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      +1 AC.
      How many people are in the room, what are they saying during the ads.
      The they become more responsive to an ad with a celebrity?.
      Changes in face, eyes, attention.
      That needs real time uploading so brands can see what their ads are doing to the minds of the consumers.

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    12. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      It was that or 0, it's up now.

    13. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      AC posts start off at 0

    14. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Humanity is having its existential crisis.

    15. Re: This is already feasible with 4G, right? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      They don't have to send _video_ of you back. They only have to send back the results of the analysis of the video.

      And this requires 5G does it?

  17. Let's adress the real non-sequitur here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is a low-level data transmission technology in any way related to specific high-level application "features"?

    Will the standard comittee "i.p." the technology, and only license it to manufacturers that make devices with screens and cameras, and force usage of only specific software on them that only supports downloading videos while watching them (and afterwards forgetting where it downloaded them) (aka "streamin"), if the user is spied on too??

    That sounds more than silly.

    How would a 5G tower even check that? Or care...

    The whole thing is batshit insane. Full locked section of thmental hostpital level!

    1. Re:Let's adress the real non-sequitur here. by laie_techie · · Score: 4, Informative

      How is a low-level data transmission technology in any way related to specific high-level application "features"?

      Will the standard comittee "i.p." the technology, and only license it to manufacturers that make devices with screens and cameras, and force usage of only specific software on them that only supports downloading videos while watching them (and afterwards forgetting where it downloaded them) (aka "streamin"), if the user is spied on too??

      That sounds more than silly.

      How would a 5G tower even check that? Or care...

      The whole thing is batshit insane. Full locked section of thmental hostpital level!

      I wish I had mod points! 5G is just a connection standard. In theory 5G connection speeds might be enough to support a new video technology with big brother watching video of you, but at this point it's all FUD

    2. Re:Let's adress the real non-sequitur here. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Considering it hasn't happened yet with people watching movies on fiber connections I can't see 5G being all that revolutionary in what entertainment IS.

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    3. Re:Let's adress the real non-sequitur here. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points! 5G is just a connection standard. In theory 5G connection speeds might be enough to support a new video technology with big brother watching video of you, but at this point it's all FUD

      5G isn't even that any more.

      It hasn't been a connection standard since US telco's decided to call 3.5G technologies like HSPA, 4G technologies.

      LTE hasn't even met the IEEE specifications for 4G, it was listed as a 3.9G technology. However the Telco's got their way and now all 4G, 5G, 6G, so on and so forth are, are marketing terms. I'm just waiting for Verizon or AT&T to claim they've got 9G because it's G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-Good.

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  18. Don't worry Americans, you're safe. by Puls4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Our data plans won't allow the amount of data transfer that this requires.

    Most people will already blow through their phone's data allocations if they stream over it. The hotspot data? One sizeable file and you're done. Stream a couple movies? Done.

    So if you are some huge data plan where you can actually USE that neat feature, cool. But how will these companies justify suddenly give people 5 or 10x the data they current do? They already say that the infrastructure is too expensive to provide what we already get.

    So don't worry. We're safe....

    1. Re:Don't worry Americans, you're safe. by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      Carriers can make this possible provided they get dibs on the data generated.

  19. The Internet Manages to Disappoint even at 5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this what it boils down to? Watching TV shows? 5 razor blades giving a much better shave, than 4? What was wrong with the single blade, FFS?

    Just give me my folding two-in-one laptop, and my Chateau Nuf, stat

    1. Re: The Internet Manages to Disappoint even at 5G by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Anyone who asks "What was wrong with the single blade" has never used a 5 blade razor. The multiple blade razor is far, far better.

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    2. Re: The Internet Manages to Disappoint even at 5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 5 times

  20. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course they will not just use this data to provide interactive video but to provide all manner of feedback for other purposes as well (to "tailor the user experience")

    Ads, political content, news stories, and on and on. Just the next step in sculpting your own individual rendition of reality.

    Many people I know live in their own bubble anyway. My hunch is that might help everyone get along a bit better. I think that's why some are so surprised that some topics have more depth to them, they've only been hearing one side and didn't realize that there was more than one facet to the problem. It's not uncommon that both 'sides' of an issue are roughly stating the truth, they just focus on different aspects of the truth.

