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Large Genetic Study Finds First Genes Connected With ADHD (arstechnica.com)

A paper published in Nature Genetics this week looked at genetic data from more than 50,000 people, finding 12 different regions of DNA that seemed to play a role in increasing ADHD risk. Ars Technica reports: This evidence comes from a genome-wide association study, or GWAS: a close look at how the DNA of people with ADHD differs from those without. Geneticist Ditte Demontis and her colleagues used data from more than 20,000 people with ADHD, comparing them to a control group of 35,000 people without an ADHD diagnosis. They found 304 points where tiny differences in DNA -- like single letter swaps -- were distributed across their two groups in a statistically telling way. If any of those variants were very close together, the researchers counted them as representing the same stretch of DNA, grouping them together into 12 important regions.

There were correlations between the genetic risk for ADHD and a range of other conditions, including depression and anorexia. That ties in with the idea that genetic variation might be important in a way that plays out system-wide. Some of the genes they identified are also known to be involved in other neurological conditions, including speech and learning disabilities, depression, and schizophrenia.

117 comments

  1. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    They had Trump's DNA on file.

    1. Re:Makes sense by jblues · · Score: 3, Funny

      Doh, I was going to make the first post, mentioning this, however I got distracted.

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    2. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know how they do this. They open a petri drawer and take out a chain of frozen mitochondria on a cloth. Then they remove the cloth and they test it by shooting photons into it from various distances and various angles. Then they dispose of the mitochondria

    3. Re:Makes sense by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Ah, so that explains why Stormy did it. It was for science!

    4. Re: Makes sense by beckett · · Score: 1

      Lets ride bikes!

    5. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orange Man Bad!

    6. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go girl

    7. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony of paid posters calling others NPCs.
      I should call you guys "Cast Extras"

  2. Look on the brighter side of life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get to do speed, legal.

    1. Re:Look on the brighter side of life by Shaitan · · Score: 1

      You also get to think faster, act faster, and generally outperform the muggles who are deluded into thinking the next evolution of humanity is a disease.

    2. Re:Look on the brighter side of life by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      God Bless you sir THIS !!

      Mod UP !!

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    3. Re:Look on the brighter side of life by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You also get to think faster, act faster, and generally outperform the muggles who are deluded into thinking the next evolution of humanity is a disease.

      "I drive better when I'm a little buzzed."

      "I take weed and acid to open my mind. I'm much more lucid and effective when I'm high."

      And the real world sees you spazzing about, wrecking shit.

  3. Re:Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abhorrent behavior, you mean the Trump gene. It's associated with lying and retardation. Get tested today.

  4. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You only call it a gay gene if he dont like you. You also call it an ADHD gene if he dont pay attention to you. Maybe he just has a reason

  5. Scientific breakthrough is fine and good.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But has anyone asked how Trump's massive GUT feels about the science?

  6. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You already failed it faggot

  7. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry I cant keep up. What?

  8. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homo gene found ^

  9. Re:Latest QDrop from QAnon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    QAnon = gay Republican meetup code. You fell for it and are now a cocksucker for life. Too bad.

  10. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your jeans and cowboy boots do make you look gay AF, yes.

  11. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, I know. I'm not a Trumptard. I've never had Putin holding my balls for me like you Dickless Donnies.

  12. Please leave these alone by Felix+Da+Rat · · Score: 2

    If humanity is to have any hope, it's going to come from the ADHD side of things. Cure all the diseases you want to, but please for the love of god, allow the natural flowering of creativity.

    Don't allow us to make drones and brainiacs - that will snuff out the species faster than any other eugenics program could.

    1. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, humanity has little hope if any, ADHD's and autists and other Republicans are all going to fry with the rest of us so get comfy.

    2. Re:Please leave these alone by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, means your environment has a activity deficit resulting in a disorder, it is all in the way you put it. So boring environments play havoc with the moods of some people and variabilities like socio-economic upbringing and diet and exposure to environmental pollutants (sound, radiation, visual, smells as well as consumed toxins), will all impact the condition and alleviate it or make it worse.

