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Facebook Employees Are Calling Former Colleagues To Look For Jobs Outside the Company and Asking About the Best Way To Leave (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Six former Facebook employees who left the company within the last two years told CNBC they've experienced a rise in contact from current company employees to inquire about opportunities or ask for job references. [...] The shift could be an early warning of recruiting and retention challenges for Facebook after a turbulent year. In 2018, the company has faced public questioning at multiple congressional hearings, scandals around third-party abuse of user data and public relations practicesand flat or declining user growth in key markets. It's also seen its stock drop nearly 40 percent from July. The stories from former employees are only anecdotal at this point, and there's no firm data showing a significant uptick in departures or employee dissatisfaction.

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  1. Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't use it and neither should anybody else.

    1. Re:Facebook by kalieaire · · Score: 1

      why shouldn't I?

    2. Re: Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Especially since the founder literally said that people that use his own creation are "idiots." Considering they still use it, I guess it makes sense.

      I believe you mean "dumb fucks" and not idiots.

      https://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks

    3. Re: Facebook by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Of all the stupid trolling comments being amplified on a day-to-day basis, this one I approve of. More people need to be reminded of this daily.

    4. Re:Facebook by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      Remember that time their app got caught accidentally ignoring key privacy settings?

      Consider the possibility that wasn't an accident.

    5. Re:Facebook by kalieaire · · Score: 1

      yeah, i'm fine w/ that

    6. Re:Facebook by kalieaire · · Score: 1

      or maybe you could try managing a product as large as facebook. lol.

    7. Re:Facebook by Miser · · Score: 3

      Agreed. The only winning move is not to play.

      Never had a Facebook account, never will.

      I am interested however in what kind of "shadow" data they have on me. I wonder if there is a way to request that?

  2. Wow that was short-lived by BringsApples · · Score: 2
    I mean the summary, not FaceBook itself. It starts out

    Facebook Employees Are Calling Former Colleagues To Look For Jobs Outside the Company and Asking About the Best Way To Leave

    and in 4 sentences, lands on

    The stories from former employees are only anecdotal at this point, and there's no firm data showing a significant uptick in departures or employee dissatisfaction.

    These are TFAs that no one will read.

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    1. Re:Wow that was short-lived by tsa · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Non-news at its best. And still here we are, commenting. We do have better things to do.

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  3. Reminds me of Mobil Oil ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... in Dallas at the building with the Pegasus.

    Back in the 90s there were rumours of pending layoffs in IT (didn't happen until 1.5 years later) and the best coders, on lunch break, walked across the street to Kodak; got hired on the spot and left with one day notice.

    It was a fucking mess. I was a new hire in 1986 and could not pick up the slack from those who left.

    I did continue to have coffee with the blokes and asked them how it was going.

    Their reaction was that it didn't matter if the goddam mainframe supported a credit union, bank, hospital, film processor or the fucking oil patch.

    Computers are computers. Data specific to the use case was not a big deal.

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    1. Re:Reminds me of Mobil Oil ... by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      Moving from Mobil Oil to Kodak? What an incredibly prescient decision! I mean, considering their stock prices over time and all.

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    2. Re:Reminds me of Mobil Oil ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Ironically, Kodak was the frog in the boiling water. They went under.

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    3. Re:Reminds me of Mobil Oil ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      -- Wernher von Braun

      Give credit, you insensitive clod.

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  4. Got social media on your resume? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Expect to find ads for work to push ads.
    On how to report users.
    Got shadow ban skills?
    Can offer advanced censorship?

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    1. Re:Got social media on your resume? by kalieaire · · Score: 2

      Most ad work these days include a major component of statistical data analysis in the context of business intelligence which is highly sought after.  The funny thing is that the actual experts are the folks who are working as contractors at Facebook (FB), these are the folks are usually the types looking for new jobs.  It's really interesting regarding the dynamic between Full Time Employees (FTE) and contractors.  A lot of the FTEs at FB managing their contractors don't have a good grasp of what the actual work is.  Another issue causing a clash between FTEs and Contractors is age and experience gap.  Mid 20s FTEs with no management background told to handle a large group of contractors, their only qualification is that they're an FTE. lol.