  21. Not specific to 5G by Wyzard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just saying that 5G will be fast enough for interactive two-way video with low latency. Sure, but that's already possible with the wired and wifi connections that people use at home. So it's not like this'll be an automatic and direct consequence of 5G; it's just a separate technology that happens to also be in development.

    1. Re:Not specific to 5G by locopuyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's already possible with 4G LTE and people are doing it now. LTE had huge latency improvements over 3G.

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  22. So what's the problem? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    Just avoid the Blipverts.

  23. 1984 Telescreens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    So essentially they're creating Orwell's Telescreen. The TV that watches you!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescreen

    1. Re:1984 Telescreens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in Soviet Russia something something?

  24. don't we already have interactive video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were usually lame video games.

  25. Looks like I'm done watching horror movies. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ring was scary enough when it wasn't addressing me directly in AR.

  26. I see pornplications in your future. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see pornplications in your future.

  27. 5G Cures Cancer by Luthair · · Score: 3, Funny

    Says guy in 5g industry.

  28. Nope... by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Half the country has sub 200ms latency connections at 10+Mbps transfer rates to most well homed services now. In their homes. Plenty for responsive (whatever that means exactly) HD Video.

    We'd see this kind of entertainment already if there was really a market for it. "On cell phone" does not some how make the nature of why we enjoy video change.

    People consume entertainment video precisely because its passive. Its all about being spoon fed entertainment or information without having to work for it. Its also about shared experience; you want to be able to discuss what you saw with others. Not many really want a "choose your own adventure" movie. How do you talk about it with your buddies when each of your stories had a different ending? - You don't - its a video game at that point its a very different conversation - usually about play style etc...

    5G is just more data faster. Its not some revolution; and I suspect we are going find that for the vast majority of users beyond 4G is moving into the territory of diminishing returns.

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    1. Re:Nope... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Kind of like the choose your own adventure books a niche market...

    2. Re:Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most home PCs don't come with an integrated face camera and a convenient and consistent way to get access to it, while every smartphone these days has it baked in.

      The combination of high speed plus hardware ubiquity is the reason this guy's banking on 5G opening the market.

    3. Re:Nope... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm still trying to figure out what market demand 5G is trying to meet. The only use case I can think of which isn't already met by 4G data is pirating movies (downloading multi-gigabyte files in a short period of time). 4G is already fast enough for streaming, web browsing, email/facebook, video sharing/conferencing. It's already as fast or faster than the wired Internet speeds for anyone except people on fiber or high-end cable Internet plans. As people have joked, 5G speeds would let them blow through their monthly data cap in less than a minute.

      The only practical reason I can think of for switching to 5G is that it helps carriers free up congestion. By providing higher burst bandwidth, it gets users off their data network more quickly, leaving more bandwidth for users who want new data.

    4. Re:Nope... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out what market demand 5G is trying to meet. The only use case I can think of which isn't already met by 4G data is pirating movies (downloading multi-gigabyte files in a short period of time).

      AND doing it to your phone instead of your home computer.

      Don't worry. "5G" will be what the carriers call the next incremental improvement over "4G", because of course "5G" sounds more modern and hip and will sell a lot of phones.

    5. Re:Nope... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to figure out what market demand 5G is trying to meet.

      Every market demand. You just don't understand the secondary benefits that generational steps have brought.

      Loading Slashdot in 100ms instead of 200ms may not mean much to your eyes, but it will half the active high-power time on the receiver of your phone. It will also reduce the time spent in backhaul. You forget that freeing up congestion has significant benefits to consumers.

      Then there's other features like multi-point connectivity to prevent dropouts, inherently lower power requirements on the radio which is one of the reasons you keep hearing "Internet of Things" advertised when talking about 5G. There's also talk of having a far higher maximum connection count per base station than previous standards which is odd because the range is actually reduced too, so they are definitely planning for many more things to be connected to 5G than 4G.

    6. Re:Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The demand by ISPs to no longer have to install copper or fiber. That's why the marketing is all so weird. There is no benefit to users, so they have to make up nonsense to convince people that a shared 5G connection and a neighborhood full of ugly short-range towers is better than than a dedicated fiber connection.