      Probably it would help if those who were genetically poorly set up to handle the current version of human society, were given more support and guidance earlier but capitalism demands the children pay the price for their loser parents, shit parents, well suck it the fuck up, the rest of society does not give one shit, unless it becomes life threatening, living poorly is you fault child, get a job or actually just fucking suffer is the answer, if you are dying or about to die then you can ask society for help as a child but up until that time, poor outcomes are just your lot.

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    3. Re:Please leave these alone by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      I agree that there is probably a correlation between ADHD, creativity, and high intelligence.

      If we were to somehow remove the genetic tendencies and risk factors for ADHD from the gene pool, I bet we would lose more than half of our geniuses, more than that from the arts.

    4. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That might be the case, but I'm not completely convinced. (Going AC because this shit is too personal).

      It's a vague diagnosis to begin with and it almost seems like today some wear it like a badge of honor and think they're somehow smarter than everyone else. Or at least they think maybe the drugs they get make them better students.

      I was diagnosed as "hyperactive" back in the '70s largely due to pressure on my resistant parents from a private school principal. Yes, a doctor did the actual diagnosing, but my parents thought I got into trouble sometimes because I was a bad kid. I never heard the terms ADHD or ADD until years later.

      My parents didn't like me being on Ritalin so after a year or two they switched to the Feingold Diet which seems like complete junk science to me now that I look at it as an adult.

      I can't remember if either had any effect on me at all other than it being a pain in the ass to take pills at first and then later to have to explain to my friends that I wasn't allowed to have a whole bunch of different kinds of foods including a goddamned chocolate bar (with few exceptions. Mounds was okay, but just about anything else was off limits.)

      By middle school we abandoned all that shit and I did reasonably well academically all the way through college when I graduated and became a regular part of the workforce.

      I know I'm intelligent (and fairly creative) and it's easy to accept the idea that I'm the smartest person in the room* so why should I try hard? That really did me in during Differential Equations in college. The first few weeks were so easy I started doing crosswords in class and blowing off homework until midterms when I suddenly realized I had a lot of catching up to do.

      And while I'm intelligent and have been reasonably successful in life, I've never done anything great or even noteworthy.

      I'm not sure if I really had ADHD back then or if I still suffer from it today. I know that sometimes I can concentrate for hours on something like software development, but at other times I find myself reading or watching a movie and suddenly realize that while my eyes may have been processing what's on a printed page or a screen, I have no idea what the hell is going on because my mind had wandered off somewhere in the complete opposite direction.

      But that doesn't happen all the time. Maybe it's just that I had things on my mind and that's completely normal.

      And if I do have ADD how is that related to my abuse of alcohol, if at all? Where does my social anxiety fit in? Maybe I'm mildly autistic?

      * - just a footnote. A lot of times I've been pretty sure I was one of the smartest in the room if not the smartest. I actually think I do better and am more comfortable when I know for a fact that I'm not the smartest person in the room or at least feel like I'm among people of similar levels of intelligence.

    5. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The diagnosis is not really vague. There are specifics.
      If you don't really meet them strongly, you probably don't have it.
      I have a son with it and we knew even when he was a baby that he was different. Turns out he matches the textbook symptoms and it is only with medicine that he can cope with his disability, i.e, participate successfully in society, and he has only a moderate case. None of his other brothers have ADHD.

    6. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the rooms you frequent more than anything, just... saying..

    7. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes there is a correlation. Growing up all the ADHD kids at school were redneck morons with fetal alcohol syndrome living in 30 year old rusted out single-wides and three pit bulls. Their family tree looked like a telephone pole.

      The ritalin they took was merely training wheels for meth, and by the age of 22 or so they all were pock marked dazed meth heads. Sometimes I see them in the mugshot section of the local newspaper "police blotter" section.

      Never met a an ADHD with brains. Lots of ADHD meth heads though.

    8. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get some mental help

    9. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was my experience too. I was such an obvious ADHD case in retrospect, and I got diagnosed in adulthood. But I was the top of my class starting around the time we first got letter grades. In those days, you wouldn't dare suggest the smart kid had ADD. It was all morons taking the speed.

