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Microsoft is Testing Ads in Mail App For Windows 10 in Select Markets (betanews.com)
Mark Wilson writes: Ads in your inbox. Sounds like something you'd expect from the likes of Google or Yahoo, but Microsoft appears to be about to get in on the act as well. And we're not talking about online ads in your Outlook.com account -- we're talking about ads in the Mail app that's included with Windows 10. A new report says that Microsoft is currently testing ads with Windows Insiders, so it could be just a matter of time before they spread wider. In a support page, spotted first by news outlet Thurrott, Microsoft says, "Consistent with consumer email apps and services like Outlook.com, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail, advertising allows us to provide, support, and improve some of our products. We're always experimenting with new features and experiences. Currently, we have a pilot running in Brazil, Canada, Australia, and India to get user feedback on ads in Mail."
Update: ZDNet reports that Calendar app for Windows 10 is getting the same treatment.
Update: ZDNet reports that Calendar app for Windows 10 is getting the same treatment.
Fuck you.
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> feedback on ads in Mail
Fuck off, Microsoft.
It's unsafe, unnecessary.
Well, that's one way to get people to stop using the Mail app.
Not to use Microsoft Mail. Thanks for that! I was really worried about having to find a bad reason to not use it, but you gave me a good one.
When I read shit like this, it validates my choice to move to Linux that much more.
Currently running Ubuntu 18.04LTS and no regrets!
Screw you, Microsoft.
How about no, no thanks. Simply no reason not to use Windows 10 Mail.
Why I use MacOS.
Microsoft is Testing Ads in Mail App in Windows 10 ON SELECT MARKS
Big ol pack o' cunts.
Ads in your inbox. Sounds like something you'd expect from the likes of Google or Yahoo, but Microsoft appears to be about to get in on the act as well. And we're not talking about online ads in your Outlook.com account -- we're talking about ads in the Mail app that's included with Windows 10. A new report says that Microsoft is currently testing ads with Windows Insiders, so it could be just a matter of time before they spread wider.
I thought of Thunderbird, but the last time I checked, that thing sucked big time. There was talk of it dying too! Sad.
This is no surprise.
They already have adds on the start menu and Solitaire.
http://progressquest.com/spoltog.php?name=Son+Of+Son+Of+DarkRookie
Enough people use it to make it a viable advertisement platform?
Come on, is it April 1?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Look Microsoft you have been shipping a mail client (of a kind) with Windows since at least 3.11. Now maybe that was just a ploy to sell some NT Server and later Exchange licenses. All fine; whatever. Here is the thing though you are charging me for the OS. The license fee should pay for you to improve my experience.
The addition of advertising will certainly NOT improve my experience. Now I would argue that a mail client really is out side the scope of an OS anyway. If you don't want to support it or develop it; than just drop it entirely. Plenty of freeware mail clients out there you crappy one will be missed by exactly nobody.
Keep in mind though you are continuing to destroy the general value proposition of Windows. Apple seems to be able to deliver OSX with a suite of software that would be pretty adequate for most home users needs and give it away for free with (or pay for it by bundling it with) the hardware.
If you expect anyone past the current generation of midlevel IT managers who have just always bought MS; to pay premium prices for your Surface hardware well you better deliver a premium OS. The rest of us are NOT going to pay for your adware.
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why i refuse to use MS_Windows anymore
VIVA GNU/Linux
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
That was the only benefit of the mail app over using webmail. The UI isnt any better, the features arent any better, its not any more powerful, the ONLY reason to use the email app over webmail was because you didnt get ads.
Windows 10, Edge Browser, built-in mail app, spectre, meltdown, more hilarity to ensue shortly, or:
What could possibly go wrong?
Reboots more frequently. A real joke, that turd of an OS.
You realize that's a troll against APK, right?
Windows 1-0:
1 symbolizes a lingam.
0 symbolizes Microsoft users' raw orifices.
It's shorthand for "Windows crams crap down their users' raw holes."
... to fully migrate to Linux by the time Windows 7 passes EOL.
I've never been a fan of M$'s tactics over the years but this Windows 10 fiasco is just insane.
Fuck you M$, fuck you.
" to get user feedback on ads in Mail"
Lovin' it, Give me MORE!
riiiiight
I think that advertising has overstepped it's reasonable place in society. Have we no right to be left alone? How is it not disturbing the peace?