    7. Re:Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is pretty simple. Once it becomes common in porn, it will head mainstream. Until then.. ignore it.. it's bullshit.

  29. Yep, a whole new world of 4-chan by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Trolling. Your rom com will turn into a Super Hero themed horror movie starting CGI babies mid way into season 2 while your horror flick becomes a Ken Burns style documentary on bo weavils. It'll be glorious.

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  30. Oh FFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We already have two-way, lag-free user experiences in the real world. That's why I'm trying to escape into watching a mindless video.

    Now get off my lawn!

  31. One benefit to living in the country by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 2

    Given the extremely short range of 5G, deployment to rural areas isn't likely going to happen much so this sort of foolishness won't be a problem.

  32. You Did not Laugh Hard Enough by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Prepare for reeducation camp!

  33. Yeah right. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    I'll believe it when I see it. My Verizon so-called 4G LTE "speed" is almost always measured in kB/sec when I can get data at all in the urban area where I live and work.

    1. Re:Yeah right. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      With 5G, they literally have to have more towers due to signal propagation issues. That will make it much harder, though not impossible to have very congested nodes. Some places in the city are so thick with people that even 5G won't deliver much per-user (they might finally get what was promised by 3G).

  34. Think Of The Possibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the endless possible ways we could have advertisers interrupt and interact with us while we squint at some commercial placement infested NetFlix ~~Shitshow~~ Original.

    Did you mean to close that card? We have other better cards for you here. Don't forget to "Like" our picture in a picture ads. Get 20% Off now!!

    I can hardly wait!!!!

  35. 5G will also give you cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5G will also give you cancer. Enjoy your cancer!

  36. so gaming? by houghi · · Score: 1

    Gamung is pretty interactive, so that already happens. Data minung is also not new. Should I rewrite my script to add "withh 5G" to all patenrs now?

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    1. Re:so gaming? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      Nope...porn.

  37. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    But such technology will most certainly also lead to ads that aren't just unskippable, but have to be watched as well. "RESUME VIEWING... RESUME VIEWING... RESUME VIEWING"

    Reminds me of that Black Mirror episode.

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  38. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think there's a black mirror episode referencing that

  39. At last... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...those 7 wacky castaways will finally get off Gilligan's Island! Will make for a very short season though.

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    1. Re:At last... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      ...those 7 wacky castaways will finally get off Gilligan's Island! Will make for a very short season though.

      I disagree.

      I think there are WAY more than enough of us that enjoy seeing Mary Ann in her tight shorts and crop tops......we'll keep them on the island for viewing forever.

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  40. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russ,

    oh wait, never mind.

    Reality: everyone is expected to be watching, those who aren't excited about dear leader will be "re-educated"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story...

  41. No way. I have my front-facing camera taped over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want someone/something looking back at me while I'm watching a video or reading news stories so I put a small square of white duct tape over the front-facing camera hole. It's on a white background so it really doesn't stand out. Down-side: no selfies but that's no sacrifice for me.

  42. 5g, 5 senses by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Its meant to appeal to your 5 senses. :) lol

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  43. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by nnull · · Score: 1

    Everything that Snowden revealed, nobody even cares anymore it seems. It just seems the typical consumer is either too dumb downed to notice this or they simply don't have the time to care. The outlash from the public has been very minimal, giving these companies enough leeway to pull this off without any outcry.

  44. Re:Developers, devel... er, data, data, data. And by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Please drink verification can to continue."

  45. cover the camera by yorgasor · · Score: 1

    Many security specialists already recommend covering the camera on your laptop when you're not using it. Perhaps it's time to do that with our phones as well.

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  46. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a garbage article! Seriously, this is the worst.

    1). Does 'interactive video' really need 5G? Really? Do we not have good 802.11 services? Is 4G not sufficient? Can we never use wired Ethernet?

    2). What the h3ll does the article even mean by 'interactive video' anyways? Are they talking about multiple storyline canned content? In which case, it has been done, it exists, but it's hard to build and not that much exists as a result. Or are they talking about simple interactive video sessions with ordinary human beings? In which case, you know, WebEx, Skype, FaceTime, ...