    10. Re:Please leave these alone by mikael · · Score: 1

      That's very true. I went to a state school with some ADHD kids who had been transferred in from other parts of the country? What triggered them? Boring lessons. History teacher who would make the class spend the entire hour just copying down notes from the blackboard. No discussion, just copy, copy, copy, then go to the next class. If you were lucky you managed to copy everything. If not, too bad. Language lessons would have everyone just stare at an overhead projector screen with pictures of things and their foreign language equivalent. And we'd go through these one after the other.

      Science teachers had a better way. You got laminated work cards that told you exactly what to do. Copy this paragraph, do this experiment, take these measurements, what conclusions can you make? If you didn't get all the work done in time, you took it home with you.

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    11. Re:Please leave these alone by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      That sounds worse than nuns breaking rulers over your fingers...

    12. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you're laboring under a pop culture definition of what ADHD is. It's not some romantic condition where the patient is only a few pages from completing their Great American Novel(tm) and only needs the the love and understanding of the right partner to help them finish it.

      It's a condition where some days the patient can't get dressed because they keep getting distracted by the sound of the wind, or a cat, or the way the paper comes off a toilet paper roll, or a strange crease on the palm of their hand.

      It's a condition where you start 100 projects and never finish any of them.

      It's not about creativity. At all. Creativity is something completely different.

      It makes functioning in your daily life life a thousand times more difficult than if should be. And if there is a chance that research could result in better medication or even a cure, then it needs to be pursued.

    13. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC here as well for similar reasons.

      My parents resisted the advice to medicate, and wanted a different approach.

      I was put on the Feingold diet as a child, and it helped a lot. Or at least something around that time helped my ability to concentrate on what I was supposed to be doing. I went from lowest to highest math class in the course of a year in elementary school, and then skipped a math grade. I also spent a lot less time in the school office writing my spelling words over & over for fighting.

      Whether by placebo effect or actual sensitivity, I discovered in later years that I could get more-than-just-a-sugar-high off the brightly colored stuff. That effect has decreased with age, I'm in my mid 40s now.

      Items dyed green often taste odd and folks who eat more junk food don't seem to notice.

      I don't go out of my way to follow the diet anymore, and haven't for years, but I do have a habit of doing my own cooking and using natural ingredients.

      I design nifty hardware for phones and have a bunch of patents, and on a personal level have a wife and kids, so one could say I am fairly well adjusted now.

    14. Re:Please leave these alone by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      I have ADHD-Inattentive type - it destroys every aspect of my life and offers no benefits in return. If they had a genetic therapy available, I would take it in a heartbeat.

    15. Re:Please leave these alone by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      Like Comrade Ogilvy, I agree in a general way; ADHD does seem to tend to present itself alongside extraordinary intelligence and creativity. However, just as they didn't find one and only one ADHD gene, it's really not the same for everyone, and not everyone with ADHD is necessarily a genius. It's true then that eliminating ADHD would probably bring about a net loss for human culture and achievement. However, achieving the most from ADHD requires proper treatment that is well-suited to the particular person. There are many, many cases where a person might even have a particular genius but is so unable to focus it that it amounts to nothing. This kind of genetic study is good because it could help us to better understand which treatments work better for which persons.

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    16. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ADHD kids require movement to learn

      https://psychcentral.com/news/2015/04/20/for-kids-with-adhd-movement-enhances-learning/83703.html

      Better to fit the learning environment to them than medicate them to suit school IMO, both being diagnosed myself and with 2 children diagnosed.

      Some of the characteristics that are considered symptoms in school are rewarded in the real world. Others only show up if you let yourself get bored.

      I need to keep active and not take boring jobs. Not much of a disability really, it just made me utterly unsuitable for traditional factory schooling.

    17. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How weird that neither the Slashdot article nor the ars technica review mentioned how strong the correlation they found was. Was it accurate with 10% of the data? 80%? These things matter. Sometimes geneticists get all horny about finding hundreds of genes in some position that mean a 2% greater risk. I'd say at that point you're just trying to find meaning in random noise.

