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Kids' Apps Are Flooded With Ads (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Those cute little apps your child plays with are most likely flooded with ads -- some of which are totally age-inappropriate, researchers have found. A stunning 95 percent of commonly downloaded apps that are marketed to or played by children age five and under contain at least one type of advertising, according to a new report in the Journal of Developmental & Behavioral Pediatrics. And that goes for the apps labeled as educational, too, researchers say. Often the ads are intrusive, spread across in a banner or even interrupting play, said study coauthor Dr. Jenny Radesky, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Michigan and the University of Michigan C. S. Mott Children's Hospital.

Perhaps the most insidious ads are the ones you need to click a little "x" to get rid of, Radesky said. "The little 'x' doesn't show up for about 20 seconds," she explained. "If you're a 2- or 3-year-old you might think the ad is a part of the game. And you don't know what to do. You might click on the ad and that could take you to the app store. Many of these ads require you to do things before the 'x' will appear." Some ads are for products that aren't appropriate for kids, Radesky said. "I've seen banner ads for bipolar treatment in some of these apps," she added.
One of the problems with these ads is that kids often can't tell where the game leaves off and the ad begins. "There's science to show that children aged 8 and younger can't distinguish between media content and advertising," Radesky said.

The researchers surveyed 135 of the most downloaded free and paid apps in the "age five and under" category in the Google Play store and found that 95 percent of them "contained at least one type of advertising, which included use of popular cartoon characters to sell products, teasers suggesting the purchase of the 'full' version of the app, and advertising videos that interrupted play to promote in-app purchases or purchases of other products," reports Reuters.

123 comments

  1. Re: WTF is wong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We waanna wong yong time with him

  2. Bi-Polar Treatment by DalM · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... Why might a psychological doctor and researcher's kids be served ads for bi-polar treatments?
    Nothing immediately comes to mind...

    Unless, maybe, could it be that the psychological doctor and researcher was the actual target of the AI targeted ad?

    1. Re: Bi-Polar Treatment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your point? The adult isn't the target audience for the app, the ad targeting is still flawed.

    2. Re: Bi-Polar Treatment by DalM · · Score: 1

      Do you remember watching Saturday morning cartoons and seeing an unusual number of ads for birth control and menstrual pads? The kids weren't the target then either.

      The ads aren't geared towards the kids who have no money. The ads are focused toward their parents who do.

    3. Re: Bi-Polar Treatment by gnick · · Score: 1

      Saturday morning cartoon ads get seen by everyone with a view of the TV. Phone ads are visible to everyone who can see the phone. Are you suggesting that parents are watching ads over their children's shoulders while they're playing games? Or do you think the advertisers are counting on the kids seeing the ads and then recommending their preferred brand of bipolar medication to their parents? Those scenarios seem unlikely.

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    4. Re: Bi-Polar Treatment by DalM · · Score: 2

      Honestly I don't think either. I think the researcher is giving her kids her phone. The ads are the same ads that are being served to the researcher on all of her AdSense supported apps based on her Google ads profile. I think the ads think that it's the researcher playing the kids games.

      That was the point of my original comment.

    5. Re: Bi-Polar Treatment by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Just ban ads already. The world would be a better place with the visual vomit of ads.

  3. Hmmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't there laws dealing with advertising directed at kids?

    This sounds like people are turning these kids apps into shitholes of ads and other predatory crap.

    If you have an app marketed to kids 5 and under, it really needs to adhere to some standards, and not just what some asshole marketing company feels is OK.

    Once again, ad companies are fucking useless parasites.

    1. Re:Hmmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its funny, every time I talk about basic ethics (things like not allowing malvertisers to have ads on their servers) with advertising people, the response is, "I drive a better car than you do".

      It is sort of shocking the contempt these people have for their fellow men, and how they will skirt the law any chance they get.

    2. Re:Hmmmm .... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Obviously, some things shouldn't be on a kids application; but it is understandable these apps finance themselves through ads.

      Kids don't have money typically- they can't go to the store and buy games by themselves. (they shouldn't be installing apps by themselves either- but I'm sure it happens).

      Kids can't buy apps but they sure can see ads and then go to the parental units afterwards and beg for whatever toy, game, or erectile performance product they saw on an ad.