    This whole thing reads like a breathless PR piece for 5G services. You know, 'Your life begins with 5G! You've never felt so alive! Free at last!"

  47. Open Standards by rtkluttz · · Score: 1

    This is why open standards should be codified by law. Encryption and DRM should NOT be allowed to be used to lock you into the PLAYER/VIEWER/APPLICATION software to use content. If the content was free'd to be used in any application by law, then this type of shit wouldn't be happening.

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  48. Like 3D, we keep coming back to it. by Kyr+Arvin · · Score: 1
    I hear what the article brings up every five or ten years or so -- we'll have more truly interactive content, it'll gauge your reactions, it'll be tailored for you. The problem is that leads to experiences that aren't written as well. It's much harder to bring everything together when you have to come up with so many plot possibilities. It will also make productions much, much more expensive.

    Remember the movie 1985 movie Clue, which had a different ending depending on which theater you went to? Why didn't that catch on? Is it because they had to make the story as vague and generic enough that it could support all those different endings? Is it because filming those different possibilities ramped up the costs without it actually translating into box office dollars? Was it an experiment that audiences weren't really interested in, because despite the novelty, people want shared, similar experiences? How could they have come up with a sequel? With that many branches of the story, you either have to film many more extensions to each variation of the story, or else those "differences" don't have much impact, letting you collapse all those threads back into one again.

    1. Re: Like 3D, we keep coming back to it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this is probably better geared toward computer generated content.

      For example at the end of the hentai it might detect people who are on a scale of "vanilla" to "batshit crazy" and that would determine a number of things such as how big the octopuses tentacles are and how many people are part of the bukkake, etc.

    2. Re:Like 3D, we keep coming back to it. by ledow · · Score: 1

      I don't want tailored content.

      Netflix can't even manage to work out what kind of movies I like from a bunch of things created in the 80's, with a huge list of "thumbs up/down" ratings from me on other movies, and a complete record of my viewing history down to which second I turn the movie off.

      Literally, it has NO IDEA what I like. Top picks "for me" today include: Cradle 2 The Grave (no idea what that even is), Transformers (never watched such a movie in my life), Gotham (never watched the Batman stuff), Oblivion (hate Tom Cruise), Peppa Pig (I don't have a child on my account and don't watch cartoons for 5-year-olds), and a film about the Vietnam War (I honestly wouldn't watch it if you paid me). The only thing even vaguely close is one right at the end - the original Jumanji. Something I've actually watched before on Netflix, when Robin Williams died. Every other one is basically like somebody was TRYING to make a list of movies that I actually wouldn't like.

      If, quite literally, we can't get a movie recommendation correct, how the hell are we going to have anything gauging our personal preferences for an ending for a movie?

  49. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  50. filter bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think filter bubbles are a problem with searches and news?

    Wait until EVERYTHING you hear/see directly reflects your emotions.

  51. Lots wanted Choose your own adventure movies by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Tell Tale games did big business. The only trouble they had (besides getting screwed in some contracts with their investors) was getting folks to pay up front while the movie was being made. They ran out of cash while getting screwed by investors because folks were waiting until the whole "movie" was out.

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  52. Re: No way. I have my front-facing camera taped ov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some ISPs in Canada send tape strips to all their customers to cover their webcams with.

    Although, I've been doing this for decades except on a few of my Unix machines where I don't even have webcam drivers.

  53. What an amazing 40+ year old invention! by locater16 · · Score: 1

    Wow, the story writer and OP have re-discovered one of the highest grossing forms of entertainment ever... video games! If only it weren't already a multi billion dollar industry popular the world over, then I'm sure this idea would really go somewhere.

  54. Think harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5G penetrates the blood brain barrier. It's a kill shot.

  55. stop splitting your comment between the subject by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    and the fucking body.

  56. Blipverts by Doc+Right · · Score: 1

    Well at least we'll get to view the Rebus Tape when they start blowing people up with Blipverts. "Zik-Zak's new one thousand volt Christian Converter! Plug yourself in, and your friends will see the light! A very large flash of light..." - Max Headroom

  57. Max Headroom anyone? by lpq · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a story about a society where you were watched by your TV and it was illegal to turn off the TV (people through blankets over it)...