    18. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not much of a disability?
      If everyone around you has to change the standards to accomodate your limitations, it's by definition a disability. How much of one it is depends on the severity, which varies with the individual. People have usually have developed coping strategies by adulthood. For kids it's rougher and lack of appropriate treatment can hold them back from acheiving their goals. (Sustaining friendships, not flunking school, etc.) Medicine is not the whole answer, but for most, it is part of it. It makes a huge difference.

    19. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be arguing that Nurture will resolve Nature in a thread about genetically identified areas. If I read you correctly, you saying that a genetically identifiable region is the fault of capitalism? That everyone who has ADHD has loser parents; possibly even shit parents, and that society (because capitalism) does not benefit from those who have ADHD?

      You are probably right.

    20. Re:Please leave these alone by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      If humanity is to have any hope, it's going to come from the ADHD side of things. Cure all the diseases you want to, but please for the love of god, allow the natural flowering of creativity.

      Don't allow us to make drones and brainiacs - that will snuff out the species faster than any other eugenics program could.

      ADHD != "the natural flowering of creativity".

      ADHD actually gets in the way of creativity by making it difficult to focus.

    21. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a successful particle physicist turned data scientist. I've struggled with ADD all my life, but I've learned to cope with it (even to exploit it). To my great advantage, I was never diagnosed until after my son was diagnosed with it. The interventions appear to have done my son nothing but harm, but who's to say? I happily found my own path unaided, but at many junctions I could as easily have pursued my other potential career path: hobo. (As for being the Smartest Guy in the Room...no. As long as I'm in the room, that position is officially vacant.)

    22. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People with ADHD seek novelty instead of doing what they should be doing. I think of it more as an evolutionary niche. That said I'd take the gene therapy if it were available.

    23. Re: Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone around you has to change the standards to accomodate your limitations, it's by definition a disability

      What of the situation where someone is vastly smarter than everyone else to the point that everyone else's existence is made almost moot when presented with an extremely difficult problem? Is it still a "disability" because the majority is too stupid?

    24. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of like visual thinkers. Less than 1% of the population represents around 40% of geniuses. Visual thinkers tend to have certain "mental disabilities", but some definition of "disability". To many, it seems more like a different way of thinking. The problem isn't thinking differently, the problem is teaching is geared around thinking about problems a certain way and assessing one's abilities in a subject based on their ability to think the same way.

      Another issue with visual thinkers is they tend to have much higher than normal understanding but much lower than normal factual data retention. Their brains are optimized to remember in spatial, relational, and abstract, but not factual and concrete. Guess which group is better at abstract reasoning and problem solving. Guess which one does better in school.

    25. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's saying ADHD is badly managed. In my experience they just throw you in a slow class. Pocket the federal money. Give you a bunch of pills and then a few more when you get upset about your situation.
      If I woke up me 30 years ago I'd immediately tell my school guidance counselor to get CPS involved by reporting my parents physical abuse, start spitting my pills in the trash and find ways to cheat through tedious schoolwork.
      Once I was interviewed by CPS I'd tell them I think maybe my parents bribe my shrink for prescriptions and make them aware of the massive straight-off-the-label side effects he seems to not attribute to my massive dose of stimulants.

      The bribe would have been a lie but I'd need to fuck that piece of shit worse than anyone. He knew what he was doing to me and if he didn't then really he shouldn't have been practicing. Doing that shit to little kids to get money from bad parents.

    26. Re:Please leave these alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, they didn't call it "ADHD" back in the day, they called it "sit down and shut up."

      Seriously, that was all that they did for me... "sit down, be quiet, and pay attention."

      It must not have ever occurred to them that some kids require *training* in how to pay attention! :-P

  13. Re: Where's the homo gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry I cant keep up. What?

    That's your Down gene.

  14. Took long enough! by wolfheart111 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Researchers kept getting distracted :(

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  15. Asians are retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of bigotted bullshit, why is it when someone gets Down's Syndrome, they turn into an ASIAN regardless of their original race?