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    3. Re:Hmmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't there laws dealing with advertising directed at kids?

      Ads directed at kids are illegal where I live.

  4. Re:WTF is wong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HE WILL LAUNCH ALL MISSILES.

  5. Re:So? by rkordmaa · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You will once these kids grow up used to annoying adds everywhere, all over the place all the bloody time. Better get used to an idea of your phone waking you up 4am to advertise insomnia drugs to you, because if businesses could get away with doing that shit, they would. And if the next generation grows up used to adds all the bloody time everywhere, hey soon enough they will.

    Smartphones are in serious need of a thriving open source ecosystem.

  6. Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Kid applications are horrible. Its hard to find decent ones. We basically ended up ditching android, getting a reasonably cheap ipad on a Christmas sale and only loading it with PBS Kids and then paying for ABC Mouse. The iPad is easier for them to hold, and the little home button is very intuitive for kids. This then allows apps to take the whole screen and not having the other UI elements on the edge for an accidental hit.

    1. Re:Yep by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      Hmm, am I the only one thinking this is a paid ad for iPad?

    2. Re:Yep by DalM · · Score: 1

      Both PBS Kids and ABC Mouse are on Android too.

  7. Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I figure don't companies were providing games for free. What a strange concept to actually try tp get money.

  8. Teach them how to use the back button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't trick people into clicking the ad if you push the back button

  9. IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DO NOT ALLOW YOUR KIDS TO GROW-UP USING SMARTPHONE/TABLET/IOT!!!

    Make them grow-up (tried and true!) good old fashioned way: Books/toys (but NOT internet connected ones)!!!

    1. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      DO NOT ALLOW YOUR KIDS TO GROW-UP USING SMARTPHONE/TABLET/IOT!!!

      Make them grow-up (tried and true!) good old fashioned way: Books/toys (but NOT internet connected ones)!!!

      Books and toys are important; but so is technology. I wouldn't want my kids growing up as luddites and unable to understand basic technology that others in their age range were competent at. Limiting tablet time is very important- but taking them away completely is a way to harm your child's chance at future successes.

      Everything in moderation.

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    2. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by DalM · · Score: 1

      Taking a tablet away completely isn't going to hurt the kid. 4 year olds aren't learning how to program apps, they are just vegging out to paw patrol videos. A 4 year old that can use a tablet to find a Netflix video is neither surprising nor impressive because the UI's of these devices are so simple that a 4 year old can easily learn it.

      Look, screen time isn't the devil people pretend it is. But ultimately it's probably no better or worse that just looking at children's picture books.

    3. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Taking a tablet away completely isn't going to hurt the kid. 4 year olds aren't learning how to program apps,

      Why not? I had only just turned 5 when I wrote my first program on an old Sinclair Spectrum 48K... OK so it was barely above "Hello World", but still. Playing games made me curious about them, being curious about them made my dad give me a book about BASIC for my 5th birthday. In under a year I was writing my own unique crappy programs- but they were all me. Not all kids are going to be reading as well as I did at that age, but nonetheless, some kids will want to learn how to do things their own way and not just follow the existing apps and programs.

      Using apps, kids become understanding of the concept of menus and buttons and where things might logically be stored. A kid who grew up with a computer might flip through menus to find out how to do something. Grandma on the other hand will look at a screen baffled.

      Kids who are comfortable with the technology are more likely to think "I wish it would do this?" or "I wonder how I can do this?"

      Understanding a technology at an early age, the kid is more likely to think about "how can I hack this to do something different, that I want?" Someone who learns how to operate technology at 5 is going to be much more comfortable and likely to get competent with it at 25 than someone who was banned the technology as a child and didn't see it until they were already an adult.

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    4. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

      Everything in moderation.

      Exactly!

      Be a parent, not the baby sitter. Take an active part in your kids life, see what interests them, guide them. Don't just chuck them a tablet and tell them to google it. Play a few minutes of each game, if you don't like it for any reason then remove it.

    5. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by DalM · · Score: 1

      1) A 4 year old isn't a 5 year old.

      2) No you didn't program "hello world" at 5, and you weren't programming any of your own unique programs -regardless how crappy- at that time. If you had said 7, I might have believed you. 10 is completely reasonable that an advanced student would could write unique programs. But you couldn't read at 5, much less write your own unique programs. Why lie?

