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Democrats Intend To Probe Ivanka Trump's Use of Personal Email In Next Congress (go.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Amid reports that first daughter and White House senior advisor Ivanka Trump exchanged hundreds of official government business emails using a personal email account, top Democrats on Capitol Hill "want to know if Ivanka complied with the law" and in the next Congress plan to continue their investigation of the Presidential Records Act and Federal Records Act. Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat who's in line to become the next chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee next year, promises any potential investigation into Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's emails won't be like the "spectacle" Republicans led in the Clinton email probe.

The Oversight committee has jurisdiction over records and transparency laws, and Cummings helped write an update to the Presidential and Federal Records Acts that was signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2014. That measure mandates that every federal employee, including the President, forward any message about official business sent using a private account to the employee's official email account within 20 days.
"We launched a bipartisan investigation last year into White House officials' use of private email accounts for official business, but the White House never gave us the information we requested," Cummings, D-Md., noted. "We need those documents to ensure that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and other officials are complying with federal records laws and there is a complete record of the activities of this Administration. My goal is to prevent this from happening again -- not to turn this into a spectacle the way Republicans went after Hillary Clinton. My main priority as Chairman will be to focus on the issues that impact Americans in their everyday lives."

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  1. Fair is fair by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    (nt)

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    1. Re:Fair is fair by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By that do you mean that it would be perfectly fair for Ivanka to argue "what, at this point, does it matter?" Or maybe that it would be fair of the FBI to recommend against charges (despite admitting that a crime was committed) like they did with Hillary?

      That would be fair.

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    2. Re:Fair is fair by nwaack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. She should take one for the team and say that she'll go to jail as long as Hilary goes first.

    3. Re:Fair is fair by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed - the only legitimate way to reconcile this is for both parties to admit to manipulating the system for their own gain, and to the detriment of the American People.

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    4. Re:Fair is fair by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think either is a big deal, but as for the FBI each situation may be different so they should investigate both. They didn't find an issue with Clinton's use, but that doesn't mean the Ivanka scenario is the same.

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    5. Re:Fair is fair by meglon · · Score: 5, Informative

      She'll only be able to offer those up after 2 years and 4 months of investigations into EVERYTHING that anyone suggests, including all of her business dealings with China, and how her trademarks got approved days after the China's government got beneficial treatment from her father.

      There were 8 investigations COMPLETED prior to the house investigation, and none of them found any wrongdoing. The house investigation was 2 years and 4 months; it was longer than the congressional probes into 9/11, Watergate, the JFK assassination and Pearl Harbor. During Bush Jr's terms, there were 39 attacks or attempted attacks on embassies or staff, with 87 deaths. The cumulative amount of time spent on congressional investigations of these 39 attacks: 0 mins.

      On Fox news (Sept 29, 2015), Kevin McCarthy (Republican) stated: “Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today?”

      The house Benghazi investigation was never anything more than the GOP abusing their offices to damage Hillary in the upcoming presidential race because they knew she was running. Anyone who's not a complete fucking idiot could see that, but sadly, we have a lot of complete fucking idiots in this country.

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    6. Re:Fair is fair by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful
      As long as the FBI follows the same procedure as with Hillary:
      1. An exoneration letter is drafted in advance.
      2. Immunity is given to top Trump aides (and they're allowed to sit in on the interview).
      3. The interview isn't recorded.
      4. The lead official doesn't attend.
      5. The #2 official's family has received large donations from Trump's political friends.
      6. Prior to the interview, the lead official meets privately on plane tarmac with Trump's wife (to discuss grandchildren).
      7. Main interviewer has expressed disdain for Trump's opponents, such as discussing an "insurance plan" with higher-ups to undermine them. If the same terms aren't offered...Was Clinton's interview process unfair?
      8. As long as they believe Ivanka didn't intend any harm, she's let off the hook for any violations.
      9. If Ivanka becomes a target, it should be referred to as a "matter" not an investigation.
      10. Trump aides should be permitted to destroy subpoenaed or relevant public records and wipe relevant servers with a cloth or something.
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  2. ORANGE MAN BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it at least 1/3rd of the stories on this site are basically just ORANGE MAN BAD. It's fucking exhausting.

    1. Re:ORANGE MAN BAD by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So your solution is "Stop reminding me that the orange man is bad!" rather than "Can't the orange man STOP being bad?"

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    2. Re:ORANGE MAN BAD by shilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the orange man keeps on doing so much bad stuff. The floods of bad stuff are so gigantic that Slashdot barely covers any of it, and yet it still dominates the feed.

    3. Re: ORANGE MAN BAD by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do you believe that? Objectively why?

      Well, let's start out with the most recent: Just a few hours ago, Donald Trump voiced his full & unwavering support for a Saudi leader who had a legal United States resident murdered, cut into pieces and his bones dissolved in acid. And this is a day after the story broke that his administration tried to help the Saudi leader cover up the murder and gave him advice on how to deflect the blame onto someone else. I'm pretty sure that on the morality scale, that falls somewhere South of "good"

      We can work backwards from there, but it might take a while because it's a very long list.