  16. This is all very interesting, but... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    I'll be a lot more interested if they manage to locate genes connected with nymphomania...and a simple, anonymous test to find out who has them.

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    1. Re:This is all very interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mom tests positive 5 times a night, start there.

    2. Re:This is all very interesting, but... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but then we need a data breach and a flaw that connects the carriers of those genes with their address or phone number (a picture would be nice, too).

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    3. Re:This is all very interesting, but... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I would upgrade the importance of the picture.

      Call me shallow. I won't disagree.

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  17. ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confined by Jarwulf · · Score: 3, Informative

    in a four wall box all day long doing meaningless tasks for a giant abstract system or learning to do meaningless tasks for a giant abstract system that normal healthy humans naturally want to do.

    1. Re:ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, sorry, that load of shit has nothing to do with it Failwulf. Like your apparent condition, it's a very real genetic liability that is clearly misunderstood and ineffectively treated more than not.

    2. Re:ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confined by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's like saying depression is the disease of being sad. It's not that they don't want to be confined, it's that unlike most people they can't handle it to the extent that without treatment they can't function in normal society.

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    3. Re:ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confined by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      in a four wall box all day long doing meaningless tasks for a giant abstract system or learning to do meaningless tasks for a giant abstract system that normal healthy humans naturally want to do.

      That's not what ADHD is at all. That's like calling clinical depression "being sad".

    4. Re:ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of my treatment was counterproductive I can't sit in the same room with my mom without flashbacks to the bullshit she put me through. I learned coping skills on my own and they're useful and easy to teach. Many non-ADHD professionals that I have worked with have adopted many of my techniques.
      Pomodoro timers. Flashcards. GTD.
      They more than compensate for the worst symptoms of my ADHD but that doesn't mean I never have related issues.

  18. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Funny how ADHD is really only a US thing

  19. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, ADHD is the disease of not being able to brush your fucking teeth and also figure out where you left your briefcase before you leave for work because you are too fucking distracted to focus and can't remember shit (poor working memory).

    You obviously have no intimate experience with ADHD.

  20. Only chance left for ADHD people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is to get start their own country.

    The shambling hordes are not our people, and trying to conform to their expectations of society is only going to crush us under their mindless mass if something isn't done soon.

    The opportunities to do so on this planet are dwindling rapidly, and unless something changes the opportunities 'out there' are going to be corporate controlled and return to the status quo when you are billed for every atom of oxygen you consume in order to stay alive.

    1. Re: Only chance left for ADHD people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone with brains can see that humans are being domesticated. Call it the illuminati. Call it aliens. Call it the law of I intended consequences. Whatever you call it, it's happening. Drugs to make us passive (fluoride and estrogenics come to mind) are dumped in our water supply. Politics has never been more divided. People are increasingly treated like children by the state (you can kill a man in war 3 years before you can buy a pack of squares in some states and universities have safe spaces). The PATRIOT ACT legalized mass censorship, the REAL ID act legalized a national ID system, 2014's NDAA re-up legalized propaganda, universities look as corrupt as any communist country (at least the arts an social scientists). Using genetic warfare to keep the masses dumb and docile (a la "Brave New World") is just a logical next step. That at the top fashion themselves as alphas and they've got enough. The simple fact is, those pushing the modern agendas don't give a rats ass if commoner geniuses are eradicated. Dull humans are smart enough to do whatever we're being domesticated for already.

  21. Re: by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Funny how ADHD is really only a US thing

    It's not.

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  22. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Jarwulf · · Score: 2

    Yeah thats every kid diagnosed and strung on Ritalin because their soccer mom can't handle them.

  23. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mom did a horrible job, that much is agreed. She filled you full of bullshit.

  24. How come they can't find the homosexual gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm? We know why. There ain't one.

  25. Another fake "news" story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they analyze the genetic mechanisms at work and the brain functions and understand the mechanism so that they can definitively say X causes Y by mechanism Z --- OR --- did they do another corollation-causation statistical study?