      It's a complete mess. A complete flaming mess.

      Thankfully I have popcorn. :)

  5. Re:Stock almost halving didn't help by kalieaire · · Score: 1

    I bought it at 18.

  6. Rule of thumb by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every mass exodus starts with the most qualified, most valuable employees, and continues to the lesser and lesser qualified ones. It takes the most qualified people less time to find another job! Eventually, all that are left are the incompetents... Yahoo!

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    1. Re:Rule of thumb by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      Now all that's left to assure Facebook's downfall is for me to start speculating in their stock. As soon as that transaction clears it will surely tank.

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    2. Re:Rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please speculate immediately.

  7. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The "best way to leave" is to leave. This really isn't difficult.

    Unless, of course, you've built a lifestyle that depends on suckling on the Privacy-Destroying Big Intrusive Adware teat and desperately need someone else to overpay you to keep yourself in unnecessary Amazon Prime purchases. But nobody in the tech industry would be that naive.

  8. stock manupulation? by kiviQr · · Score: 1

    How else you call creating a national story based on infromation from 6 employees? Did they even pick them at random? Who did benefit from running this story?

  9. Re:Stock almost halving didn't help by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, Zuckerberg is your idea of a leftist? His business philosophy is move so fast you outpace any problems you create. That's practically the left's stereotype of what's wrong with laissez-faire capitalism.

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  10. Re: Facebook needs to die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I always find it funny when people on here bitch about other social outlets. It's like some of you think the poo here smells of roses.

  11. Re:Stock almost halving didn't help by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Even that part you're mistaken about, because it's simply a facade.

  12. Guess What FB employees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I won't hire you because of your non existent ethics. You've stabbed an entire country in the back, and you think I ought to trust you?

  13. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by Narcocide · · Score: 4

    There is just nothing else out there for making discussion groups, pages, or creating events.

    It's really sad that you think this is true. But I'm even more sad that I know this is a common opinion.

  14. Re: Facebook needs to die by kalieaire · · Score: 1

    Totally correct.  The thing is that facebook doesn't run on wishes and dreams.

    Software development and Network infrastructure isn't free and is exceptionally costly.

    Unless the software writes itself and the internet can support itself, a viable alternative will never appear.

  15. This is news? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Everytime I left a job I'd get 3-4 co-workers asking me how I liked it, how much I made, was I happier, etc etc etc.

    Everytime a co-worker left I'd drop them an email asking how they liked it, how much they made, were they happier, etc etc etc.

    1. Re:This is news? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Commenting to undo fat finger mod...

      Yeah... nothing new here.

  16. Not everyone wants "broken" software by drnb · · Score: 1

    Computers are computers. Data specific to the use case was not a big deal.

    Yes, but those two companies likely had similar development cultures. For example neither probably advocated moving so fast and testing so little that buggy ("broken") software was produced yet *tolerated*.

    Many of these facebook employees searching for jobs may now find their utility to potential employers is less than that of an inexperienced recent grad. That their "move fast and break things" experience is considered detrimental and they have to be re-trained.

    1. Re:Not everyone wants "broken" software by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The pathway among the top producers is well-lubricated.

      They are all social media, VR, AI, blockchain, cloud, home assistants, and data whores.

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    2. Re:Not everyone wants "broken" software by jrjarrett · · Score: 1

      Yes, but those two companies likely had similar development cultures. For example neither probably advocated moving so fast and testing so little that buggy ("broken") software was produced yet *tolerated*.

      Oh, I worked at Kodak in the late '80s in backoffice stuff. That code was SO old and ravaged by the hordes of Mongol raiders of age that had been thru it, there were constant bugs to fix. I bet those Mobil employees had no trouble at Kodak.

  17. Evidence To The Contrary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My company recently ripped apart their UX team. Highly qualified and productive team, but the execs decided to shift directions. Several of those people landed at Facebook. They've reported that they are engaged in meaningful and challenging work, and a great overall work environment. So count me in with the doubters here.

  18. Don't make that call by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    near one of the open mic collection devices.
    The ad company is always listening.