    6. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you couldn't read at 5

      I could read simple sentences when I started school at 5. My mother taught me with flash cards. There's nothing remarkable about that (although I agree that programming in any meaningful sense that age is pretty unlikely).

    7. Re:IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS!!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      1) A 4 year old isn't a 5 year old.

      2) No you didn't program "hello world" at 5, and you weren't programming any of your own unique programs -regardless how crappy- at that time. If you had said 7, I might have believed you. 10 is completely reasonable that an advanced student would could write unique programs. But you couldn't read at 5, much less write your own unique programs. Why lie?

      I absolutely 100% was writing my own programs at 5. My mum was a stay at home mum, so I was reading simple baby books unassisted by the time I turned 4 (I was also speaking her native language which I have now almost entirely forgotten). They weren't great, they didn't do anything useful, but I was writing them. I didn't do things like moving graphics and stuff until I was 7 or 8. My programs were things like '10 Dim x 20 Input "What is your name?", x 30 Print x + " is an idiot.' 40 Goto 10". With the Spectrum you didn't have to load any special software for writing code- you just did it at the command prompt and it stored it in the memory.

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  10. What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Nintendo's Super Mario Run follows the same shareware model as Idthesda's Doom, putting up the paywall after a few levels. If "teasers suggesting the purchase of the 'full' version of the app" are objectionable, then what's the least dishonest way for a game studio to both allow a parent to evaluate a game and keep a roof over the heads of its programmers and artists?

  11. to add to OP's findings by MichaelRudner · · Score: 2

    my almost 4 year old year old clicks skip, and clicks x''s on Ads

  12. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Smartphones are in serious need of a thriving open source ecosystem.

    Honestly, what smartphones are in need of is people finally realising they don't need to have their face buried in the goddamned things all the time, and for people to realise that social media is largely pointless bullshit designed to show you ads and harvest your information.

    I've heard stories about people being knocked down and injured by the idiots who don't look up from their phones. I've stopped caring if some moron refuses to look where they're going, and instead I rely on the fact that I'm bigger than most people and will simply walk through them. If you can't be arsed to watch where you are going, it's not my job to get out of your way.

    Children who are so hooked on the phone because parents just give it to them as a soother go on to become these really insane little brats who can't amuse themselves for 10 seconds without a phone.

    There shouldn't even be apps targeted at kids 5 and under. Give them books and toys instead of digital brain overload which ramps them up into a frenzy.

    I count the number of kids we get for Halloween. This year I'll be adding a separate tally with the number of cellphones I see.

  13. Why is anyone surprised? by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 2

    Adult apps are riddled with ads. Why is anyone surprised kids apps are as well? Why anyone would be deploying apps to children without playing enough of it to get a feel for how much junk it pumps should be beyond me, but considering how many parents just hand these things off as virtual babysitters without a second thought, sadly it is not. Pile on the fact that the populous seems to be blind to intrusive, oversaturating and pervasive advertising and it's not really shocking at all.

    Pony up for quality content, or enjoy your child getting indoctrinated. If you're not paying for the product, you are the product, and so is your child.

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  14. Media Content vs Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There's science to show that children aged 8 and younger can't distinguish between media content and advertising,"

    Most adults can't either (FB, certain network "news" programs, etc...)

  15. Not necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't let the apps have network access you don't see the ads.

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  17. Re:So? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    The problem is these Ads are just a touch away from a purchase. Back when I was a kid, where we had TV Shows that were 1/2 hour commercials for toys, and even seeing a full movie which was an advertisement for Nintendo. We could want this stuff as much as anyone, but we were limited by Mom and Dad. Who often had the final say of Yes you can have this or No you can't, even a non-helicopter parent at that time had that degree of control.

    Now with these Apps, you are just a click away from immediate gratification, and in-app purchase. Without the kids really realizing that getting $1.00 add ins that offer 10 minutes of mediocre enjoyment, could had been used somewhere else.

    Sure some adults don't get this, but at least they will need to realize the consequences of such actions.