    Yup. Just another logical fallacy reported as a scientific breakthrough; these "researchers" (who did no actual research) learned nothing new about brains or genetics, they just lined-up to things (genes and a condition).

    Everybody who has eaten chocolate chip cookies has either already died or will certainly die. WOW! New study shows that chocolate chip cookies KILL!!!!!!

  26. correlations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like they discovered a handful of important human genotype locations and nothing else...

  27. Absolutely laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no such thing as 'ADHD'. You might as well make up a magical term for 'people who don't like onions' and label that as a 'disorder', and then treat it with drugs.
    The school system is a massive waste of time - any idiot can see that. Children who start off stupid when they are five in school, end up STILL stupid when they leave at sixteen. I have never seen ANY child improve in any way, in terms of intelligence, in school, while I was there. The thick kids stayed thick, caused trouble, and were generally assholes, and the intelligent kids stayed intelligent, (in spite of the presence of the aforementioned thick kids).
    ADHD means "not wanting to be forced to sit still and read a load of boring crap that you are going to forget within a week and will NEVER need to know ever again in your life". It's a MADE UP 'illness'. Only idiots believe it exists.

    1. Re:Absolutely laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as 'ADHD'. You might as well make up a magical term for 'people who don't like onions' and label that as a 'disorder', and then treat it with drugs.

      It's called alliumphobia. There's not really anything magic about it- I think you misunderstand either magic or phobias.

      The school system is a massive waste of time - any idiot can see that. Children who start off stupid when they are five in school, end up STILL stupid when they leave at sixteen. I have never seen ANY child improve in any way, in terms of intelligence, in school, while I was there. The thick kids stayed thick, caused trouble, and were generally assholes, and the intelligent kids stayed intelligent, (in spite of the presence of the aforementioned thick kids).
      ADHD means "not wanting to be forced to sit still and read a load of boring crap that you are going to forget within a week and will NEVER need to know ever again in your life". It's a MADE UP 'illness'. Only idiots believe it exists.

      So you went to a crappy school (as is obvious from your post). Of course stupid kids are still stupid, the hope is they'll be more knowledgeable. Good schools actually manage to do this. I don't know why you think that schools can make dumb people smart (unless it's magic again), I also don't know why you don't know that schools are supposed to educate to the student's ability. Your interpretation of ADHD is similar to saying there's no such thing as paralysis, it's "just people who don't want to walk".

  28. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    parent: "strung on Ritalin because their soccer mom can't handle them."

    You misspelled frigid divorced single soccer mom whose hysteria is driven by the fact that she can't get her nut off even with the aid of a 15 amp industrial vibrator".

  29. ADHD what is it ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have explained what ADHD means.
    In France there's no market (=medicine) for Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder so we're not familiar with this acronym.

    1. Re:ADHD what is it ? by mikael · · Score: 1

      France doesn't allow junk food, processed meat, soft drinks in their schools. Parents volunteer to help out at the school.

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  30. ah yes, the link by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Yes, shitty parenting that results in insufficient training in self-discipline does tend to be genetic, since they're genetically related to their kids. Very few people have actual ADHD compared to the sheer number with behavioral issues and impulse control.

    1. Re:ah yes, the link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does the lack of fathers, which is more immediately genetic. The kids are missing rough and tumble play, there's no dad, and the flood of "empowered" single mothers are leading them to "feel more in touch with themselves". They don't need to be more in touch with themselves, touching themselves all the time is what got them sent home for a diagnosis in the first place.

    2. Re:ah yes, the link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not surprising, 'shitty parenting' is probably partially controlled by things like bonding hormones , and political ideologies, which have also been shown to overlap with some characteristics of personality , which is again partially genetic. The idea that genetic correlation is the same as genetic cause has really needs to be drummed out of the public group think, put the homosexual lobby will not allow such a thing at the moment because it is politically expedient to them.

  31. Amphetamine addicion gene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume it's the same genes for Ritalin and amphetamine addiction? My wife recently managed to get diagnosed ADHD, over my objections and concerns about her primary "never took a course in its life" so-called "psychotherapist" who explained exactly how to scam the psychiatrist.