...whoever wants to pay for it. But selling it to advertisers...
...oh, I see what they did there.
I get it, this is an article about MS's mail app, and how they just took a shit in it. But my point is that they're doing so based on factual evidence that advertising is a source of revenue, and nothing more. Just sell your mail app to
Politics; n. : A religion whereby man is god.
If the OS will start showing us advertisements, does this mean they will stop charging for this POS? Not that I care; since 1999, I use Windows only at work.
COE
This is the type of person I envision working at Microsoft.
Why do we abhor the death of a single person by a terrorist attack, and put the killer away for live, but do not feel the same about people who deliberately, and repeatedly, abuse millions of people, reducing their cumulative lifespan by multiple human lifetimes due to stress?
Because that is Microsoft for you.
The mail app in Windows 10 is absolute shit... 10/10, if you're using that app you're still on AOL dial up and deserve to be inundated with ads.
Unless Windows is free, but they're talking about their paid versions. Then again they put ads on the Xbox, even when you pay for the console and pay to get online. They also put ads in screensavers and the start menu, and bundle unwanted promotional games and apps.
So I guess I would think of this from the likes of MS, in addition to Google and Amazon and Yahoo.
Windows 10 will automatically install gigabytes of software onto my machine without me knowing, approving, or having the choice of making it stop. This is unacceptable for a supposedly professional product that costed me 260 â. Also, it is me who is paying for the bandwidth required to download those unwanted applications and games, and for the disk space required for their installation. And I don't want to trust the developers of that software to have any kind of access to my computer or the data contained therein. It's incredible how greed trumps every other consideration in the behaviour of those multinational entities. If they can get away with something, they will do it; and as they grow in size, what they can get away with is more and more.
Right click PowerShell, click "Run as Administrator".
PS C:\Windows\System32> Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.windowscommunicationapps | Remove-AppxPackage
Mail and Calendar both gone. Enjoy.
I'm waiting for 18.04.2 to wipe a laptop (or install on the D: partition)
Why? 18.04 is known for a somewhat crappy kernel, and doesn't support some touchpads well so I'm waiting for 18.04.2 which is the one that gets the kernel and Xorg from 18.10.
Linux Mint 19.x with upgrade packages should do.
The details are there.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
Sadly Ubuntu decided to put a bunch of .svg files in there instead of 2KB .gif or .jpg, so when your browser doesn't render them you're fucked (and the download links don't work, unless they do on a browser that doesn't fail at or doesn't block the SVGs). Amazing.
Ubuntu why don't you fix this, or have a pdf download if your little graph really has to look perfect at 8000 pixel wide, thanks.
If I remember, the next kernel (4.18) and associated stuff comes in February? Pretty late, a Windows 10 infection has started coming.
So I have to try Ubuntu 18.10, then later wipe it and put 18.04.2 or Mint 19.1 instead.
It's beyond reprehensible that regular users would be required to learn the underpinnings of Windows and PowerShell to get rid of shit like this. Also, if you have the knowledge to do these sorts of hacks YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING WINDOWS 10. Get involved with a Linux distribution and help contribute to its use and replacement of this shit pile of an OS that has infected the world.
So, I should *not* use Microsoft Mail or Calendar. Got it...
I can't image in any test scenario that a significant portion of any testers have ever said.. "Yeah, I really like getting ads in XYZ."
I'd much rather they just skip the obvious pageantry and simply say "We're sticking ads in XYZ, deal with it." At least that'd be honest.
I think this should remove the calculator, so I'll have to fish the calc.exe from the hard drive of an old PC.
A bit scary too as "Settings", wifi networks browser and the notification shit (which hardly ever notifies me of anything) seem to run on UWP so I have to be sure it doesn't bork those (I would need to run a network cable through either the door or the window, or you'll have to teach me how to connect to wifi networks with powershell)
I checked the "App" selection and just saw there is a social media in there! LinkedIn.
I can run none of these by accident : I used Classic Shell (and had to use the Windows 95 look because everything else was ugly).
Can't install Linux yet because I have to buy a USB stick again
That is exactly what is needed. There are so many places for enhancements. Starting with login page.
Every user has to login. This empty space is wasted. Could be used for aromatic coffee adverts. Lunch approaching why not a gentle reminder for a delicious snack? You are getting the gist.