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  18. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nintendo's Super Mario Run follows the same shareware model as Idthesda's Doom, putting up the paywall after a few levels. If "teasers suggesting the purchase of the 'full' version of the app" are objectionable, then what's the least dishonest way for a game studio to both allow a parent to evaluate a game and keep a roof over the heads of its programmers and artists?

    If they want a roof over their heads, let them get a 2nd job doing real work instead of creating imaginary "property" and expecting to be paid for it.

  19. Pi-Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took less than 30 minutes to install a raspberry pi running pi-hole at home and it immediately eliminated 99.9% of ads for all devices on my network. Best $75 I have spent in a long time.

    https://pi-hole.net/

    1. Re:Pi-Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pi-hole breaks a lot of phone/tablet apps that rely on CDNs to provide content. I got rid of it after three days.

    2. Re:Pi-Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can whitelist whatever you need to in order to make them work; generally CDN are not the same as the ad networks and pi-hole can differentiate between them quite well.

  20. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    You must be a riot at concerts.

  21. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by Luthair · · Score: 1

    You might have noticed how they haven't made another :)

  22. Not a babysitter by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Devices aren't babysitters, take some responsibility and don't leave your kid unattended playing random shit.

    1. Re:Not a babysitter by tmetzcc325 · · Score: 1

      If you're seeking out apps from the "age five and under" category, you're an awful parent.

  23. Kids Apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure you mean ALL APPS

  24. In other news... by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

    Water is wet.
    The sky doesn't have a color.
    The gov sucks more than every vacuum cleaner sold in the last 50 years combined..
    Apps have intrusive inappropriate ads.

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  25. It's shameless by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    My 4 year inherited an old phone that had literally nothing but the youtube app so he could watch stuff. Within a day there was a couple games on it and within a week there was loads. Now it has all kinds of pop up shit and ad loaded screensavers going on. There's no payment or personal information or anything on it, it was wiped before he got it so whats the harm really but it is mad the amount of shit that can get on them. Before that he managed to subscribe to some service via a one touch thing on youtube on the wifes phone. I never let him touch mine.

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    1. Re:It's shameless by sootman · · Score: 1

      Android phone? Because it takes just a few taps to disable purchases or downloads of any kind in iOS.

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    2. Re:It's shameless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi moron!

      The youtube app won't install other apps. I bet your 4 year (sic) is smarter than you... dumbass.

    3. Re:It's shameless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off fanboi. The same can be done on Android in "just a few taps".

      Cheerlead harder

    4. Re:It's shameless by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I should look in to that.

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    5. Re:It's shameless by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      No, the youtube app links you to the store which installs the app. All he has to do is press the big button. Thanks for trying though.

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  26. Not Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything targeted at kids is full of ads. Saturday morning cartoons? Not only are they unlikely to have the money to pay for apps but more importantly we've long known their influential power on the spending of their parents. Of course they're a prime target for advertising. No one should be surprised by this as it's been around long before apps were a thing.

  27. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phones tend to send you garbage alerts all the time because you have notifications for that app turned on, and lo and behold, the notification is a fucking app notication is an ad for something else.

    At least on the iPhone, now even the notifications are useless, you just see "app name", unlock to read. So the spamability of the app is taken down a notch from "I should uninstall this app" to "I should just turn notifications off"

    Games in particular have no reason to push notifications. Hell every few hours the Simpsons tapped out would play a "homer" sound reminding me to play it, and I turned that notification off so fast.

    It's that kind of shit in childrens games that make the Android apps a cesspool, where as the paid games in iOS are usually ok unless they're really a Free2Play app, then they're trash.

  28. can't distinguish advertising 8 year old ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see that research. I can't speak about 5,6 but around 7 I started watching TV and I was always switching to doing something else when advertising came between cartoons.

  29. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate it when someone AC replies and that person isn't the original AC (that was me)

  30. Here's an idea by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1

    Don't stick a tablet in your kids' arms to "entertain" them (another word for "keep them quiet and have some peace" for many parents). Play board games with them. Buy them Legos or Playmobiles. That will develop their curiosity and their imagination - something electronic games don't do.

    Only when they're old enough to understand the ugly world of big data, online scammers, profiteers and pedo predators, and you've tought them a healthy dose of cynicism and paranoia on the internet, should you introduce them to the craptastic world of free online games...

