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NASA's InSight Successfully Lands on Mars (theverge.com)
NASA's latest Mars lander, InSight, successfully touched down on the surface of the Red Planet moments ago, surviving an intense plunge through the Martian atmosphere. From a report: It marks the eighth picture-perfect landing on Mars for NASA, adding to the space agency's impressive track record of putting spacecraft on the planet. And now, InSight's two-year mission has begun, one that entails listening for Marsquakes to learn about the world's interior. After six and a half months of traveling through space, InSight hit the top of Mars' atmosphere a little before 3PM ET. It then made a daring descent to the surface, performing a complex multi-step routine that slowed the lander from more than 12,000 miles per hour to just 5 miles per hour before it hit the ground. To get to the surface safely, InSight had to autonomously deploy a supersonic parachute, gather radar measurements, and ignite its thrusters all at the right time. Altogether, the landing took just under seven minutes to complete, prompting the nickname "seven minutes of terror." "InSight's view is a flat, smooth expanse called Elysium Planitia, but its workspace is below the surface, where it will study Mars' deep interior," Nasa posted Monday, sharing the first photo after the landing.
Could we please be a little more scientific here? We call earthquakes earthquakes. For some reason, earthquakes on Mars are now called Marsquakes? If you have to make up a word and make it a proper noun for a really fundamental effect on a science and technology news website, something is seriously wrong.
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Hijacking that inane comment to ask another, likely inane question.
Would it be unreasonable to assume that they have been placing sensors on these spacecraft to register the various radiation levels experienced during the trip to Mars. This seems like it would be invaluable empirical data of what those anxious to get there in person will face on the trip.
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"The serpent deceived(NAH-SA) me, and I did eat."
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
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Didn't THE scientific mind of our times, Bill Nye, just last week pontificate that Mars exploration is pointless?
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Westfield Massachusetts was great. I got there just after going to Mercedes-Benz of Dothan. I went there with close to two thousand dollars cash. I was told the cars and other items on the lot were for people more nice than I am but not in those exact words. In a Japanese moment of understanding I considered that sales pitch to be most righteous and good kharma. Consolation prize was some snacks which were not bad. I know I went there with some cash to get one but being good through the whole thing and being sent home with some crackers made me upset. Some people asked me the reason for going there. I told them it seemed like a good idea. The building looked real good. When I got to Westfield it was real good. That was not far after I left Dothan. Without a Mercedes-Benz. Some consider almost two thousand dollars a large amount. I suppose it depends on influences. The experience was good. At the time I wanted to be at that dealership rather than somewhere else. I was at Dunkin Donuts in Westfield Massachusetts for a few weeks. The food was good. I went to Dunkin Donuts. As a Wells Fargo customer it was not a huge deal to be back in Westfield as I thought it would be. There was a Wells Fargo in Meriden Connecticut. People were good to me there. I got some food and other things from people. I need to talk about it because it was something to remember. Dunkin Donuts building in Westfield seemed as good as the Mercedes-Benz building. BNSF should sell calendars. Joseph Wechter
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
U EVEN HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& then realizing it you quit trying to make me look bad via what you thought were lies on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... on speculative execution attack: Hosts PREVENT 'EM, joke's on you)
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I'd say this has to be one of the most important missions in years in terms of space research.
This will open the doors to future Mars missions by showing the internal geometry of the planet, potentially leading to liquid water, caves for future colonies and underground chemistry.
Equally the Risk Assessment of space impacts to know for sure just how frequent they are.
But as a bonus, also a test of deep-launch cubesats, which can be used to help massively improve the Deep Space Network as well as do experiments around lesser bodies like asteroids since they are so disposable with their cheap(er) development prices.
I can only hope it doesn't go awry. It'll be crushing. Probably worse so than the Beagle2 failure.
Now that InSight is on Mars it would be great if it cold send us signs of intelligent life.
They are called earthquakes (little e) because earth = ground/land, not because they occur on Earth. Mars would still have earthquakes, not Marsquakes.
If you're going to pretend someone said something, quote or paraphrase accurately or STFU. He said ongoing buzz-talk of colonizing it anytime soon is pointless for several reasons - Your dishonest preposition nonwithstanding.
There's nothing on Mars that requires human beings in the flesh to discover. We're landing robots because it makes sense. Bill Nye isn't against that, he's against morons pushing ridiculous bullshit like you just tried.
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I'd never "cry victim" to ne'er-do-wells (TROLLS, not all /.ers) either.