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Definitely, people will stop using Microsoft mail. There will be more damage to Microsoft's reputation.
Microsoft has always been badly managed in some ways, in my opinion. But now the management is FAR worse.
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James Kelly from Microsoft here. We wouldn't allow APK to work at Microsoft because APK is unauthorized tinkering. Only authorized apps from the Windows Store are allowed on Windows 10.
Use of unauthorized tinkering apps will result in Microsoft deleting your data on the next update.
Pay for an operating system with advertisements in the baked in apps that are hard to remove for the average user or switch to a free opensource operating system with open source applications that do the same thing.
Its clear that Microsoft is trying to maximize revenues, the truth is that the majority of computer users have Stockholm syndrome, whether it be from apple, microsoft, google or facebook, they have been beaten into submission and refuse to switch because new is scary and might be tough. this is why these ideas work and the MBA types that suggest them succeed, even if MS was to start charging a subscription for windows (which is more than likely for home users and already happens for enterprise users), they will still stuff it full of advertisements and get away with it because change is hard for people.
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Yet another reason to keep Win10 off every machine I own or otherwise control.
Hey, there, Microsoft: Fuck you hard, fuck you deep...fuck you with something that has jagged, rusty serrations on it.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
"advertising allows us to provide, support, and improve some of our products"
He seems extremely confused about the definition of the word "improve."
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
And, as a certifiably honest and reputable company, Microsoft will can the project if the majority of user feedback is negative. Clearly Microsoft was quite sure that they would receive a lot of positive feedback from people who love getting ads in their email when they embarked upon this project. Microsoft understands their customers very well. However, Microsoft will never publicly reveal the results of their customer feedback, because that is not what honest and reputable companies do.
my friend's windows 10 laptop's "apps" all quit working. they all got updated for this new wave of ads.
"this app can't open" (see the store's page). none of the purported 'fixes' that google finds actually fix it, except a complete wipe and reinstall.. but then, how long until the supposed locally installed 'apps' quit working again?
this is complete and total bullshit (the push to 'apps' vs actual real applications.. and the tracking and ads that go with it).
gonna steer him to ubuntu lts. he can pay me with a case of beer.
[Microsoft has] in my opinion, over the last couple of years, made strides in the right direction of friendship with the broader community of open source development ecosystem.
You have been successfully hoodwinked. Microsoft has no friends. Never has. Never will. If Microsoft does anything that benefits someone else, it's just to set a trap that will be sprung at the appropriate time.
get-appxpackage -allusers | remove-appxpackage
get-appxpackage | remove-appxpackage
get-appxprovisionedpackage -online | remove-appxprovisionedpackage -online
That will nuke all but Defender, Edge, and Cortana now
And you will need to do that every 6 months. Also, delete the contents of C:\Users\Default\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Shell
http://progressquest.com/spoltog.php?name=Son+Of+Son+Of+DarkRookie
Linux doesn't play games.....
http://progressquest.com/spoltog.php?name=Son+Of+Son+Of+DarkRookie
this appears to be as desperate as local broadcast stations selling advertising time to car title pawn companies
No really, most people I know use web based email, or already have a mail application of their choice. I have never seen anyone use the horror that is the Windows 10 email app. I only opened it up myself once because I heard how bad it was and wanted to see for myself.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Developer 1: "Omigod, our software's a buggy mess! What should we do?"
Developer 2: "I know! Let's add some commercial crap that nobody wants! That might work!"
Since when don't you have to use the command-line to do anything in Linux? The promise that GUI package managers can do everything is one of the most persistent lies in the open-source community.
You took the bait, suckers. Now enjoy the ride up to the surface.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
What did you do that your parents never trust you?
PowerSmell is *not* the "underpinnings" of Windows. PowerSmell is a stinking turd dreamt up by some weasel to allow interaction with COM objects and to destroy the power of any who use it to think like an adult. Come to think of it, everything that Microsoft does requires that one revert to juvenile thinking in order to be able to comprehend it.
Understanding Windoze or, for that matter, any Microsoft software is dead simple -- you just need a 12-year old who has not yet learned any logical thinking skills to 'splain it to you.
What did you do that your parents never trust you?
You don't have parents do you :)
Didn't work for me.
Windows 10 Home.