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      That will develop their curiosity and their imagination - something electronic games don't do.

      Variety of activity for children is important. Some games DO develop curiosity and imagination- more than traditional toys might. Limiting time on tablet is important- completely removing it from their lives isn't helping- it hurts. Most adults who are competent with technology grew up with some technology. There's a reason why your average 60 year old needs help setting an alarm on their phone.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Some exposure is fine, it really sparks some inventive storylines when they're doing imaginary play with the toys and blocks when they begin to understand narrative structure. But yes, it is a bit more addictive than the magnatiles are so on, so if you don't set limits it wouldn't be good.

  31. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sorry, I still don't care. I think I understand why you care a little more but it seems...well...a little...hmmm how can I put this...you seem like a twat.

  32. Re:Apps for Leftists' kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True but still off-topic.

  33. Buy this magazine or we'll kill this dog marketing by theodp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    NYT: "In apps marketed for children 5 and under in the Google Play store, there were pop-up ads with disturbing imagery. There were ads that no child could reasonably be expected to close out of, and which, when triggered, would send a player into more ads. Dancing treasure chests would give young players points for watching video ads, potentially endlessly. The vast majority of ads were not marked at all. Characters in childrenâ(TM)s games gently pressured the kids to make purchases, a practice known as host-selling, banned in childrenâ(TM)s TV programs in 1974 by the Federal Trade Commission. At other times an onscreen character would cry if the child did not buy something."

  34. Re:So? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    You will once these kids grow up used to annoying adds everywhere, all over the place all the bloody time. Better get used to an idea of your phone waking you up 4am to advertise insomnia drugs to you, because if businesses could get away with doing that shit, they would. And if the next generation grows up used to adds all the bloody time everywhere, hey soon enough they will.

    If kids get used to the kinds of ads they are subjected to now (which they will) then they advertisers will just get more insidious and create even more intrusive and obnoxious ads.

    This kind of arms race was the exact reason many countries now have an advertising standards organisation that has the power to bad certain ads. Sure they get carried away some times (recently in the UK an ad for a Nissan Micra was banned for depicting excessive speed... a fucking Micra? but I digress) however they're better than not having them. Having recently spent a few days in the US has demonstrated why, the level of dishonesty and scare tactics permitted in advertising was astounding. Sure there were ads for sugary drinks in kids programs and might have been an ad for a Chevy that was driving fast... but the number of ads that were pure political fear-mongering was astounding. Sure the UK's ASA might get a bee in their collective bonnets over a car being driven slightly excitedly... but they also kill bullshit like political smear campaigns because they smack them down hard as soon as they start.

    I've nothing against the US mind you, lovely place to visit but your advertisers are complete scum because you let them act like complete scum.

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  35. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what you meant by that, so I'll reply to each of two plausible interpretations:

    Idthesda's Doom

    You might have noticed how they haven't made another

    Doom II, Doom 64, Doom 3, and Doom (2016) exist.

    Nintendo's Super Mario Run

    You might have noticed how they haven't made another

    Fire Emblem Heroes exists.

  36. yea.. by mschoolbus · · Score: 1

    Adults' Apps Are Flooded With Ads

  37. Child abuse by xack · · Score: 1

    Call it what it is.

  38. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by tepples · · Score: 1

    Let me know when the majority of voters in major economies approve of the winding-up of the entire entertainment industry.

  39. ages below 9 can't distinguish media and adverts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There's science to show that children aged 8 and younger can't distinguish between media content and advertising,"

    I don't believe it. Maybe some kids. But I remember knowing the difference when watching television, and I know my siblings and firneds kids know the difference. Maybe with deceptive app ads they can't tell, but ads and media in general?

  40. And in other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sun will rise in the east and set in the west. Must be a slow news day in the Slashdot universe.

  41. Well, that's why I monitor and regulate my kids' networked computer use (yes, phones/tablets are computers). And educate them about what they see.

    But I thought that made me an evil helicopter parent who is messing up my kids. So which is it?

  42. It is to be expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids generally don't have much money, someone need to pay for the apps to be written. So when the kids don't pay the advertisers do.

  43. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    lol. That guy's talking nonsense. This is the real me. Please disregard the other ACs.