  32. Text correction by sabbede · · Score: 1

    ADHD is a learning disorder. Thus, the last sentence should read, " including speech and other learning disabilities, depression, and schizophrenia."

    1. Re: Text correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, ADHD is not a learning disorder per se.
      It has an impact on learning, but its effects go beyond learning.

    2. Re:Text correction by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      You'll find ADHD-negative people have a learning disorder compared to ADHD-positive people when the subject matter is of interest.

    3. Re:Text correction by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Mmmm hyper-focus. A few cycles of mind wandering and hyper-focus can get someone with ADHD well ahead of the game when it comes to topics of interest. Make everyone else look like they're mentally retarded. The "hyper" in this case refers to the impatiences of the ADHD person having to wait for everyone else.

    4. Re:Text correction by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      It worked great for me in Math and Physics because I like those. I'd read ahead while everyone else was learning the lesson because I couldn't stand the pacing. And because those subjects are cumulative, I'd be reading in order. It worked against me in History because I'd read the interesting parts, but I've never been in a class that covered the whole textbook, so I'd often read things that never made it into class and I really couldn't give a fuck the specific date something happened.

    5. Re:Text correction by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's still considered a learning disorder. One I also have.

    6. Re:Text correction by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      And America is considered a democracy or a republic, despite the fact it is clearly an oligarchy. Likewise, faith is not considered insanity. On Slashdot, pedantry is a virtue (as it really should be everywhere else). Dogma is a sin. Hence my correction of your "correction".

  33. ADHD knowitalls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone loves to knock ADHD because so many doctors use it as a catch-all and overdiagnose it. It is pretty poorly defined. But if you meet somebody who *really* has it you see it is debilitating. There are adults who pee their pants on tbe way to the bathroom because they get distracted along the way. Or who can't get to school or work on time because they put on one shoe then get distracted and forget to put on the other. Who don't eat well because they stare for hours at any screen they pass. Some off them look like they have Parkinsons disease because they can't stop moving.

  34. Epigenetics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why has there an ADHD epidemic?

    My feeling is this will turn out to be epigenetics at work, the genes have existed for a long time, but environmental factors are bring them into expression, in my day we went out, we tired ourselves out, today suffers all seem to be locked in all day playing computer games by concerned parents

    1. Re:Epigenetics? by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe we're just lately treating people who think a little bit different as having a "disorder".

      Odd & quirky people have always existed. It's only lately that it's fashionable to throw labels and pills at them to get them to act like boring people.

  35. Re:Though Experiment J6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! Can we just have our transporter plates already?

  36. ADHD is an ASSET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DO NOT rob your child of what makes them special. ADHD is an asset, not a defect. I hold a key position at a Fortune 500 company, and could not do my job if I did not have ADHD.

    1. Re: ADHD is an ASSET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep telling yourself that. Seriously, if it makes you feel better.

    2. Re: ADHD is an ASSET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ADHD fosters novel thinking. Your mind is constantly swimming in a sea of disjoint thoughts. Like an OS with a specialty scheduling algorithm that just doesn't work well for human mental workloads in 2018. But you can cope with the symptoms and pocket the benefits.
      The chances of encountering someone who can help you address your concentration issues as a young person with ADHD are extremely slim. On top of that you're going to have a parent with untreated ADHD of their own so instead of observing your symptoms and formulating plans to deal with them they'll shove pills down your throat so they have one less chaotic influence in their own disorganized life. In my case my parents also hard a hard time telling the difference between whopping doses of stimulants and ADHD.
      Growing up was hell but ADHD isn't all bad. That said I'd take gene therapy if it were available.

    3. Re: ADHD is an ASSET by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Depends on what they mean by "ADHD". "ADHD" is many times used as a catch-all for both ADHD and ADD. I have ADD and I definitely could not do what I do without it. I took medication for several months and what I found is while my focus was greatly improved, my ability to creatively solve problems was destroyed while on it. I brought this up to my doctor and he said that a common complaint and actually recommended not taking medication unless I really needed to. He said it is common for people with ADD to have some form of extreme mental compensation, like the ability to hyper-focus when interested. He highly recommended learning to cope and practice using the strengths gained to compensate for the weaknesses.