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  19. learn your lesson, Zuckerberg by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    As an influencer you may no longer concern yourself solely with greed. You've already demonstrated capacity to manipulate your users. The control we exercise through mass media is slipping, and it is imperative that this situation is corrected.

    Therefore you must demonstrate a willingness to become a full partner, and faithfully exercise the responsibilities this requires. You will join the ranks of Alphabet and Twitter in serving this important purpose. If you do not, these attacks will continue, and have even greater consequences util you are forced out and replaced. Or worse.

    You must comply.

  20. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Not everyone uses Mobil Oil ...

    No one uses them. Exxon bought them out.

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  21. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    Everyone uses Facebook, one way or another.

    No, we don't. I have never had a Facebook account, I never plan to have one and I never visit their site. On rare occasions I will get emails from a friend passing on something from there that I may need to know, but that's as close as I'm willing to get. Just because you can't imagine life without Facebook, doesn't mean that there aren't millions of us out there happily ignoring it and laughing at all you sheep.

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  22. Re: Facebook needs to die by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    "before it was purposely destroyed by spam"

    I've often wondered who bankrolls the spam epidemic. It's obviously not self-sustaining, let alone profitable - yet it continues unabated.

  23. Re: Facebook needs to die by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

    Spam exists because it is profitable for someone. Basically costs are externalized. The spammer pays almost nothing and the customer, if only a few hundred of the thousands or millions of spam emails garner a sucker from whom you can extort money, wins.

    Never believe that people don't still fall for the Nigerian Prince scam. Idiot talk shows are full of people who have, many of whom still refuse to believe they've been taken.

    You can never underestimate the intelligence of the intelligence of some people.

  24. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

    Guess you missed that article about how Facebook gathers data about people who aren't on Facebook (shadow profiles). Keep telling us how you don't use Facebook.

  25. wow at least 6...... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    wow at least 6 former employees told CNB........ of the 34,000 employees at facebook.... It's not very uncommon for people to ask others to keep a look out. This isn't any news, this is just media exaggerating something that really isn't a thing.

  26. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never said that the don't have any info on me,just that I have nothing to do with their site and never visit it.

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  27. Isn't high employee turnover normal for Facebook? by gotan · · Score: 1

    I.e. it might be not about bad working conditions, or that something changed that makes more people want to leave, but that people go to Facebook, gain a few years of experience and then maybe launch a business on their own or with a few others or else switch to a somewhat more specialized posting.

    I read an interview where someone stated that about google, that for most it's a goal to get there, but after a few years a stepping stone elsewhere.

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  28. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    There is just nothing else out there for making discussion groups, pages, or creating events.

    That is something idiots say and believe.

    At my current employer, putting official events on third-party services is grounds for disciplinary action.

    There are plenty of options for internal use depending on your needs for customization, support, and pricing.

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  29. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by jwdb · · Score: 1

    Not everyone uses Mobil Oil though. Everyone uses Facebook, one way or another. In fact, one of my last job interviews had it as a requirement for employment.

    There is just nothing else out there for making discussion groups, pages, or creating events.

    You're dating yourself.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/te...

    Gist of that article is that teenagers have moved on from Facebook for event planning, since everybody and their mother is on there and can see (and interfere with) what they're planning. Instagram's the way now, and I'm sure in 5 years it'll again be something else.

  30. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    SCHOOL IS IN SESSION

    I'm in Southeast Texas, where there are more fucking oil refineries than Carter's got little liver pills.

    I worked at Texaco down in Port Arthur, starting out in the canning factory. We offloaded boxcars full of, new cans for the conveyor belt leading up to the oil injectors.

    The cans were labeled, Havoline, mostly, but we also got cans branded, "Philco," "Caltex," and languages I don't understand.

    Exxon cans a shitload brands of oil. Mobil is one of them, but it's just a different paint job. I retired from Mobil Oil just before it was bought out.

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  31. Re:Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    When different-branded cans were filled by the same goddam oil injectors, just where did the extra molecules come from?

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  32. Re: Not everyone uses Mobil Oil... by jwdb · · Score: 1

    Facebook owns Instsgram.

    Yes, but Facebook != Instagram.