  44. Re:Price of Free by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Case in point. My son thought commercials were mini-documentaries. So when at the store and sitting in the cart, he would say something like "no mommy, we need to by Tide to get the whitest of whites", "only ZipLock bags hold freshness in", and "I want a healthy heart, so I need Cherrios." None of this is true, but for kids that grow up in homes where lying is not the norm, they see all advertisements as truthful.

    You started out brilliantly there and then wound up in a big pile of crazy. Lying is the norm in your home, because you let your child watch commercial-supported TV, and commercials are all based on lies. (They may contain some truth, but that's not their thrust.) And on average, young children have an inability to distinguish the difference between commercials and programming. It's not whether lying is the norm but the intellectual development of the child that determines whether they believe everything they see on television or not.

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  45. Ugh by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as an "age appropriate" ad.

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  46. At what age do screen time limits end? by tepples · · Score: 1

    I've met some children in chat rooms that tell me they want to learn to program a computer, but their parents impose harsh screen time limits, such as six hours per week, even if all homework is complete or school is on vacation, and even if the child purchased the computer himself. If one of your children shows an interest in learning to program a computer, then at what approximate age would you allow enough screen time to make this practical?

    1. Re:At what age do screen time limits end? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      If they're motivated enough to buy their own computer I'd say let them have at it... otherwise I'd think you'd want them to be at least 12 to have manage the social morass and time management of the internet.

  47. Re:WTF is wong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah Mike Pence would be such an improvement. We know Trump isn't a jesus freak like Pence.

  48. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    correlate with number of parents giving their kids phones.

  49. Is anyone surprised? by KixWooder · · Score: 2

    To preface, I was a dual major in college, chemistry and marketing. Granted this was a few years ago (graduated in 2006), but I remember a class studying marketing and associated laws to various age groups, and childrens ads had the least amount of regulation. There have been efforts, but all have failed so far.

    If I recall, the companies fight against regulation aimed at marketing towards children higher than any other group because they can get a customer for life. There are some regulations on ads aimed at adults (alcohol, cigarettes, gambling in some states, etc.).

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  50. Re:WTF is wong with you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is not an argument for keeping Trump, your making a good argument for removing Pence too.

  51. Sugar Frosted Chocolate Bombs! by Zorro · · Score: 1

    All the Cool kids eat them. Are you a "Cool Kid"?

  52. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Captian Power and the Soldiers of the Future came out in late 1980's. GP mentioned early 1980's. BTW, GenXers were born from mid-1960's to early 1980's.

    Sorry, millenial.

  53. regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    COPPA explicitly prohibits this. COPPA seems effective for websites (I don't know of any that blatantly ignore the law like this), so why doesn't it work for apps? Is there some sort of loophole?

    1. Re:regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Any service is subject to the law if it takes info from children. Willingly given or not.

  54. Re:Price of Free by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    I didn't realize they couldn't tell the difference on average... we don't watch much broadcast, so the kids were exposed to children's cartoons on Netflix first, then eventually we would turn on things like PBS and even the interstitials there (not even real commercials!) bug the hell out of them for not being the program. We watch sports on broadcast, and there they find real commercials disinteresting except for movie trailers.

  55. Time to pull by fropenn · · Score: 1

    the Atari 7800 out of the attic. It still mostly works and not once did it steal my private data, body-shame me, demand I purchase an in-game widget, or send me to a dubious website that would install all sorts of horrible malware on my TV. And, Pitfall 2!

  56. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imposters! I am the real AC. This is clearly a ruse.

  57. Not Like This Hasn't Been Done Before by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Remember Soupy Sales' gag?

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

  58. 'Kids' shouldn't even have smartphones by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    They break stuff anyway and 'screen time' is bad for their development. Get them nice cheap dumbphones instead. Then 'apps' won't be an issue anymore, they won't learn to be distracted by a phone, and they might even (shocking!!!) learn to be social and actually pay attention in class, do their homework, have real hobbies, be physically active, etc.

    1. Re:'Kids' shouldn't even have smartphones by stdarg · · Score: 1

      The choice isn't between A) give a child a smartphone and let him be on it every waking moment to the detriment of his health and social development or B) no smartphone.