U EVEN HELPED ME https://science.slashdot.org/c... (& then realizing it you quit trying to make me look bad via what you thought were lies on hosts as "ME" IN YOUR IMPERSONATIONS of me e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... on speculative execution attack: Hosts PREVENT 'EM, joke's on you)
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I am glad the NASA commentators were not constantly talking during the 7 minute landing sequence. This is how you build suspense. By not talking and letting the time flow and the suspense build. Hollywood could learn a lot by watching this NASA landing event.
Well done.
That's a hell of a thing to say! It's a desolate frozen rock!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Whose gel-sacs will be ruptured this time?
That is a huge accomplishment to be able to do that. Good job by NASA!
Cordero's not over an hour away so I takes a drive up the bypass farther than any fool would care to and I ain't seen squat for no lander. Liars!
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HOWEVER: I won't "lay down" to losers attacking me 1st. I defend myself w/ facts they can't beat.
& NO WAY I'd "cry" like you "playing victim ne'er-do-wells" on /. (TROLL /.ers, not all) OR post on hosts offtopic.
I've got a "psycho fanclub" IMPERSONATING me & spamming + lying about MY work STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts!
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NASA seems to have got Mars landings down nearly pat. Although the article didn't exactly say, it seemed like this descent was similar to other recent landers, will have to look for exact details...
Also really cool to have two CubeSats orbiting Mars now as well.
Still not out of the woods yet, the craft has to deploy solar panels - hope that works out! Great work NASA!
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Geology - the study of inner structure of Earth. "Geo" from "Gaia".
Areology - the study of the inner structure of Mars. "Are" from "Ares".
Hesperology - the study of the inner structure of Venus. "Hesper" from "Hesperus"...
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The new owners - hey, get them to do their job - this used to be a tech site, not a spammers' playground.
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Would it be unreasonable to assume that they have been placing sensors on these spacecraft to register the various radiation levels experienced during the trip to Mars. This seems like it would be invaluable empirical data of what those anxious to get there in person will face on the trip.
This probe didn't have sensors, but that data is pretty well known. The radiation environment in deep space was measured throughout the Apollo years through Pioneers 6/7/8 were placed into Solar orbit to measure the radiation environment. Additionally, most of the deep space probes (Voyager 1/2, Pioneer 10/11, all had particle/plasma detectors on them to detect the radiation environment. So yes, there's pretty darned good data on the radiation environment of deep space.
And, more specifically, the Curiosity rover had a radiation detector specifically designed to characterize the surface radiation levels: https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/miss...
which is complementary to the Mars Odyssey orbiter, which characterized the radiation above the atmosphere: https://mars.nasa.gov/odyssey/...
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Earlier this afternoon the The Council of Elders announced in triumph that they have once again detected and deflected the efforts of the blue world to land upon our soil.
K'Nord, Speaker for the Council of Elders, told reporters in a lengthy and jovial press conference
Shortly thereafter, a junior analyst in the room was overheard suggesting that the vessel was in fact designed to be stationary, and that it furthermore contained a drilling device designed to penetrate deeply into the planetary soil. Quickly reiterating the victory at hand, K'nord then had the analyst's gelsacs extracted and pulpified, to be used as a cleaning solution for the Council members' glasses.
Didn't THE scientific mind of our times, Bill Nye, just last week pontificate that Mars exploration is pointless?
No, he didn't.
He did pontificate against human colonization and terraforming of Mars. (He didn't exactly say he was "against" it: was he said was that he thought it would never happen). But he said he was in favor of human exploration of Mars.
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I value Mars exploration. We both get a vote. I vote for more space exploration.
Yep, I'm with you.
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I don't bet against NASA anymore. After Curiosity used the "Sky Crane" to land on Mars I had to sing the Star-Spangled Banner naked on the roof of an office building in Ohio. Which meant that it was just another day in Ohio, but I was certain that that thing was going to be a smoking hole in Mars...
I am not interested in articles about life extension advancements.
Either they're caught in a shitstorm or they were attacked by a swarm of Martian bees.
American "naked", aka "wearing underwear" or even "showing more than your ankles, hands and head".
Or actually naked?
Congratulations, NASA, for successfully landing an $850 million USD cordless drill on another planet.
Oh well! Slightly less cool then, but still an interesting idea.
It looks like they won't last longer than a few weeks, after that just orbiting as you said in an elliptical orbit - it would be nice if they had planned that to just exit the solar system or hit the sun, you can't start worrying about deep space debris too early!
They do have tiny engines it appears, but just enough for small adjustments. Interesting the reason they have two was just for redundancy but it seemed both worked.
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From the desk of his Imperiousness Qwerrfygrum:
"Once again, the watery inhabitants of the Third Planet have assaulted our Beloved Homeland.