It's the devdiv that is open source friendly. (*Developer division" - think .Net, Visual Studio etc.) There's enough enterprises that pay full Visual Studio that they don't want to add adverts and crap over it.
The windev are yes, well, resistant to change (Windows Division) and these are the ones that are just... being stupid.
The office team are neutral on the OSS. They're basically saying it's fine an all, but it's not for us and are focussing on getting Office desktop apps working. (It does help they have a subscription model so nobody wants to suggest f'ing around adding adverts.)
Keep up the good work Microsoft. We don't need all that much in terms of total percentage of market share to fuel acceleration of your undoing.
Nice to see all the ongoing work on Linux DRM, new display servers and crazy shit wine is able to run these days.
With any luck in a few years Microsoft will be nothing more than an irrelevant VPS provider.
ZIP! Correct your evil ways. Serve APK and be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams.
Surely you realize that you are wrong? If we all but submit our wills to APK, we will all be protected. How can he be terrible at security when he promises such riches to us all?
And homophobic? Surely not. He loves all mankind. And womankind. Through his hosts file engine.
Accusations of lies from a liar or a moron, what a surprise. *All* my package management in Linux is done via the gui. Update manager for routine updates, Synaptic if I want more features.
Like the guy says, "Ads in your inbox. Sounds like something you'd expect from the likes of Google or Yahoo"
Somehow, if the ads are not showing on the browser and instead they are on a desktop application, then it's a big deal. What is wrong with you people?
When I open my Gmail box, there are advertisements showing at the top of the message list, with a subject and sender, to make them look like a normal email. I've been using Gmail for 10+ years, free of charge, so it's kind of shitty to complain.
Plenty of mobile apps do worse. They have the sort of irritating pop up ads that made adblock a necessity. They have silly excuses for games with 50 too-easy-to-be-playable game levels just to have more opportunities to display interstitial ads. The ads have minuscule "close buttons" in random places, made for hopefully getting clickthroughs by accident. That's OK as well, if the rest of the app is free(mium). Pretty bad after spending £600+ on a smartphone, heh?
But Microsoft? NOOO!
Microsoft gives the desktop email client for free, like they've done with Outlook Express and the 2012 Essentials email application, maybe with a free mail service like the one from Google or Yahoo et. al. and then they decide to push their ads, people lose their minds on Slashdot. Windows being a paid for OS does not mean that everything connected to Windows should be included in the price.
Get a grip.
... make for a very profitable prison infrastructure. Maybe tech evangelism was never a suitable substitute for an actual gospel that survives an inverse turing test, which seems to look like the dogfooding that implements programmatic integrity. Hmm.. too much dust in this case fan?
"Do not let your heart envy sinners, but live in the fear of the LORD always." Proverbs 23:17
This has already been confirmed as not going forward by the Communications VP at Microsoft:
https://twitter.com/fxshaw/sta...
We can all collectively stop freaking out about an App absolutely no-one here uses.
Given all of the problems with their own updates being very unreliable, now users have to worry that a rogue advert as part of the OS may infect the computer? I'll bet the ransomware writers are quite happy. Wonderful...
Well no shit they're experimenting with putting ads everywhere. There's no push-back. People aren't moving to alternatives in statistically significant numbers, Linux is still considered dead on the desktop (in terms of market share the point where proprietary vendors might actually give a shit).
People cry and cry and cry about Windows 10 but when given alternatives, OS X is either too expensive (due to requiring an entirely new machine) or Linux has too shitty a GUI depending on the distro used, or other software limitations. People love to whine... but they aren't prepared to actually fucking DO SOMETHING about it and leave their comfort zones.
And Microsoft knows this.
haven't used windows in a long time, but is it free these days (or is there a free edition)?
if not, they still show ads in bundled applications? wow...
you know just complaining won't help, just abandon the platform.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I've never impersonated you. Provide prove or apologize. I'm sick of your weak defamation of my good name. I've proven you wrong on the C++ issue 3 times now. You ignore my posts, so we're done here. I'm claiming victory on that, because you have nothing real to claim on your side. And all you can manage are fake posts because you're too cowardly to stand up with TRUTH and FACTS. Every single post I've done under my real name, YOU can't say the same. COWARDLY!
ZIP
cause a meltdown some day.
I can't express the evil that this along with forced spying.
Microsoft - you're losing. Fuck you