      I don't see anything wrong with some screentime. Putting on some Youtube Kids videos is good for car trips. My son is 4 now, learning to read, and is actually enjoying some of the reading-related apps like learning sight words.

      It is really disappointing how some apps targeted at kids abuse ads so much. I don't think your solution of "don't like it? don't use it" is very practical though.. that's just not human nature. I mean there are regulations about kids TV ads (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ), so at some point I'm sure online/app ads will get bad enough that people will cry out for regulation. The industry has a chance to regulate itself before then, and hopefully they listen to these complaints from parents before we have to put it in the law.

    2. Re:'Kids' shouldn't even have smartphones by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      It isn't "don't like it? don't use it", it's "can't trust 'em, don't use it", really. I watch tech news all week long and what I see is that even the most benign-seeming companies seem to end up doing something questionable (or just plain stupid), and it's even worse with smartphone apps. One of the myriad reasons I refuse to have a smartphone at all. If they were going to listen to consumer complaints they wouldn't do evil things in the first place. There are alternatives. If you want to keep your son amused on a car trip then get a tablet and he can watch vids on that instead, and you have much better control over security with a tablet than you do with any smartphone (with which you have basically zero control over security).

  59. If you're a 2- or 3-year-old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you should definitely not be playing with with a complex electronics device. Such devices are intended for kids 10-year-old or older.

  60. Re:US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US has decided "militia" to mean what it did in 1791, but "arms" to mean what it does in 2018.

  61. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I SAID "I hate it" and then you do it again just for laughs. You are a big poo.

  62. advertisement by brownjenin · · Score: 1

    i dont understand why?

  63. Re:Price of Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is no one in the greater open source community cares about children games as it serves no means to an end. So kids are left with games that provide some sort of monetary value to their creators.

    5 Best Linux Software Packages for Kids Even a trivial Google search proves you wrong. And at least some are for Windows, so it's not even a "must use Linux" thing.

    None of this is true, but for kids that grow up in homes where lying is not the norm, they see all advertisements as truthful.

    Yea, I guess it starts with the parents. You believe the advertised lies about "the greater open source community", and you can't be assed to do any sort of a search. Or you're incompetent as a parent, and you can't be assed to do any sort of a search. Take your pick.

  64. Re:ages below 9 can't distinguish media and advert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't you know? All humans develop exactly the same way at exactly the same time.
    They understand how to distinguish advertising when they are 13
    They understand how to consent to sex when they are 18
    They understand insurance contracts at 25,
    and they are not "fully developed" until 28.

    Everyone is the same. All the same. That's how it works, or so the psychologists and law would have you believe.

  65. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they meant that Nintendo has not released another smart device game with a payment model like Super Mario Run's, where you play a few levels for free, and pay for the remainder of the game. All other of their smart device titles (Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Dragalia Lost) are free to play the whole game. There are time restrictions you can pay to advance, and gacha-style purchases can be made, but otherwise you can play the whole game without paying. I am not familiar with these titles, so there may be paywalled content I am unaware of, but not in the same style as SMR demo=>pay=>full unlock.

  66. Re:US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please ban machine guns. Thank you, the Universe.

    Universe: Machine guns are illegal in the U.S.

  67. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Captian Power and the Soldiers of the Future came out in late 1980's."

    Copy-paste, Chris.

    "GP mentioned early 1980's."

    They had Saturday mornings in the late 1980s too, Chris, I mean "GP".

    " BTW, GenXers were born from mid-1960's to early 1980's."

    Which means a cartoon airing in the late 1980s would certainly be viewed by GenXers.

    "Sorry, millenial."

    Does it bother you that young people exist and have sex, Chris?

    When Funko Pop comes out with Captain Power plastic toys, will you make unboxing videos of them or not?

  68. Re:So? by mysidia · · Score: 2

    Without the kids really realizing that getting $1.00 add ins that offer 10 minutes of mediocre enjoyment, could had been used somewhere else.

    And the parent is insane if they allow their kid to use a smartphone or tablet that has instant In-App purchases enabled without typing in a secret passcode which the child does not have access to until they are older.

    The only complaint I have is Apple should have clearer UI standards surrounding how Ads are permitted to display themselves.