25 Years ago, their attacks began, first with a suicidal crash, second with a landing that our Illustrious General Grogooglebarg (may his essences swim forever) disabled only moments after touchdown.
We have managed over these years to maintain a strong success rate, with more than half their attacks being diverted, disabled, or destroyed before tainting our Red Fundament.
Recently, some of their attack craft have landed and continued to roam. Those responsible for disabling these craft have been sequentially sacked until we've found the right Tentacle for the job! I believe I can say with confidence they have all been terminated finally.
Unfortunately, however, the grim news of another lander cannot be refuted.
The only way this could possibly get worse would be if this new attack craft actually drilled into Mother Mars, violating her sacred surface.
STAY BRAVE, MARTIANS! We will triumph!"
-Styopa
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/26...
Spoken well, just like King John would have said it: Who dares challenge the Divine Right of Kings?! Why should we waste time parlaying about lands that are not our own, concerning ourselves with matters not English? Can we not weave? Do we not sow? Doth the woods and fields not provide?
Surely God in His wisdom has provisioned us with all the necessities of Life in the Realm! Do not suffer Pride and look beyond your station! Be grateful and keep to your Hearth and Home!
That sky-crane was crazy. It's hard to believe there were not simpler alternatives. It was done in part to test technology to be used for more accurate landings so that rovers don't have to waste time and wear getting to the best targets. In the future, a hover-craft may take the rover/probe to the prime spot and then lower it down via a sky-crane.
The traditional (Viking-esque) way has an error radius of roughly 20 miles.
For InSight they opted for the old-fashioned way because accuracy wasn't an issue for this mission, being it's for general exploration of the sub-surface.
Table-ized A.I.
Yeah, like Musk could do anything like this. Give me a break. He can dig tunnels and put rockets into LEO.
more interesting to land on, other than Mars. Some of the moons of Jupiter, for example. I guess that's just too hard right now...
The problem with reaching the Jovian moons is that they lack atmosphere for aero-braking, which means you need to send not just a small probe, but a big rocket to stop it. A much better candidate for landing is Titan, the big moon of Saturn. Such a mission has already been done, launched 21 years ago, and landed in 2005:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
How soon we forget. And let's not also forget the Russian landings on Venus has some success.
In the Andromeda Strain, Crichton begins by explaining the certainty of widespread life across our solar system as proved by microscopic proof of life in asteroids that have hit the Earth.
The first life searching probe that landed on mars and used chemical means proved conclusively that Mars has microscopic life.
But Earth is ruled by or-ganised re-ligion. The power of the major religions, especially in the USA and Rus-sia cannot be overstated. These all powerful bodies have not decided what the impact of widespread acceptance of extra-terrestrial life would have on their control ma-trix, so they take the coward's way, and supress all scientific discoveries in the 'wrong' direction.
A ton of church paid propaganda pooh-poohed the asteroid and chemical analysis evidence. Loads of scientists are also members of churches- and many al-pha scientists think the church is essential for pacifying and controlling the "lesser"- so do its bidding even when they know the message is a lie, "for the greater good".
Today this means NO MICROSCOPES ON MARS. Dribblers, like the common visitor here, do not know the impact Hooke's invention had on biological sciences at the time. While the church easily has its paid liars characterise the fossils of microscopic life in asteroids as "inorganic residue", it just cannot deny visual evidence of life on Mars. So the obvious answer is to ensure the religiously controlled societies of Russ-ia and the USA never send microscopes to mars.
Now we'll get the usual tr-ools claiming the MACRO LENSES designed to look more closely at rocks for geological reasons are 'microscopes'- I've seen this lie repeated many times in the past. But obviously the level of maginification needed to see single cell or bacterialogical life is at a much greater level.
Different tro-lls try the "microscopes are a waste of time" lie. They use the argument "you'd nevber know if what was observed came from Mars or contamination from the probe during its time on Earth.
These excuses are same lame and transparent, you'd think only a very poor Gamma would fall for them. But the betas here swallow them up as intended everytime. Indeed Bet-as, far more than Gamm-as, are trained to swallow stat-ist lies from their ealiest years- just as Orwell described in 1984.
Alphas who cared to notice have accepted the proof of simple forms of extraterrestrial life across the solar system since maybe the late 1950s, and by implication the fact that life on Earth more than likely was seeded by pre-existing life. That Mars and/or the remains of the planet we now know as the 'asteroid belt' may have been part of the same ecosystem.