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    4. Re: ORANGE MAN BAD by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Trump is standing with one of our key allies in the Middle East, one of the few nations willing to stand with us in the War on Terror.

      The men who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks were Saudi.

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    5. Re: ORANGE MAN BAD by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ex-Saudi, you mean.

      No True Saudi.

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  3. Was anything classified? by Sniper98G · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone keeps comparing this to what Hillary did. Not sure why.

    She was using a non-government account for government business. Hillary set us her own email sever in an unoccupied house and transferred classified information on to it.

    These things are not comparable.

    1. Re: Was anything classified? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The e-mails in question were sent before Ivanka was a Federal employee; she literally had NO legal access to a Government e-mail account at the time.

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  4. Re:Before everyone goes crazy again... by DaHat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Usually, any criminal statutes require knowledge and intent of the crime being committed.

    Usually... yes, however the statutes Hillary violated has no mens rea requirement: https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

    So nice of you to try to move the goal posts.

    What's next? Screams of "but they weren't classified at the time"?

  5. Re:Before everyone goes crazy again... by arbiter1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Leaving any classified info in any unsecured location is instant violation, there is No Gray area in the law. I remember someone was interviewed about classified info. He said if he left a classified document on his desk in his off at say the pentagon and left the room. Didn't lock it up in his office safe, that would be grounds for his clearance to be revoked no if's and's or buts. There was a guy took pictures inside a sub which was listed as confidential, the lowest level of classification so he could show his kids/grand kids what he did. He got a YEAR in prison for that and they were easy on him. Clinton sent and received hundreds classified documents through her server and she can't claim ignorance to it as she knew she would be sent that kinda material as head of state department.

  6. Release her pop's tax returns first by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and go after him for violations of the emoluments clause. Then we can worry about little things like this. I don't want political theater designed to keep Clinton Democrats busy, I want the rule of law restored.

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    1. Re:Release her pop's tax returns first by meglon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet the judges seem to think that the lawsuits against him have enough merit to continue. And when he goes through deposition, his tax returns will come out. Anyone with a clue can see what's going on, which begs the question... why are you such a fucking clueless idiot?

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    2. Re:Release her pop's tax returns first by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are several clauses relating to emoluments.

      There are three. Two of them apply to the president, one barring him from receiving foreign emoluments, one barring him from receiving anything other than his salary from the federal government or the states. Regardless, Trump is in violation of none of them.

      Federal District Judge Peter Messitte thinks there might be.

      Further, even if a sitting President is found to be in violation, Congress will just grant an exception.

      That seems much less likely than it did 15 days ago.

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  7. Get it over with by Koby77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just charge both Hillary and Ivanka now with violating Espionage Act and be done with it already. Let the chips fall where they may.

  8. Re:Before everyone goes crazy again... by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might want to take your refresher briefings, then.

    The things you describe usually fall into a lot of nice labels like "violations", "infractions", "procedural errors", and the like, but they very rarely end up as "felonies", because the applicable statute is one that includes that high bar of intent, by stipulating that the perpetrator must "knowingly" commit the act.

    Indeed, that "felony" label is typically only reserved for someone who's about to be indicted for a lot of other related crimes, and for good reason: The security community has worked hard over the last hundred years or so to develop a culture of forgiving loyalty. Honest mistakes are usually forgiven, and written off with a minor warning, removal of access, or removal of clearance, but usually no attempt to pursue criminal charges or other long-lasting ramifications. The system intentionally errs on the side of caution, preferring to let even the most egregious violations pass rather than risk prosecuting an innocent mistake and creating a potential traitor. In doing so, there's a much greater chance that someone will come forward and report violations, rather than hide in fear that they might be held liable.

    I spent a good number of years working in the defense industry, and I've seen plenty (probably a 3-digit number) of "spills", "slips", and "mistakes". I've only seen one person actually be accused of having that criminal level of intent, though... and that was mostly due to him leaving the country immediately after committing several violations. If he ever comes back, I'm sure there will be plenty of interesting discussions including that "felony" label.

    Justice is a funny thing, in that the reality usually matters less than the perception. In matters that are necessarily kept secret, there will seldom be satisfaction that justice was actually served. Justice is only assured when there is faith that the judicial process is always applied consistently. That's precisely why I think Mrs. Trump's server should also be subject to a full investigation, with all the same review, and the same fussing over the implications of whatever dozen problems are actually found. I'd expect the same process if a Pentagon official were found to run his own email server, too, or even a lowly base commander in the field. Like it or not, a precedent has been set, and it must now be applied evenly.

    That said, I'd also prefer to do without the media circus that surrounded the Clinton investigation. This is now routine. A personal email server was found that might hold sensitive or classified information, so we go through the process. It's not newsworthy, it's not political, and it's not something that should skew public perception. Fix the problems, give a good stern warning to whatever moron approved the idea, and let's get on with running the country, shall we?

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