    Being required to interact with an Ad in an app or being required to watch for a period of time before closing the Ad is allowed should never be permitted
    (Apps that do ought to be rejected from the app store), Mandatory video ads can play only if the user specifically
    picked a command to play optional Video or Audio, and the ad is contained within the video, and while the Ad is playing the user has a working option displayed on screen to stop playing the video/go back or rewind/fast-forward at any point in time.

    On-screen ads should be clearly marked as "Sponsored Offer for Goods or Services,"
    and Audio/Video ads should always be preceded by a message such as "The following is a Sponsored Offer or Advertisement to encourage the purchase of 3rd party goods or services."

    When an Ad is displayed on screen, an "X" button for clearing/hiding the ad should be required to be shown at all times.

  69. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be a riot at concerts.

    The venue makes money leasing the space, the band makes money selling merch. All REAL physical property, not imaginary bullshit property.

  70. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by tepples · · Score: 1

    By this analogy, should music in styles not quite suitable for live performance cease to exist?

  71. I thought it said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Kids' Apps Are Flooded With Apps"

  72. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh of course, Chris. I believe you. Thanks for helping me remember.

    CROFL Jiggletits!

  73. Re:What's the least dishonest way to pay your devs by EvilSS · · Score: 1

    By this analogy, should music in styles not quite suitable for live performance cease to exist?

    There isn't anything preventing it to exist. But don't ask me to pay real money for your imaginary property. Ditto for software, video games, movies, etc. Find another way to fund your hobby.

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  74. DosBox? by skaralic · · Score: 1

    My kids (6 and 8) have their own little Linux machines (Pocket Chips) on which I've put some DOS games via Dos Box. So they need to boot the thing, open a terminal, start Dos Box, navigate to the game directory and type in the name of the .exe file to start it. It takes a few minutes...

    The love it! They play the usual DOS goodness: Commander Keen, Duke Nukem, Populous etc. Currently they're hooked on Dune 2... now they want me to read them the book...

    One day, when they do get their smart phones, they'll know they're crap and that the games on them are crap.

  75. ? what are they using ? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    My kid (~ 3) has an Amazon Fire 8 for Kids. It has a huge selection of apps and videos. I have never seen an ad on it or any inappropriate apps or videos. It requires zero policing on my part.

    What kid's device has this problem? Are parents actually letting their kids use adult devices or something?

  76. For the audience it's very simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't go wrong if you just assume that all political advertising is fraudulent. That way you don't have to go around making up all sorts of stupid rules. Remember, censorship is always evil and fascist. The listener/reader is the only one responsible for the choices they make.

  77. Re:So? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    recently in the UK an ad for a Nissan Micra was banned for depicting excessive speed... a fucking Micra? but I digress

    False advertising? The Micra would never make the speed limit, let alone over

  78. Ads are a security vulnerability by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    If your digital media has ads, it is doing something you are not directly in control of. Ads should be seen no differently than seeing people around you throw up - your computer is infected and should be investigated/cleaned. If children are being exposed to ads, that's a sign of parental neglect. Don't use proprietary software, you won't have this problem.

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  79. Bend a sapling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because a tree will not change.

  80. Re:Price of Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason this happens is because a large amount of the mobile minority have never used a computer. If a computer program has ads, the users rightly scream bloody murder and give well-deserved threats to the programmer, blast his name, and crack the program to remove ads. Because this is normal for the dirty mobile minority the entire industry is corrupt as fuck.

    Death to the mobile minority

  81. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Sorry, jew
    Wow, antisemitic much?

  82. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS

  83. Re:WTF is wong with you? by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

    Yay, Poison Pill Defence! It would be Hard to get rid of all of the dodgy people in line for succession for US President, the ones behind him are generally more dodgy in their goals and viewpoints, not as easy to get rid off because of their dodgy practices, like Trump is. I'd say keep working on that, but really focus on the November elections, if Trump can't get bills through the House and Senate, he's going to struggle.

  84. Re:Price of Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I doubt developers for GNU, Apache, Gnome, or QT care about making kiddo games for Linux

    "Rare" I agree. But I still remember the libre GCompris project https://gcompris.net/ which runs on GNU/Linux. The GooglePlay/Android version is paid, though.