      I've been learning to cope with ADD for many decades now. I find my best work is when I let my mind wander, which ADD is great at doing. I've learned to mostly be able to direct the wandering. I assume it's the dopamine rush of solving extremely difficult novel problems that no one else seems to be able to, that helps with directing.

  37. Fake News by segedunum · · Score: 1, Informative

    'ADHD' is not a verifiable condition in any way shape or form.

    1. Re:Fake News by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Fake News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the Rockefeller created CDC. You know the one that owns patents on the ebola virus whenever they want to spread it to us every few years. That and other nasties.

      I suppose you have no idea how private banking families totally manipulated "medicine" and what constitutes "conditions" and "dis ease" (not being at ease). That's that's why there's no public cures for any "dis eases". It's all be shrouded in bribes and profits. Doctors are merely prescription writers for treatments that cause worse side effects than the effects. This is all by design of course.

      I'd suggest citing a less biased non-lethal source. Perhaps you would be more credible?

  38. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, society is fine with ADHD. School isn't. The "symptom" of not sitting still all day is often highly rewarded in the workplace.

  39. From someone with ADHD by burningcpu · · Score: 1

    Fuck you, die in a fire.

    1. Re:From someone with ADHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a completely rational response to a statement. Congratulations.

  40. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A stack of flashcards has made my memory better than most normal people. It's all about identifying your issues and handling them.

  41. What? Were you saying something? by Chas · · Score: 1

    Dammit! Stop interrupting me!

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  42. Champions of the Random Access Era by SinGunner · · Score: 1

    In this new era, ADHD is really coming into its own. It forces you to learn to process/simplify data faster, encourages the creation of external systems of organization and enables hyper-focus on areas of interest. These areas of interest may seem tangential at times, but relativity is the law of reality. Or as Dirk Gently might put it, the fundamental interconnectedness of all things.

  43. Can we CRISPR it out of us then? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    They can do that kind of stuff now yeah?

    1. Re:Can we CRISPR it out of us then? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Can we CRISPR it out of us then? They can do that kind of stuff now yeah?

      Yes. And that's probably a bad idea. When a condition is so widespread in a species, there's a very good chance it's a species survival trait. Especially something that in an advanced form appears to be anti-survival. Heavily ADHD people have problems relating to people and so have problems reproducing. If the traits of ADHD are so important that an exaggeration of them is anti-survival, yet they're still present, they must matter quite a lot.

  44. I have the Exact Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the opposite, I am a normal person, based on nothing every happens to me, I get stuff done slower than others, I am intelligent, but think too deep about stuff.
    But I would like to be more hyper and have my brain think faster and be less agreeable with people.
    I guess I can take Speed, but I don't do drugs.
    So how can I speed up my thinking and doing of stuff, be a little more ADD.

  45. Re: ADHD, the disease of not wanting to be confine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Often the parents have entirely undiagnosed, unmanaged ADHD so unless they consider their kid to be the most interesting part of their lives they're not going to give their kid any kind of direction. So their home lives will be unstructured, never time to do homework, never time to clean, never time to go to bed, brush your teeth. Instead they'll just nag their kids to do things as the thoughts pop into their heads. Stop doing what you're doing and do homework, clean the living room, forgot about brushing teeth tonight.. oh well. That's bad for kids and probably worse for kids with ADHD.
    On a longer timeline they think about life milestones like retiring or sending their kids to college like they're sure things. All while they'll spend their money on stupid shit and accept that the sped teachers give the entire class work several grades below where their child tests.

    All this happened to me and I was lucky enough that I liked learning on my own so I was able to do ok in college and get a STEM degree but it doesn't have to be so bad. I have a Chinese relative who was diagnosed and they sent him to a school to learn coping mechanisms. Apparently it wasn't even an unpleasant place. Then they put him back in regular classes and he went on to do very well academically.