But alph-as do not believe in any organised religion, tho they may exploit or support the work of organised religions to control those they think are inferior and need controlling. So many evil aphas see no harm in having the knowledge of the widespead nature of simple life in our solar system kept from the ple-bs.
Then there is another issue. Allow proof of life on Mars, and then contend with the pressure to bring back samples to earth for DNA analysis. The issue being the fear many have of allowing this 'alien' contaminate to threaten the biological 'safety' of Earth. There are many dim bulbs at NASA who argue "allow the truth of life on Mars to be revealed, and then, whether you like it or not, someone will bring that life back here and threaten all of us with the uncertain impact of alien bugs".
Or-ganised re-ligions love the Status Quo, for it is always a construct they have worked tirelessly to create. And the leaders of or-ganised re-ligions, understanding the pack of lies their entities rely on, feel the ground is always on the verge of crumbling beneath their feet. Any fundamental change in Human Understanding could finally open the eyes of the shee-ple- lead to a widespread rejection of the evil nonsense that is organised religion.
Sadly their paranoia is unfounded. The shee-ple won't blink if microscopic life on Mars is utterly proven. But the paranoia still drives Russ-ian and American space policy. And therefore there will be no microscopes no Mars.
Fox put the entire thing live on youtube well before CNN. You can
still watch.
6.5 trillion spent on middle east wars since 911.
While even 10% of that would be enough for a Mars colony, it IS NOT A WASTE.
The stupid fucking wars are a waste of time.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
That's sort of correct, but the beauty of the Jovian moons is that they revolve around a planet that does have an atmosphere. So in principle they can use Jupiter's atmosphere to slow down to a speed that allows for slower passes around the moons (a la Galileo probe). I would think they'd be able to figure out how to get matched into a moon orbit so they can approach at a slow speed and only have to spend fuel to fight the moons gravity.
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That's sort of correct, but the beauty of the Jovian moons is that they revolve around a planet that does have an atmosphere. So in principle they can use Jupiter's atmosphere to slow down to a speed that allows for slower passes around the moons (a la Galileo probe). I would think they'd be able to figure out how to get matched into a moon orbit so they can approach at a slow speed and only have to spend fuel to fight the moons gravity.
Jupiter's atmosphere is not as helpful as you might think. It will put you into a transfer orbit for a fly-by, but actually getting into a low orbit around those moons would require a huge rocket burn.
Its not the "moons gravity" that is the problem, but their velocity. Rocketry is all about the delta-V.
I'm no orbital mechanic, so I rely on reading the charts such as this one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/space...
You can see that even with aero-braking (on sections marked with red arrows), it is still far easier to land on Titan than the Jovian moons.
But don't take my word. NASA has so far landed only on Titan in the outer solar system.
Note also that it is way easier to escape the solar system, than to approach the sun, as the Parker Solar Probe is doing.
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Yeah Right.....
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atmospheres, such as Ganymede, Europa, and Callisto.
No. Near enough to vacuum. Mars atmosphere may be less than 1% of earth, but it is pea soup compared to those moons.
> The surface pressure of Europa's atmosphere is 0.1 Pa, or 10^12 times that of the Earth.[9]
Alright, but I don't see why having an atmosphere is a prerequisite for landing something on a planet. We landed people on the moon after all... in the 1960's! We even landed a probe on an asteroid.
Obviously not a necessity, but aero-braking makes the delta-V budget a lot easier. See the chart.
It actually takes a much bigger rocket to get a given payload to the lunar surface than to Mars, using aerobraking.
atmospheres, such as Ganymede, Europa, and Callisto.
No. Near enough to vacuum. Mars atmosphere may be less than 1% of earth, but it is pea soup compared to those moons.
> The surface pressure of Europa's atmosphere is 0.1 Pa, or 10^12 times that of the Earth.[9]
A Pascal is 100th of a millibar or 100,000th of earth atmospheric pressure. So 0.1 Pa is a 1,000,00th of earth pressure, or 10^-6, not 10^-12.
People will call me a hater or naysayer, but so what? They landed, for what is in all intensive purposes, our space junk on another planet. It is a great technological achievement no doubt. But why the hype? Mars is a dead planet. Humanity is not going to colonize space. We just can't work together.
Billions of people starve on this planet, and the USA is landing probes on Mars. lol k. What a load of crap and waste of money.
The surface pressure of Europa's atmosphere is 0.1 Pa, or 10^12 times that of the Earth.[9]
So 0.1 Pa is a 1,000,00th of earth pressure, or 10^-6, not 10^-12.
Slashdot swallowed the "mu" from 0.1 micro-pascals in my cut & paste. Sorry. Unicode .
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